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Canada vs Denmark: Fight to the death!!!

Iztatepopotla
27-07-2005, 15:58
This came out yesterday, but I didn't see it mentioned here. Anyway, I think it's worth a look. One news source (http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/07/25/canada.denmark.ap/index.html)

COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) -- Denmark said Monday that it will send a letter of protest to Canada over a government minister's visit to a wind-swept Arctic island off northwestern Greenland that is claimed by both countries.

Canadian Defense Minister Bill Graham set foot on the 1.3-square-kilometer (1/2-square-mile) Hans Island on Friday, saying his country has always regarded it as Canadian territory.

Denmark also claims the island, roughly 1,100 kilometers (682 miles) south of the North Pole.

"We will hand over a note to Canada in which we will express our viewpoint," said Foreign Ministry spokesman Peter Taksoe-Jensen. "Hans Island is our island."

Officials at the Canadian Embassy in Copenhagen declined to comment.

In 1973, Canada and Denmark drew a border down the inhospitable Nares Strait halfway between Greenland, a semiautonomous Danish territory, and Canada's Ellesmere Island.

But the countries decided that sovereignty over Hans Island and others in the Arctic region would be determined later.

Denmark and Canada maintain good relations despite occasional spats over the island, which can be reached only by boat during mild summers when the ice around it melts.

In 1984, Tom Hoeyem, who was Denmark's minister for Greenland affairs, caused a stir when he raised a Danish flag on the island, buried a bottle of brandy at the base of the flag pole and left a note saying "Welcome to the Danish island."

Danish navy ships visited in the island in 2002 and 2003.

Canadian soldiers came to Hans Island before Graham's visit and raised a Canadian flag.

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If you think this is too much trouble over a barren frozen rock, think about the surrounding waters and the resources that may exist under those waters. Currently, Canada, Russia, and Denmark are also conducting geological research trying to link the North Pole to their territories and be able to claim possible oil reserves.

It would be bad news for Canada if they lose this island, especially after the sad loss of the Magnetic North Pole that had been Canadian for many decades.
Laerod
27-07-2005, 16:00
This is too much hustle over an inhospitable piece of land.
Dobbsworld
27-07-2005, 16:08
It would be bad news for Canada if they lose this island, especially after the sad loss of the Magnetic North Pole that had been Canadian for many decades.

Uhhh... first I've heard of that. So who is 'claiming' ownership of the North Pole?

'Cause whoever claims it's theirs is an idiot. It's ours. Look at a map.
Corneliu
27-07-2005, 16:12
US will stay neutral!

This is interesting. Very interesting. I guess I'm going to have to keep tabs on this :D
Megaloria
27-07-2005, 16:13
Uhhh... first I've heard of that. So who is 'claiming' ownership of the North Pole?

'Cause whoever claims it's theirs is an idiot. It's ours. Look at a map.

Canada does currently own the Magnetic North Pole, but the North Pole itself is just a lot of ice with no land directly underneath,
Magnificent Germania
27-07-2005, 16:14
They are both wrong, Greenland was original a Norwegian colony witch the Danish stole from us. So that means that the island is yours ^^
Sinuhue
27-07-2005, 16:15
Uhhh... first I've heard of that. So who is 'claiming' ownership of the North Pole?

'Cause whoever claims it's theirs is an idiot. It's ours. Look at a map.
http://www.worldwidelearn.com/northpole/interviews/faq-northpole.htm
Q. What country owns the North Pole?

A. No one "owns" or has political sovereignty over the North Pole due mainly to the fact that the Geographic North Pole lies in the center of the vast Arctic Ocean. The North Pole itself is an imaginary point at the earth's northern axis where lines of longitude converge.

The magnetic pole actually moves. So we didn't quite lose it...it just moved out of Canadian territory into international waters.

I don't see how it matters though. It's not a piece of land.
Laerod
27-07-2005, 16:15
They are both wrong, Greenland was original a Norwegian colony witch the Danish stole from us.Meaning that it no longer belongs to Norway.
Iztatepopotla
27-07-2005, 16:17
Uhhh... first I've heard of that. So who is 'claiming' ownership of the North Pole?

'Cause whoever claims it's theirs is an idiot. It's ours. Look at a map.
The North Pole? Russia, Canada, and Denmark (through Greenland). They all border the North Pole. They're trying to figure out if the land underneath is geologically linked somehow to their territories to further their claims.

The Magnetic North Pole simply drifted away as it's known to do, and is now in international waters off Alaska.
Magnificent Germania
27-07-2005, 16:17
Meaning that it no longer belongs to Norway.

We take it back just give us time, with oil we could buy all of Denmark if we wanted to.
Iztatepopotla
27-07-2005, 16:22
The magnetic pole actually moves. So we didn't quite lose it...it just moved out of Canadian territory into international waters.

I don't see how it matters though. It's not a piece of land.
Yes, but it was cool having all compasses point to Canada.
Little India
27-07-2005, 16:33
It would be bad news for Canada if they lose this island, especially after the sad loss of the Magnetic North Pole that had been Canadian for many decades.

Sorry, but who ACTUALLY cares about who owns the Magnetic North Pole? I certainly don't. It doesn't really show up on my radar of the grand scheme of things. Neither does who owns some poxy little island in the middle of a load of pack-ice between Greenland and Ellesmere Island.
Kryozerkia
27-07-2005, 16:36
The size of this island is about the same size of the Skydome (renamed to Rogers Centre) x2... It's just a rock in the middle of nowhere.
Dobbsworld
27-07-2005, 16:41
The size of this island is about the same size of the Skydome (renamed to Rogers Centre) x2... It's just a rock in the middle of nowhere.

Cool. Maybe they can build a Skydome there, then. Or an Ice Palace. Or something.
Iztatepopotla
27-07-2005, 16:43
Sorry, but who ACTUALLY cares about who owns the Magnetic North Pole?
I don't know. Mmm... trivia collectors?

I certainly don't. It doesn't really show up on my radar of the grand scheme of things.
Ah, but you see, the Magnetic North Pole has a lot to do in the grand scheme of things. It moves, so a compass doesn't point the same way always and you have to be aware of the magnetic deviation in the particular place you're at if you want to find your way. Not only that, but sometimes it disappears, only to appear again where the Magnetic South Pole was.

Neither does who owns some poxy little island in the middle of a load of pack-ice between Greenland and Ellesmere Island.
Unless owning said island gave you access to undersea oil fields, or fishing rights, or to use as base for an early warning radar station.
Iztatepopotla
27-07-2005, 16:44
Cool. Maybe they can build a Skydome there, then. Or an Ice Palace. Or something.
Well, the CFL has been looking to expand...
Dobbsworld
27-07-2005, 16:46
Well, the CFL has been looking to expand...

LOL

How about hockey? the player's could train practically every day... outside!
East Canuck
27-07-2005, 16:46
The latest news from Canada over this dispute (http://www.canada.com/news/national/story.html?id=925481c1-050f-4403-a77f-7f51116f5f29)

also, On July 26, Deputy premier of Greenland, Josef Motzfeldt, stated that the island had been occupied by Canada, stating that experts should determine which country the island belongs to.

Now, it's going to be the vikings against the lumberjacks over a piece of rock that can fit twice in a sports stadium. Bring it on, Danes! We've got dog sled and maple sirup waiting for you.
;)
Sinuhue
27-07-2005, 16:49
Yes, but it was cool having all compasses point to Canada.
They still basically do. Unless you happen to be almost on top of the magnetic north pole. I mean, come on...you aren't going to notice the difference:)
Iztatepopotla
27-07-2005, 17:02
They still basically do. Unless you happen to be almost on top of the magnetic north pole. I mean, come on...you aren't going to notice the difference:)
I suppose, especially since I haven't touched a compass in 20 years. But I still had hope that one day I would visit the Tim Horton's at the Magnetic North Pole.
Bunnyducks
27-07-2005, 17:07
Bring it on, Danes! We've got dog sled and maple sirup waiting for you.

Many European nations have underestimated their secret weapon of smorgasbord. Be careful.
Glorialis
27-07-2005, 17:46
In my mind, it's a matter of principle. The Danes have been muscling in on our territory for some time now and Canadians are too passive about infringement. I think we need to show some spine in this case which is what the Minister of Defense is doing, although in an undignified passive aggressive way.

If we start showing some back here, perhaps it'll be good practice for our constant struggle with the neighbours to the south. Check this out for a start Stop deep integration with the United States (http://www.vivelecanada.ca)
Evil Cantadia
27-07-2005, 19:26
They are both wrong, Greenland was original a Norwegian colony witch the Danish stole from us. So that means that the island is yours ^^

Yea, how did the Danes get Greenland?
Shadow Council
27-07-2005, 19:29
I dont't really get it..... its an artic wasteland why should anyone care?

Besides a war between Canada and Denmark would be like watching the two wussy kids in school slap eachother around..... funny, but not exactly dangerous
Corneliu
27-07-2005, 19:32
I dont't really get it..... its an artic wasteland why should anyone care?

Besides a war between Canada and Denmark would be like watching the two wussy kids in school slap eachother around..... funny, but not exactly dangerous

I agree with this. Danes win :D
Scamptica Prime
27-07-2005, 19:36
If was actualy declared, then Canada DEFINATELY deserved that award for stupidist nation in the world award. Interesting things about the arctic: clues for global warming, keeps temperature down in rest of canada, lots of fresh water, wildlife, and oh yeah, toxins from around the world.
Borgoa
27-07-2005, 19:39
Many European nations have underestimated their secret weapon of smorgasbord. Be careful.
I hope you're not suggesting the Danish kolde bord (or whatever those wacky Danes call iT) is better than the Swedish smörgåsbord!! ;)

Seriously though (as if it really matters to be serious on such a subject), I think that the island is probably more legitimately Danish than Canadian (or perhaps even more rightly, it is Greenlandic). It's nearer to the Greenlandic Danish mainland than the Canadian coast (just).

In any case, Denmark is forced by political reality to complain to Canada. Failure to do so could spur claims by Greenlandic independence campaigners to say things such as "Denmark doesn't stand up for Greenland's rights" etc etc... so to ensure good relations between Copenhagen and Godthåb they must stand up for Hans island to be Greenlandic and thus Danish...

Anyway, the Canadians better watch out... it's never nice to have a long-boat full of Viking maurauders turning up and raping and pillaging!
East Canuck
27-07-2005, 19:42
I dont't really get it..... its an artic wasteland why should anyone care?

IF you control this island, you can claim so many miles around it to be your national water and control who gets to fish there.

Year in, year out, Canada has to stop and tow a dozen ships that fish illegally in our waters. Because of this illegal fishing, we have to keep quotas that hurt our fisheries because the fishes are not plentifull enough to be economically viable.

Now imagine if we lost 20 miles of fishes in the north that won't go south during the winter?

That is why we should care.
Shadow Council
27-07-2005, 19:48
IF you control this island, you can claim so many miles around it to be your national water and control who gets to fish there.

Year in, year out, Canada has to stop and tow a dozen ships that fish illegally in our waters. Because of this illegal fishing, we have to keep quotas that hurt our fisheries because the fishes are not plentifull enough to be economically viable.

Now imagine if we lost 20 miles of fishes in the north that won't go south during the winter?

That is why we should care.

Oh well, should be funny to watch anyways..... History will remember this as the moment when mankind truely lost all hope..... The Great Fish Wars :D
Carstenia
27-07-2005, 19:50
I say it belongs to us Danes, based on nothing but the fact that we will not let anyone steal our oil-ressources again.

Those pesky Norwegians have done it before. They quite litteraly got our Minister of Energy piss-drunk the night before the rights to drill in the North Sea were divided. I mean, the country is practically living of OUR oil! Take that oil away, and it'd be as poor as Chad, it's only ressources being dried fish, silly knittet hats, and snow..

I say we make a stand this time, sending only muslim negotiators, thus avoiding another pending disaster.

Now, I realise you might think something along the lines of 'what on earth have these Danes got to fight with, but I assure you, give us the chance and we will show these fur-trappers and lumberjacks what it's all aboot!! ;)

As for Greenland being a Norwegian territory? HA! Norway has barely been independant during the years. If not dominated by us, then dominated by Sweden. Serves them right too. I say, achieve something of your own before you make claims to our rightful territories.

While I'm at it, we need Iceland back! Declaring independance in 1943, while we are occupied by the Germans. What kind of a wuss tactic is that?

Carsten
Bunnyducks
27-07-2005, 19:50
I hope you're not suggesting the Danish kolde bord (or whatever those wacky Danes call iT) is better than the Swedish smörgåsbord!!
It's kolde bord now?!? They said it was smorgosbord (sorry... short of scandis with this keyboard) only this may! Oh how cunning they are!! * he said admirably*

Ok, get ready to to board the longboat, Borgoa. Hans Island, here we come! (Nordic co-operation and all that)
Shadow Council
27-07-2005, 19:55
Im going to enjoy watching the news coverage of the "Great Canadian Navy" (a bunch of leaky rowboats) Fight off "Denmarks Might Navy" consisting of a few rusty barges
East Canuck
27-07-2005, 19:55
Oh well, should be funny to watch anyways..... History will remember this as the moment when mankind truely lost all hope..... The Great Fish Wars :D
History will be full of funny anecdotes:

- Longboats sunk by hordes of beavers.
- Canadian Beer VS Danish Mead: the great debate of 2007.
- The fight over which flag is the true red and white.
- Smogarborsh VS Poutine: the great food fight.

Truly epic as far as conflict are concerned. :D
Borgoa
27-07-2005, 19:57
It's kolde bord now?!? They said it was smorgosbord (sorry... short of scandis with this keyboard) only this may! Oh how cunning they are!! * he said admirably*

Ok, get ready to to board the longboat, Borgoa. Hans Island, here we come! (Nordic co-operation and all that)
Indeed, the Norden Council must start the ball rolling immeadiately, the Danes are the chairman of it this year, so they really have missed this trick ;-)

We can start the boats from Finland, pick up some more Vikings in Stockholm and then go on to Copenhagen and Oslo. Of course, we will need to stop in Mariehamn to ensure we can get our tax free allowance!
Stephistan
27-07-2005, 19:57
Well not that it would ever come to war, I just don't think Canada or the Danish would go that far, and given that Canada is a much richer nation and we spend triple on our military than that of the Danes, I suggest they watch themselves. Canada could in fact kick their ass. Canada compared to many countries may seem like we don't have a military and compared to many countries it is quite small. However Denmark is not one of those countries. ;)
Iztatepopotla
27-07-2005, 19:58
While I'm at it, we need Iceland back! Declaring independance in 1943, while we are occupied by the Germans. What kind of a wuss tactic is that?
Darn! Where's North Island now? He was always calling for Danes to discuss precisely that issue and none were handy. And now, he's not around.

Anyway, the Scandinavians may have the longboats, but Canadians have the mighty hockey stick. And Rocky and Bullwinckle.
Carstenia
27-07-2005, 19:59
It's kolde bord now?!? They said it was smorgosbord (sorry... short of scandis with this keyboard) only this may! Oh how cunning they are!! * he said admirably*

Ok, get ready to to board the longboat, Borgoa. Hans Island, here we come! (Nordic co-operation and all that)

I can probably sort this one out. We have something called Det Kolde Bord, in which we have Smørrebrød. Det Kolde Bord being all manners of cold dishes, most often served on Rugbrød, a bread made from rye, not unlike the german Pumpernickel. Smørrebrød is when you pile all sorts of yummy things on top of this rugbrød. Looks like an open sandwich.

Now Danish pastry is not danish at all, being referred to in Denmarks as Wienerbrød, or bread from Vienna. Interestingly¨it is not known in Vienna, so maybe it's danish after all :rolleyes:

Carsten
Bunnyducks
27-07-2005, 20:00
We can start the boats from Finland, pick up some more Vikings in Stockholm and then go on to Copenhagen and Oslo. Of course, we will need to stop in Mariehamn to ensure we can get our tax free allowance!
Allowance!?! Fook it! We'll just raid Londinivm on our way!
Shadow Council
27-07-2005, 20:01
Well not that it would ever come to war, I just don't think Canada or the Danish would go that far, and given that Canada is a much richer nation and we spend triple on our military than that of the Danes, I suggest they watch themselves. Canada could in fact kick their ass. Canada compared to many countries may seem like we don't have a military and compared to many countries it is quite small. However Denmark is not one of those countries. ;)

Thats 'cause you border on America..... who knows maybe we'll help our friends to the North out and send a few bombers over just for kicks
Bunnyducks
27-07-2005, 20:03
Canada compared to many countries may seem like we don't have a military and compared to many countries it is quite small. However Denmark is not one of those countries. ;)Oh yeah!?! And who sent a sub to fight them terrists in the desert? Denmark did!

Edit: Okay, your subs could propably manage that too...
Borgoa
27-07-2005, 20:05
I can probably sort this one out. We have something called Det Kolde Bord, in which we have Smørrebrød. Det Kolde Bord being all manners of cold dishes, most often served on Rugbrød, a bread made from rye, not unlike the german Pumpernickel. Smørrebrød is when you pile all sorts of yummy things on top of this rugbrød. Looks like an open sandwich.

Now Danish pastry is not danish at all, being referred to in Denmarks as Wienerbrød, or bread from Vienna. Interestingly¨it is not known in Vienna, so maybe it's danish after all :rolleyes:

Carsten

I have to say "why is it called Danish pastry" in English is one of the little weird things that has always puzzeled me. It's wienerbröd here also... bread from Vienna.

I have thought of a potential Danish use for Hans ö, move Christiania there...
Bunnyducks
27-07-2005, 20:07
move Christiania there... scratch that
On other thought, why not... the idea is dying anywho...
Willamena
27-07-2005, 20:10
Yay! Go Canada! You can beat 'em!
Stephistan
27-07-2005, 20:12
Thats 'cause you border on America..... who knows maybe we'll help our friends to the North out and send a few bombers over just for kicks

We really wouldn't need them, though thank you. We have triple the size of the Danish military and they wouldn't stand a chance. We also could send out F-18's at a much easier staging ground then they could, not to mention the size of our Navy makes theirs look tiny at best. Our largest warship is double the size of their largest and we have more of them. They'd simply be out matched.

Although, with all that said, it will never come to war. Worse case, Canada might form a blockade and I believe the Danes would stand down. However most probable would be a world court type tribunal on ownership. I think neither Canada or the Danes are the type to go to war over such an issue.
East Canuck
27-07-2005, 20:12
Oh yeah!?! And who sent a sub to fight them terrists in the desert? Denmark did!

Edit: Okay, your subs could propably manage that too...
Well, we did send troops in afganistan for target practice for a US pilot...

Now which is more useful?

Besides, our subs are busy being towed from the UK because we bought the "rusty hole motiff" accessory.
Borgoa
27-07-2005, 20:15
scratch that
On other thought, why not... the idea is dying anywho...

It would be worth doing just to annoy George Bush Jnr... how could he cope with something as socialist as that to his North.
East Canuck
27-07-2005, 20:18
It would be worth doing just to annoy George Bush Jnr... how could he cope with something as socialist as that to his North.
Great!

The Danes have an evil plot for us to be invaded by the US. We have to stop them now!

Bring out hockey sticks and tomahawks (not the missiles).
Bunnyducks
27-07-2005, 20:18
It would be worth doing just to annoy George Bush Jnr... how could he cope with something as socialist as that to his North.
Well, if Copenhagen has issues with it... one could only wonder...

Edit: And I'm not considered a 'leftie' where I live... but somehow Christiania was something I wished should have lasted really. I First visited it at the tender age of 16 in 1986.

*sniff*
Borgoa
27-07-2005, 20:31
Well, if Copenhagen has issues with it... one could only wonder...

Edit: And I'm not considered a 'leftie' where I live... but somehow Christiania was something I wished should have lasted really. I First visited it at the tender age of 16 in 1986.

*sniff*
Hmm... I remember my first visit also (well, I sort of remember it... obviously the place has a strange effect on the memory!)... who are you voting for? What ideology does Sfp have in Finland? Does it have one... always wandered.

Maybe the Greenlanders could employ the same logic as Åland.... convince all the ferries between Stockholm and Finland to stop in Hans island.... I mean, it's not like it would add any time to the journey and it would be great for the economy bringing all sorts of benefits to the island's huge population.
Lovfro
27-07-2005, 20:34
We take it back just give us time, with oil we could buy all of Denmark if we wanted to.


Which is why we desperately cling on to Greenland and work hectically on finding a way to extract the ice logged gold deposits. We need wealth to rival the Norwegians!!! :P
Carstenia
27-07-2005, 20:35
Well, if Copenhagen has issues with it... one could only wonder...

Edit: And I'm not considered a 'leftie' where I live... but somehow Christiania was something I wished should have lasted really. I First visited it at the tender age of 16 in 1986.

*sniff*

Well, it hasn't been demolished yet, and I personally don't think it will be. I also find it healthy for a society to allow those with a different opinion on how things should be done/run to be allowed to have that chance.
Within reason of course. I seemed to have degenrated into a drug infested place. However, massive police actions and political pressure have now succeeded in scattering the drug dealing to all parts of the city, resulting in gang-wars and lesser control. Oh well, at least they intended well(?)

Carsten
East Canuck
27-07-2005, 20:35
Hmm... I remember my first visit also (well, I sort of remember it... obviously the place has a strange effect on the memory!)... who are you voting for? What ideology does Sfp have in Finland? Does it have one... always wandered.

Maybe the Greenlanders could employ the same logic as Åland.... convince all the ferries between Stockholm and Finland to stop in Hans island.... I mean, it's not like it would add any time to the journey and it would be great for the economy bringing all sorts of benefits to the island's huge population.
err... it would add time to the journey. Making a detour towards Canada before going towards Finland would be like going from Paris to Berlin but making a stop in London.
Sabbatis
27-07-2005, 20:42
I wonder if out of the thousands of islands, including tiny rock oucrops, there are any that haven't been claimed yet? There must be a few that nobody has bothered with.

Can you just form a government on paper, settle there, and start your own nation?
Lovfro
27-07-2005, 20:43
I say it belongs to us Danes, based on nothing but the fact that we will not let anyone steal our oil-ressources again.

Those pesky Norwegians have done it before. They quite litteraly got our Minister of Energy piss-drunk the night before the rights to drill in the North Sea were divided. I mean, the country is practically living of OUR oil! Take that oil away, and it'd be as poor as Chad, it's only ressources being dried fish, silly knittet hats, and snow..

I say we make a stand this time, sending only muslim negotiators, thus avoiding another pending disaster.

Now, I realise you might think something along the lines of 'what on earth have these Danes got to fight with, but I assure you, give us the chance and we will show these fur-trappers and lumberjacks what it's all aboot!! ;)

As for Greenland being a Norwegian territory? HA! Norway has barely been independant during the years. If not dominated by us, then dominated by Sweden. Serves them right too. I say, achieve something of your own before you make claims to our rightful territories.

While I'm at it, we need Iceland back! Declaring independance in 1943, while we are occupied by the Germans. What kind of a wuss tactic is that?

Carsten


HEAR HEAR!!!

And Denmark to the Eider.
Borgoa
27-07-2005, 20:47
err... it would add time to the journey. Making a detour towards Canada before going towards Finland would be like going from Paris to Berlin but making a stop in London.

I was of course joking!!!!

Realising though that the joke makes no sense to non-Scandinavians and maybe even non-Swedes and Finns here's some context... Ferries between Sweden and Finland pause briefly in Åland so that they can sell duty and tax-free shopping. As you know, Sweden and Finland are both in EU so there is no longer any tax free shopping allowed between EU nations. However, Åland (although part of Finland and thus the EU) is autonomous and is not part of the EU taxation regulations, so tax free is still allowed if your destination is Åland meaning the passengers can still get completely legless for cheap during the journey!
East Canuck
27-07-2005, 20:49
I was of course joking!!!!

Realising though that the joke makes no sense to non-Scandinavians and maybe even non-Swedes and Finns here's some context... Ferries between Sweden and Finland pause briefly in Åland so that they can sell duty and tax-free shopping. As you know, Sweden and Finland are both in EU so there is no longer any tax free shopping allowed between EU nations. However, Åland (although part of Finland and thus the EU) is autonomous and is not part of the EU taxation regulations, so tax free is still allowed if your destination is Åland meaning the passengers can still get completely legless for cheap during the journey!
hum. yeah, that one passed way over my head. Sorry.

But, in the spirit of this war, I shall say that you are completely wrong on all account. :)
Carstenia
27-07-2005, 20:51
HEAR HEAR!!!

And Denmark to the Eider.

*sob* Brings a tear to my eye to meet a fellow nationalist..

While were at it, let's put a claim on the Shetlands, and the Danelaw, and Normandy shoul rightfully be our again as well.

Russia was founded be the Swedes, they can have that, and give Ireland to Norway. They could use a little fertile land to be honest.

Plus the Vikings did discover America.. not sure where though, so let's not claim that at once..

This is going to be huge.. a Nordic Union of IMMENSE dimensions!!

*hysterical laughter* :D :D :D :D :D :D

Carsten
Carstenia
27-07-2005, 20:53
hum. yeah, that one passed way over my head. Sorry.

But, in the spirit of this war, I shall say that you are completely wrong on all account. :)

Right! That's enough! *whacks East Chanuk right in the nadgers!*

Carsten
Bombolobolia
27-07-2005, 20:54
I dont't really get it..... its an artic wasteland why should anyone care?

Besides a war between Canada and Denmark would be like watching the two wussy kids in school slap eachother around..... funny, but not exactly dangerous
Yeah, but if Denmark strikes first, in accordance to the Monroe Doctrine, the United States will help the North American nation defeat their European oppressor.
Bunnyducks
27-07-2005, 20:54
Ok... after reading this all, I better be the first one to announce the "guy who has always lived in Han's, but who you Canadians drowned when you sent your killer gurkhas there!" is my client.
(and possibly my ... ... niece..(?).

So many tax free possibilities..! Or chances to sue ( if only it was USA!).
Lovfro
27-07-2005, 20:57
The Baltic States though, are rightfully ours. And if I believe correctly, the Vikings made landings in Canada. One more reason for us to get this conflict going :D :D :D :D
Carstenia
27-07-2005, 20:58
Ok... after reading this all, I better be the first one to announce the "guy who has always lived in Han's, but who you Canadians drowned when you sent your killer gurkhas there!" is my client.
(and possibly my ... ... niece..(?).

So many tax free possibilities..! Or chances to sue ( if only it was USA!).

It was my Uncle! You.. DEVILS! :mad:

Carsten
East Canuck
27-07-2005, 20:58
Right! That's enough! *whacks East Chanuk right in the nadgers!*

*Is protected by well placed hockey gear.*

ooohhh! This means war, eh?

especially since you misspelled my name
Bombolobolia
27-07-2005, 21:12
Plus the Vikings did discover America.. not sure where though, so let's not claim that at once..
Ha! They discovered Newfoundland! Hahaha! Canada's rightfully yours. Denmark just wins.
East Canuck
27-07-2005, 21:22
Ha! They discovered Newfoundland! Hahaha! Canada's rightfully yours. Denmark just wins.
I'm afraid we had some native over there before they "discovered" newfoundland. Besides, they abandonned their settlements which means it's fair game.

Canada is still in the game.
Carstenia
27-07-2005, 21:32
I'm afraid we had some native over there before they "discovered" newfoundland. Besides, they abandonned their settlements which means it's fair game.

Canada is still in the game.

Well, I don't think we are dealing with The Native American Union here, but with Canada, the nation of stuck-up French descendants, fur trappers, lumberjacks, and other madmen. So that point is hardly valid, now, is it?

Besides, there are numerous accounts of white 'indians' being encountered by the first European settlers, which suggests that the colony survived, albeit in an adapted form..

Strike Denmark! :D

Carsten
East Canuck
27-07-2005, 21:38
Well, I don't think we are dealing with The Native American Union here, but with Canada, the nation of stuck-up French descendants, fur trappers, lumberjacks, and other madmen. So that point is hardly valid, now, is it?

Besides, there are numerous accounts of white 'indians' being encountered by the first European settlers, which suggests that the colony survived, albeit in an adapted form..

Strike Denmark! :D

Carsten
But we traded their land for a few mirrors and some cases of beer. The land is ours now since it was theirs to give away. :)

And we also have quite a few stuck-up English descendant too... and Irish, Polish, Chinese, etc. But mostly English.

And I find it really funny that a nation of berserkers and vikings would call us 'madmen'. ;)
Carstenia
27-07-2005, 21:58
But we traded their land for a few mirrors and some cases of beer. The land is ours now since it was theirs to give away. :)

And we also have quite a few stuck-up English descendant too... and Irish, Polish, Chinese, etc. But mostly English.

And I find it really funny that a nation of berserkers and vikings would call us 'madmen'. ;)

It's a dirty lie that the Vikings were berserkers :p
They were...traders.. in the sense that their weapons helped them quite a lot in their trading ;) But primarily they were seafarers. Viking actually means pirate.. They got as far as to inner Russia, Constantinople, Newfoundland, and the east coast of africa using advanced seafaring techniques, while the furure canadians could hardly navigate a river..

Now, trading an enormous piece of land, by giving glass-beads and mirrors in return is called 'fraud' where I come from. And I quite doubt that was the only thing done ;)

Nonetheless, I still say Denmark is ahead here.. Conceding a small piece of rock as Hans' Ø is letting you off easy..

Carsten
Borgoa
28-07-2005, 00:50
I have decided that as a citizen of a neutral country, I should mediate in this crisis.

The solution is that Hans Island will be under joint Canadian and Danish sovereignity but with Swedish protection. We shall build an Ikea store on the island and everyone will be happy ever after. Thank you and good night!
Bunnyducks
28-07-2005, 00:54
Will you provide the FULL instructions this time..? (*mutters*: You swedish bastard with your IKEA instructions)

Edit: Let's not make this the next Palestine, every knot and bolt, you Swedes!
Carstenia
28-07-2005, 13:03
I have decided that as a citizen of a neutral country, I should mediate in this crisis.

The solution is that Hans Island will be under joint Canadian and Danish sovereignity but with Swedish protection. We shall build an Ikea store on the island and everyone will be happy ever after. Thank you and good night!

What? Neutral country?
What, I might ask, about you Scandinavian inheritage?
Though an IKEA would be nice..

Carsten
ChuChulainn
28-07-2005, 13:08
What? Neutral country?
What, I might ask, about you Scandinavian inheritage?
Though an IKEA would be nice..

Carsten

I thought there was quite a lot of rivalry between denmark and sweden :confused: am i mistaken?
Carstenia
28-07-2005, 13:19
I thought there was quite a lot of rivalry between denmark and sweden :confused: am i mistaken?

Well, I believe the best way to descibe it would be that Denmark, Norway, and Sweden are siblings.. We've had some epic fights, and broken each others toys a dozen times.

However, we share history, ideas, language(almost..), and the fact that we are infinitely more beautiful than most other cultures ;)

We do enjoy bickering and arguing about who killed who, and which national soccer-team is the strongest. But faced with the world outside Scandinavia I'd say we would watch each others back every single time.

Carsten
East Canuck
28-07-2005, 13:29
psst... Sweden: while Denmark is distracted over here, why don't you make a pincer attack over that bridge of yours and catch them totally unprepared.

We can share the spoils later... :)

Also, I like the IKEA idea. Imagine a store having to pay taxes in two countries for the same store...
Carstenia
28-07-2005, 13:37
psst... Sweden: while Denmark is distracted over here, why don't you make a pincer attack over that bridge of yours and catch them totally unprepared.

We can share the spoils later... :)

Also, I like the IKEA idea. Imagine a store having to pay taxes in two countries for the same store...

Not likely to happen :) Sweden would immediately loose their opportunities to roam around drunk in Copenhagen if they actually controlled it..
Not an opportunity I see them giving up, considering the hordes of Swedes doing it every weekend.

Carsten
ChuChulainn
28-07-2005, 13:40
Not likely to happen :) Sweden would immediately loose their opportunities to roam around drunk in Copenhagen if they actually controlled it..
Not an opportunity I see them giving up, considering the hordes of Swedes doing it every weekend.

Carsten

Can you blame them what with that vibrating dance floor at Rosie McGee's. I love the sign outside "Rosie McGees makes you come on the dance floor"
Borgoa
28-07-2005, 13:44
Not likely to happen :) Sweden would immediately loose their opportunities to roam around drunk in Copenhagen if they actually controlled it..
Not an opportunity I see them giving up, considering the hordes of Swedes doing it every weekend.

Carsten

I think that Carsten is probably right. We'd only make the place dull and boring and make them put the price of alcohol up. And anyway, we would make them speak Swedish - then we would lose the chance to laugh at the "potato stuck in throat" Danish language ;) !

But seriously, I think that there is rivalry between Scandinavian nations - but friendly rivarly. Really, it is true that we would stand up for each other on the world stage.
Carstenia
28-07-2005, 13:52
I think that Carsten is probably right. We'd only make the place dull and boring and make them put the price of alcohol up. And anyway, we would make them speak Swedish - then we would lose the chance to laugh at the "potato stuck in throat" Danish language ;) !

But seriously, I think that there is rivalry between Scandinavian nations - but friendly rivarly. Really, it is true that we would stand up for each other on the world stage.

At least we're not speaking Dutch; the only serious throat disease currently considered a language. I find it very amusing though, that even the Swedes consider themselves dull..

How does that correspond with the American view on Swedes? All you hear from that camps is that Swedish girls are more or less slutty, and incredibly hot. Now hot might be true, but slutty? I don't tink you'll find more stuck-up arrogant girls than in Scandinavia..

Carsten
East Canuck
28-07-2005, 14:15
At least we're not speaking Dutch; the only serious throat disease currently considered a language. I find it very amusing though, that even the Swedes consider themselves dull..

How does that correspond with the American view on Swedes? All you hear from that camps is that Swedish girls are more or less slutty, and incredibly hot. Now hot might be true, but slutty? I don't tink you'll find more stuck-up arrogant girls than in Scandinavia..

Carsten
Yes but they are BLONDE! Therefore, they MUST be slutty because we all know that blondes have the most fun. It's a universal american truth. :)

Are you telling me that the rumours of wild orgies are not true?
Iztatepopotla
28-07-2005, 14:23
The solution is that Hans Island will be under joint Canadian and Danish sovereignity but with Swedish protection. We shall build an Ikea store on the island and everyone will be happy ever after. Thank you and good night!
Unfortunately there's only just enough space on the island for the parking lot. It could be a parking lot with a lot of Ikea catalogs in the center.
Mustangs Canada
28-07-2005, 14:24
This came out yesterday, but I didn't see it mentioned here. Anyway, I think it's worth a look. One news source (http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/07/25/canada.denmark.ap/index.html)

COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) -- Denmark said Monday that it will send a letter of protest to Canada over a government minister's visit to a wind-swept Arctic island off northwestern Greenland that is claimed by both countries.

Canadian Defense Minister Bill Graham set foot on the 1.3-square-kilometer (1/2-square-mile) Hans Island on Friday, saying his country has always regarded it as Canadian territory.

Denmark also claims the island, roughly 1,100 kilometers (682 miles) south of the North Pole.

"We will hand over a note to Canada in which we will express our viewpoint," said Foreign Ministry spokesman Peter Taksoe-Jensen. "Hans Island is our island."

Officials at the Canadian Embassy in Copenhagen declined to comment.

In 1973, Canada and Denmark drew a border down the inhospitable Nares Strait halfway between Greenland, a semiautonomous Danish territory, and Canada's Ellesmere Island.

But the countries decided that sovereignty over Hans Island and others in the Arctic region would be determined later.

Denmark and Canada maintain good relations despite occasional spats over the island, which can be reached only by boat during mild summers when the ice around it melts.

In 1984, Tom Hoeyem, who was Denmark's minister for Greenland affairs, caused a stir when he raised a Danish flag on the island, buried a bottle of brandy at the base of the flag pole and left a note saying "Welcome to the Danish island."

Danish navy ships visited in the island in 2002 and 2003.

Canadian soldiers came to Hans Island before Graham's visit and raised a Canadian flag.

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If you think this is too much trouble over a barren frozen rock, think about the surrounding waters and the resources that may exist under those waters. Currently, Canada, Russia, and Denmark are also conducting geological research trying to link the North Pole to their territories and be able to claim possible oil reserves.

It would be bad news for Canada if they lose this island, especially after the sad loss of the Magnetic North Pole that had been Canadian for many decades.

It's about time Canada started standing up for itself instead of letting other countries take everything. Hans Island IS Canadian, and it better remain Canadian.
Carstenia
28-07-2005, 14:28
Yes but they are BLONDE! Therefore, they MUST be slutty because we all know that blondes have the most fun. It's a universal american truth. :)

Are you telling me that the rumours of wild orgies are not true?

I'm sure there are orgies.. Just not involving me, dammit! ;)

And I must say, universal american truths are worth slightly less than utter nonsense in my book, if you catch my drift ;)

I think they have the most fun, because they have the power to choose really.. On the other hand, I'm blonde, and I don't see much of the fun. I should probably consider moving to South America or something, hehe..

Carsten
Dakini
28-07-2005, 14:29
It would be bad news for Canada if they lose this island, especially after the sad loss of the Magnetic North Pole that had been Canadian for many decades.
Umm... didn't the earth's magnetic pole move into canadian terriroty rfairly recently? And it doesn't really affect anything except to say "Hey, look what's over here!"
For another, I really doubt this would come to war... Denmark loves us apparantly, since we helped out a bunch in the past. They even send a whole lot of tulips to Ottawa every year.
Carstenia
28-07-2005, 14:42
Umm... didn't the earth's magnetic pole move into canadian terriroty rfairly recently? And it doesn't really affect anything except to say "Hey, look what's over here!"
For another, I really doubt this would come to war... Denmark loves us apparantly, since we helped out a bunch in the past. They even send a whole lot of tulips to Ottawa every year.

Hmmm.. odd.. I cannot recall Canada helping us at all. Well, i'm not a factbook, so I wouldn't know.

And it will most certainly not come to war ;) Although you never know with our current administration..

Carsten
East Canuck
28-07-2005, 14:46
For another, I really doubt this would come to war... Denmark loves us apparantly, since we helped out a bunch in the past. They even send a whole lot of tulips to Ottawa every year.
That would be the Dutch. Not the Danes.
Carstenia
28-07-2005, 14:57
That would be the Dutch. Not the Danes.

Thank you Dakani. You have just confirmed on of the most persistent stereotypes.. ;)

Carsten
Dakini
28-07-2005, 15:04
That would be the Dutch. Not the Danes.
Damn.

I just woke up... I'm not all here yet. Also, I was told this in a field trip in grade 8 and I'm now in uni.
East Canuck
28-07-2005, 15:05
Thank you Dakani. You have just confirmed on of the most persistent stereotypes.. ;)

Carsten
Well, you all speak the same greek to me. :p
Carstenia
28-07-2005, 18:36
Interesting developement regarding Hans Island ;)

One of the tests of a country's claim to territory is the use it makes of that territory. No Canadian Inuit have ever used the area in question. In fact, no Canadian Inuit lived permanently on adjacent Ellesmere Island in historic times until 1953, when the community of Grise Fiord was established. Clearly, Canada cannot claim the island on the basis of historic use by Canadian Inuit.

But what about Denmark? The general area in which the island is located is part of the historic hunting area of the Inughuit (Inuit) of the Thule District, and even today some occasionally travel that far north. Moreover, they have a name for this island; they call it Tartupaluk because of its kidney shape. Many of the hunters of the northern part of the district have seen this island and traveled in its vicinity.

When Ittukusuk and Asiajuk, Greenlanders, climbed to the top of Hans Island in June of 1915, they were using the island for what it historically had been to the Polar Inuit of the Thule District of Greenland - a landmark, a beacon, a hill to climb to survey ice conditions ahead. And this is what the Danish claim to Hans Island should start with - the use made of the island by the Inughuit, in whose traditional hunting area it lies.

The more recent Danish visits to the island serve to make Denmark's claim indisputable, especially in the absence of recent Canadian visits. Hans Ø, as it should now be called, has never been a part of Canada. As part of the homeland of the Inughuit, it is a part of Greenland and therefore a part of the Danish kingdom.

This is a quote from an article (http://www.nunatsiaq.com/archives/40430/opinionEditorial/opinions.html) in Nunatsiaq News, by Kenn Harper. A Canadian.

I rest my case.

Carsten