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It's so large and so dim, that it has been dubbed "Limbaugh."

But seriously folks...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/07/29/state/n161943D30.DTL&type=science

damn poor memory, but i thought they have already come out with news that they found several planet like objects outside our currently known solar system

Yeah, but those are orbiting OTHER suns. This planet orbits ours. A

s far as prior objects found in the outer reaches of OUR solar system, they have all, till now, been smaller than Pluto, and as such are not considered planets.

Yeah, but those are orbiting OTHER suns. This planet orbits ours. A

s far as prior objects found in the outer reaches of OUR solar system, they have all, till now, been smaller than Pluto, and as such are not considered planets.


Oh I C... yeah I meant our solar system smartass! :p

So ... is this "Sedna", "Planet X", or "Nemesis" now?
I thought i read about this in Discover a while back. Sedna methinks.

I heard a similar claim when I was in grade 2. Turned out to be false.

A few small planetoids have been found in the past few months, "Sedna" and "Quaoar," maybe that's what he was thinking of.

I thought there was some debate as to whether Pluto was even a planet?

I thought there was some debate as to whether Pluto was even a planet?

There is.

There is.

yup.

There is, but it's really just a semantics argument started up by people that want attention. It really doesn't matter, because we'll just have to make up a definition for a planet that's more precise anyway.

Regardless of the status of Pluto being a planet or not or if this is a planet or not, this pretty neat though. I was pretty excited when I seen pictures of Titan, the first time we ever got pictures from the surface of a moon besides ours. It's too bad the sunlight is extremely dim on Pluto, I would love to see pictures from it's super cold surface.

Regardless of the status of Pluto being a planet or not or if this is a planet or not, this pretty neat though. I was pretty excited when I seen pictures of Titan, the first time we ever got pictures from the surface of a moon besides ours. It's too bad the sunlight is extremely dim on Pluto, I would love to see pictures from it's super cold surface.

I'd be more interested in another Venus probe myself, followed by subsurface exploration of Europa, Charon, and Pluto (possibly all 3 have a subsurface ocean)

followed by subsurface exploration of Europa, Charon, and Pluto (possibly all 3 have a subsurface ocean)

Not the last two. Your looking at a place where in the winter (which due to its screwy orbit lasts about 3/4 of the year) it gets cold enough to freeze nitrogen :(

Europa does look increidibly interesting though.

Not the last two. Your looking at a place where in the winter it gets cold enough to freeze nitrogen :(

Europa does look increidibly interesting though.

It's possible that tidal heating thawed the interior of Charon, and Pluto could have a thick enough ice layer to keep the interior liquid. That being said, Europa is far more certain.

It's possible that tidal heating thawed the interior of Charon, and Pluto could have a thick enough ice layer to keep the interior liquid. That being said, Europa is far more certain.

'Fraid not! Pluto and Charon are tidally locked, meaning that there are no tidal forces between them. Pluto really isnt that big either, the entire land area is the size of Alaska, and being out on the edge its never had very much heat or water. If there is a liquid ocean underneath Pluto's surface, it will most likely be something like liquid oxygen (though that would be very cool in its own right :D )

'Fraid not! Pluto and Charon are tidally locked, meaning that there are no tidal forces between them. Pluto really isnt that big either, the entire land area is the size of Alaska, and being out on the edge its never had very much heat or water. If there is a liquid ocean underneath Pluto's surface, it will most likely be something like liquid oxygen (though that would be very cool in its own right :D )

I didn't know that. I guess Charon is out, but Pluto might have one if there is some kind of internal heat source; otherwise, it's impossible.

I always found liquid metallic hydrogen to be the coolest. :D

Jupiter would be interesting, because there is a "room temperature" region (around 300k) with water clouds and moderate pressure (5 atm. I think).

i was under the impression that pluto was only cosidered a planet cause it was discovered by Americans... (only one by them, right?) and it was already smaller than many asteroids we had already found - whether they were in the oort clouds or just outside mars im not sure tho...

I didn't know that. I guess Charon is out, but Pluto might have one if there is some kind of internal heat source; otherwise, it's impossible.

I always found liquid metallic hydrogen to be the coolest. :D

Jupiter would be interesting, because there is a "room temperature" region (around 300k) with water clouds and moderate pressure (5 atm. I think).


The Jupiter system is very interesting, I mean one of the ice moons, Ganymede i think, is bigger than Mercury, and the other three main ones (Europa, Castillo(sp?) and Io) are each bigger than our own moon.

Did you know about the water clouds in Venus' upper atmosphere? Similar conditions to the Jupiter clouds I think...

i was under the impression that pluto was only cosidered a planet cause it was discovered by Americans... (only one by them, right?) and it was already smaller than many asteroids we had already found - whether they were in the oort clouds or just outside mars im not sure tho...

Pluto is considered a planet (in my view) because it was discovered while we were looking for a planet. After we discvoered Neptune, we noticed strange wobbles in its orbit, so straight away people said that it was due to the gravity of another planet outside its orbit. Some years later we found Pluto, and we called it the 9th planet. It has since been found out that the wobbles in Neptunes orbit were in fact not true, and were caused by faulty equipment and calculations, since plutos mass is too small to affect Neptune anyway.

Oh for future reference, the Oort cloud is way beyond Pluto. You have the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, then another one called the Kuiper belt beyond Neptune, then the Oort cloud which defines the accepted limit of our solar system.

The Jupiter system is very interesting, I mean one of the ice moons, Ganymede i think, is bigger than Mercury, and the other three main ones (Europa, Castillo(sp?) and Io) are each bigger than our own moon.

Did you know about the water clouds in Venus' upper atmosphere? Similar conditions to the Jupiter clouds I think...

It's Callisto.:)

I didn't know about water clouds, but did read about the discovery of carbonyl sulfide in the upper atmosphere where it's about 343K (or 158 F), which is a possible sign of life.

It's Callisto.:)

I didn't know about water clouds, but did read about the discovery of carbonyl sulfide in the upper atmosphere where it's about 343K (or 158 F), which is a possible sign of life.

(Thanks for the correction, it would have bugged me as to whether it was right or not. :) )

Yes i remember that, its supposed to decay really quickly or something, so the only way it could be there is if something like lifeforms are producing it, a bit like the methane in Mars' atmosphere.

The Pittiless Technocracy of Reidenvaal reminds other members that this so-called newly discovered planet is, and has always been, the sovereign territory of Reidenvaal.

Trespassers will be charged a landing fee of 100 Desmos per capita.

Anyone unable to pay will be put to work making pies. Anyone refusing to make pies will have a foot chopped off, and will still have to make pies.

(Thanks for the correction, it would have bugged me as to whether it was right or not. :) )

Yes i remember that, its supposed to decay really quickly or something, so the only way it could be there is if something like lifeforms are producing it, a bit like the methane in Mars' atmosphere.

No problem. ;)

It requires a catalyst to produce without considerable energy, and on Earth that catalyst is microbes; COS is almost impossible to produce via inorganic chemistry.

I wonder where Titan's methane comes from, and in such abundance, given the more or less improbability of life?

The Pittiless Technocracy of Reidenvaal reminds other members that this so-called newly discovered planet is, and has always been, the sovereign territory of Reidenvaal.

Trespassers will be charged a landing fee of 100 Desmos per capita.

Anyone unable to pay will be put to work making pies. Anyone refusing to make pies will have a foot chopped off, and will still have to make pies.


:rolleyes: I see...and these would be foot pies then? It just seems efficient to me...

:rolleyes: I see...and these would be foot pies then? It just seems efficient to me...

Wendy's already has a trademark on those.

No problem. ;)

It requires a catalyst to produce without considerable energy, and on Earth that catalyst is microbes; COS is almost impossible to produce via inorganic chemistry.

I wonder where Titan's methane comes from, and in such abundance, given the more or less improbability of life?

I think its something to do with temperature. Most of the planets would have got a fair amount of methane when they formed, but it all boils off eventually. Since Titan is in deep-freeze, its cool enough to go liquid and slosh about on the surface.
The thing with Mars is that it should have all boiled away, but theres still traces of it there. Again, CH4 is almost impossible to produce without the action of decomposing organic matter.

I do believe that this is accurate! If it is accurate, so much for have 9 planets though right now, pluto is being challenged constently so who knows :D

So ... is this "Sedna", "Planet X", or "Nemesis" now?
I thought i read about this in Discover a while back. Sedna methinks.
Sedna's old news and smaller than Pluto. This one hasn't been named yet, and they're pretty sure it's bigger than Pluto:

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/newplanet-072905.html

Personally, I think they should name it Yuggoth.

edit:

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/123938main_newplanet-concept516-387.jpg
Image above: This artist's concept shows the planet catalogued as 2003UB313 at the lonely outer fringes of our solar system. Our Sun can be seen in the distance. The new planet, which is yet to be formally named, is at least as big as Pluto and about three times farther away from the Sun than Pluto. It is very cold and dark. The planet was discovered by the Samuel Oschin Telescope at the Palomar Observatory near San Diego, Calif., on Jan. 8, 2005. Image credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech

SO this is what, the tenth one they've found this year?

It's so large and so dim, that it has been dubbed "Limbaugh."

But seriously folks...

Thanks, Gymoor. I needed a laugh to start.

But this is exciting news. I wonder what the proposed name is? Anyone care to speculate?

*edit: oh, Hack beat me to it - damn my hunt-and-peck typing!

I think they should name it Yuggoth.

But this is exciting news. I wonder what the proposed name is?
Heh. "2003UB313" isn't very inspiring, they need a cool name.

Or "Bob". I think it would be neat to have a planet named "Bob".

Heh. "2003UB313" isn't very inspiring, they need a cool name.

Or "Bob". I think it would be neat to have a planet named "Bob".

Like in that Piece of crap Cartoon space movie? 'Titan A.E.' or something? I might be confusing it with some other space movie, but at the end they make 'Planet Bob AKA Earth 2'.

A friend of mine suggests Orgasmia. I'd like to add the subtitle "planet of pleasure" to the full name of it.

"Bob" would sure rock my socks, I will agree. But the slightly-less Subgenius part of my brain tells me to go it traditional. Something nice and Classic.

So... (no drum roll, this is an anticlimax) How about Iapetus, father of Prometheus, the Titan who gave humanity fire?

It certainly has taken us a lot of fire getting to the point where we could find the blessed thing...

*edit: what a letdown that was. Oh well, at least I cheated myself.

"Bob" would sure rock my socks, I will agree. But the slightly-less Subgenius part of my brain tells me to go it traditional. Something nice and Classic.

So... (no drum roll, this is an anticlimax) How about Iapetus, father of Prometheus, the Titan who gave humanity fire?

It certainly has taken us a lot of fire getting to the point where we could find the blessed thing...

*edit: what a letdown that was. Oh well, at least I cheated myself.

Classical eh? How about Robertus.

Like in that Piece of crap Cartoon space movie? 'Titan A.E.' or something? I might be confusing it with some other space movie, but at the end they make 'Planet Bob AKA Earth 2'.
So it would seem. From Wiki: "The film ends with Akima and Cale standing upon their newly-created world. Akima wants to name it New Earth, while Cale suggests naming it "Planet Bob"."

How about that. I've never even seen that film.

Like in that Piece of crap Cartoon space movie? 'Titan A.E.' or something? I might be confusing it with some other space movie, but at the end they make 'Planet Bob AKA Earth 2'.

No, like "Bob". Bob Dobbs. J.R. "Bob" Dobbs. Here:

http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/pics9/dobbsheads-TN/_-1truedobbshead-grayscale.htm

He's the one smoking the pipe. Or so he thinks... it's secretly smoking him.

www.subgenius.com

check it out!

What about Scandi, Goddess of hunting, to give a real name? or switch from the Roman theme, (even though Scandi is Norse) and call it Esus (those that RP FT on the other subforums should get this), or... erm Set, and go all Egyptian on it.

Classical eh? How about Robertus.
Oddly enough, that'd work just fine with me.

How about Nirn?

Hey, can we have a poll or something?

*edit: How about it, Gymoor?

Hey, can we have a poll or something?
Sure, why not.

What about Scandi, Goddess of hunting, to give a real name? or switch from the Roman theme, (even though Scandi is Norse) and call it Esus (those that RP FT on the other subforums should get this), or... erm Set, and go all Egyptian on it.
Well, a Roman deity would certainly fit the standard for planetary naming in our system. Granted, I still like 'Yuggoth', but I doubt it's particularly likely, unless the guys who found it are Lovecraft fans.

Then again, since they went Inuit (I think) for Sedna, I doubt it's likely we'll get a Roman name.

Well, a Roman deity would certainly fit the standard for planetary naming in our system. Granted, I still like 'Yuggoth', but I doubt it's particularly likely, unless the guys who found it are Lovecraft fans.

Then again, since they went Inuit (I think) for Sedna, I doubt it's likely we'll get a Roman name.

I think people can't be bothered looking up the lesser known Roman deities for planets, all the main and common minor ones are taken for the planets and the moons, and I'm sure that there's a few Greek ones thrown in as well. But I think that Egyptian is the way to go now, as they have cool deities. The planet Horus, of the Isis system... such cool names. If I can't get that, I support Yuggoth, but only IF.

Hey, can we have a poll or something?

*edit: How about it, Gymoor?

WOrking on it now...

oops, beaten to the punch.

My suggestion (with thanks to Futurama): Urectum. Heh

Also Nox (Goddess of the night/daughter of Chaos) would be good, and it would keep it classical too.

Nirn for the win! The Elder Scrolls series rocks!

WOrking on it now...
Beat ya to it. ;)

*tinkling piano music accompaniment*

Who will they pick? Who shall it be-e-e?
What's the name to grace the newest place in the ga-a-lax-y-y-y?

*mugs lizard-like for the milling bored audience*

Unh, thank you.

*music ends abruptly*

I vote for Yuggoth.

Beat ya to it. ;)

Thlbbbqtttt! :p

I vote for Yuggoth.

Suprise! Never would have seen it coming. :p

Esus for the win.

Suprise! Never would have seen it coming. :p

Here I was thinking that someone named HP Lovecraft would want to name it Happyfluffybunnyland.

Ooo! How about Ry'leh?

Ooo! How about Ry'leh?
Nah, that's a location on Earth. Yuggoth's a planet. Hmm... perhaps Tindalos!

Then we could run into the Hounds!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v251/Tindalos/chibihoundsmall.jpg

Lest ye not forget, "Bob" isn't just a God, he's a Sex God. In the pan-sexual sense. And he's got that mysterious pipe, impossibly floating in from of those clenched teeth of his.

And he's made of dots.

Put that in your pipes and smoke it.

*coughs*

Hmmm, no one's even touched Urectum yet...

Nah, that's a location on Earth.


I know, but it still sounds cool.

Hmmm, no one's even touched Urectum yet...

How would you know that? ;)

I say we name it persephone, after pluto's wife. :D

Any of the following names:
Mar Sara
Chau Sara
Char
Aiur
Earth 2
Irk

The Irken would be insulted by having some tiny rock huddled on the edge of this solar system named after their glorious homeworld.

"Your legs are stupid!"

Well, all the other planets are named after powerful people (yes, that includes Earth - translation of Gaia), so I'm going for Nyarlathotep. Mainly because it's more pronounceable than Cthulhu.

Plus, I think the Crawling Chaos from the Stars would like having a dark planet from which to observe Earth.

Well, all the other planets are named after powerful people (yes, that includes Earth - translation of Gaia), so I'm going for Nyarlathotep. Mainly because it's more pronounceable than Cthulhu.

Plus, I think the Crawling Chaos from the Stars would like having a dark planet from which to observe Earth.

Yeah, but that'll ruin the property values.

You know, I think I caught a case of Crawling Chaos from the Stars once while travelling.

Remember to wear a jimmy, kids.

Leonstar?

Or Tyr maybe, like the Norse god. Enough with the Romans already.

I don't care what they call it as long as I can pronounce it. I mean Quaoar? Wtf?

Some more info (http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0507/29planet/)

I don't care what they call it as long as I can pronounce it. I mean Quaoar? Wtf?

Some more info (http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0507/29planet/)

The very word sounds dirty.

Let's hope it's not the home of the dreaded Cybermen!

The astronomer discoverers have been throwing "Xena," around the office, according to the AP, because "We've always wanted to name something 'Xena'."

The astronomer discoverers have been throwing "Xena," around the office, according to the AP, because "We've always wanted to name something 'Xena'."

I'm in favor of bi-curious female action heroes in general.

No contest.
Ice Planet Zero or Gamalon

Ok, so there is a small contest.

Set! Egyptian God of Chaos! It's sooo cool.

Set! Egyptian God of Chaos! It's sooo cool.

Yeah, but then the inhabitants would be called "Setters."

No Irish people would ever move there.

Set! Egyptian God of Chaos! It's sooo cool.Considering that Set was the model for Satan, I don't think this will be a popular option.

"Bob" would sure rock my socks, I will agree. But the slightly-less Subgenius part of my brain tells me to go it traditional. Something nice and Classic.

So... (no drum roll, this is an anticlimax) How about Iapetus, father of Prometheus, the Titan who gave humanity fire?

It certainly has taken us a lot of fire getting to the point where we could find the blessed thing...

*edit: what a letdown that was. Oh well, at least I cheated myself.


Iapetus is taken. They used that for one of Saturn's moons. I'm thinking either Apollo, or we rename Charon Proserpina and give Charon to Planet X, then if we ever discover it has a satellite, we can call its moon Cerberus. what do you think?

They should call the planet Urectum.


I would like to thank Futurama for that one.

EDIT: If it has satilites, they should be called Herpes or Gonorrea.

They should call the planet Urectum.


I would like to thank Futurama for that one.

EDIT: If it has satilites, they should be called Herpes or Gonorrea.

Beat you to it, I already mentioned Urectum twice (shame on you for commenting before RTFT.)

The naming of a celestial body is done by a committee. Submissions are made to it and the appropriate one is selected. The nomanclature is specific.
For example, the features on Venus are pretty well all named after women. (A good example is on Mars where there is Olympus Mons. Someone suggested to name a similar looking feature on Venus as Venera Mons!! LOL)
Moons generally have something to do with the god that the planet was named after, and the planet is named after either Roman or Greek god.

Moons generally have something to do with the god that the planet was named after,
Except in the case of Saturn, where most of the moons are named after Shakespearian characters (Puck, Oberon, Titania etc.).

Whatever happened to Nibiru? Was that contingent upon a Marduk?

My vote would be Janus, God of Doors, since this would mark the gateway from the solar system to the outer universe. Shame they wasted it on a moon of Saturn. Let's rename that.

I say we name it persephone, after pluto's wife. :D

Excellent idea, plus Persephone means "destroyer of the light" It's really far out there, almost devoid of light from the sun.

Another idea is to name is Korhal and then nuke it to hell, leading to an uprising here on earth....

I'll put my vote in for Macbeth, darkest of Shakespearean tragedies. (If Saturn can do it, so can this planet)

Btw, didn't they find two new planets in our solar system back in 1995/96 that were supposed to be bigger than Jupiter? Or are those the planetoids mentioned earlier?

Whatever happened to Nibiru?
According to the new age-books my mom reads, Nibiru is supposed to be the 11th planet, and larger than earth. :p

So ... is this "Sedna", "Planet X", or "Nemesis" now?
I thought i read about this in Discover a while back. Sedna methinks.

Sedna was a big hunk of rock thought to be the furthest orbiting object of our star.

Planet X was thought to be a huge-ass gas giant orbiting beyond Neptune and pulling Uranus into its weird orbit.

Nemsis is the sun's supposed twin, a dim brown dwarf with an extreme eliptical orbit.

Iapetus is taken. They used that for one of Saturn's moons. I'm thinking either Apollo, or we rename Charon Proserpina and give Charon to Planet X, then if we ever discover it has a satellite, we can call its moon Cerberus. what do you think?


I think Apollo would be a great name, but for a cool planet, not this hunk of rock, I think we should call the next inhabitable planet Apollo

How about his twin sister instead - Artemis? Are there any planets/sattelites named after her or her Roman counterpart Diana?
And we should try to redress the gender balance somewhat

I mean Male-named planets are
Mercury
Mars
Jupiter
Saturn
Neptune
Pluto

Female planets are
Venus and Gaia/Earth

I'll put my vote in for Macbeth, darkest of Shakespearean tragedies. (If Saturn can do it, so can this planet)

Btw, didn't they find two new planets in our solar system back in 1995/96 that were supposed to be bigger than Jupiter? Or are those the planetoids mentioned earlier?

The bigger-than Jupiter planets are all extra-solar. If another gas giant had been found in our solar system, then there would be no debate as to whether there was a new planet or not and all the textbooks would be changed.

According to the new age-books my mom reads, Nibiru is supposed to be the 11th planet, and larger than earth. :p
What sort of new age books? Are they from zecharias sitchin?

Oh, and is she single? :D