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Who would be the axis and the allies? i think theres a few of these already, but, its time to revive it then.

Europe + USA + Japan VS China + Russia + Iran + South America

USA vs. EU + Russia vs. China

Dr. Evil and China Vs. everyone else :)

I would say USA and England and Australia (plus a few others) vs. China, N. Korea, Iran, and other extremist states with contintntal Europe, Canada, and the 3rd world neutral.

USA + EU vs. The United States of LOVE! :D

This is fun!

I'm betting the EU, Russia, China, and the US would form seperate power blocks. The Arab league, maybe ECOWAS, S. Africa, some federation of S. American states... the other powers could be more interesting. Honestly, Axis and Allies isn't dynamic enough, Diplomacy is much more fun. (An example game map (http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9310/globaldiplomacy8jw.jpg))

World War 3 wouldn't be bipolar. It would look something like this, I reckon:

Israel, India and the US VS Pakistan, a Unified Korea (South occupied by North) & a consortium of Muslim nations VS China, Russia and Mainland Europe.

It lasts all of 5 minutes and mutually assures the destruction of everything with the exception of the Jerusalem temple. The few remaining US christian fundamentalists start kicking themselves at that one.

The UK, meanwhile, would be in a state of religious conflict as the Marxists, Muslims and Methodists all try to wipe each other out. Most of us move to Ireland, where we all just get wasted instead.

Canada will become a haven for those seeking refuge and will change to have a national religion of Buddhism. It will shortly achieve enlightenment and the whole nation ascends to Godhood.

South America returns to the rainforests, which without McDonalds annihilating finally start to make a comeback. The entire population of Brazil is uploaded onto the internet, where they and the Filipino-s swiftly dominate everything digital.

Most of the conglomerates from the West set up their main base of operations in Africa. They pay the dictators to go away, and a swarm of centuries of oppression leads the Africans to hold an armed revolution. Coca-cola is now owned by Africans, as are several sports manufacturers. They make a living by trading with the Australians, who never notice anything having happened in the first place.

Finally, a Norwegian scientist proves that One is Two; Two, One. With that realisation, the world collapses in on itself, leaving the Australians again, who're more or less unaffected.

Canada Vs. The World

BRING IT ON!!

Canada Vs. The World

BRING IT ON!!
Oh, something like Fortress America, only Fortress Canada? :p

In entirely depends on what causes the war.

uhm...i agreee with post number 8.

i also say that australia wouldnt take any part in it.

uhm...

yea.

thats what i say.

Hidden Hands VS. your feeble countries of the world :sniper:

o yea. i agree with number 11 too.
like...if one country shot somebody from another country-like that one other world war- then...that might mix up the axis and allied teams too.
uhm...
ok.
yep.

I'm betting the EU, Russia, China, and the US would form seperate power blocks. The Arab league, maybe ECOWAS, S. Africa, some federation of S. American states... the other powers could be more interesting. Honestly, Axis and Allies isn't dynamic enough, Diplomacy is much more fun. (An example game map (http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9310/globaldiplomacy8jw.jpg))

I didn't even know they HAD global diplomacy. I've played the pre-WWI one a couple of times, it's definitely my favorite board game.

I didn't even know they HAD global diplomacy. I've played the pre-WWI one a couple of times, it's definitely my favorite board game.They don't. It's my design.

earth vs. the flying saucers

I'm betting the EU, Russia, China, and the US would form seperate power blocks. The Arab league, maybe ECOWAS, S. Africa, some federation of S. American states... the other powers could be more interesting. Honestly, Axis and Allies isn't dynamic enough, Diplomacy is much more fun. (An example game map (http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9310/globaldiplomacy8jw.jpg))


That is similar to what I was thinking.

We would have the USA (and possibly Austrialia), China, the EU, and a greater Persian empire (formed when Shitte controlled Iraq merges with Iran).

Major warzones would be pakistan and india, Turkey, Israel, North Africa, Korea and Japan, Russia, and the eastern Altantic ocean.

USA vs. EU.

The ever increasing anti-American, Anti Europe, garbage spewed by their goverments finally explodes into all out war between Europe and the USA, after they have weakened each other, the barbarians (jihadists) invade and plunder the western world after sucessfully turning once allies against each other in a classic divide and conquer move, all of Europe becomes greater eurabia, America unable to fight anymore falls apart due to internal civil wars and can no longer can take part in global events. Russia under constant attacks from muslim terrorists (rebels if your an idiot) becomes a facist police state. China unchecked rolls over Tawain, Korea, Japan, and takes Eastern Russia, border clashes between China and India become commonplace.

Africa stays the same, a dictatorial shithole, but millions starve with the loss of their global welfare that was handed to them via the now defunct UN. The Aussies become super isolationist, Canada forms a communist state and begins to take portions of the United States under a guise of "peacekeeping".
Mexico tries invasions of the Southern US, but are pushed back repeatedly and gives up settling on taking central america. South America remains largely unchanged, though Colombia collaspes as their american market no longer exists because the United States's people no longer have a stable currency to throw around, and getting around the many nation states now becomes problematic to the point of impossible.

The international space station no longer serviced or supplied, the 2 spacemen up there are forgotten about with nobody willing or wanting to pay for their rescue they eventually perish, the station loses orbit some years later and burns up in the atmosphere.

The Illuminati VS The World

No...you bring it on! BITCH!

USA vs. EU.

The ever increasing anti-American, Anti Europe, garbage spewed by their goverments finally explodes into all out war between Europe and the USA, after they have weakened each other, the barbarians (jihadists) invade and plunder the western world after sucessfully turning once allies against each other in a classic divide and conquer move, all of Europe becomes greater eurabia, America unable to fight anymore falls apart due to internal civil wars and can no longer can take part in global events. Russia under constant attacks from muslim terrorists (rebels if your an idiot) becomes a facist police state. China unchecked rolls over Tawain, Korea, Japan, and takes Eastern Russia, border clashes between China and India become commonplace.

Africa stays the same, a dictatorial shithole, but millions starve with the loss of their global welfare that was handed to them via the now defunct UN. The Aussies become super isolationist, Canada forms a communist state and begins to take portions of the United States under a guise of "peacekeeping".
Mexico tries invasions of the Southern US, but are pushed back repeatedly and gives up settling on taking central america. South America remains largely unchanged, though Colombia collaspes as their american market no longer exists because the United States's people no longer have a stable currency to throw around, and getting around the many nation states now becomes problematic to the point of impossible.

The international space station no longer serviced or supplied, the 2 spacemen up there are forgotten about with nobody willing or wanting to pay for their rescue they eventually perish, the station loses orbit some years later and burns up in the atmosphere.

You must like Michael Savage. :)

You forgot the part where China invades the US and makes us into a slave nation. With the industrial capabilities that we have given them, they will build an unbeatable war machine, roll in, and crush the remains of our country.

Even now, the industry that we had during WWII (the one that allowed us to fight a war on two fronts AND arm our allies) is all but gone. It's preaty sad.

Clearly, the battle lines for WW III will be as follows:

Canada+France Vs. Denmark+Britain

Sweden might side with the Danes. USA would not be allowed to participate.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=435338

To be honest...I don't think the majority of the British population would be too rough and ready to jump into a WW3 along with America - especially if Blair was leading it with his 'assurances' that he was working for our common good, and especially now we have been attacked on our soil.

The next WW is going to be caused by the US threatening N Korea to step down the nuclear program, and then doing something to wake that 'sleeping giant' known as China...

The UK probably wouldn't join in straight away, and would try and stay neutral - but would get drafted in at some point (after all US military personnel had been expelled from UK soil).

France and Germany would no doubt stay neutral as long as we did and, if we've got rid of our friend Jacques, they might be inclined to help out once we (UK) get involved.

No - WW3 is deffo going to involve China and N Korea forming some sort of Eastern Coalition...

And if we listen to Star Trek First Contact (yes - that tome of wisdom ^^ ) -

"According to our astrometric readings we are in the mid 21st century. From the radioactive isotopes present in the atmosphere it appears we have arrived aproxemently ten years after the 3rd world war"-Data

"Makes sense. Most of the Major Cities have been destroyed, very few Goverments left. 600 Million dead. No resistence."-Riker.

For at LEAST the next 10 years:

There's no way any of the 1st world nations would even CONSIDER fighting each other, and not most of the 2nd, either. Simply put, the US, EU, Australia, Canada, Russia, Japan, New Zealand, Europe, South America... none of them would gain ANYTHING by fighting any of the others.
No sub-saharan African country is a threat to non-sub-saharan-African country.

The only way a World War *could* break out would be:
A) China gets involved in a North Korean incident against a 3rd party or
B) A very, very charismatic Middle Eastern leader somehow unites the Arabic world in Jihad.

Odds? I'll give 1:1000 and 1:10000 respectively.

I dunno - I can quite easily see the N Korea/China/USA situation happening

china and USA vs Europe and India.

Arabs wait to feast on the weak winner

Most likely it would start in Korea, so the two koreas would be put against each other. United states would join SoKo, along with Taiwan. That will put China in NoKo's side, then everything dominos after that. Most likely Iran would join NoKo, wich would bring the rest of the Arab World against US. Canada and Mexico are definately joining the US. It's going to be very destructive for sure.

Pfft, please. By 2052, Japan will have an unbeatable army of mecha, and will dominate the planet. :D

it's gonna be like.. way more than 2 sides... probably america and britain on one team.. possibly with help from germany and a couple other continental europeon nations... vs... china with north korea and iran and a couple other funamentalists... i think russia would have an "agreement" with china, and they would attack the former USSR republics to once again gain hegemony in eastern europe, so thus the rest of europe would awake and form an independent union fighting russia... and they could be aligned with the us and britain.... african nations will all fight amongst themselves, and there will be horrific casualties there.. lots of disease, genocide, and other things like that....

and then of course, independent terrorist organizations will be bombing everywhere... israel will most likely go to war with all its neighbors... india and pakistan will fight, although i'm not sure which one will be the "good guys"

anyway, it'll be a horrific war. nuclear weapons will MOST likely be used, meaning life as we know it will be wiped out.

Canada Vs. The World

BRING IT ON!!

with broken down seakings, leaky subs, and canoes with machines guns. That would be interesting.

News flash!

World War III ended when the Soviet Union collapsed. Now we are already in World War IV. World War V will be against Red China - and again, more likely it will be similar to WWIII rather than WWII.

EU+RUS+CHINA+MIDDLE EAST vs. USA+ENGLAND

I will pretend the U.S. has cut a deal with China.

The U.S. has "convinced" Taiwan to reunify, and in return, China will stab North Korea in the back, and invade where they have no forces to counter. Once NoKo tries to reorient, the U.S. bombs their military infastructure back to the stone age, and Korea is reunified under the SoKo government.

Russia and Japan, however, won't like this one bit.

Japan won't like the economic prospect of a unified Korea, nor the addition of Taiwans economy to the PRC. Japan will take steps to rearm.

Russia will certainly not be comfortable about the fact that they border China. China's military exists primarily for two reasons...self defense, and the eventual reintegration of Taiwan. When Taiwan is regained, the PRC has three options for eventual military operations.

1. Go over the largest mountain range in the world into India (yeah, right)
2. Fight a protracted war in the jungles of SE Asia (Worked good for the U.S.)
3. Take over a bunch of underdeveloped former Soviet reupblics on the steppes of central Asia. (hmmmm...)

So Russia and Japan will align, against China and the U.S. Japan will likely try to use submarine warfare to keep the U.S. off of mainland Asia, while China and Russia duke it out. Russia won't last long, and will make a plea to the EU (who have remained neutral), or else threaten to go nuclear.

The EU will not attack China, but instead convince Canada to allow the covert movement of EU forces into that nation. With U.S. attention on the new Japan war, the EU forces build up to sufficient strength, and drive down through the great plains, capturing the majority of the U.S. land based nuclear missiles.

Russia, meanwhile, using scorched earth tactics, will have finally succeeded in slowing the Chinese advance. The U.S., meanwhile, will offer full debt relief to Latin America in exchange for military assistance. EU and American (all American...cept Canada :p ) forces duke it out in Texas, which becomes a wasteland.

Russia, meanwhile, has made overtures to India, promising territory for assistance in cutting off Chinese forces. India, however, chooses an alternate plan, to avoid having to go through Pakistan, and thus igniting nuclear conflict. India invades SE Asia, and with a direct threat to their borders, Chinese forces begin to pull back.

The American (again, all American) forces have managed to drive the EU back into Canada. The Islamic nations, seeing an opportunity, begin piecemeal attacks on Europe in a grab for power. The EU is forced to withdrawl, and the American forces occupy Canada.

Japan is increasingly bombed by U.S. airpower, and isolated by a full blockade (assisted by Austraila) and eventually sues for peace.

Russia is satisfied with driving China from it's territory. China and India become enmeshed in a long-term conflict in SE Asia.

The EU manages to drive the Islamic forces from southern Europe with little difficulty.

Canada is reorganized, and is largely politically contolled by the U.S. The U.S., however, tightens it's borders, and offers relocation of immigrants to Canada.

Oh...Africa never got involved, and the Israel threatened the use of Nukes as soon as the Islamic nations started up, so nothing major happened there.

To sum up

U.S/China/Latin America (along with independant Islamic action) vs. Japan/Russia/India/EU

Everything ends up pretty much the same as before aside from India vs. China in SE Asia...and Canada. :p

Completely ridiculous, I know...damn that was fun. :D

Well seriously, in this day and age no post industrial country could see any material gain from going to war with another country. The few biggest threats are:

The Tiwan Situation

The 3rd world - somehow rises up in anger. Of course going to war with a OPEC nation for a 3rd would country would be idiotic

China - They might become head strong and see a need for territorial growth, though i see this as increasingly unlikely as they have formed a symbiotic relationship with many OPEC nations and have become much more open to the western world then they were.

North Korea - They might have some nukes, people understate the effort involved in makeing fissionable weaponsgrade uranium, but they are starving and dyeing a slow painful death as a nation, simply look at the "World at Night" map and look at where democratic S.K. is (blinding light) and N.K. (total darkness). So if they managed to get some damage done before they died, the western world would simply rise up and crush them in a few days.

New Zealand - Im australian, and i get the feeling that they are the silent type who might be cooking up something big.

But in all truth the western world is so developed that the only way for them to get any better is through a symbiotic relationship, so i must stress war between OPEC and most democratic nations is idiotic. war between non OPEC nations happen all the time, but they are on a small scale.

So, if we are going to do this it would be

The OPEC Nations: Namely the US and EU who would like to protect what they have going.

Australia
Austria
Belgium
Canada
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Iceland
Italy
Japan
Luxembourg
Mexico
New Zealand
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Slovakia
South Korea
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Turkey
Czech Republic
Netherlands
Republic of Ireland
United Kingdom
United States
plus India.

VS

North Korea
China (i was upset by placeing it here)
Middle Eastern States
Indonesia (they are a democracy, but their geography and socio-economics make me thing they might try to take a bite out of us down here in Australia if something big happened)

NEUTRAL: Swiss and countries that cannot afford a war effort.

But really i just cant see World War 3 happening in the close future. Things have changed so much since world war 3 and the end of the cold war, the world has been united somewhat by terrorism and lesser environmental and economic matters. Only, putting aside individual cases like NK, the Middle eastern States which are VERY slowly becomeing more predictable and poorer nations stand as contenders, but offer no real threat to the OPEC nations.

I have said it before, but i will say it again, that against anyone who is trying to sound cool or politically informed by saying that we are going to blow ourselves up, i offer the cold war as an example and many people dont pay enough attention to what happened and istead ignore history because they think that sound cool saying "We are going to kill ourselves oneday". Let me give you a little piece of history, the cold war ended, and against what you would spout as "it is human nature" we started dissasemballing armaments and silently but surely what many people dont notice, because only quick and bad things make modern history, is that since the cold wars end many many nations have has massive increases in democracy and living standards. People have to much communication these days, and frankly again, OPEC nations have nothing to gain from a large multinational war, and anything that threatens that is commonly an individual case.

I couldn't place Russia, i know from family relation as my aunty that they are now a very peace loving nation, but i question the unpredictability of their current government.

Itd all start with china. Theyll eventually get pissed off and invade taiwan, which will auto piss USA, well get UK involved, and have a nice fight with eu. N korea will have the opurtunity to invade s korea. However theyll b in for more than they bargained for. Resort to nukes, so we invade them, which pisses off mideast and north africa. China then will attack japan, thus jump starting the war. It;ll come down to a nuke battle with china. I really hope WW3 dosent break out in my life time or ever. In the words of einstien: I dont know what weapons we'll fight with in ww3, but ww4 will be fought with swords and stones.

Hypothetical...

Brow replaces Blair and Britain pulls out of Iraq; US keeps saber rattling against Iran; Iran invades Iraq after assurances from China that they will assist them; US troops decimated as they struggle to fight off Iraqis and Iranians; revolts in Afganistan; US threaterns Nukes against Iran; Australia and Canada join US; China threaten Nukes against US and Australia; Britain is forced to be neutral by EU; France, Germany, India and Russia offer to negotiate; New Zealand and Indonesia convince Australia to pull out of Alliance; South Africa Invades Zimbabwe and annexes Botswana and Namibia while no one is watching; South America is a mess or very quiet (could go either way); Taiwan is invaded and Japan is threatened.

Axis: Iran and China plus smaller opportunistic countries; also possibly North Korea

Allies: US, Canada (possibly), Australia, Japan (possibly)

Neautrals: EU (including UK), Russia, Brazil, South Africa, India

Proxis: Africa, Middle Eastern countries

Result: America is humbled and bitter - rise of fasicm, EU stronger, China dominat Military power, South Africa rises to be significant global power, Iran and Iraq try merge, but undermined; Japan quitely rearms. WW4 awaits

UK, US, Australia, Israel Vs a consortium of Muslim nations (and other "istan's)

I doubt most of Europe would back the US/UK.

Europe, UK, USA, Russia, India, and Japan vs. China + North Korea vs. The Arab World.

Canada Vs. The World

BRING IT ON!!

hehehe pulleez....u mean canada... that country north of USA

does it even have a n army???
hahaha

no seriuosly i think there would be more then two fronts

USA+EU+RUSSIA vs CHINA+INDIA+KOREA(if they ever unite)

ARAB LEAGUE vs ISRAEL+TURKEY

i dont think africans or latins will be involved in the war at all...they have there owen problems.

N korea will have the opurtunity to invade s korea. However theyll b in for more than they bargained for. Resort to nukes, so we invade them, which pisses off mideast and north africa. .


who the hell gave you the idea that arabs are forming an alliance with north Korea

arabs will definitly be on the EU side..because the arab league and the european union are officially allies...and are pationly allies (excluding britian...they hate everyone)

hehehe pulleez....u mean canada... that country north of USA

does it even have a n army???
hahaha

no seriuosly i think there would be more then two fronts

USA+EU+RUSSIA vs CHINA+INDIA+KOREA(if they ever unite)

ARAB LEAGUE vs ISRAEL+TURKEY

i dont think africans or latins will be involved in the war at all...they have there owen problems.

Who's Owen? ;)

Who's Owen? ;)

owen is a mistake i did pressing and E accidently while achiving a W goal.. but i scored on both

try it sometime.. it helps you fingers to be stronger


hmmph ;)

owen is a mistake i did pressing and E accidently while achiving a W goal.. but i scored on both

try it sometime.. it helps you fingers to be stronger


hmmph ;)

:cool:

another possible scenario is that the ww3 would be against aliens(god i hope not)

but if it was between countries there im pretty mutch sure that china / usa / eu / arab league/ israel will be involved deeply.

another possible scenario is that the ww3 would be against aliens(god i hope not)

but if it was between countries there im pretty mutch sure that china / usa / eu / arab league/ israel will be involved deeply.Have you seen the map I posted earlier? It has about nine seperate factions.

hm taiwan was always a part of china and chinese live there not some other nation?!%#@^ taiwan- it doesent have a seat in u.n... so its a matter of time before its officialy chinese but no 3rd W-war will start u.s.a. will have to exept reality. china is waiting because it is best tactics for her untill its economy and military improves even further and overtakes u.s.a./! after that u.s.a. can protest but wont go into war....

The EU and the USA would never go to a full blown war. The stonemasons would never allow it. We..., They have to much to lose to allow such a waste of resources. And in this day and age it would take one hell of an event to cause the destruction and loss of people to be clasified a world war. I think it would come down to a nuclear device going off in some nation that then in turn blames the middle east. And it would result in the USA and her 40-sum allies including GB, Spain, Italy, Saudi Arabia, Romania, Russia, Turkey, Isreal, Australia, and the rest(sorry for slighting you, but its Really Early) vs. the middle east and several allies of theirs including many up and comming oppurtunists like N Korea. The end result would be massive economic boosts in all nations thanks to the MIC, but about five years after ends there would be a massive world wide depression. Which would lead to secret societies like the Stonemasons, who regardless to popular belief, include the illuminati and the remaing templar order to vie for power. The end result being the stonemasons taking control of the world, turning it into a world utopia, envyed by even the most civilized martian nation.

I believe that this never happened, and I believe future major wars will be fought economically (see below) not with men and guns;

however on speculation....


USA + Canada + Mexico (if they can afford it, same for South American Nations) + EU (Danish states providing as little support as possible unless real threats become apparent) + Japan + Sth Korea (private battle with Nth Korea as well) + AUS + NZ + India (hopefully Pakistan, doubtful) + Israel

v's

China + Russia + Uzbekistan + Krygistan + Arabic Oil Rich Nations (Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman ect) + Northern African States (possibly), Nth Korea (private battle with Sth Korea as well)

*** I think that South Africa will try to keep out of it, if anything joining with the US ect

Just to add some notes on this, did any one else notice that Uzbekistan kicked the US out as soon as China reformed its economic structure? and Uzbekistan was part of the 'lets get China surrounded by the US assisted countries' Eg. India, Russia, Japan, Uzbekistan... the list really does go on

****heres an article I found about Uzbekistan and the US's departure****

August 01, 2005 US told to quit airbase after criticising protest massacre From Jeremy Page in Moscow


UZBEKISTAN has told the US military to leave an airbase on its soil that has been a key launch pad for American operations in neighbouring Afghanistan since 2001. The surprise move was seen as a direct response to Washington’s criticism of the Uzbek Government over the shooting of protesters in the eastern Uzbek city of Andijan in May.

It was also a victory for Russia and China, which see resource-rich Central Asia as their strategic backyard and have been lobbying for an end to the US presence there. Uzbekistan sent an official note to the US Embassy in Tashkent last week asking it to withdraw from the Karshi-Khanabad airbase, known as K2, within six months.

“This is a bilateral agreement between two sovereign nations and under that agreement either side has the option to terminate the agreement,” Nancy Beck, a State Department spokeswoman, said. The US has about 1,300 personnel at K2 and another 1,000 at a base in neighbouring Kyrgyzstan, also set up after the September 11, 2001, attacks. Washington had come under pressure in the past month from Russia, China and four former Soviet Central Asian nations to set a date for withdrawal from the two bases.

Donald Rumsfeld, the US Defence Secretary, visited Kyrgyzstan last week and won reassurances that the Pentagon could use the Manas base there for as long as necessary. Asked last Monday about the possibility of Uzbekistan closing K2, Mr Rumsfeld said: “We have had a good relationship. It’s a good relationship now.” Relations deteriorated when Kyrgyzstan, under pressure from the West, allowed the United Nations to fly 439 Andijan refugees to Romania, pending resettlement in a third country.

The US supported the move and called for another 15 refugees, being held in custody, to be allowed to leave the country. Uzbekistan says that many of the refugees are escaped convicts or Islamic extremists and wants them returned to face trial. The refugees say that they will face torture and possibly death at the hands of Uzbekistan’s notoriously brutal police and security services. President Islam Karimov has ruled his nation of 26 million people since 1989 by jailing political opponents and banning religious activity outside state-controlled institutions.

The brutality of his regime was highlighted last year by Craig Murray, the former British ambassador, who was recalled after accusing London and Washington of tacitly condoning the use of torture in Uzbek prisons. The issue came to a head on May 13 when Uzbek forces opened fire on anti-government protesters in Andijan after armed rebels occupied government buildings and stormed a prison.

The Government says that 187 people were killed, mostly Islamic extremists, but witnesses and human rights groups say that up to 750 unarmed civilians were killed. When Washington backed calls for an international inquiry, Uzbekistan placed restrictions on K2, banning night flights and heavy cargo planes. The Pentagon admitted that K2 had been a key staging post for refuelling aircraft and moving military and humanitarian supplies into Afghanistan.

The ban on night flights forced the US to relocate its HC-130 aircraft, used for tanker and search-and-rescue missions, to Bagram airbase, Afghanistan. That has put a strain on Bagram’s fuel supplies, which have to be driven in over mountain passes. US withdrawal from K2 would also alter the strategic balance with China and Russia, which has military bases in Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...1716162,00.html


Also, as an economist and political student (uni) I find it extremely troublesome that China repeatedly buys US dollars, they have the potential capability to flood the US dollar market, sending the US economy through the floor, (they’re also buying Euros...) creating a massive funnel effect, if a stock market crash occurs (like the '87 one) and then the market gets 'flooded' with US dollars; oil prices will go haywire, the US export market is totally damned, partly bringing down Canada, Sth America, Aus and NZ, although a major source of American export is China and Arabic Nations.

However considering current global market, primarily trade agreements, this is highly unlikely especially in the next 10 years, Its also worth noting that China is still classed as a 3rd world nation, and with a population of roughly 1.3billion that wont change over night.

It took Japan almost 20yrs to reform (and its been a fantastic change for them) and their population was far less that Chinas so i don’t think there is any major concerns yet for China.

It is possible that given Chinas human capital and resources, if a few economists and strategic advisers got together a major reform could be possible, although given Chinas current inflexible political structure and culture that major reform is extremely unlikely.

Um... Iran isn't Arabic...

i just realized something

arabs control the economy of the world

wow
i guess arabs wont be fihgting after all coz all the big countries will be too affraid for instability and oil prices and stuff... and no one will fight arabs... because i they wont export oil to them.. so they can make there weapons work on water instead
hehehehe

how much a litter is in eu and usa and china??? seriuosly
id like to know

here in egypt its 1 egyptian pound a liter

Egyptian pound(le) to dollar
5.6 le = 1 dollar

so can u guys tell me about your oil prices please


thanks

Hmmmmmmmmm

The USA versus any one who looks at her funny?

Look on the bright side if WW3 happens most of us won't be around too long!

John Connor and the Human Resistance v. Skynet and the Machines.

And according to John Titor, it will be American cities v. rural areas, then Russia nuking US cities, then the US fucking EVERYONE right back. Except St. Baffin Island.

i just realized something

arabs control the economy of the world

wow
i guess arabs wont be fihgting after all coz all the big countries will be too affraid for instability and oil prices and stuff... and no one will fight arabs... because i they wont export oil to them.. so they can make there weapons work on water instead
hehehehe

how much a litter is in eu and usa and china??? seriuosly
id like to know

here in egypt its 1 egyptian pound a liter

Egyptian pound(le) to dollar
5.6 le = 1 dollar

so can u guys tell me about your oil prices please


thanks
Pretty stupiud, isn't it? They only have power over us as long as we allow them too. Every time you buy fuel, you make an investment. A rich Saudi oil tycoon gets some money, then gives it to terrorists, who buy all kinds of crap with it. So, the return on your investment often comes back in the form of pointy, metal things. If we kick the oil industry, there goes their power base. We would probably make even more jobs by going to alternate energy sources, but a few people who are in power and make these desicions (read BUSH, CRONIES) and have large stakes in oli (again, BUSH, CRONIES) don't want to lose any money, but lives are just fine.

Indonesia (they are a democracy, but their geography and socio-economics make me thing they might try to take a bite out of us down here in Australia if something big happened)


My step-father is terrified of that. Personally i think its a long shot. Ever been to darwin? Its all crocs and spiders and angry drunk men. You would invade for a day or two and then you would want to go home.
Someone tried that once, snuck in, when the army found them they were sunburnt dehydrated and dying. im told they surrendered without fireing a shot.


I love a sunburnt country

(Danish states providing as little support as possible unless real threats become apparent)

I was just wondering what made you make that assumption?

I'm danish and our PMs lips are always puckered and ready to kiss Bushs arse. We were very fast to support the US against Iraq and have troops in the Basra area to this date (only 500 troops, but that's a lot considering that we are a tiny nation).

Denmark is also a very xenophobic place and I foresee internation camps for Arabs and Danes of Arab descent if the battle lines are drawn as you propose. The governments majority vote is after all dependent on Dansk Folkeparti (The Danish Peoples Party) who are xenophobic and populist to a degree that makes Pim Fortuyn and Jörk Haider seem tolerant.


Taking into consideration that you put Russia on the opposite sides of Denmark, that would also promt Denmark to run to their American 'allies' as fast as possible because of our geopolitical status as the guardians of the entrance to the Baltic Sea.

I think that the Spanish would be more reluctant to get involved than Denmark.

Just how I see it.

World War 3 wouldn't be bipolar. It would look something like this, I reckon:

Israel, India and the US VS Pakistan, a Unified Korea (South occupied by North) & a consortium of Muslim nations VS China, Russia and Mainland Europe.

It lasts all of 5 minutes and mutually assures the destruction of everything with the exception of the Jerusalem temple. The few remaining US christian fundamentalists start kicking themselves at that one.

The UK, meanwhile, would be in a state of religious conflict as the Marxists, Muslims and Methodists all try to wipe each other out. Most of us move to Ireland, where we all just get wasted instead.

Canada will become a haven for those seeking refuge and will change to have a national religion of Buddhism. It will shortly achieve enlightenment and the whole nation ascends to Godhood.

South America returns to the rainforests, which without McDonalds annihilating finally start to make a comeback. The entire population of Brazil is uploaded onto the internet, where they and the Filipino-s swiftly dominate everything digital.

Most of the conglomerates from the West set up their main base of operations in Africa. They pay the dictators to go away, and a swarm of centuries of oppression leads the Africans to hold an armed revolution. Coca-cola is now owned by Africans, as are several sports manufacturers. They make a living by trading with the Australians, who never notice anything having happened in the first place.

Finally, a Norwegian scientist proves that One is Two; Two, One. With that realisation, the world collapses in on itself, leaving the Australians again, who're more or less unaffected.

Ummm...I bet? :D

Well, whoever will fight WWIII, I'm sure there'll be scads of trouble in the US...

At least by some reconings, WWIII (aka the Cold War) ended with the collapse of the communist bloc in the early 1990s, and the current military conflict is WWIV.

I suspect some here will laugh, but I'm absolutely serious - see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_World_War
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/Printable.asp?ID=4718
http://www.dehai.org/archives/dehai_news_archive/feb02/0435.html
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/podhoretz.htm

(I don't agree with most of this except for the nomenclature.)

Who would be the axis and the allies? i think theres a few of these already, but, its time to revive it then.

Football playing nations vs American football playing nations.

Pfft, please. By 2052, Japan will have an unbeatable army of mecha, and will dominate the planet. :D

Dubious. The SuperDimensional Fortress didn't crashland on Macross Island in 1999... ;)

Canada v USA

But the same people who originally named the Baseball "World" Series will call it a world war.

This is one of the most depressing threads I have ever seen on NS General.

It's almost enough to make me go retro-hippie, join a commune and toke out. ;)

This is one of the most depressing threads I have ever seen on NS General.

It's almost enough to make me go retro-hippie, join a commune and toke out. ;)

Yeah dude - peace out :cool:

p.s. It'll be UK, USA vs China, North Korea vs Arab States vs Australia

p.p.s. Everyone will realise that the Aussie's deserve a good beating and will give 'em what's coming to 'em!