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Have any of you guys seen this bumper-sticker?

nah people around here dont need that kind of bumper sticker, they live with the real threat that a wolf will attack their children. no one cares about dead elk.

Wolves are unlikely to attack people. As far as I can recall, there have been no wolf attacks on humans except if the animal is rabid.

More accurate would be "Kill a (human) hunter, save 100 elk."

Wolves are unlikely to attack people. As far as I can recall, there have been no wolf attacks on humans except if the animal is rabid.

More accurate would be "Kill a (human) hunter, save 100 elk."

Or "kill an elk, save 1,000,000 blades of grass."

Or "kill an elk, save 1,000,000 blades of grass."

:-D Even better!

Screw it.

Kill the grass. :)

Or "kill an elk, save 1,000,000 blades of grass."
Kill a blade of grass, save some photons.

Wolves are unlikely to attack people. As far as I can recall, there have been no wolf attacks on humans except if the animal is rabid.

More accurate would be "Kill a (human) hunter, save 100 elk."
im sure that is very comforting to the rancher who shot a wolf in his yard. it was threatening his dog not his kids. the losses of calves to wolves has been so alarming that they are considering requiring that ranchers do constant patrol of their land to remove any downed cattle before the wolves can find them. ranches here are huge. not a good solution.

Or "kill an elk, save 1,000,000 blades of grass."

And do you know that the millions of blades of grass produce thousands of cubic feet of oxygen? Desperately needed oxygen, considering the deforestation of the Amazon basin. Kill an elk, save the world.

Kill a blade of grass, save some photons.

Kill a photon, save some weird vibrating one dimentional strings. I don't know, I'm not too savvy when it comes to theoretical physics.

im sure that is very comforting to the rancher who shot a wolf in his yard. it was threatening his dog not his kids. the losses of calves to wolves has been so alarming that they are considering requiring that ranchers do constant patrol of their land to remove any downed cattle before the wolves can find them. ranches here are huge. not a good solution.

Kill a rancher, save some wolves. :)

im sure that is very comforting to the rancher who shot a wolf in his yard. it was threatening his dog not his kids. the losses of calves to wolves has been so alarming that they are considering requiring that ranchers do constant patrol of their land to remove any downed cattle before the wolves can find them. ranches here are huge. not a good solution.

You originally said that wolves attack children, or that people are afraid they will, NOT that people had livestock being attacked.

I've studied wolves, and again, it's very unlikely that wolves will attack humans -- generally speaking, unless you've a wolf-dog hybrid or a cub someone thought would be fun to raise like a dog. Wolves are not likely to even SHOW themselves to humans.

A single wolf would be very unlikely to be able to bring down a cow of any size unless the cow were already ill.

In summary........

Kill a hunter, save 10 wolfs.

Kill a wolf, save 100 gazelle.

Kill a gazelle, save 1,000,000 peices of grass and thus the world.

Kill a peice of grass, save some photons.

Kill a photon, save a bunch of wierd one-dimensional string things.

That's an awful lot of killing to do in one day.

which is MORE endangered, wolves or elk?
I don't see the point of killing wolves to save elk, if wolves are endangered and elk aren't. Or vice versa.

We used to have the tasmanian tiger, which was hunted to extenction. Mostly because it looks like some sort of devil-wolf. Ugly as it was, I'm sad it's gone.

I'm all in favour of hunting. Go for it. If you really want to shoot an animal, fly to somewhere that the animal needs culling, and help out. Have an experienced hunter there with you, if you're not experienced, so the animal can be finished off cleanly if you don't manage. As long as it doesn't needlessly suffer, and the culling is for the good of the animals overall, then I have no objections.

I'm less happy with killing wolves because we don't want them stealing our cattle. I like the solution of bringing in the downed cattle, rather than going after the wolves.

Wolves - they're our future!

In summary........

Kill a hunter, save 10 wolfs.

Kill a wolf, save 100 gazelle.

Kill a gazelle, save 1,000,000 peices of grass and thus the world.

Kill a peice of grass, save some photons.

Kill a photon, save a bunch of wierd one-dimensional string things.

That's an awful lot of killing to do in one day.

Great way to kill time, though. :)

You originally said that wolves attack children, or that people are afraid they will, NOT that people had livestock being attacked.

I've studied wolves, and again, it's very unlikely that wolves will attack humans -- generally speaking, unless you've a wolf-dog hybrid or a cub someone thought would be fun to raise like a dog. Wolves are not likely to even SHOW themselves to humans.

A single wolf would be very unlikely to be able to bring down a cow of any size unless the cow were already ill.

I've studied them too, they're a fascinating animal. Wolves, social animals that they are, tend to hunt in packs. They don't have much trouble with cattle or moose.

I led the local opposition where I live in fighting against the introduction of the grey wolf. Despite personally wanting to see them, it was unfair to the animal to be stocked into an environment that would provide them too little food and too much exposure to humans.

In summary........

Kill a hunter, save 10 wolfs.

Kill a wolf, save 100 gazelle.

Kill a gazelle, save 1,000,000 peices of grass and thus the world.

Kill a peice of grass, save some photons.

Kill a photon, save a bunch of wierd one-dimensional string things.

That's an awful lot of killing to do in one day.

So, that means, to save those weird string things....
We want to kill photons. So we want to NOT kill grass. So we want to kill elk/gazelle, so we want to NOT kill wolves, so we want to kill wolf-hunters, but NOT elk-hunters.
Got it!

weird one-dimensional string things - Our future!

I did telesurveys for a while (which is why now when I hear a poll result I want to know how the sample was gathered as well as the actual questions) that did the following:

How do you feel about the relocation of Mountain Lions? (I guess...if they can't live where they where anymore...why do you as-)
How do you feel about the relocation of Mountian Lions if they where killing sheep? (Well, they are mountain lions, I guess. It's not like you can expect them to be vegetarians. Whats this al-)
How would you feel about the relocation of Mountain Lions if you knew they where slaughtering herd of deer? (Oh my, slaughtering? That's horri-are they just killing them and stinging them up in trees? What do you mean 'slaughtering?')

It went on like that for two pages...

I did telesurveys for a while (which is why now when I hear a poll result I want to know how the sample was gathered as well as the actual questions) that did the following:

How do you feel about the relocation of Mountain Lions? (I guess...if they can't live where they where anymore...why do you as-)
How do you feel about the relocation of Mountian Lions if they where killing sheep? (Well, they are mountain lions, I guess. It's not like you can expect them to be vegetarians. Whats this al-)
How would you feel about the relocation of Mountain Lions if you knew they where slaughtering herd of deer? (Oh my, slaughtering? That's horri-are they just killing them and stinging them up in trees? What do you mean 'slaughtering?')

It went on like that for two pages...

Had to be incredibly boring. Some questions are funny - my Congressman wanted to know "are you in favor of the death penalty or do you want to have increased crime in your community". I favor the death penalty, but I won't answer a question like that.

So how did people feel about mountain lions in general? Ever see the results of the survey?

I did telesurveys for a while (which is why now when I hear a poll result I want to know how the sample was gathered as well as the actual questions) that did the following:

How do you feel about the relocation of Mountain Lions? (I guess...if they can't live where they where anymore...why do you as-)
How do you feel about the relocation of Mountian Lions if they where killing sheep? (Well, they are mountain lions, I guess. It's not like you can expect them to be vegetarians. Whats this al-)
How would you feel about the relocation of Mountain Lions if you knew they where slaughtering herd of deer? (Oh my, slaughtering? That's horri-are they just killing them and stinging them up in trees? What do you mean 'slaughtering?')

It went on like that for two pages...

Now, Mountain Lions DO kill people, not just kids, and not just idiot tourists. If there was a Cougar in my area, the last damn thing I'd care about are some damn deer.

Isn't the entire point of wolves existence to KILL and EAT Elk and other herbivores? Kill a Wolf, save 100 Elk, Destroy the Balance of the Ecosystem. Whoever came up with that bumper sticker, and anyone who displays it deserve a hunting season unto themselves (with them as the targets) It would save the rest of us from putting up with 1000's of Fools.

I've spent the last month living in a little town out in the bush in Eastern Manitoba (visiting my parents in their cottage country dotage) There are 1000s of deer around here, they're all over the place, they walk through town, munch on peoples flowers and are generally tolerated as something wonderful but also at times annoying. There is a healthy wolf population in the area as well, and they eat their fill of deer quite happily. No one around here with at least 2 braincells complains of it or worries about the danger the wolvews might pose. There is a pack that lives/hunts in the provincial park right across the river from town, but they never venture into town to hunt the deer around here. Quite frankly, they have no need to.

There's quite a lot of cattle ranching around here and the farmers have little or no problems with wolves unless it really bad year for everything & everyone all around. There are plenty of wild animals for the wolves to prey on without them having to venture out of the great thick forests and onto human lands to get their four legged prey. Predator problems are usually better described as a human problem anyway. The predators are just going about as they always have, until humans encroach upon their territory.

Kill the planet, save time. ;)

Kill a wolf, kill 100 elk due to overpopulation and starvation.

Or "kill an elk, save 1,000,000 blades of grass."

Ever hear of "Save a cow, eat a vegitarian(sp?)"

Great way to kill time, though. :)
YEEEAAARRRGGGHHH!
Brain overload!

Now, Mountain Lions DO kill people, not just kids, and not just idiot tourists. If there was a Cougar in my area, the last damn thing I'd care about are some damn deer.


There are Mountain Lion warning signs everywhere around my old (god that feels good to say) campus. I discovered my first one walking around in a secluded part of campus at 3AM. A little disconcerting...

They where relocating the cougars out of a populated area because they where afraid they would start eating childrens (a cougar ate my baby...).

I've only run into one person who has encountered a cougar on campus and it bailed pretty quickly.

Had to be incredibly boring. Some questions are funny - my Congressman wanted to know "are you in favor of the death penalty or do you want to have increased crime in your community". I favor the death penalty, but I won't answer a question like that.

So how did people feel about mountain lions in general? Ever see the results of the survey?
It wasn't the worst. The worst was having to ask people in New Jersey if they wanted the initiative system. No offense to anyone in New Jersey, but damn I'm glad I live in California...

They where for the most part okay with it until the survey badgered them into saying 'not okay.' I hated that job, but not as much as telemarketing...my soul is worth more than $8 an hour...

You originally said that wolves attack children, or that people are afraid they will, NOT that people had livestock being attacked.

I've studied wolves, and again, it's very unlikely that wolves will attack humans -- generally speaking, unless you've a wolf-dog hybrid or a cub someone thought would be fun to raise like a dog. Wolves are not likely to even SHOW themselves to humans.

A single wolf would be very unlikely to be able to bring down a cow of any size unless the cow were already ill.
all i really said in the beginning was that people here arent likely to worry about elk, they worry about their kids.

i too have read that wolves are shy. doesnt do you much good when one comes in your yard to threaten your dog. youre just happy that the kids arent out eh?

wolves hunt in packs. they have been mostly killing new born calves but they do also go after cows on occasion. i dont know what condition the cows are in.

almost every wolf re-introduced into new mexico has had to be recaptured. except for the ones that met an unexpected death. they dont stay away from ranches, they dont feed only on elk. they get way too close to people and they kill livestock.

it may turn out that as cubs are born in the wild they will act more like wolves should act. who knows? until then they are reintroducing wolves on the risk of human lives and livelihoods.

until then they are reintroducing wolves on the risk of human lives and livelihoods.

You probably will not find a recorded instance of a non-rabid wolf let alone a pack attacking a human.

I love wolves.
And no, they do not attack humans.
They were hunted to near extinction in this country, for no good reason.

I love wolves.
And no, they do not attack humans.
They were hunted to near extinction in this country, for no good reason.
They were hunted to death because they killed sheep and cattle. That may not seem like a good reason to you, but if your family's survival relied on that of your livestock, I think you would probably feel differently.

They were hunted to death because they killed sheep and cattle. That may not seem like a good reason to you, but if your family's survival relied on that of your livestock, I think you would probably feel differently.
And you screw around with the ecosystem. Ranching does horrid things for the ecosystem as is (see iceland), much less the damage it causes when they start to mess around with the predator/prey relationships. Where I live, people fearing predators has caused the deer population to explode, along with it nasty diseases carried by those deer (like lyme disease). It's really not worth it.

It wasn't the worst. The worst was having to ask people in New Jersey if they wanted the initiative system. No offense to anyone in New Jersey, but damn I'm glad I live in California...

They where for the most part okay with it until the survey badgered them into saying 'not okay.' I hated that job, but not as much as telemarketing...my soul is worth more than $8 an hour...

While slightly off topic but I'm from Jersey and whats the initiative system, and if its something obvious please ignore my blondeness and tell me anyway.

As for wolves i think the whole thing of hunting them is pointless. They don't attack humans unless rabied or provoked. And the only reason they would really attack Cattle is if their wasn't enough food for them in the wild, and thats not thier faught soo why are we killing them.?

While slightly off topic but I'm from Jersey and whats the initiative system, and if its something obvious please ignore my blondeness and tell me anyway.


Probably has more to do with how I phrased it. Here in California anyone can create a proposition, write it out and then petition it. If it gets enough signatures it goes to ballot and the state votes on it. And then someone sues and it gets locked up in courts until it's forgotten...

For instance-medical marijuana. Someone wrote it up, petitioned it, the state voted that we should allow those who are terribly sick to feel a little better and so it was legalized. Co-ops and clubs where set up for the very sick and everyone was cool with it. Except Ashcroft. Who came in and busted all the clubs and the case went to SCOTUS and they said because someone can carry the stuff across state lines we couldn't decide that the very sick should feel a little better. (Naturally I'm over-simplifying things)

A lot of states have that and I guess New Jersey was thinking of it. Maybe they have it and I just did a poor job of talking about it.

Incedenty on the same ballot we did away with Affirmative Action. Figure that out-the same people that legalized medical marijuana abolished Affirmative Action. We're a weird state. Lots and lots of people, you see...

Probably has more to do with how I phrased it. Here in California anyone can create a proposition, write it out and then petition it. If it gets enough signatures it goes to ballot and the state votes on it. And then someone sues and it gets locked up in courts until it's forgotten...

For instance-medical marijuana. Someone wrote it up, petitioned it, the state voted that we should allow those who are terribly sick to feel a little better and so it was legalized. Co-ops and clubs where set up for the very sick and everyone was cool with it. Except Ashcroft. Who came in and busted all the clubs and the case went to SCOTUS and they said because someone can carry the stuff across state lines we couldn't decide that the very sick should feel a little better. (Naturally I'm over-simplifying things)

A lot of states have that and I guess New Jersey was thinking of it. Maybe they have it and I just did a poor job of talking about it.

Incedenty on the same ballot we did away with Affirmative Action. Figure that out-the same people that legalized medical marijuana abolished Affirmative Action. We're a weird state. Lots and lots of people, you see...

Oh well i don't think we completly have that in that form anyway but it seems sorta pointless in a way, besides Jersians are too wierd, i don't think i would like to find out what they could think up to petition :p

In summary........

Kill a hunter, save 10 wolfs.

Kill a wolf, save 100 gazelle.

Kill a gazelle, save 1,000,000 peices of grass and thus the world.

Kill a peice of grass, save some photons.

Kill a photon, save a bunch of wierd one-dimensional string things.

That's an awful lot of killing to do in one day.

Wow...

Save a hunter, ergo save 1 billion blades of Grass, and thereby 1000 worlds. Impressive.

Probably has more to do with how I phrased it. Here in California anyone can create a proposition, write it out and then petition it. If it gets enough signatures it goes to ballot and the state votes on it. And then someone sues and it gets locked up in courts until it's forgotten...

For instance-medical marijuana. Someone wrote it up, petitioned it, the state voted that we should allow those who are terribly sick to feel a little better and so it was legalized. Co-ops and clubs where set up for the very sick and everyone was cool with it. Except Ashcroft. Who came in and busted all the clubs and the case went to SCOTUS and they said because someone can carry the stuff across state lines we couldn't decide that the very sick should feel a little better. (Naturally I'm over-simplifying things)

A lot of states have that and I guess New Jersey was thinking of it. Maybe they have it and I just did a poor job of talking about it.

Incedenty on the same ballot we did away with Affirmative Action. Figure that out-the same people that legalized medical marijuana abolished Affirmative Action. We're a weird state. Lots and lots of people, you see...

It's not really weird. It's just what happens when people are no longer single issue voters, i.e. a choice between two canditates. You are bound to see some blurring of party dogma in that case.

Sucked about the SCOTUS decision though. That was dead wrong.

It's not really weird. It's just what happens when people are no longer single issue voters, i.e. a choice between two canditates. You are bound to see some blurring of party dogma in that case.

Sucked about the SCOTUS decision though. That was dead wrong.
I guess the deal was that if they decided in favor of legalization they would have set some precident that would have effects on other laws or something. I don't know, really-you'd have to ask Cat-Tribe. I really just feel for the patients that where benifiting from the medicine, because thats what it was to them. It didn't effect the recreational user one bit either way. Most of the 'heads' wouldn't touch stuff from a club because they didn't want to be the reason that sick people couldn't get what they needed. Sad, really.

We are a state of something like 35 million, we're not homologus by a long shot. I think that's what weirds other states out about us-we're bigger then a lot of countries. The north part can't stand the south part and the way north part can't stand anybody. The valley people can't stand the people in the mountains, the city cats can't stand the rural folk etc etc on and on. One thing we can agree on is the people from other states are way too up tight. Especially when they just move here.

Wouldn't trade it for the world. Well, maybe Canada, but it's expensive to emigrate...

Oh well i don't think we completly have that in that form anyway but it seems sorta pointless in a way, besides Jersians are too wierd, i don't think i would like to find out what they could think up to petition :p
You aught to see the crap we come up with...

And you screw around with the ecosystem. Ranching does horrid things for the ecosystem as is (see iceland), much less the damage it causes when they start to mess around with the predator/prey relationships. Where I live, people fearing predators has caused the deer population to explode, along with it nasty diseases carried by those deer (like lyme disease). It's really not worth it.
Yeah, I guess those people should have just given up and died.

There are Mountain Lion warning signs everywhere around my old (god that feels good to say) campus. I discovered my first one walking around in a secluded part of campus at 3AM. A little disconcerting...

They where relocating the cougars out of a populated area because they where afraid they would start eating childrens (a cougar ate my baby...).

I've only run into one person who has encountered a cougar on campus and it bailed pretty quickly.

So you have the same problem with mountain lions as we have with dingos eh? ;)

Yeah, I guess those people should have just given up and died.

or done something different, perhaps? wolves do what wolves do. humans, on the other hand, can do all sorts of different things.

Have any of you guys seen this bumper-sticker?

looks like the sort of thing that people who think we ought to "shoot a few wolves to send a message to the others"* might have. but most of those types i've seen have still been all impressed by their oh-so-clever "vegetarian = indian word for lousy hunter" bumper stickers.

*actual quote, taken from a letter to the editor in moscow, id

"Befriend the wolf, eat the elks, smoke the grass"

That'd be my bumber sticker!

Maybe there should be a bumper sticker that says 'Kill a wolf, destroy an ecosystem' :rolleyes:

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