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senator Frist challenges the President to remove Bush-imposed limitations on stem-cell research on "moral" grounds. in My opinion research using human embyro's is valid. bush May use his veto on the issue, so i suppose this is also a test of bush's Christian faith. whats Everyone elses views on the topic?

i'm Going to bring this to people attention again not because I feel strongly about the subject but simply because I Have. No. Time.important

I think private funds should be used for research on stem cells. The government really has no place in science if you ask me. Think about it, if private companies are allowed to conduct research on embryonic stem cells, any breakthroughs would happen so much quicker. Government is not really all that known for efficiency.

I'm all for stem-cell research with embryos and the works. Who better than the giant United States to step up onto the scientific scene. They're bigging up on NASA already, I'd like to see the world go back into a 'knowledge hunt' state. That's getting a bit off-topic though...

I think private funds should be used for research on stem cells. The government really has no place in science if you ask me. Think about it, if private companies are allowed to conduct research on embryonic stem cells, any breakthroughs would happen so much quicker. Government is not really all that known for efficiency.
Why not both? :p

Why not both? :p
yes, I presumed that it would be researched privately also.

Why not both? :p

Maybe because government is inefficient and so full of red tape. Look at the "War on Poverty". They've been "fighting" that since the 60's, have we even come close to winning?

This is not a responsibility of the federal government. It is called corporate welfare. Any findings by private corporations would be the copyrighted property of that corporation and not the public, so therefore, why the hell should public funds be used to finance it. There is no mitagating factors that make it impossible to fund within the research and development arms of individual businesses.

Dont forget the War on Drugs and the War on Terror




Though I think the issue is whether its morally acceptable or not....

OK well putting aside government funding, what are your views on Stem Cell research essentially?

Dont forget the War on Drugs and the War on Terror




Though I think the issue is whether its morally acceptable or not....
War. Hah.

The only reason the 'War on Poverty' and 'War on Drugs' isn't working is because there's no bombs being dropped! The 'War on Terror' is progressing well since the US is bombing the ever-loving shit out of everything.

OK well putting aside government funding, what are your views on Stem Cell research essentially?
A gigantic benefit for the world.

I'm skeptical of it all. When we start getting all of these fantastic results, I'll believe it. As humans, I don't think we are as bright as we tend to believe. We don't even have a cure for a virus like AIDS, or even for the common cold. I seriously doubt we will ever cure cancer, AIDS, diabetes, Lou Gehrigs Disease (ALS). People have to die and will continue to die, it is the way of nature. But I say if companies want to pursue research, go for it, and prove me wrong. If we can't cure things, maybe we can learn to better treat disease....

I'm skeptical of it all. When we start getting all of these fantastic results, I'll believe it. As humans, I don't think we are as bright as we tend to believe. We don't even have a cure for a virus like AIDS, or even for the common cold. I seriously doubt we will ever cure cancer, AIDS, diabetes, Lou Gehrigs Disease (ALS). People have to die and will continue to die, it is the way of nature. But I say if companies want to pursue research, go for it, and prove me wrong. If we can't cure things, maybe we can learn to better treat disease....
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OK well putting aside government funding, what are your views on Stem Cell research essentially?

I believe that it has already shown the potiential to revolutionize medicine in many areas, and create a quality of life that many more thought they could never again enjoy due to serious injuries.

Liverbreath']I believe that it has already shown the potiential to revolutionize medicine in many areas, and create a quality of life that many more thought they could never again enjoy due to serious injuries.
so You have no moral objections?

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Well, I've been around long enough where I've heard "We'll have a cure for cancer in X number of years", or whatever. Listening to the scientists over the years does make you a skeptic. I still don't know if eggs are good or bad for you? :p

PS I have no moral objections to using unused embryos for research. I only have issues with cloning, as i think that could lead to real problems in the future.

I think private funds should be used for research on stem cells. The government really has no place in science if you ask me. Think about it, if private companies are allowed to conduct research on embryonic stem cells, any breakthroughs would happen so much quicker. Government is not really all that known for efficiency.

Err, not sure if I agree there.

If you think about it, you need a stable government to allow for the diversification of trades. Being a scientific researcher is kind of diverse.

And of course, where does all other medical funding come from? NOT private sponsors.

Whilst Private Corporate sponsors would boost the government grants to fund the research, without Government funding, the research would probably never get started. As soon as potential private sponsors see that there has been no Federal Endorsement - by way of a government grant - then their sponsorship is likely to move to where the government has allocated funds.
I doubt whether any private sponsor would contribute to research not financially backed by government.

so You have no moral objections?

I personally don't see where they come from. Embryonic stem cells are not even necessary for the research, but if in fact at some point someone develops a genuine need for that paticular source cell, there are pleanty of options avaliable to obtain them.
The whole issue is a political play to justify a new round of corporate welfare. The simple fact of the matter is, if private research facilities thought that embryonic stem cells research provided an additional or greater promise of profit, they would let nothing stand in their way to pursue it. On the other hand, if they can seperate it from what they currently have going on and con tax payers into paying for it, then sure, why not throw it out there and see if it will fly. It could mean a multi billion dollar give away.

I doubt whether any private sponsor would contribute to research not financially backed by government.

They do it everyday. Especially if they truely believe in what they are doing and want to keep it a secret.