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Whateverism: A religion created by Zotona (The First Whateverist) for her own amusement and to convey her own personal religious, political, and moral views. It is said that the Whatevers themselves spoke to Zotona as she wrote the Book of Whatever. :p



THE BOOK OF WHATEVER



PART ONE: Whatever



One day, in a pocket reality known as the Whateverse, a creature called Whatever decided to exist. Then it replicated itself numerous time to form a race of beings known as the Whatevers.

Each Whatever was different from the other. Some were male, some were female, some were large, some were small, some were white, some where black, some were purple, some were transparent, some were mean, some were nice, some were blobs and some looked like our people did today, and there were many who were a combination or somewhere in between.

They hung out for a while, and then they got bored. They tried to entertain each other, but eventually, that got boring, too. They created an entire universe, just for their own entertainment, but they couldn't tell what was going on, so each Whatever created its own viewing screen and transportation device to watch over, and if necessary, travel to, the universe they had created.

The universe was bare and empty, so they created solar system after solar system of planets, suns, moons, asteroids, black holes, and other stuff science hasn't even discovered yet. The universe was very pretty, but the Whatevers soon grew bored. They decorated each planet's terrain magnificently, and each planet was unique. They even provided a small spark of life on fortunate planets like our own.

The Whatevers had finally created an infinitely entertaining universe. Most of the Whatevers just sat back and enjoyed the show, but some interfered, directing the creatures each planet spawned to take certain paths, evolutionary or otherwise.



PART TWO: The Way of the Whateverist



The Whatevers spoke to me, and I felt their presence, and it was not only good, but also bad. In my mind, I heard their words, and felt they probably were true.

They said to me, "Here are the rules by which we'd prefer you live, and if you choose to share these with others, it will bring them much happiness and please us greatly.

"The first is that you should not look to us for the meanings of things. This you will learn in your own time.

"The second is that you should take responsibility for your own actions. You do have free will, though at times it may not seem like it.

"The third is that you should love yourself and others. They may not deserve your love, and they may not love you, but you should find what is beautiful in them and love them in spite of all else.

"The fourth is that you should not take pride in whatever hate you may have in your heart. You may not be able to change your feelings, but you should recognize that it is not right and strive to be a better person."

"The fifth is that you should recognize that you were created equal to your fellow humans. No human is born superior to any other. It is ones actions which determine their moral superiority or inferiority.

"The sixth is that you should not look to the sky for goods. Depend only upon yourself, as all you shall receive in life is what you earn.

"The seventh is that you should respect the beliefs of all others and recognize that they are just as valid as your own, no matter how much you may disagree with them.

"If you live by these rules, you shall be rewarded in the afterlife. If you disobey them, you will be punished." they said, and they left me.


THE END!

The Book of Whatever: Short, modern, and to the point. :D

Yeah, yeah, whatever. Talk to the hand, 'cause my eyes ain't reading your book! *snakes neck*

:p

Yeah, yeah, whatever. Talk to the hand, 'cause my eyes ain't reading your book!

:p
It's not really a book if it is only two parts and only about a page long, though, is it? :p

It's not really a book if it is only two parts and only about a page long, though, is it? :p



Add a few more commandments, and we might be able to make it a pamphlet :D

Add a few more commandments, and we might be able to make it a pamphlet :D
Heh.


On another note, ARGH... I leave for a few months and I find you with more posts than me! :headbang: :D

I tried so hard to read that, but it was perhaps a bit too noncommital for me. But probably not really.

And how does a Whateverist convert a non-Whateverist to Whateverism?

I prefer the Soviet Commandments, they only have one:

"You'll do as we say and like it!"

Our motto: "Religious fulfillment guaranteed...OR ELSE!"

I don't like this belief, it is not Totalitarian enough. We need a religion that can effectively be used to boss the masses around and make sure everyone is useful to our society. GO TOTALITARIANISM!

Simonist']I tried so hard to read that, but it was perhaps a bit too noncommital for me. But probably not really.

And how does a Whateverist convert a non-Whateverist to Whateverism?
There's no need to convert anyone else to Whateverism. They love all others and respect all beliefs, opposing or otherwise. No Whatevangelism is nessecary in the minds of Whateverists. You don't have to live the Whateverist lifestyle to be a "good person" in the eyes of the Whatevers.

I prefer the Soviet Commandments, they only have one:

"You'll do as we say and like it!"

Our motto: "Religious fulfillment guaranteed...OR ELSE!"
I don't like this belief, it is not Totalitarian enough. We need a religion that can effectively be used to boss the masses around and make sure everyone is useful to our society. GO TOTALITARIANISM!
Of course, Totalitarianism is not the basis of Whateverism. Whateverism reflects my views, the views of the Whatevers, and the views of the First Whatever.

There's no need to convert anyone else to Whateverism. They love all others and respect all beliefs, opposing or otherwise. No Whatevangelism is nessecary in the minds of Whateverists. You don't have to live the Whateverist lifestyle to be a "good person" in the eyes of the Whatevers.



Is Whateverism self-contradictory in espousing that all ideas are equal? What about mutually exclusive ideas? This is why we need a seperation of Whatever and State.

It's not really a book if it is only two parts and only about a page long, though, is it? :p

Yeah, whatever. You don't even have a book? Even that carpenter chap who ironically got stuck to a piece of wood had a book.

So, you need a book for me to ignore in equal fashion. Chop, chop!

Is Whateverism self-contradictory in espousing that all ideas are equal? What about mutually exclusive ideas? This is why we need a seperation of Whatever and State.
No, the idea is that even that one person may be sure that Whateverism is the way to spiritual enlightenment, another might be equally sure that Christianity is, another might think Buddhaism is, and yet another might feel that there is no way to spiritual enlightenment whatsover. Whateverists simply recognize that these opposing beliefs are equally valid. I will never claim that Whateverism is the only "true" religion.
Yeah, whatever. You don't even have a book? Even that carpenter chap who ironically got stuck to a piece of wood had a book.

So, you need a book for me to ignore in equal fashion. Chop, chop!
LOL! :p

tl;dr

No, the idea is that even that one person may be sure that Whateverism is the way to spiritual enlightenment, another might be equally sure that Christianity is, another might think Buddhaism is, and yet another might feel that there is no way to spiritual enlightenment whatsover. Whateverists simply recognize that these opposing beliefs are equally valid. I will never claim that Whateverism is the only "true" religion.

LOL! :p



How can this be? How can Christianity and Judaism both be correct when they condemn one another? You can't have two coexisting religions that both make claims to the truth. Either one is valid or the other is.

Either one is valid or the other is.

Or both are invalid. And most likely are.

Or both are invalid. And most likely are.



Nah, you're thinking of that silly little philosophy which claims that the universe originated from nothing with no external cause ;)

How can this be? How can Christianity and Judaism both be correct when they condemn one another? You can't have two coexisting religions that both make claims to the truth. Either one is valid or the other is.
They both have equally valid claims to be "truth", and Whateverists recognize that it is possible that one is true, or perhaps none, or, in some strange, twisted way, both. Perhaps it may not make sense to our simplistic human brains, but it may be possible that ALL religions are "truth".

Nah, you're thinking of that silly little philosophy which claims that the universe originated from nothing with no external cause ;)

You're acting ridiculous. What created god? And don't give me that omnipresent nonsense because it doesn't fly. It is silly. Christianity is silly, and religion is silly.

Of course, Totalitarianism is not the basis of Whateverism. Whateverism reflects my views, the views of the Whatevers, and the views of the First Whatever.

They both have equally valid claims to be "truth", and Whateverists recognize that it is possible that one is true, or perhaps none, or, in some strange, twisted way, both. Perhaps it may not make sense to our simplistic human brains, but it may be possible that ALL religions are "truth".
So the religion of killing all whateverists is as valid and true as whateverism itself?

Cool! It is killing time! :D

You're acting ridiculous. What created god? And don't give me that omnipresent nonsense because it doesn't fly. It is silly. Christianity is silly, and religion is silly.
I'd rather think that there are higher powers that have created us with some innate purpose than believe that we are simply here to multiply, or that we had no purpose whatsoever. So I am a Whateverist.

It is silly. Christianity is silly, and religion is silly.
And secularism is stupid.

Instead of bashing all forms of philosophy on the fact that they are all stupid and pointless, I propose that we solve our problems using drugs and by ending the religion of whateverism(it is evil ;) )

Drugs is fun! :)

So the religion of killing all whateverists is as valid and true as whateverism itself?

Cool! It is killing time! :D
No, it is as valid and likely to be true as Whateverism, but Whateverism has an advantage over "the religion of killing all Whateverists" of not being "wrong" in the eyes of the law.

And secularism is stupid.

Instead of bashing all forms of philosophy on the fact that they are all stupid and pointless, I propose that we solve our problems using drugs and by ending the religion of whateverism(it is evil ;) )

Drugs is fun! :)
Yes, it is evil, but it is equally good.

No, it is as valid and likely to be true as Whateverism, but Whateverism has an advantage over "the religion of killing all Whateverists" of not being "wrong" in the eyes of the law.
Well, the only problem that you stated with killing all Whateverists could be solved by killing more people. Ah yes, killing people is the solution to all of lifes problems. :D

You're acting ridiculous. What created god? And don't give me that omnipresent nonsense because it doesn't fly. It is silly. Christianity is silly, and religion is silly.



Lol, you're hilarious!!! "Ok then, answer this question and don't answer it because answering is silly as is your entire method of answering!" When you really want a solution to the question you posed, say so.

Well, the only problem that you stated with killing all Whateverists could be solved by killing more people. Ah yes, killing people is the solution to all of lifes problems. :D
The Whateverists recognize you have your own reasons for threatening to wipe us out, and that if you choose to actually proceed with doing so, you will be forced to accept punishment for your actions when the time comes, in both life and afterlife.

The Whateverists recognize you have your own reasons for threatening to wipe us out, and that if you choose to actually proceed with doing so, you will be forced to accept punishment for your actions when the time comes, in both life and afterlife.
But if my beliefs are as valid as your beliefs, why should I be punished in the afterlife? I was only doing what was valid and even good for this world. Are you saying that the afterlife does not recognize the validity of certain beliefs making those beliefs invalid by their very nature?

Lol, you're hilarious!!! "Ok then, answer this question and don't answer it because answering is silly as is your entire method of answering!" When you really want a solution to the question you posed, say so.

You are the hilarious ones. Not to mention the majority of your views are out dated. You believe the earth is flat? Get with the times.. why are you so against common sense?

But if my beliefs are as valid as your beliefs, why should I be punished in the afterlife? I was only doing what was valid and even good for this world. Are you saying that the afterlife does not recognize the validity of certain beliefs making those beliefs invalid by their very nature?
A Whateverist believes that if you harm another human being, or hate another, then you will receive your punishment in the afterlife, but also recognizes that your beliefs are also valid, and if they are "true" and you do not view murder to be "wrong", than you will NOT be punished in the afterlife; however, society does have ways of bring killers to "justice".

The frontal lobe of my brain hurts after reading that.

You are the hilarious ones. Not to mention the majority of your views are out dated. You believe the earth is flat? Get with the times.. why are you so against common sense?



What on earth....I believe the earth is flat? Oh, don't give me that mumbo-jumbo! "The four corners of the earth" is a metaphorical statement, and you know it :rolleyes:

A Whateverist believes that if you harm another human being, or hate another, then you will receive your punishment in the afterlife, but also recognizes that your beliefs are also valid, and if they are "true" and you do not view murder to be "wrong", than you will NOT be punished in the afterlife; however, society does have ways of bring killers to "justice".



Wow, then I'm going to convert to Serial-Killerism and go on a rampage :D

What on earth....I believe the earth is flat? Oh, don't give me that mumbo-jumbo! "The four corners of the earth" is a metaphorical statement, and you know it :rolleyes:

So is "God," and you should know it.

It all sounds OK to me - up to the menacing conclusion about the afterlife.

Rather than wrapping up with a warning ("If you live by these rules, you shall be rewarded in the afterlife. If you disobey them, you will be punished"), I'd have thought the Whateverists would have concluded more along the lines of "So that's what we've got, and if you live with it, that's great. You might find these rules pretty useful; if there's an afterlife you will probably feel better there if you aren't a jerk in this life, if there's nothing after this plane of existence, you won't be around to feel bad about anything."

But that's just me.

So is "God," and you should know it.
Blah blah blah. The arguments for and against god have been done so many times it is stupid. God is God, you may disbelieve in him, you may believe in him but no one is going to be converted by a war of bullshit on some crappy forum.

I do not remember ever hearing anyone say "good thing that guy on the forum told me the God does not exist, without him I would still go to church"

nor do I hear "I have seen the light, some christian on the internet has finally convinced me that God is correct and the only way to live life, Hallelujah!"

What on earth....I believe the earth is flat? Oh, don't give me that mumbo-jumbo! "The four corners of the earth" is a metaphorical statement, and you know it :rolleyes:

You need to start using common sense in your arguments.. you are far too religious.

Ya know, other beliefs are not really valid if they warrant punishment. So it seems that there is a contradiction within the beliefs. Either the beliefs are wrong and therefore invalid and deserving punishment or they are valid and therefore partially right and deserving of some form of praise.

You need to start using common sense in your arguments.. you are far too religious.
You hate religion, good for you! But most religious people do not really care or hate your beliefs with the same passion. It really does not matter anyway because if you respect the human freedom of choice then you can accept someone else's choice to believe in a religion. If you can not then you are not going to win very many friends.

The frontal lobe of my brain hurts after reading that.
Do you mean, the original post, the post directly before yours, or any other given post in the thread? :D

Wow, then I'm going to convert to Serial-Killerism and go on a rampage :D
Do what you must. :p

It all sounds OK to me - up to the menacing conclusion about the afterlife.

Rather than wrapping up with a warning ("If you live by these rules, you shall be rewarded in the afterlife. If you disobey them, you will be punished"), I'd have thought the Whateverists would have concluded more along the lines of "So that's what we've got, and if you live with it, that's great. You might find these rules pretty useful; if there's an afterlife you will probably feel better there if you aren't a jerk in this life, if there's nothing after this plane of existence, you won't be around to feel bad about anything."

But that's just me.
Well, you see, the Whatevers expect better from me than from the average person. :p

But seriously, you're right. I will have to create a Version 2.0! ;)

Blah blah blah. The arguments for and against god have been done so many times it is stupid. God is God, you may disbelieve in him, you may believe in him but no one is going to be converted by a war of bullshit on some crappy forum.

I do not remember ever hearing anyone say "good thing that guy on the forum told me the God does not exist, without him I would still go to church"

nor do I hear "I have seen the light, some christian on the internet has finally convinced me that God is correct and the only way to live life, Hallelujah!"
That post did not contribute to the discussion in any way whatsoever. The conversation is already off-topic, but I'm allowing it to persist. Either make a valid point or get out of my thread.

Ya know, other beliefs are not really valid if they warrant punishment. So it seems that there is a contradiction within the beliefs. Either the beliefs are wrong and therefore invalid and deserving punishment or they are valid and therefore partially right and deserving of some form of praise.
They warrant punishment within Whateverism. A belief does not have to be "right" to be considered a valid one, nor does it have to be "wrong" to be considered an invalid one. There are in-betweens and uncertainties, and Whateverism recognizes these.

You hate religion, good for you! But most religious people do not really care or hate your beliefs with the same passion. It really does not matter anyway because if you respect the human freedom of choice then you can accept someone else's choice to believe in a religion. If you can not then you are not going to win very many friends.
H.A. has a point, Fass.

You need to start using common sense in your arguments.. you are far too religious.



I've noticed that the majority of your attacks on my position have involved sheer vilification instead of reasoning behind your disagreement. Try it, it's a nice thing.

I've noticed that the majority of your attacks on my position have involved sheer villification instead of reasoning behind your disagreement. Try it, it's a nice thing.
Wow... I agree with you AGAIN today! I must have slipped into an alternate reality!

I've noticed that the majority of your attacks on my position have involved sheer villification instead of reasoning behind your disagreement. Try it, it's a nice thing.

Dude, you are the one who is doing cheap copy and paste jobs from websites that look like third graders made.

Dude, you are the one who is doing cheap copy and paste jobs from websites that look like third graders made.



I'm not a dude, and since when has your average third grader been able to concoct a well-present article replete with citations?

So is "God," and you should know it.



Oh, and I suppose you have conclusive evidence that matter could have formed itself? Please, I'm all for it.

I'm not a dude, and since when has your average third grader been able to concoct a well-present article replete with citations?

What citations? are you talking about that reasoned religion site? I never seen such an eye sore of a website in a long time thanks.. and what citations? Citations don't exist in religion as the bible is non-factual.

How can this be? How can Christianity and Judaism both be correct when they condemn one another? You can't have two coexisting religions that both make claims to the truth. Either one is valid or the other is.
Maybe neither of them are valid, and therefor, they are equally valid. Perhaps all beliefs are not valid, therefore, all beliefs are equally valid!

Whatever 25:3
And God said something to a prophet guy that went something like "smite down those unbelievers". And so he went ahead and did it and well the rest is unimportant.

Whatever 25:3
And God said something to a prophet guy that went something like "smite down those unbelievers". And so he went ahead and did it and well the rest is unimportant.
Hey, get your own religion! :p

I'll stick with pationism, thanks