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Dont look it up first estimate how many you think.

Sorry Sdaeriji can you delete your post, I was wanting to see how many people could estimate the number off the top of there heads. To gauge perception.

no clue...

but would not be suprised if it was over 2 million. So that's what I chose

Millions. There'll likely be several different 'estimates' depending on who you want to believe.

Sorry Sdaeriji can you delete your post, I was wanting to see how many people could estimate the number off the top of there heads. To gauge perception.

I did estimate the number off the top of my head. Was I right?

Erm... the civilians which died in what war?

I did estimate the number off the top of my head. Was I right?

According to the article I just checked on Wikipedia at least...

I did estimate the number off the top of my head. Was I right?

can you stick an "I estimate" in before the figures in your post then please?

I dont want to say here case it ruins the poll results, you can check on probablly wikipedia.

Thanks Sdaeriji, sorry its just that the post was directly under the poll, lower down here in the thread people wont be able to see figure.

Erm... the civilians which died in what war?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War

This one Olantia sorry if I was unclear tovarisch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War

This one Olantia sorry if I was unclear tovarisch.
Tht's OK. :)

Y'know, Vietnam saw a lot of conflicts in the 20th century. The French, the Vietnamese fighting among themselves, the Americans, the Chinese, even the Cambodians! Vietnam has seen it all.

According to Giap the Vietnamese lost 2,000,000 combatants over the course of the war so civilian deaths would be proportional.


Dont look it up first estimate how many you think.

So how many? I want the numbers!! :headbang:

The accepted estimate for civillian deaths is currently between 2,000,000 and 4,000,000.

Sorry it cant be more accurate, there is not enough data.

The accepted estimate for civillian deaths is currently between 2,000,000 and 4,000,000.

Sorry it cant be more accurate, there is not enough data.
Wouf! That's pretty much...

But during WWII, the Nazi killed 25 million Russian Soldiers... and something like 15 million civils... :(

Wouf! That's pretty much...

But during WWII, the Nazi killed 25 million Russian Soldiers... and something like 15 million civils... :(

Yes, the Russian people defeated fascism for us all, whilst withstanding attrocious casualty figures against the bulk of the fascist armies.

Is this before or after the US pulled out early?

Yes, the Russian people defeated fascism for us all, whilst withstanding attrocious casualty figures against the bulk of the fascist armies.

I trust no-one misses the irony here...

Is this before or after the US pulled out early?

the duration of the war 1954 to 1975.

The US and allies pulled out in '73 I believe.

I trust no-one misses the irony here...

Feel free to point out the irony, I do not see it?

Other than you are implying the Russian people are fascits? Which I would disagree with.

Feel free to point out the irony, I do not see it?

Other than you are implying the Russian people are fascits? Which I would disagree with.
Right. Stalin was a communist. Ultimately, however, the difference seems minimal.

Right. Stalin was a communist. Ultimately, however, the difference seems minimal.


Stalin was Georgian, and neither was he "the Russian people". He wasn't a Communist either, he just called himself one. And the ideological and practical differences are huge.

Stalin was as bad a totalitarian as Hitler. I'll not get into arguments over Scotsmen but I just find it mildlyamusing that the Russians fought and died and still ended up as badly off as though they'd lost.

Stalin was as bad a totalitarian as Hitler. I'll not get into arguments over Scotsmen but I just find it mildlyamusing that the Russians fought and died and still ended up as badly off as though they'd lost.

So you agree the statement is not ironic afterall?

Stalin was Georgian, and neither was he "the Russian people". He wasn't a Communist either, he just called himself one. And the ideological and practical differences are huge.


If all of these "Communist" countries are not "communist", what are they? Sorry, but if a nation refers to themselves as communist, I'll take their word for it.

If all of these "Communist" countries are not "communist", what are they? Sorry, but if a nation refers to themselves as communist, I'll take their word for it.

Then you'd be wrong, this is not the point of this thread, but there is no such thing as a communist "country" it is a contradiction in terms. Make a list of the countries you are refering and look up there social-economic and political models, then compare then to various different ideologies, and I am sure you can correlate a reasonable label to place on them.

Then you'd be wrong, this is not the point of this thread, but there is no such thing as a communist "country" it is a contradiction in terms. Make a list of the countries you are refering and look up there social-economic and political models, then compare then to various different ideologies, and I am sure you can correlate a reasonable label to place on them.

I always favoured the term "State Capitalist" myself.

If all of these "Communist" countries are not "communist", what are they? Sorry, but if a nation refers to themselves as communist, I'll take their word for it.

Iraq under Saddam refered to it's self as a democracy. China refers to it's self as a people's republic.

Tht's OK. :)

Y'know, Vietnam saw a lot of conflicts in the 20th century. The French, the Vietnamese fighting among themselves, the Americans, the Chinese, even the Cambodians! Vietnam has seen it all.

Don't forget the Japanese.

The Vietnamese had to kick out many imperialist powers in a row, the French, the Japanese, the French again, the Americans......

Don't forget the Japanese.

The Vietnamese had to kick out many imperialist powers in a row, the French, the Japanese, the French again, the Americans......

To be fair, the japanese kicked the french out the first time, not the vietnamese.

true, sorry. Well then, the Japanese, French once, then United States