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link to story (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/07/31/npears31.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/07/31/ixhome.html)

Ok, nobody else seems to have started a thread on this yet so I will.

To summerise the story in the link, a Conservative member of the House of Lords went to have an operation under anaesthetic, he says he woke up part way through but was unable to move or tell anyone so he was in agony. He was then led away by a figure in a greeny-brown tweed suit and came into a huge cavern. He saw a light which he took to be God and felt a great sadness coming from God because He's losing the battle of good against evil and people are losing faith. The guy says his job is to warn people that the battle can be lost and won't be won automatically. He does cheapen the article at the end by comparing his Euro-sceptic stance to fighting evil.

I admit that I hover between Agnosticism and Atheism so I'm very sceptical but I wondered what everyone else thought: Would God send a message in this way? Do you think this is genuine or was it a dream or an illusion brought on by the intense pain? What do you think of the message?

Please note that this isn't a debate on whether there is or isn't a God, this is a discussion on the ideas raised in the article.

Okay, I'll rattle off a few things here.

1) The Christian God has supposedly already won. That's not necessarily a denouncement of his vision; merely that it's not a Christian one. His God is not he of whom Saint Paul and the Christian church talk.

2) That sort of method of God's communication seems to be the most common. A One-to-one talk on some sort of etherial level is how most people who follow God describe their first experience with him/her/it.

3) He's been blinded to the meaning of the message by his own prejudices. He believes that what he does is what is right, and anything that God (if indeed it was God) had to say was quashed by his own ideas such as the Europe issue.

4) Dreams can be completely unrelated to the real world. I had a dream about a dragon eating a farmer once. That doesn't mean we're going to be attacked by a plague across the agriculture sector, overcome by winged serpents or that the evil of humanity is targetting the working classes; it's just a picture.

5) This scenario brings up the interesting discussion of just what God is, exactly. Is he a benevolent spirit? Is he the embodiment of the human cause? Is he the Buddha, a cosmic force that binds all that lives? Or are we just part of a power struggle between several warring cross-dimensional beings?

He was under the influence of powerful anaesthetics. Do you really need to look much further than this for an explenation of what happened?

He was under the influence of powerful anaesthetics. Do you really need to look much further than this for an explenation of what happened?

It isn't so much the explanation that I'm interested in, I'm more interested in the response of Christians to the claims he made in the article.

link to story (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/07/31/npears31.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/07/31/ixhome.html)

Ok, nobody else seems to have started a thread on this yet so I will.

To summerise the story in the link, a Conservative member of the House of Lords went to have an operation under anaesthetic, he says he woke up part way through but was unable to move or tell anyone so he was in agony. He was then led away by a figure in a greeny-brown tweed suit and came into a huge cavern. He saw a light which he took to be God and felt a great sadness coming from God because He's losing the battle of good against evil and people are losing faith. The guy says his job is to warn people that the battle can be lost and won't be won automatically. He does cheapen the article at the end by comparing his Euro-sceptic stance to fighting evil.

I admit that I hover between Agnosticism and Atheism so I'm very sceptical but I wondered what everyone else thought: Would God send a message in this way? Do you think this is genuine or was it a dream or an illusion brought on by the intense pain? What do you think of the message?

Please note that this isn't a debate on whether there is or isn't a God, this is a discussion on the ideas raised in the article.As it is said there, before the end many of false prophets will rise and many shall believe. But those that stay in the LORD will be with the LORD and they will know the true LORD

I'm sure it can be traced back to a few little mushrooms...

You know theres an image of jesus in a cut tree branch in some eastern european nation right?

There's also an image of Jesus in a piece of cheese on toast, don't ask me where. :)

There's also an image of Jesus in a piece of cheese on toast, don't ask me where. :)


Actually it's of Mary - or so i thought. They sold it on eBay I think.

the guy with the jesus toast also had a dimebag darryl grilled cheese sandwich isnt it amazing

the guy with the jesus toast also had a dimebag darryl grilled cheese sandwich isnt it amazing
The real amazing thing is that it turns out that they are both the same image on the same piece of toast.
Look:
Dimebag (http://www.suaturma.com/metalbrasil/caixapreta/imagens/pantera/pantera_dimebag_darrell_01m.jpg) Jesus (http://shalomplace.com/images/jesus.jpeg)

Isn't it obvious that they are really one and the same?

Apparently, the second coming came and went, and we missed our Salvation Through Metal.

This would mean a lot more if the guy wasn't on general anaesthetic. In Britain, at least, the standard anaesthetic leaves you in a state of semi-conciousness. You can't sense the outside world, but you have complete control over your dream. He caused his "revelation", and now hes using it to push his nationalist arguments harder. Way to go, oh enlightened one... :rolleyes: