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Since there is already a legislative branch, there should be a judicial one. Here is how it works:
There will be nine judges
1. You must announce your candidacy on this thread with a list of your political convictions.
2. If you wish to run under the banner of one of the General political parties, that is permitted.
3. In order for your name to appear on the poll, you must be nominated by at least three people that are NOT yourself.
4. If there are more than nine people with the required amount of nominations, then there will be another round of voting.
5. These judges will hold office for three months and may hold as many terms as that judge can acquire.
6. If anyone wishes to present a case to the court, he must present it on this thread so as to prevent spam.
7. Since there is no constitution, you must use the laws that are in practice in that presenter's home nation. (UK, US, etc.)
8. MPs cannot run for Judge's office
Elections will begin on Wendesday at 5:00 am GMT and will close on Thursday at 12:00 p.m. GMT

3. In order for your name to appear on the poll, you must be nominated by at least three people that are NOT yourself.


So ... no multiple personalities, eh?

So ... no multiple personalities, eh?
Absolutely not, this is not the real supreme court after all. :D

Absolutely not, this is not the real supreme court after all. :D

ROFL! That just made my day.

a good idea!

7. Since there is no constitution, you must use the laws that are in practice in that presenter's home nation. (UK, US, etc.)

the Parliament is still working on this....... sloooowly

you might want to add 8. MPs cannot run for Judge's office (i assume this is the case)

a good idea!

the Parliament is still working on this....... sloooowly

you might want to add 8. MPs cannot run for Judge's office (i assume this is the case)
That's a good suggestion, I added it.

What role would this Supreme Court play? You say the justices would follow law present in their respective RL countries, but most Supreme Courts in different countries do different kinds of things. Would the justices be bound by the authority their laws grant them? How could you then have a cohesive Supreme Court, when the justices would have different rules to follow.

This needs to be thought out a bit more.

What role would this Supreme Court play? You say the justices would follow law present in their respective RL countries, but most Supreme Courts in different countries do different kinds of things. Would the justices be bound by the authority their laws grant them? How could you then have a cohesive Supreme Court, when the justices would have different rules to follow.

This needs to be thought out a bit more.
Well, I wanted to say American law, but that may not work for others. This will only be the case until a constitution is drawn.

Can we announce our candidacy now, or have to wait until it's more finalized?

Well, I wanted to say American law, but that may not work for others.

Naturally, since it would effectively make any non-USian unsuitable. Ever thought of treating the NSUN resolutions as a sort of constitution?

This will only be the case until a constitution is drawn.

I'm not against them following the laws from their RL countries, but I'm asking what sort of role this Supreme Court would play. Take the UK for instance, where a Supreme Court didn't even exist before this year, and which shares its duties with the upper house of parliament. Or the Swedish one, which isn't even a constitutional court to begin with.

You need to define what is expected of the court and what sort of powers it has.

Do we have a constitution? If not, it will be hard to give the Court much power; the primary purpose of the US Supreme Court is to determine the constitutionality for our laws. Other courts I'm not 100% on, but they would have to function like a constitutionless state.

yeah there seems to be some technical problems with a judicial branch, /agree with everyone else

Naturally, since it would effectively make any non-USian unsuitable. Ever thought of treating the NSUN resolutions as a sort of constitution?
That's an excellant idea.

You need to define what is expected of the court and what sort of powers it has.
If someone questions the constituionality of a certain issue, the court will make its decision based on past NS UN resolutions, until a constitution is written. It will serve as a regular court and each will vote according to the resolutions which will also be used as evidence.

Vetalia, go ahead and announce your candidacy.

I hereby announce my entry as a Supreme Court Judge.

My political convictions: None. Acquitted on all counts. :D

since I am positive 8 disqualifies me, what is MP

Since there is already a legislative branch, there should be a judicial one.

What comes next? - NS General death row?

What comes next? - NS General death row?

Wasn't capital punishment abolished in a vote? I seem to recall a vote, at least...

I'll announce my candidacy, and for those of you who aren't sure of my beliefs, I'm generally

Socially libertarian ( pro gay marriage/rights, pro legalization of marijuana, pro-privacy rights, etc.) with strong emphasis on individual responsibility. As long as it doesn't violate personal property, individuals, or others around them, it's acceptable.

Economically conservative:

(anti-protectionism, pro-free trade, pro tax cuts for middle class) with strong support for free market and the control of anti-competitive activites. I prefer giving individuals more control over their retirement and less government spending. However, I support high funding for education, and expansion of government grants, vouchers and loans for better higher educational opportunity. I also support making the system accountable by cutting administrative costs to no more than 25% of total spending. Environmental regulations should be enforced, with emphasis on dangerous contamination rather than CO2, and oppose Kyoto in favor of a fairer treaty.

Internationalist:

I support international law in general, but not where it conflicts with national law. I support working through international bodies for military operations and am opposed to unilateral action unless absolutely necessary (not like Iraq). I also support UN reform and more accountability in the system to maximize its effectiveness.

Any more questions, feel free to ask.

What comes next? - NS General death row?
No, NS General Military.

An MP is a member of the NS General Parliament.

No, NS General Military.

Bit late for that now: what was it... a bit over two years ago that we declared war on the Roleplay forums for stealing our bandwidth and staged a punitive invasion?

Do we have a constitution? If not, it will be hard to give the Court much power; the primary purpose of the US Supreme Court is to determine the constitutionality for our laws. Other courts I'm not 100% on, but they would have to function like a constitutionless state.
somehow the British Judicial system manages to get by without a codified constitution. i say somehow because i know as much about this as a rabid saussage would

somehow the British Judicial system manages to get by without a codified constitution. i say somehow because i know as much about this as a rabid saussage would

That's true, but they also draw from 1000+ years of accumulated legal precedent; I'd say the only way for it to work other than a constitution is to make the Parliament decisions law, but that makes it difficult to strike down ones that would be deemed "unconstitutional".

Ihatevacations']since I am positive 8 disqualifies me, what is MP
Member of Parliament.

Member of Parliament.

...or, given the ambiguity of the actual wording, it could be barring Military Policemen from the judiciary.

Member of Parliament.
ohh, well considering i would never get nominated by 3 people again, I declare my candidacy, no need to state political leanings, there's a reason 3 people won't nominate me

Ihatevacations']ohh, well considering i would never get nominated by 3 people again, I declare my candidacy, no need to state political leanings, there's a reason 3 people won't nominate me

You're fun. You get my vote.

You're fun. You get my vote.

Why not me? Is it my dry and pedantic style of posting?

Why not me? Is it my dry and pedantic style of posting?

It's mostly because I only have one vote to give, but these don't make me more positive to your candidacy:

"and oppose Kyoto," "vouchers," and "but not where it conflicts with national law".

Your other stances are good, though, so if Ihatevacations rejects my vote for some reason (hey, my vote is probably a liability on this conservativish forum), you may automatically claim it.

I announce my candidacy.

Stances:

Alright with Same-Sex Marriages
Anti-Abortion
Pro-Privacy
Pro-Legalization of Marijuana
Anti-Stricter Gun Control(call me a gun-nut if you want, but I don't view myself as that)
Anti-Affirmative Action(or whatever it is)
Pro-Free Trade
Supports International Law

Any questions, just ask.

It's mostly because I only have one vote to give, but these don't make me more positive to your candidacy:

"and oppose Kyoto," "vouchers," and "but not where it conflicts with national law".

Your other stances are good, though, so if Ihatevacations rejects my vote for some reason (hey, my vote is probably a liability on this conservativish forum), you may automatically claim it.

Thanks. However, I don't support vouchers only, but also higher funding for public institutions. And, the vouchers will be limited to non-religious private schools, for legal purposes. Kyoto needs to be retooled to cover the developing nations like China and India, and needs to give the US a little more time than Europe, but otherwise I'd support it.

The international law part still stands, however.

I announce my candidacy.

Stances:

Alright with Same-Sex Marriages
Anti-Abortion
Pro-Privacy
Pro-Legalization of Marijuana
Anti-Stricter Gun Control(call me a gun-nut if you want, but I don't view myself as that)
Anti-Affirmative Action(or whatever it is)
Pro-Free Trade
Supports International Law

Any questions, just ask.


Why do you think your stances are relevant here? Surely the job of the judiciary is to interpret the laws in the way they believe them to have been intended by the body that passed them, not to put their own pre-determined spin upon them, no?

so if Ihatevacations rejects my vote for some reason (hey, my vote is probably a liability on this conservativish forum), you may automatically claim it.
I don't think i can reject votes -_-. But how could your vote be any more of a liability than being me?

Why do you think your stances are relevant here? Surely the job of the judiciary is to interpret the laws in the way they believe them to have been intended by the body that passed them, not to put their own pre-determined spin upon them, no?

We have to be nominated, so we need people to know our stances to get endorsements. The total lack of any kind of law code makes it difficult to interpret them.

I announce my candidacy.

I am pro Beer.
I am pro Porn.
and I will legalize Marijuana.

:D :D :D

I announce my candidacy.

I am pro Beer.
I am pro Porn.
and I will legalize Marijuana.

:D :D :D

Hmm...one upsmanship. I am pro free Beer, free Porn, and free Marijuana! :p

We have to be nominated, so we need people to know our stances to get endorsements. The total lack of any kind of law code makes it difficult to interpret them.

So, basically the whole shebang will operate so that people can attempt to load the judiciary with people on 'their' side, rather than people who actually overtly display* some kind of ability at the role which they will be called upon to perform?



* This is not intended as an implication that you do not actually possess said ability.

Hmm...one upsmanship. I am pro free Beer, free Porn, and free Marijuana! :p...and I am pro originality :mp5: :sniper: :D :D :D

Hmm...one upsmanship. I am pro free Beer, free Porn, and free Marijuana! :p

Damnit, can't beat that...

So, basically the whole shebang will operate so that people can attempt to load the judiciary with people on 'their' side, rather than people who actually overtly display* some kind of ability at the role which they will be called upon to perform?

* This is [b]not[/i] intended as an implication that you do not actually possess said ability.

Hopefully not, but the lack of an executive branch to appoint judges will make it more likely to be politicized than otherwise. I personally would interpret the law when it exists and try to draw from others where it doesn't, but the heaviliy politicized nature of the current position makes me believe there will be problems with loading the court.

I agree the same, that the judges should up-hold the law, no matter their previous beliefs. I hope not for each party to get their own person in to represent them in law and perhaps protect them.

Oh what the heck ... if LG can do it, so can I.

Hat's in the ring ..

My political leanings:

http://www.herodote.net/Images/Trotsky.jpg + http://www.popartuk.com/g/l/lgLP0438.jpg

'nuff said.

I agree the same, that the judges should up-hold the law, no matter their previous beliefs. I hope not for each party to get their own person in to represent them in law and perhaps protect them.

I'm not in any party, so there's no worry of that. I don't think you are, either, but I'm not sure.

Ihatevacations']But how could your vote be any more of a liability than being me?

I was not always as mild mannered as I am today. :D

No, but really, I irk the conservatives here for some reason. Once, when I had to search for an old post of mine, I did an ego search and was quite surprised that I was (negatively) mentioned in threads I hadn't even participated in by certain people here. Sad, really, since I never mention them.

I'm not in any party, so there's no worry of that. I don't think you are, either, but I'm not sure.
Nope, not part of any party here.

No, but really, I irk the conservatives here for some reason.

It's because you're one of them icky nancy boys. ;)

I was not always as mild mannered as I am today. :D

No, but really, I irk the conservatives here for some reason. Once, when I had to search for an old post of mine, I did an ego search and was quite surprised that I was (negatively) mentioned in threads I hadn't even participated in by certain people here. Sad, really, since I never mention them.

Two big reasons:

1. You're from Scandinavia (those debauchees with their sexual and personal freedom) and even worse, from Europe (those Godless anti-American heathens)

2. You're not conservative yourself

It's because you're one of them icky nancy boys. ;)

I suppose I'm lucky that I still don't get why that's a bad thing.

I was not always as mild mannered as I am today. :D

No, but really, I irk the conservatives here for some reason. Once, when I had to search for an old post of mine, I did an ego search and was quite surprised that I was (negatively) mentioned in threads I hadn't even participated in by certain people here. Sad, really, since I never mention them.
What's funny those is so far I am the only person to have gotten a vote and I entered because I wouldn't get elected. Go go gadget irony

I suppose I'm lucky that I still don't get why that's a bad thing.

What ... you haven't heard Fred Phelps? He's oooh sooooo convincing ... *coff*

1. You're from Scandinavia (those debauchees with their sexual and personal freedom)

Oh, I wish that were true.

2. You're not conservative yourself

Thank heavens that is! ;)

What ... you haven't heard Fred Phelps? He's oooh sooooo convincing ... *coff*

Especially with the child abuse, drug abuse, and ethics violations while working as a lawyer. :rolleyes:

What ... you haven't heard Fred Phelps? He's oooh sooooo convincing ... *coff*

godhatessweden.com

I'm doubly blessed by his hate! :D

I'm not in any party, so there's no worry of that. I don't think you are, either, but I'm not sure.

Nope, not part of any party here.

Party time baby... :D


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Vote for me...I can set the party on fire ;)

Oh, I wish that were true.
Thank heavens that is! ;)

Wait...does that mean you're not a godless debauchee?

No, you shouldn't thank heaven. In the most conservative regions of 'merica, being liberal=going to hell. :rolleyes:

Wait...does that mean you're not a godless debauchee?

Oh, I am, I just meant that it's kind of sad that we're not as debauched as they think we are.

No, you shouldn't thank heaven. In the most conservative regions of 'merica, being liberal=going to hell. :rolleyes:

Jesus was liberal, so there! The Wizard in the Sky is on my side. At least he is when I'm baked... :p

Oh, I am, I just meant that it's kind of sad that we're not as debauched as they think we are.

Well, debauched to them means stopping the government from telling you how to live your life and giving everyone equal rights to marriage.

Jesus was liberal, so there! The Wizard in the Sky is on my side. At least he is when I'm baked... :p

You'd be on the fast track to teh Hell in their eyes. Keep away from the South and stick to the West Coast to be safest. I know I will when I get the chance. :cool:

Well, debauched to them means stopping the government from telling you how to live your life and giving everyone equal rights to marriage.

Our government doesn't tell us how to live our lives? We're the nanny state! But I get what you're pointing at.

You'd be on the fast track to teh Hell in their eyes. Keep away from the South and stick to the West Coast to be safest. I know I will when I get the chance. :cool:

Now, now, Houston is a nice place. Most of Texas would be, if, you know, they weren't so hell-bent (hah!) on killing people.

Our government doesn't tell us how to live our lives? We're the nanny state! But I get what you're pointing at.

Personal life; the government pays for the other stuff so you don't have to worry about it as much. :cool:


Now, now, Houston is a nice place. Most of Texas would be, if, you know, they weren't so hell-bent (hah!) on killing people.

Houston and Austin are, but I always think of Yazoo City and Smut Eye when the Deep South is mentioned. I'd still rather be in Northern Europe; they've got great economies, low unemployment, all of the benefits, and less restrictions. Plus, the Northern Europeans have great bathhouses, one of my particular interests.

Do I have to wear anything under the robe?

Do I have to wear anything under the robe?

Only me. :fluffle:

Do I have to wear anything under the robe?

Oooh...we wern't actually planning on wearing any robes...

I'm not going to wear anything, and I'll use my monstrous man-shaft as a gavel.

I'm not going to wear anything, and I'll use my monstrous man-shaft as a gavel.

May I serve as the little wooden thing* the gavel strikes?

*Well, what do you know! They're called "sound blocks." (http://www.gavelstore.com/custom.html) Oh, I'll make sounds, alright! :cool:

May I serve as the little wooden thing the gavel strikes?

Fine, but only on weekdays. I have to rest it or I could get priapisms.

Oh, and try not to get anything on the defendants. It might get a little rough, and I don't want everything recorded.

Maybe the Mods should be the judges? They could implement all kinds of stuff, and when a debate gets out of hand, they can hand out punishment...

Fine, but only on weekdays. I have to rest it or I could get priapisms.

Aye, with me around, the risk of priapism is large indeed, though I do orally deflate the tumescence quite effectively.

Oh, and try not to get anything on the defendants. It might get a little rough, and I don't want everything recorded.

Not to worry. Digestion will be impeccably implemented.

Aye, with me around, the risk of priapism is large indeed, though I do orally deflate the tumescence quite effectively.

Hmm, I suppose testing is in order. There can be some difficulties with putting such a large object in your mouth...

Not to worry. Digestion will be impeccably implemented.

Good, although I still think we should wear white robes to be safe. Or even better, towels.

Hmm, I suppose testing is in order. There can be some difficulties with putting such a large object in your mouth...

My upper alimentary organ is quite distensible, and I have yet to come across anything that's too engorged to fit there. Not to put the size of your equipment, or the distensibility of the lower organ into question, obviously.

Good, although I still think we should wear white robes to be safe. Or even better, towels.

Latex (or vinyl, for those prone to allergy) is otherwise a very slick material suitable for our needs.

Wasn't capital punishment abolished in a vote? I seem to recall a vote, at least...
It was retained, actually.

It was retained, actually.

Figures for this forum. :rolleyes:

Figures for this forum. :rolleyes:
Yes, I was quite proud of the rest of parliament.

Yes, I was quite proud of the rest of parliament.

My point exactly.

I would like to commend you all for metamorphing this thread from what weirdness it was into a homoerotic fantasy

Ihatevacations']I would like to commend you all for metamorphing this thread from what weirdness it was into a homoerotic fantasy

Not that herculean a feat, actually, as most things can very easily be turned into homoerotic fantasies.

Maybe the Mods should be the judges? They could implement all kinds of stuff, and when a debate gets out of hand, they can hand out punishment...
That will be nothing less than martial law... :D

Vote for Tomzilla if you don't want threads turned into homoerotic fantasies!

Oh what the heck ... if LG can do it, so can I.

Hat's in the ring ..

My political leanings:

http://www.herodote.net/Images/Trotsky.jpg + http://www.popartuk.com/g/l/lgLP0438.jpg

'nuff said.

I nominate Keruvalia for the Supreme Court.

Since it's very difficult to acquire three nominations, all you simply have to do now is post your name and if you are a member of a party post that. Then you will appear on a poll and we will just have elimination voting rounds. That'll make it easier.


OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT:
YOU MUST ANNOUNCE YOUR CANDIDACY BY TUESDAY AT 12:00 AM GMT

Again, I announce my candidacy:

Name: Vetalia

Party Mambership: I do not belong to any parties

Only me. :fluffle:

Do I get a sling to carry you in?

Nomination:Me
Party:Seven Days a week Baby!(MOBRA)
Political Leanings:Oppressive Happy State
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