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Will China and others scupper attempts to bring Zimbabwe into line? What do you think will happen?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4721189.stm

Will China and others scupper attempts to bring Zimbabwe into line? What do you think will happen?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4721189.stm


It does need to be discussed. The state of Zimbabwe is a disgrace. While I'm sure that some of the us security council members may have sympathy for what it happening, the US also need some nice national and international pr, 'spreading democracy' to another oppressed region of the world. I think the US may see Zimbabwe as an easier target and hopefully will not end up with a body count of 25,000 less than 2 years after the 'war' had ended. Russia and China are just being realistic.

We shuold of stoped mugabe ages ago before all of ths happens lets just hope our leaders whont ignore this like they's don with othr african country's

We shuold of stoped mugabe ages ago before all of ths happens lets just hope our leaders whont ignore this like they's don with othr african country's


I agree but its prob too much effort

China and Russia? Hardly the more reputable members now are they. If America wants to do something they will, UN support is just a helping hand. British American and French involvement alone is going to be enough to get what needs doing done.

Will China and others scupper attempts to bring Zimbabwe into line? What do you think will happen?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4721189.stm

Zimbabwe has already been thrown out of the Commonwealth and other commonwealth nations now dont like its government an political over haul ,in my opinion will be conducted by commonwealth nations opposed to the us

It does make me wonder what else Mugabe has to do before he elicits a meaningful response, from the UN, US, UK or whomever.

We shuold of stoped mugabe ages ago before all of ths happens lets just hope our leaders whont ignore this like they's don with othr african country's
Flash!! Sarcasm Alert!! A massive Oil deposit is found in Zimbabwe, Suddenly the country becomes much more interesting,Mugabe is a great leader now and everybody listens, a dictator with leverage nowLet's hope that never happens,Mugabe, ;) he's 84 now, shouldn't he die soon?

It does make me wonder what else Mugabe has to do before he elicits a meaningful response, from the UN, US, UK or whomever.
Sudan's already killed over 300,000 people and the UN's pretty much ignoring it. Mugabe's got a long way to go if he's to attract the UN's attention.

Sudan's already killed over 300,000 people and the UN's pretty much ignoring it. Mugabe's got a long way to go if he's to attract the UN's attention.
This would be because of French and Chinese oil deals with the khartoum government.

This would be because of French and Chinese oil deals with the khartoum government.
Not to mention Russian arms sales to them.

We shuold of stoped mugabe ages ago before all of ths happens lets just hope our leaders whont ignore this like they's don with othr african country's


I fully agree, he has been allowed to go about killing white farmers and is still in power.. It is a disgrace !!

Bluestrips2']I fully agree, he has been allowed to go about killing white farmers and is still in power.. It is a disgrace !!
Behold, cluelessness at it finest. Have you even been remotely following what's been going on?

It's a disgrace, yes. It's definitely an act against Human Rigts, true. It's injustice, no doubt. And it's a dictatorship, I agree.

However, it IS an internal affair of a sovereign country.
Unless there is some threat to international peace, the UN has no say in how the country should be run. It seems to be a case for UNICEF, though.... :(

It's a disgrace, yes. It's definitely an act against Human Rigts, true. It's injustice, no doubt. And it's a dictatorship, I agree.

However, it IS an internal affair of a sovereign country.
Unless there is some threat to international peace, the UN has no say in how the country should be run. It seems to be a case for UNICEF, though.... :(

Intervention in the Balkans happened even though that was an internal matter, and I can assure you what is happening in Zimbabwe is worse, partly because there are no forces able to take up arms to oppose Mugabe, and partly because of the government's final objective, and I quote "the party feels it would be better to have a nation of 5 million patriots than 15 million born frees who owe no allegiance to the party" Minister Joseph Made, 2003 - it is doing this by starvation, by promoting the exidus and steralising Ndebele women, and forcing children into youth brigades where they are systimatically raped and brainwashed. Official AIDS statistics stand at about 27%, but I have heard from government doctors who have fled that the figure is closer to 35% and that the government is activly making things worse by actively undermining any attempt to fix the economy (mainly because such attempts originate from either the ethnic minorities of White, Asian or Ndebele people or from people who did not fight in their bloody on ZANU's side), preventing AIDS information from being spread and by keeping any form of Anti retro viral medicine out of the country. :headbang:

Wasn't Mugabe just visiting China..? I believe the leadership of China hailed him as "a great friend, historical friend, brotherly friend". I'm under the impression he got a honorary doctorate in a Peking university and Hu Jintao called him "an old friend".

In fact i seem to remember China has already said they'll oppose the SC's idea to investigate the mass deportations in Zimbabwe. Yeah, I can see China denouncing him as long as there is large platinum and coal deposits in Zimbabwe...

This would be because of French and Chinese oil deals with the khartoum government.

Now, now, let's not act like the French and Chinese are the only ones with skeletons in their closets.

Now, now, let's not act like the French and Chinese are the only ones with skeletons in their closets.

On Zimbabwe although France has not been enthusiastic, she has agreed and helped sponser, within the EU, policies that would curtail Mugabe's finances, I think in the UN she will support the US and Britain. If we had been a former French colony, Mugabe would have suffered a coup by now, saddly we are a former British colony and Britain lacks France's subtle touch on these matters.

Intervention in the Balkans happened even though that was an internal matter


The Balkans was a civil war and systematic genocide. It was more than likely to sread in the area and it did pose a threat to international peace.
I'm not saying that what happens in Zimbabwe is not just as bad, but the UN has very limited power when it comes to interfering with the internal politics (or crimes) of a country.

The Balkans was a civil war and systematic genocide. It was more than likely to sread in the area and it did pose a threat to international peace.
I'm not saying that what happens in Zimbabwe is not just as bad, but the UN has very limited power when it comes to interfering with the internal politics (or crimes) of a country.

The Gukurahundi (clearing the chaf) in the early 80s was genocide - undoubtably, I'm sure that the current operation Murambatsvina (throwing out the rubish) constitutes low level genocide. Further, the Ndebele, who after the white population are Mugabes favorite victims, are closely related to the Zulu peoples of South Africa, who a present feel marginalised by the predominatly Xhosa leadership of the ANC.

I just read this too, not sure if it is relivant, but maybe GWB will make it relivant http://www.newzimbabwe.com/pages/london2.12913.html