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Here is something i noticed. It seems that alot of gays, are catholic. Isnt that strange, concerning the fact that most catholics oppose gayness? Just answer me about this, cause im really confused :confused:

Not really. Why should they change their religon?

My boyfriend is catholic (and is obviously gay lol). He says he's not going to change because of the church.

My boyfriend is catholic (and is obviously gay lol). He says he's not going to change because of the church.

what do u mean "because" of the church? is he afraid of it or something? :confused:

Here is something i noticed. It seems that alot of gays, are catholic. Isnt that strange, concerning the fact that most catholics oppose gayness? Just answer me about this, cause im really confused :confused:



It becomes quite clear when one learns to differentiate between cultural Christians and authentic Christians. There are many Catholics who would fiercly deny being Catholic, although they are classified as Catholic :p

what do u mean "because" of the church? is he afraid of it or something? :confused:

No. He's just not going to change his views. The catholic church (the vatican) have an anti-gay standpoint.

Do they, like, acknowledge that they're sinning according to their own religion or what?

Here is something i noticed. It seems that alot of gays, are catholic.

And priests. The seminaries are full of people looking to escape.

Do they, like, acknowledge that they're sinning according to their own religion or what?



It varies from individual to individual. Kinda odd, seeing as since the Pope holds supreme authority in Catholicism, they know not to disobey him.

If I was a catholic, I would probably say they weren't.

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No way are there Gay Catholics.....
*Shifty eyes*
Its two points of view and obviously the Popes view is correct.

I find this a repugnant generalization.

And Fass is just taking cheap shots at the Church because it obviously doesn't fit into her secular humanist socialist utopia.

I think we all know that the percentage of gay seminarians would be spectacularly low.

As for the percentage of Catholic gays, it seemed to me that most gays are atheist and those who assosiciate with a religion rarely practice anyways.

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No way are there Gay Catholics.....
*Shifty eyes*
Its two points of view and obviously the Popes view is correct.



Yes, why even bother! Ratzinger should just tap his scepter on the ground firmly and state "I am God's voice on earth, therefore those who disagree are incorrect!" I wish I was a pope :D

I find this a repugnant generalization.

And Fass is just taking cheap shots at the Church because it obviously doesn't fit into her secular humanist socialist utopia.

I think we all know that the percentage of gay seminarians would be spectacularly low.

As for the percentage of Catholic gays, it seemed to me that most gays are atheist and those who assosiciate with a religion rarely practice anyways.



I agree 100%, except on the part where you referred to Fass as a her.

Another thing is that they are uppity because they think they can get away with starting a scandal during the middle of Mass.

If they tried that at a Bible Belt Fundie Church or Mosque they'd get stoned.

They are just more vocal because they think they have a chance of getting accepted.

Oh, please, get over yourself. You wouldn't believe how many priests have wanted to blow me over the years.

"Celibacy," my bum! Precisely.



If only that were true! Gay people aren't smarter or better than people in general, so they tend to hang on to religious nonsense as much as the rest of the population..


If they weren't smarter than others, then wouldn't they follow the foolish route of secular hedonism more openly? Seems to me they are intelligent enough to realize the folly of their sinful ways.

Another thing is that they are uppity because they think they can get away with starting a scandal during the middle of Mass.

If they tried that at a Bible Belt Fundie Church or Mosque they'd get stoned.

They are just more vocal because they think they have a chance of getting accepted.



I'm pre-Catholic but wouldn't it be a logical decision for the Pope to use his power of excommunication and root out the heresies that are so prevalent today amongst the pseudo-Catholic?

If only that were true! Gay people aren't smarter or better than people in general, so they tend to hang on to religious nonsense as much as the rest of the population..

Actually most gay people I know are in fact atheist...

If they weren't smarter than others, then wouldn't they follow the foolish route of secular hedonism more openly? Seems to me they are intelligent enough to realize the folly of their sinful ways.

You go flame elsewhere, you rotten troll. you rotten human being.

You go flame elsewhere, you rotten troll. you rotten human being.


You're just itching to get banned for unmasked flaming, eh?

You're just itching to get banned for unmasked flaming, eh?

You are the one who will get banned. You don't go after me or any other gay person again. I'm not sinning or anything. I'm tired of this. You need to seriously stop attacking gay people every time you get a chance.

You are just a troll.

Well, isn't this a grand discussion. More like a flame war. I'm a Roman Catholic, but I think that being gay is fine, because thats who you are and being someone other than yourself is worse than disobeying the bible.

I'm pre-Catholic but wouldn't it be a logical decision for the Pope to use his power of excommunication and root out the heresies that are so prevalent today amongst the pseudo-Catholic?

I'm pretty sure unapologetic gays fall under one of the automatic latae sentinae excommunication categories.

Meaning they excommunicate themselves through their actions.

Any priests unafraid to put up with a firestorm from a leftist newspaper or news station will deny communion to anyone who is openly gay, and have the rainbow brigade escorted off the Church's property.

You are the one who will get banned. You don't go after me or any other gay person again. I'm not sinning or anything. I'm tired of this. You need to seriously stop attacking gay people every time you get a chance.

You are just a troll.



So, you're calling everyone who believes homosexuality is a sin...trolls? Wow, you've just isolated a good 50% of the Christians here. Seriously, stop flaming. If you get banned, I'll lose my source of amusement.

So, you're calling everyone who believes homosexuality is a sin...trolls? Wow, you've just isolated a good 50% of the Christians here. Seriously, stop flaming. If you get banned, I'll lose my source of amusement.

YES TROLLS. In fact you know what? You aren't a good person. You are flaming gay christians, you are insulting my boyfriend (indirectly because he is catholic and does believe in god), and I hope you do get banned.

YOU ACCUSE ME OF FLAMiNG! LOOK AT YOUR OWN POSTS! YOU FLAME EVERYONE!

Well, isn't this a grand discussion. More like a flame war. I'm a Roman Catholic, but I think that being gay is fine, because thats who you are and being someone other than yourself is worse than disobeying the bible.



That conflicts the papal authority, Christ's authority, and Matthew 16:24 24Then Jesus said to his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.

No see, it isn't flaming when Fass and Mesa do it because the Catholic Church has no right to not accept their morally-bankrupt point of view.

Believe what you want, just don't scream at each other with insults. And if the pope begins declaring people heretics, then I'd rather exccomunicate myself than belong to a middle-ages style religion.

No see, it isn't flaming when Fass and Mesa do it because the Catholic Church has no right to not accept their morally-bankrupt point of view.

How is my view morally bankrupt, genius?

YES TROLLS. In fact you know what? You aren't a good person. You are flaming gay christians, you are insulting my boyfriend (indirectly because he is catholic and does believe in god), and I hope you do get banned.

YOU ACCUSE ME OF FLAMiNG! LOOK AT YOUR OWN POSTS! YOU FLAME EVERYONE!




A good person stands up for her beliefs, doesn't modify her stances to "fit with the times", and seeks the will of God, Christ, and His ordained apostles above her own.

It's not listed in the bible, obviously.

A good person stands up for her beliefs, doesn't modify her stances to "fit with the times", and seeks the will of God, Christ, and His ordained apostles above her own.

You aren't a good person. You judge other people all the time, and my boyfriend has the right to believe in what he wants and be gay. You judge far too much for your own good.

How is my view morally bankrupt, genius?



*ahem*

You reject God, you reject Christ, you embrace sin, you refuse to repent, and you flame anyone who disagrees with you incessantly.

Can't stop liberty, people.

I suppose next on your list is that he worships satan?

*ahem*

You reject God, you reject Christ, you embrace sin, you refuse to repent, and you flame anyone who disagrees with you incessantly.

I'm not part of your religion. I'm not going to accept anything that you push... embrace sin? I'm not embracing anything wrong. I'm embracing love. Repent to who? You are the one flaming everyone.

You are the flaming christian here.. and you know what.. you should stop judging other people. You will also not insult my boyfriend for having his religion.

You aren't a good person. You judge other people all the time, and my boyfriend has the right to believe in what he wants and be gay. You judge far too much for your own good.



And what do you base this upon? You have no god or diety to base your morals upon. You have no source of absolute morals. Your moral relativism wouldn't allow you to imply anyone is a bad person, after all, "society makes up the morals". You cannot condemn me when your philosophy presupposes a lack of good and evil.

Good for you, don't be decieved into molding your persona because other people look at a book and say it's wrong just because the book says so.

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

Anyone who is openly and unrepentingly gay has no right to call themself a Catholic in the first place. Anyone who refuses to accept the sinfulness of homosexuality is outside of the Church. Anyone who knows it is sinful yet makes no effort to practice chastity is also outside of the Church.

So if it doesn't make babys and praise the lord, its bad?

Can't stop liberty, people.

I suppose next on your list is that he worships satan?



Nah, unlike him, I try to avoid hasty generalizations when I have no evidence supporting my claims.

And what do you base this upon? You have no god or diety to base your morals upon. You have no source of absolute morals. Your moral relativism wouldn't allow you to imply anyone is a bad person, after all, "society makes up the morals". You cannot condemn me when your philosophy presupposes a lack of good and evil.

Religion didn't invent morals. I base this on you judging other people all the time. I have no god because I don't need a god. I can base morals on what is right or wrong. I'm existentialist and I can determine what is right and wrong. I can imply people are bad. Like Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. You are the one who is bad. And yes I can condemn you. Don't you fucking dare speak for me again.

Religion didn't invent morals. I base this on you judging other people all the time. I have no god because I don't need a god. I can base morals on what is right or wrong. I'm existentialist and I can determine what is right and wrong. I can imply people are bad. Like Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. You are the one who is bad. And yes I can condemn you. Don't you fucking dare speak for me again.



The folly of existentialism: Your morals die with you, and are therefore temporal. I only accept eternal absolutes. Try harder.

What do you base your right and wrong off of?

Who you find offensive to yourself? That's just plain ridiculous and arrogant.

The folly of existentialism: Your morals die with you, and are therefore temporal. I only accept eternal absolutes. Try harder.

You try harder. There is no folly in existentialism. Don't you dare insult my beliefs again. YOU TRY HARDER! YOU CAN'T!

So if it doesn't make babys and praise the lord, its bad?


If Paul Himself condemns it (and Christ through him), then it's bad.

What do you base your right and wrong off of?

Who you find offensive to yourself? That's just plain ridiculous and arrogant.

No.. I find those who commit wrong against humanity... as being wrong.. I find those who do good as being right.

You are the arrogant one.

http://www.gaychristians.org

Here is something i noticed. It seems that alot of gays, are catholic. Isnt that strange, concerning the fact that most catholics oppose gayness? Just answer me about this, cause im really confused :confused:

Completely and utterly incorrect; latest survey/study they did in Australia showed that Catholics were the MOST accepting of homosexuals and homosexuality - they're more accepting than the taborine tapping Baptists and the "braise the lard!" screaming evangelicals.

You try harder. There is no folly in existentialism. Don't you dare insult my beliefs again. YOU TRY HARDER! YOU CAN'T!



I just pointed out the folly. You base your morals upon something that only lasts as long as you do. You've felt free to condemn my particular interpretation of Christianity so I will exercise my right to point out the absurdities of existentialism. By the way, try not to shout: it doesn't help your case one bit.

Completely and utterly incorrect; latest survey/study they did in Australia showed that Catholics were the MOST accepting of homosexuals and homosexuality - they're more accepting than the taborine tapping Baptists and the "braise the lard!" screaming evangelicals.


Of course, people who aren't even Christian are still considered Catholic by those surveys. Therefore the results are inherently flawed.

It's always entertaining to watch NG flail about defending the religion that brought us the crusades, the inquisition, manifest destiny, and the literal extermination of entire peoples as "moral"

It's funny, sad, and scary at the same time, almost better than a good movie

I just pointed out the folly. You base your morals upon something that only lasts as long as you do. You've felt free to condemn my particular interpretation of Christianity so I will exercise my right to point out the absurdities of existentialism. By the way, try not to shout: it doesn't help your case one bit.

You base your morals on wrong views and values. There is no folly in existentialism. I will condemn you, and your incorrect interpretation of this world. You are the one who is believeing absurd beliefs. Don't you ever call my beliefs absurd if you don't even know what it is. I'll shout at you.. you are like a damn answering machine.. you keep repeating the same things all the time.

No.. I find those who commit wrong against humanity... as being wrong.. I find those who do good as being right.

You are the arrogant one.

http://www.gaychristians.org



Gaychristians.org: Lots of name-calling, very little scriptural consistency. At least try some credible citations, for the sake of arguing.

But then why did they say it was bad?

But before you begin discussing that, also, why do Christians always say that gays and athiests and other "heretics" have no morals and have no knowledge of right and wrong, just because they isobey a rule of Christianity or don't follow it?

Gaychristians.org: Lots of name-calling, very little scriptural consistency. At least try some credible citations, for the sake of arguing.

Nope. It is a very accurate website. Why don't you try some credible citations? What's the matter with you? Can't get out of the middle ages?

It's always entertaining to watch NG flail about defending the religion that brought us the crusades, the inquisition, manifest destiny, and the literal extermination of entire peoples as "moral"

It's funny, sad, and scary at the same time, almost better than a good movie

What does that have to do with the subject?

Your trite and ingenuous remarks merely paint your portrait as obnoxious and petty.

Stop trolling and get out.

Stop trolling and get out.

No, you are trolling. You get out.

You base your morals on wrong views and values. There is no folly in existentialism. I will condemn you, and your incorrect interpretation of this world. You are the one who is believeing absurd beliefs. Don't you ever call my beliefs absurd if you don't even know what it is. I'll shout at you.. you are like a damn answering machine.. you keep repeating the same things all the time.



I base my morals and values on the will of the Omniscient Being. You base yours on feeble human intellect. Therefore, your folly is apparent. I will expose your lies and show everyone the truth of what Christ and the apostles taught, not the candy-coated, happyland, everyone-goes-to-heaven-no-matter-what version that you want Christians to espouse. I'm not going to embrace the fallacies and lies of pseudo-Christianity. I will only take the pure, unadulterated Word of God.

Oh, and as for the answering machine comment: Pot meet kettle.

Leave, before he gets sad and calls the mods to ban you so he can continue to preach his two-sided religion.

The Church (when refering to the Catholic Church, the 'c' is capitalized) doesn't actually oppose homosexuality per se. It is only wrong to actually practice it. The Church believes that homosexuals are called to chastity. Though, that might explain the whole 'scandal' thing. If you want, I can give you the exact quote from the Catechism, but...

What does that have to do with the subject?

Your trite and ingenuous remarks merely paint your portrait as obnoxious and petty.

Stop trolling and get out.


And while we're at it. This pedantic little pus wad plays an excellent second fiddle. NG and CP, they should take this act on the road, I'd pay a lot of money to get a front row seat so I could throw rotten tomatoes.

Nope. It is a very accurate website. Why don't you try some credible citations? What's the matter with you? Can't get out of the middle ages?

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

That's all the citation I need. In addition to the several denunciations of homosexuality in the Bible.

Jesus was flame-baiting. God is gay. The Pope is a troll.

Have I got the story right, so far?

Leave, before he gets sad and calls the mods to ban you so he can continue to preach his two-sided religion.


Funny how you refer to it in such a negative way. Did not Christ Himself state that there were only two possible outcomes and two methods of living one's life? Are we now to reject Christ because he doesn't embrace plurality?

I base my morals and values on the will of the Omniscient Being. You base yours on feeble human intellect. Therefore, your folly is apparent. I will expose your lies and show everyone the truth of what Christ and the apostles taught, not the candy-coated, happyland, everyone-goes-to-heaven-no-matter-what version that you want Christians to espouse. I'm not going to embrace the fallacies and lies of pseudo-Christianity. I will only take the pure, unadulterated Word of God.

Oh, and as for the answering machine comment: Pot meet kettle.

I'm sorry but I have to say this... I base my moral values on honesty, decency and human rights. You base yours on christian fascism. You can't even prove this omniscent being. You are the one committing huge folly. You are committing errors. You are the one spewing lies and you are the one who is wrong... no more will I stand for your hypocrisy and lies. I'm not going to embraces the fallacies and lies of your fascist views!

freeunitedstates, give us the quote please.

I'm sorry but I have to say this... I base my moral values on honesty, decent and human rights. You base yours on christian fascism. You can't even prove this omniscent being. You are the one committing huge folly. You are committing errors. You are the one spewing lies and you are the one who is wrong... no more will I stand for your hypocrisy and lies. I'm not going to embraces the fallaices and lies of your fascist views!

YEAH! ROCK ON DETRIOT!!!

Nope. It is a very accurate website. Why don't you try some credible citations? What's the matter with you? Can't get out of the middle ages?



Hi, have you read the Bible in its entirety and studied various commentaries on it? If not, then kindly stop trolling those of us who have, and go away so we can continue this discussion without illogical screaming.

Hi, have you read the Bible in its entirety and studied various commentaries on it? If not, then kindly stop trolling those of us who have, and go away so we can continue this discussion without illogical screaming.

Yes in fact I have. And I can say this: you misinterpret the own book you claim to preach. The only one being illogical is you.

Yep all us Christians are nazis.

Heil Pontifex Maximus!

*Romain Salute*

NR, it seem you dont consider catholics to be true christians, so why do you care?

first point: the catholic church is not blatantly anti-gay. they're anti-gay sex. which i suspect is rooted in homophobia, although they claim god intended sex and marriage for procreation. they also ban infertile persons from sex and marriage, but don't chastise them for being infertile. aside from the sex/marriage issue, the church teaches that all homosexuals be treated with the respect and love you would expect from a follower of jesus christ.

second point: obviously, the church's dogma changes quite regularly. most gay catholics are hoping the church will eventually change it's position on the issue. and as they agree with the church on most other issues, they see no reason to leave.

Yep all us Christians are nazis.

Heil Pontifex Maximus!

*Romain Salute*

No.. only the ones who hate gay people... and misinterpret the bible.

We hate gay people because we don't think what they do is right?