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Think about it, he has enormous powers and is well-liked, mostly. What's to stop him from taking over the wizard world?

Think about it, he has enormous powers and is well-liked, mostly. What's to stop him from taking over the wizard world?

Logic!

Morals. The one thing all good dictators are without. He has them, which is why it's "safe" that he has a bunch of abilities.

Morals. The one thing all good dictators are without. He has them, which is why it's "safe" that he has a bunch of abilities.

Yes, but he's never been in a position of absolute power. Morals are far too often cast aside when one is tempted with absolute power.

Yes, but he's never been in a position of absolute power. Morals are far too often cast aside when one is tempted with absolute power.

I dunno..wasn't he offered immortality or something? That tends to lead to absolute power. I mean, c'mon. If you can't defeat your enemies, you can just wait for 'em to die, and amass your wealth.

Think about it, he has enormous powers and is well-liked, mostly. What's to stop him from taking over the wizard world?
He isn’t a man of action. He is more reactionary. Notice that he never initiates events, only responds to them. Plus, he doesn’t have what it takes to bend others to his will.

I dunno..wasn't he offered immortality or something? That tends to lead to absolute power. I mean, c'mon. If you can't defeat your enemies, you can just wait for 'em to die, and amass your wealth.

Even if he was immortal, he wouldn't necessarily be omnipotent. After all, there would be others who were immortal but more powerful than him. The immortality would be more to defend his power rather than one in itself.

He isn’t a man of action. He is more reactionary. Notice that he never initiates events, only responds to them. Plus, he doesn’t have what it takes to bend others to his will.
What about his lackies? That one with eating disorder and that other one who's anal retentive?

I swear, Harry Potter is the reason why I think Britain's anti-gun laws are just idiotic. Just pass him a gun and let's end this.

I swear, Harry Potter is the reason why I think Britain's anti-gun laws are just idiotic. Just pass him a gun and let's end this.
Damn right.

Damn right.
Magic my arse. The Prime Minister can damn well use the entire British army to run over Voldemort and yet the Minister of Magic isn't smart enough to think as creatively.

Oh please. Voldemort could easily take an army. All he'd have to use is the Shield Charm then Avada-Kedavra a bunch of them to death. Or use that sword spell thing that Harry used of Malfoy and just cut em all up at once. Easy victory. Bullets are useless here.

Also, Voldemort could easily hide from a normal army. He'd just apparate away.

What about his lackies? That one with eating disorder and that other one who's anal retentive?
Hmm. Ron has an eating disorder? What are you talking about? That girl who’s name starts with an H (I will not attempt to spell it) certainly would make a good Minister of the Secret Police.

Oh please. Voldemort could easily take an army. All he'd have to use is the Shield Charm then Avada-Kedavra a bunch of them to death. Or use that sword spell thing that Harry used of Malfoy and just cut em all up at once. Easy victory. Bullets are useless here.
I'd like to see Voldemort shield charm his way from a nuclear missile from China.

Or at least see Voldemort try and win Prime Ministership the legal way.

Morals. The one thing all good dictators are without. He has them, which is why it's "safe" that he has a bunch of abilities.

Lies!

And he could take over the wizard world, because everyone there loves him even though he's an annoying punk, because he's a Potter, just like the Kennedies.

Lies!

And he could take over the wizard world, because everyone there loves him even though he's an annoying punk, because he's a Potter, just like the Kennedies.
Nay, the mudblood-haters will launch a smear campaign against him.

And he could take over the wizard world, because everyone there loves him even though he's an annoying punk, because he's a Potter, just like the Kennedies.
:D

Oh please. Voldemort could easily take an army. All he'd have to use is the Shield Charm then Avada-Kedavra a bunch of them to death. Or use that sword spell thing that Harry used of Malfoy and just cut em all up at once. Easy victory. Bullets are useless here.

Also, Voldemort could easily hide from a normal army. He'd just apparate away.

Serious, why don't the wizards just hire muggle mercenaries? Someone with a Barrett gets a bead on Voldemort without his knowledge:

Avada Kedav - *BLAM*

Or even better, give young Mr Potter a 'magical' vest lined with semtex, tied to a remote satellite uplink. Leave him in a nice out of the way place, wait for Voldemort to ice his ass. When the heart rate monitor flatlines, press the button. Problem solved. I sincerely doubt even a non-verbal defensive or apparation spell can out run an expanding blast wave. Especially if Voldemort stands over his twitching corpse and gloats.

Potter is too weak willed to take over the wizarding world. Although Hermione worries me.

Morals are one of the things that many dictators start out with. If you'd look he is quite like dictators. he has a great disdain for the democratically elected Ministers and the School Board (don't remember the name) He may go so far in protecting the wizarding world that he may end up owning it.

I reckon that Voldemort should just turn Harry Potter into this:

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3260/bagpuss1502504aj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Also Harry Potter can't be a tyrant because he is impeded by the fact that he is a fictious character in a half-baked children's novel.

I always thought Ron had an eating disorder. Another theory of mine is that he is a momma's boy. Heroini(sp?) is a perfectionist and Malfoy is obviously a queen.

Hmm... A guns seems almost anti-climatic, no? Oh but the joy of standing over a dead wizards body because you shot them as they tried to curse you and watch them convulse would be.... I cant even thing of a word for the enjoyment.

:p

Hmm... A guns seems almost anti-climatic, no? Oh but the joy of standing over a dead wizards body because you shot them as they tried to curse you and watch them convulse would be.... I cant even thing of a word for the enjoyment.

:p
I'm thinking of Voldermort killing Harry in a Mr. Blonde type fashion.

I'm thinking of Voldermort killing Harry in a Mr. Blonde type fashion.
I think the other way around, just because the mental image of a boy standing over a snake like figure is much better.

Harry wouldn't turn into a tyrant or a Voldemort like power monger because of his past experiences. All those he has ever loved or cared about have been ripped from him because of a tyrant's power and lack of morals. He knows that these are the consequences of being a tyrant...not only never having close friends and family that trust you and that you could also invest your trust, but tearing apart other people's lives. :rolleyes: Unless he hasn't learned anything from loosing his parents, Sirius, and Dumbledore...and the many times his other loved ones have been in dire peril... :rolleyes:

Hermoine is just weird. But Ron doesn't have an eating disorder. He mostly just has issues with confidence and Hermoine.

As MAchiavelli said, one must only appear to have good qualities. And as SUn Tzu said, he who has the moral law will claim victory. Also, Avada Kedavra kills on person at a time. One word, sniper.

Oh please. Voldemort could easily take an army. All he'd have to use is the Shield Charm then Avada-Kedavra a bunch of them to death. Or use that sword spell thing that Harry used of Malfoy and just cut em all up at once. Easy victory. Bullets are useless here.

Also, Voldemort could easily hide from a normal army. He'd just apparate away.

Normally I don't post on these types of topics, but I have to disagree. You just have to use the most evil thing ever created by mankind. The tellytubbies. Paradrop them on him and watch Voldemort explode. Nothing can match the sheer horror.

I think the other way around, just because the mental image of a boy standing over a snake like figure is much better.
Hm, I could see that.

Hm, I could see that.
see am I right?
Harry the murderer, plus snape can't exactly fend off a bullet like Harry's spells, so two dead wizards and why not throw anyone related to the Malfoys in too, aye? We all win in the end :rolleyes:

Normally I don't post on these types of topics, but I have to disagree. You just have to use the most evil thing ever created by mankind. The tellytubbies. Paradrop them on him and watch Voldemort explode. Nothing can match the sheer horror.

lol.

Harry is not a tyrant! Harry is a tree-hugging hippie!!! Did you see him trash talk the government when talking to the Minister of Magic? He's like Michael Moore! "Did you release Stan Stunpike yet?" and all this other crap! :)

I'd like to see Voldemort shield charm his way from a nuclear missile from China.

Or at least see Voldemort try and win Prime Ministership the legal way.
1. Doesn't need one. He could just disapparate until they run out of nukes.
2. Easy. He'll just kill out the opposition. :)

Harry is not a tryant! Harry is a tree-hugging hippie!!! Did you see him trash talk the government when talking to the Minister of Magic? He's like Michael Moore! "Did you release Stan Stunpike yet?" and all this other crap! :)
I don't know what a tryant is, but I'll take your word for it.

a Tryant... is someone who tries to be a tyrant, but can't quite manage it.

Most James Bond villains are tryants.

A somewhat off topic question about Voldemort ... is he just trying to conquer the wizarding world, or is that a step towards attacking the world of the muggles?

A somewhat off topic question about Voldemort ... is he just trying to conquer the wizarding world, or is that a step towards attacking the world of the muggles?

I think Voldemort doesn't even consider the muggle world to be of any relevance save as hostages against more compassionate wizards. Since any given wizard is automatically more powerful than a muggle, dominance of wizardry is de facto dominance of muggledom.



Harry wouldn't turn into a tyrant or a Voldemort like power monger because of his past experiences. All those he has ever loved or cared about have been ripped from him because of a tyrant's power and lack of morals. He knows that these are the consequences of being a tyrant...not only never having close friends and family that trust you and that you could also invest your trust, but tearing apart other people's lives. Unless he hasn't learned anything from loosing his parents, Sirius, and Dumbledore...and the many times his other loved ones have been in dire peril...


Harry has already demonstrated the leadership capacity and willpower to place his friends in danger to rescue a single individual whom he considers more personally important. Taking the DA up against Voldemort himself in order to rescue Sirius is an excellent example. Harry is becoming harder and colder - *SPOILER WARNING* he essentially dumps Ginny because he 'doesn't want to place her in danger' but I see it as a conscious effort to cut himself off from human contact and feeling in order to slay Voldemort. He doesn't want to be personally vulnerable anymore and therefore is developing the same callous disregard for others that leads to tyranny.

I'll have to disagree with this all, taken from Dumbledore:

The thing that saves him from being seduced to the Dark Side, seeing things a Death Eater would kill to see, is the exact thing that would stop him from being a tyrant, and seperating him from Voldemort is this:

He can love, and has emotions. Yes, it's corny.

This is a new low for me posting in a Harry Potter thread but I must ask what is all the nonsense about Harry being so moral? Has anyone else noticed that as of book five any time Harry gets significantly upset he almost immediately resorts to unforgivable curses?

This is a new low for me posting in a Harry Potter thread but I must ask what is all the nonsense about Harry being so moral? Has anyone else noticed that as of book five any time Harry gets significantly upset he almost immediately resorts to unforgivable curses?
Same in the latest book, he opens up with that Pain spell like no tomorrow in the end. He goes ****ing nuts. Murder is not above him. I bet in the last book he'll be pulling out the Avada-Kedavra on everyone.

If he's absorbed Voldemort snake speak and his rule breaking, he must have absorbed some of his power hungryness also. They thought he'd be the next Voldemort for awhile, and you don't want to piss off the next Voldemort do you? Like they said in the 2nd book.

Think about it, he has enormous powers and is well-liked, mostly. What's to stop him from taking over the wizard world?

Love... hasn't that been gone into in enough detail in books 5 n 6

Same in the latest book, he opens up with that Pain spell like no tomorrow in the end. He goes ****ing nuts. Murder is not above him. I bet in the last book he'll be pulling out the Avada-Kedavra on everyone.


Of course murder isn't above him... what else do you think he'd do to Voldemort? :rolleyes: