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DNA Test Subject: "Then I was like, Oh my God, that's me!" LOL!

Eutrusca
30-07-2005, 16:44
COMMENTARY: Anyone with half an ounce of sense has now realized that we are all brothers and sisters under the skin, but there are still some who think they possess some sort of "racial purity." Wrong! DNA testing shows how almost all of us, black and white and all shades in between are mutts! :D


Debunking the Concept of 'Race' (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/30/opinion/30sat4.html?th&emc=th)


Published: July 30, 2005
Black Americans who explore their family histories typically hit a dead end in the early 19th century, when black Americans who were slaves were not listed in the census by name. Now some black Americans are trying to fill in the gap with genetic screening tests that purport to tell descendants exactly where in Africa their ancestors came from. But, like most people, those who think of themselves as African-American will need to search well beyond Africa to find all of their origins.

This point came through with resounding clarity recently at Pennsylvania State University, where about 90 students took complex genetic screening tests that compared their samples with those of four regional groups. Many of these students thought of themselves as "100 percent" white or black or something else, but only a tiny fraction of them, as it turned out, actually fell into that category. Most learned instead that they shared genetic markers with people of different skin colors.

Ostensibly "black" subjects, for example, found that as much as half of their genetic material came from Europe, with some coming from Asia as well. One "white" student learned that 14 percent of his DNA came from Africa - and 6 percent from East Asia. The student told The Daily Collegian, the student newspaper, earlier this year: "When I got my results I was like, there's no way they were mine. I thought it was just an example of what the test was supposed to look like. Then I was like, Oh my God, that's me."

Prof. Samuel Richards, who teaches a course in race and ethnic relations at Penn State, uses the test results to shake students out of rigid and received notions about the biological basis of identity. By showing students that they aren't what they think they are, he shows them that race and ethnicity are more fluid and complex than most of us think. The goal is to make students less prejudiced and more open to a deeper discussion of humanity. If the genetic testing fad pushes things in this direction, it will have served an important purpose in a world that too often thinks of racial labels as absolute - and the last word when it comes to human identity.
Bolol
30-07-2005, 16:55
I could've told you that. Now if we can just convince those Neo-Nazis in Northern Idaho...
Eutrusca
30-07-2005, 17:16
I could've told you that. Now if we can just convince those Neo-Nazis in Northern Idaho...
Sigh. That's a losing battle. Just file it in the folder labeled, "None so blind as those who will not see." :(
Laerod
30-07-2005, 17:20
Hey, I'd be happy if we could convince Gessler of this.
Eutrusca
30-07-2005, 17:21
Hey, I'd be happy if we could convince Gessler of this.
Um ... "Gessler?" [ puzzled look ] :confused:
Laerod
30-07-2005, 17:33
Um ... "Gessler?" [ puzzled look ] :confused:
He's new. Look for the Hitler Misunderstood thread by him or check out his posts on the Poem on Abortion or Europe Dying threads...
Robot ninja pirates
30-07-2005, 19:14
Most people already knew this. However, those who didn't will simply ignore this. There is no convincing some people.
Eutrusca
30-07-2005, 19:20
He's new. Look for the Hitler Misunderstood thread by him or check out his posts on the Poem on Abortion or Europe Dying threads...
Oh yeah. HIM! Groan! :(
Eutrusca
30-07-2005, 19:21
Most people already knew this. However, those who didn't will simply ignore this. There is no convincing some people.
True. Very sad, but true. :(
Colodia
30-07-2005, 19:28
Oh yeah. HIM! Groan! :(
Yeaaahh...most people don't jump up and say "GROAN!" :D

It's *groan* ;)

EDIT: And I'm already half and half, so ...there!
Eutrusca
30-07-2005, 19:46
Yeaaahh...most people don't jump up and say "GROAN!" :D

It's *groan* ;)

EDIT: And I'm already half and half, so ...there!
LOL! I know. I know. I have this marked tendency for overstatment. So sue me! :D

I'm a "mutt" too, and damned proud of it! Mutts are almost always stronger, healthier, smarter and live longer! :D
Neo Rogolia
30-07-2005, 19:49
LOL! I know. I know. I have this marked tendency for overstatment. So sue me! :D

I'm a "mutt" too, and damned proud of it! Mutts are almost always stronger, healthier, smarter and live longer! :D



Aryan/Slavic/Cherokee/Mediterranean/Anglo-Saxon pride!!!!!!
Eutrusca
30-07-2005, 19:50
Aryan/Slavic/Cherokee/Mediterranean/Anglo-Saxon pride!!!!!!
Yeah! Damned straight! :D
Angry Fruit Salad
30-07-2005, 20:21
Now I don't feel so bad about refusing to fill out the "Race/Ethnicity" section on surveys and standardized tests...
Eutrusca
30-07-2005, 20:29
Now I don't feel so bad about refusing to fill out the "Race/Ethnicity" section on surveys and standardized tests...
Unless I can see some real cogent reason for that section, I politely suggest they go perform an impossible act upon their own bodies. :D
Lunatic Goofballs
30-07-2005, 20:51
I can hear it now. Racists will insist that the 'races' be kept purer than ever because of the ease of which they can get 'tainted'. :rolleyes:

The modern races are obsolete. That's why they are going away. Who knows? Maybe new ones will take shape reflecting environmental extremes.
Neo Rogolia
30-07-2005, 20:56
I can hear it now. Racists will insist that the 'races' be kept purer than ever because of the ease of which they can get 'tainted'. :rolleyes:

The modern races are obsolete. That's why they are going away. Who knows? Maybe new ones will take shape reflecting environmental extremes.



I guess this means they'll have to move the goalposts from Pure Aryan/Non-Aryan to White/Black or something.
Dobbsworld
30-07-2005, 22:04
Maybe new ones will take shape reflecting environmental extremes.
What, like the old ones used to. Inevitable and invariable, provided mobility is hindered to a great extent.

Certain characteristics outed in areas on the basis of suitability - be those epicanthic folds, toe-webbing, curled hair strands, hooded proboscii, relative amounts of melanin, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Take away mobility - i.e. restrict movement of populations, and again you'll see, from populations living in isolation, certain characteristics best suited to local conditions will prevail.
Undelia
30-07-2005, 22:06
Take away mobility - i.e. restrict movement of populations, and again you'll see, from populations living in isolation, certain characteristics best suited to local conditions will prevail.
Not with modern medicine.
Dobbsworld
30-07-2005, 22:11
Not with modern medicine.
Undoubtedly so. I hadn't factored in populations in isolation retaining standard levels of modern medical care.

Might the availability of modern medicine not also be construed as forming part of the 'local conditions' I referred to?
Undelia
30-07-2005, 22:17
Might the availability of modern medicine not also be construed as forming part of the 'local conditions' I referred to?
More than likely. If the areas are as isolated as they were thousands of years ago, even the process of creating and transporting plastics (crucial to modern medicine) becomes difficult.