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Well aparently once again the three Greatest Rugby Nations in the World(Behind coughArgentinacough) are about to do battle for the tri Nations Trophy.

Apparently the first game is between Australia and South Africa im picking the Yarps to win the whole thing again.

Some may call me insane for suggesting this but with Pretorious at 10 instead of Hougard i think theyll have another chance unless of course he isnt playing.

Percival Montgomery has been playing like he did when he and Cullen were the best Fullbacks in the game.

Aussies to win the first game, the boks have made 4 changes but the Aussies thrashed them the last time they met, 33-22 (I think). That wasn't long ago and I reacon it'll be a repeat result.

The All Blacks to win the whole thing. With Carter in form and if they can get there nicked fijian backline going then I don't think anyone can hold them. Certainly if tbhey can eather A)Repeat there 2nd test preformance, or B) Up it then no nation on earth can besat them currently.

Aussies to win the first game, the boks have made 4 changes but the Aussies thrashed them the last time they met, 33-22 (I think). That wasn't long ago and I reacon it'll be a repeat result.

The All Blacks to win the whole thing. With Carter in form and if they can get there nicked fijian backline going then I don't think anyone can hold them. Certainly if tbhey can eather A)Repeat there 2nd test preformance, or B) Up it then no nation on earth can besat them currently.

Last time they met was last weekend and South Africa beat them good.

NZ has more Samoans that Fijians, although some of them were actually born in New Zealand (like Tana)...

is gregon playing?

After watching the Lions Tests Im going for New Zealand, as I saw both the recent SA-Aus matches and wasnt that impressed with either team really.

Another reason is that the AB's at home at the moment seem unbeatable and seem to be able to adapt to the conditions.

Last time they met was last weekend and South Africa beat them good.

NZ has more Samoans that Fijians, although some of them were actually born in New Zealand (like Tana)...
I thought the Ozzies won the seris though. I didn't see them meet last week.

I pick the All Blacks.

They're made a few improvements and picked up their game.
I think they could do it.

All Blacks by a country mile :)

I reckon the All Blacks. The Aussies were woeful in South Africa the other night.

I'm not a huge fan of football, I don't really follow the game. All the same though; Ozzi! Ozzi! Ozzi!!! Oi! Oi! Oi! ;)

It's rugby mate.

Aussies to win the first game, the boks have made 4 changes but the Aussies thrashed them the last time they met, 33-22 (I think). That wasn't long ago and I reacon it'll be a repeat result.

The All Blacks to win the whole thing. With Carter in form and if they can get there nicked fijian backline going then I don't think anyone can hold them. Certainly if tbhey can eather A)Repeat there 2nd test preformance, or B) Up it then no nation on earth can besat them currently.
Fijians lol.]

Way more Samoans.
The team is full of traditional Kiwi names like Umaga,Mealamu, er im not even going to pretend to know how to spell them.

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i'd say the all blacks. i'm rooting(not in the australian slang kind of way but i wouldn't mind.....) for them as, if they lose then i'll have one pissed off friend who tends to take her anger out on others.....eeep....

History says South Africa at home
Recent results:

2005: South Africa won 33-20 in Johannesburg
2005: Australia won 30-12 in Sydney
2004: South Africa won 23-19 in Durban
2004: Australia won 30-26 in Perth
2003: Australia won 29-9 in Brisbane
2003: South Africa won 26-22 in Cape Town
2002: South Africa won 33 - 31 in Johannesburg
2002: Australia won 38 - 27 in Brisbane
2001: Australia 14-14 South Africa in Perth
2001: South Africa won 20-15 in Pretoria
2000: Australia won 19-18 in Durban

i'd say the all blacks. i'm rooting(not in the australian slang kind of way but i wouldn't mind.....) for them as if they lose them i'll have one pissed off friend who tends to take her anger out on others.....eeep....
LOL

Im not so sure i think South Africa can make it a double.

Carter could easily break down and Mauger.
With Marshall gone our Halfback back up is pretty weak and Kelleher is a nut anyways.

LOL

Im not so sure i think South Africa can make it a double.

Carter could easily break down and Mauger.
With Marshall gone our Halfback back up is pretty weak and Kelleher is a nut anyways.

ah well, nz still has a chance, be it a lesser one, it's a chance. fingers crossed

ah well, nz still has a chance, be it a lesser one, it's a chance. fingers crossed
Yeah well im a doomsayer. :p
They probably will win it but if its another hiding is that really good for International Rugby?
But then again who cares about that we are Number One-Until a Worls Cup comes up and we choke...

Is it going to be shown free-to-air in New Zealand tonight?

Is it going to be shown free-to-air in New Zealand tonight?
Nah the games a Mid day game in South Africa so its like 3 in the morning or something awful.
TV 3 wont carry it, it is on Sky though.

Harlesburg Magic Eight Ball Predictions
George Smith First Try
First Stopage Lineout
Final Score
South Africa 28
Australia 17
Any takers?

Nah the games a Mid day game in South Africa so its like 3 in the morning or something awful.
TV 3 wont carry it, it is on Sky though.

Harlesburg Magic Eight Ball Predictions
George Smith First Try
First Stopage Lineout
Final Score
South Africa 28
Australia 17
Any takers?

I must admit I don't know much about rugby (union or league). I'm an Aussie Rules fan (go Pies).

I must admit I don't know much about rugby (union or league). I'm an Aussie Rules fan (go Pies).
Go Swans :p

Go Swans :p

You're doing much better than us this season. :(

Fijians lol.]


Rockoko and Sivatu (Cousains) are both fijian and several other players in the NZ team are from the Pacific islands. Imagine them playing for fiji, it's be great wouldn't it. Rugby won't expand unless we get rid of these rules and let countrs keep there own players.

The All Blacks have a history of blowing hot before the Tri-Nations and then going completely off the boil once the tournament starts. They do look like favourites, but I think it will be the closest yet.

I'll go for the Springboks.

Kick-off just about to take place.

I just got back from town, and i think i saw the boks win on a screen somewhere. Good thing that the aussies aren't winning in SA. Would be a worry.

Final Score:

South Africa 22-16 Australia

South Africa 22 (6)
Try: Paulse
Con: Montgomery
Pens: Montgomery (3)
DGs: Montgomery, Pretorius

Australia 16 (13)
Try: Smith
Con: Giteau
Pens: Giteau (3)

Only watched about 5 minuets of the match, as it's Twenty20 finals day and managed to see Paulse score a well worked try off first phase ball.

That was a pretty average game...

Rockoko and Sivatu (Cousains) are both fijian and several other players in the NZ team are from the Pacific islands. Imagine them playing for fiji, it's be great wouldn't it. Rugby won't expand unless we get rid of these rules and let countrs keep there own players.
I completly agree plus Rupeni Cucunbuffa-God his name is horrible if he didnt go walk abouts it would be a lot different.
Plus too many European teams withold players and say if you go you may not have a spot in the team when you get back.

I completly agree plus Rupeni Cucunbuffa-God his name is horrible if he didnt go walk abouts it would be a lot different.
Plus too many European teams withold players and say if you go you may not have a spot in the team when you get back.

The only way to solve this would be create a "Pacific Islands" Franchaise for Super 14 (formerly Super 12), this would then allow the players a living without having to move to Europe or New Zealand/Australia, as well as giving the "Pacific Island" teams control over their players, which would be good for rugby in general, as it creates more competition.

Every year each of the tri nations teams should play a game in samoa, tonga and fiji (alternating each year) and leave all the profits to the island nation. All it takes is a weekend each year and it will help the island teams immensely just to be getting that game against a top team.

They can start moving up from there towards having a super 14 team or whatever.

What i always wanted was for the 2 extra teams (Both in Oz now) to be a Pesific Islands team and a Argentinian team.

What i always wanted was for the 2 extra teams (Both in Oz now) to be a Pesific Islands team and a Argentinian team.

Most of the top Argentinian players play their club rugby in France, so they'd be better off playing amoungst the northern hemisphere international timeframe.

SANZAR, the group running the super 12/tri nations etc only consider what's best for their own country, rather than what is best for international rugby as a whole, hence no pacific islands team.

[edit] also, only one of the expansion teams for the super 14 is based in australia. The other is in South Africa.

I was close.

I thinkl the IRB should step in and tell SANZAR that next time they have include the Argies and Pecific Island teams. Why do the Argies play rugby in France/Uk/NH? Because there is no major club/league in there own country.

I was close.

I thinkl the IRB should step in and tell SANZAR that next time they have include the Argies and Pecific Island teams. Why do the Argies play rugby in France/Uk/NH? Because there is no major club/league in there own country.
Yeah but if you look at the Pcific Rim Trophy all the scores were close/closeish
With America Canada Argentina Japan Tonga Fiji Samoa etc.

However i think Argentina should play more games at a regional Provincial level against NZ OZ SA but their local comp is crap.

So is anyone impressed by my pics for the last game?
I was pretty close. ;)

well game two tonight.

What's the latest of Stephen Larkham's injury? It seems the Aussies won't be winning the Tri-Nations.

What's the latest of Stephen Larkham's injury? It seems the Aussies won't be winning the Tri-Nations.
From what ive heard hes goneski.

South Africa
38
New Zealand
26

Ali Williams First try.

Heck, the ABs got unlucky. They made the breaks, but couldn't finish it.

22 16 again
De Villers first try.
Drat.

I hope South Africa wins, but I can for see the Kiwi's taking it. Hate you so much. Beat my Lions. BAH!

Given a different Ref, Argentina could have beaten the Lions.

What's your opinion on the Ozzie game? Larkham's out, Sailor's out, and Latham's out. I'm thinking we may be good for an away win if we can lift our game.

Given a different Ref, Argentina could have beaten the Lions.

What's your opinion on the Ozzie game? Larkham's out, Sailor's out, and Latham's out. I'm thinking we may be good for an away win if we can lift our game.
Maybe but Umanga may be out.
Carter might have another shocker
Kelleher's out.
Where is our back up Halve(After Weepu)?
Conrad Smith still sick?

Intresting, I think the boks might just win the tournment-one hell of a defence against the Blacks.

I think the Aussies are going to be the big losers of this tri nations.


For the boks it will come down to whether or not they can survive a night time game at the 'brook in dunedin.

Boks have got the series in the bag.

New Zealand 28
Australia 14
First Try Scorer
Conrad Smith(If hes playing)

Agreed, I think that the Aussies are quite an old squad now and need to refresh, there where England where 2 years ago.

So is anyone going to ask why i put the Boks as Proteas?

BTW, aren't they their cricket team?

I'm expecting a low-scoring game, given the All Blacks lack of tries at past tri-nations, and Australia's defence.

17 New Zealand
10 Australia

First try scorer - Umaga

I think it'll be more open than that.

NZ 30
Oz 10

BTW, aren't they their cricket team?

I'm expecting a low-scoring game, given the All Blacks lack of tries at past tri-nations, and Australia's defence.

17 New Zealand
10 Australia

First try scorer - Umaga
Yeah im going with Umaga now too.

I put Proteas because the Powers that be i nSouth Africa want them to be less Afrikaan(Bok) and more Unity oriented.

Pretoria is now called Tshwane. :confused:

Mad.

I think it'll be more open than that.

NZ 30
Oz 10

Close! 30 13, I think it was.

Hah we played shithouse, fucked up our lineouts, bombed a few tries and had the ref deny us another.


But we still beat them good.



Silly aussies.....








I hope Dan's ok :(

Close! 30 13, I think it was.
What and this wasnt?
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9420169&postcount=45
:(

:d

They're talking about a broken leg now...

BTW, did you hear about Aaron Mauger being noted as possibly gay by a magazine?

What do you mean possibly?
MAuger is so GAy!

You know hes from that other Island so he must be and more to the point he plays for the Crusaders!

*Ive got evidence somewhere.*
*Shifty eyes*

Yeah Broken leg or calve strain for Carter.

Hope it's a strain, he's such a class player, for NZ to lose him for a few months would be terrable!

Nah, Luke McAllistair can do things on the field, Leon McDonald can kick the goals. Mauger's goal kicking seems to be not up to standard, such as in the Fiji game.

Er i would have picked the Jarps honest.
by 1-12.........

There they go, they've lost their two home games.

BTW, did the ABs pick up a bonus point from sydney?

There they go, they've lost their two home games.

BTW, did the ABs pick up a bonus point from sydney?
yes *unsure*
30-13 would say yes.

yes *unsure*
30-13 would say yes.

Nope, we didn't, we only got 3 tries. We got one in south africa for losing by less than 7 though.

Predicted score for Dunedin test:

Boks - 18
ABs - 25
First try : Joe Rockoko

(Havn't really been paying attention to their wingers on defence tho.)

Predicted score for Dunedin test:

Boks - 18
ABs - 25
First try : Joe Rockoko

(Havn't really been paying attention to their wingers on defence tho.)
Ill say
NZ -16
Bok -19
First Try Montgomery

Dunedin is Terrible,thats why you should keep it!
John Smit South african Captain.
Not exact but none the less true.

I enjoy watching South Africa

I've had a chance to see South Africa play several times and to me, their best player is Botha (Bokkies Botha?)... that guy is a hulk, strong in the pile, great at intercepting opposing teams' line-outs and a sure-handed tackler who frequently, to my eye, mauls the opposing ball-carrier.

I also see great star potential in DeVillius (sp?) and the short winger they have who's super-fast, scored both of the Boks' tries in their nail-biting 22-19 win at Australia.

Jaco van der Vesthuizen is great at making long kicks into touch... seems to usually get the ball out of bounds deep in the other team's side of the field, which (it has occurred to me) is a great way of gaining field position... (when i first started watching rugby and would see a player punt the ball when nobody was near him, i'd think "why are you giving the ball up?"... watching VD Vesthuizen's deep touch kicks, now I know)

Maybe Praetorius (sp?) is good most of the time, but when i've watched him play he seems to waste Springbok possessions by attempting drop-goals from way out near center-field... he is not Jonny Wilkinson.

i have a question for the world rugby followers:

I remember how dominant England was at the 2003 world cup... now they've fallen to like 5th or 6th in the world. What happened? Was it mainly the injuries to Wilkinson? Is one player that important to them?

I mean they'd beat Wales by 40 points, that team... now Wales might be better than England.

players i'm impressed with (getting to know the game a bit and am making up my own uninformed list -- hehe -- of good players):

Tana Umana (sp?) -- all blacks
Mialamu
Daniel Carter (accurate kicker)
Mat Rogers
Giteau
George Greegan (lol, butchered the spelling)
Boks listed above
Percy Montgomery (another solid Bock, uses an NFL-style straight-line approach to his kicks)
Wilkinson (though, does he still have "it"?)
Dallaglio (sp?)
Jones (?) from Wales

and

Brian O'Driscoll from Ireland

Thats so cute! :) ^_^

England have lost probably 14 players fom the World Cup to injuries or retirement out of their WC squad.

The Welsh have made a revival in recent years they once were great.

Bakkies Botha is awesome he and Victor Matfield are a great combination for South Africa nad the Bulls.
-His first name is a nickname from a arp word for ute.

England will probably come right by the next World cup but if they lose to Scotland anytime soon its time to worry.
Scotland have fallen apart recently.

All those players you listed are indeed wise calls
You could have added Richie McCaw
and Pichot from Argentina

http://xtramsn.co.nz/sport/0,,12021-4697494,00.html

Victor Matfield is the best lock in the world as far as I can see.

As for tonight? I really don't know. Night games in dunedin always suck for touring teams, so I think the ABs have the advantage there. The Boks are very, very good right now though. If they win tonight, they move to #1 in the official world rankings.

What happened to De Wet Barry? Is he injured or something? That guy was like a loose forward with a side step, and out in the midfield.

I'm going to chuck my $0.02 on what you've said :D

i have a question for the world rugby followers:

I remember how dominant England was at the 2003 world cup... now they've fallen to like 5th or 6th in the world. What happened? Was it mainly the injuries to Wilkinson? Is one player that important to them?

I mean they'd beat Wales by 40 points, that team... now Wales might be better than England.

England had several world class players who all peaked during 2003. Really, it all came together for them at the right time. Since then, they've been hit by retirements, injuries, and an insistance of sticking with forwards who can't get around the field, as southern hemisphere rugby is speeding up this is becoming a problem. Wales have made huge steps in the past few years. They've sped up their game, they have a solid pack and good backs. They've gone toe to toe with the all blacks twice in the past few years. When they meet this year, it will be the Welsh's best chance to knock off the mighty black jersey.


players i'm impressed with (getting to know the game a bit and am making up my own uninformed list -- hehe -- of good players):

Tana Umana (sp?) -- all blacks

Being from Wellington I might be a bit biased here, but Tana rules. I hope his body holds up through to the end of the next World Cup. He brings so much experience and leadership to the side, and can still hit gaps on attack and nail his man on defence.

Mialamu

Good player, gets around the track and plays like a 4th loose forward. Questionable lineout thrower at times, but then what hooker isn't at the moment?

Daniel Carter (accurate kicker)
Giteau

2 years ago these guys were both playing #12 outside veteren first fives, and I thought they were the future in the #10 jersey of their respective countries. As it stands now, Carter has become on of, if not the best First five-eighths (flyhalf for the rest of you) in the world, while Giteau has been a good player for aussie, and is just now looking to get that 10 jersey, but might be used mainly as a 12 for a while yet.

Mat Rogers

I haven't seen heaps of him, but he seems to have made the transition from league to union well. Solid player.

George Greegan (lol, butchered the spelling)

Past his best, but still one of the all time greats (although I still don't like him). You don't play 115-odd tests for australia without doing something special.

Boks listed above

The boks are a very good team at the moment. They will be even better if they can topple the all blacks tonight..

Percy Montgomery (another solid Bock, uses an NFL-style straight-line approach to his kicks)

Great player. Good tackler, good under the high ball, great long kick and can run it back and pop up in the backline on attack. Everything you want from a test fullback.

Wilkinson (though, does he still have "it"?)
Dallaglio (sp?)
Jones (?) from Wales
Brian O'Driscoll from Ireland[/QUOTE]

All good players, although Dallaglio might be gone for good. They were let down by horrible planning by the coach during the lions tour, and in the case of O'driscoll and dallaglio, were horribly unlucky with injuries. Jones is a great player when he's with Wales though.

All blacks just beat Springboks.

Phew! 31-27.

Man of the match : Rockoko. Esp his second try, bursting through 3 Boks.

ROCKET MAN!!!


He's well on his way to passing cully's NZ test try record :eek:



I miss cully :(

Who?

Great game, real nice rugby, the boks where lucky at the end, they just didn't have the forward power.

ROCKET MAN!!!


He's well on his way to passing cully's NZ test try record :eek:



I miss cully :(
Dont let anyone fool you Cully is the Greatest!*

* Well definatly in the last 25 years.

I had De Wit Barry in my FRTeam but hes a bit insane and too full of hate.

Bastard Cheat ALL BLACKS!

So did anyone notice the ball deliberatly thrown into touch at the end?

Who?

Great game, real nice rugby, the boks where lucky at the end, they just didn't have the forward power.


Rocket man. Rocks. (Rocokoco, that chap out on the wing. 31 test tries)

Rocket man. Rocks. (Rocokoco, that chap out on the wing. 31 test tries)
Oh yeah Barry wasnt in the first teams because they had De Villers at Centre and Paulse on the Wing!

Oh yeah Barry wasnt in the first teams because they had De Villers at Centre and Paulse on the Wing!

He probably gives away too many penalties considering how many eyes he rips out. He turns over so much ball that no one in South Africa cares.

Rocket man. Rocks. (Rocokoco, that chap out on the wing. 31 test tries)
His cousains slightly better though.

His cousains slightly better though.
i hope by that you mean he deserved to be an All Black.
Congratulations to all those who said All Blacks.

i hope by that you mean he deserved to be an All Black.
Congratulations to all those who said All Blacks.
Personally I thionk they should both be playing for Fiji and you should only be allowed to play for the country of your birth.

Personally I thionk they should both be playing for Fiji and you should only be allowed to play for the country of your birth.


So George Gregan should be playing for Zambia?


At the last world cup, there were more New Zealand born players playing for other countries than any other country.

Most of New Zealand's overseas born players (with the recent exeptions of Sivivatu and Sione Luaki) came over when they were primary school aged by their parents searching for a better life and came through the high school age ranks the same as anyone else. In New Zealand when we talk about Tana Umaga, Jerry Collins, John Afoa, Derren Witcomb or Malili Muliaina, no one really considers that 3 of them spent their early lives in another country. Hell, most punters probably don't even know which one's were.

So George Gregan should be playing for Zambia?


At the last world cup, there were more New Zealand born players playing for other countries than any other country.

Most of New Zealand's overseas born players (with the recent exeptions of Sivivatu and Sione Luaki) came over when they were primary school aged by their parents searching for a better life and came through the high school age ranks the same as anyone else. In New Zealand when we talk about Tana Umaga, Jerry Collins, John Afoa, Derren Witcomb or Malili Muliaina, no one really considers that 3 of them spent their early lives in another country. Hell, most punters probably don't even know which one's were.
yes, he should.

I'd be fine with Gregen play9ing for Zqambia and all of Englands players playing for there hoime contrys, it would make International Rugby mmore competive for one.