NationStates Jolt Archive

Not sure if this has been done before or not, so I decided to do it. I was reading in the USA Today that in 3 weeks Israel begins the Gaza pullout out the 8,000 settlerers, and I was wondering what you people thought about it.

Personally I am extremely opposed to it. In my opinion people who go around kiling themselves and civilans do not deserve to have their own country, for if they are like this before they are a legit country with true economic trade and an established military, imagine just how terrible they will be once they have all these things. You give these people an inch they will take a mile. The militants will take over the military and start firing missles into Israel and WW3 will begin. Cheers people, its the beginning of the end of the world in my opinion.

I'll set up a poll now.

Not sure if this has been done before or not, so I decided to do it. I was reading in the USA Today that in 3 weeks Israel begins the Gaza pullout out the 8,000 settlerers, and I was wondering what you people thought about it.

Personally I am extremely opposed to it. In my opinion people who go around kiling themselves and civilans do not deserve to have their own country, for if they are like this before they are a legit country with true economic trade and an established military, imagine just how terrible they will be once they have all these things. You give these people an inch they will take a mile. The militants will take over the military and start firing missles into Israel and WW3 will begin. Cheers people, its the beginning of the end of the world in my opinion.

I'll set up a poll now.
Palistinians feel they have a right to their own country. Israel feel they have the same rights.
Palistinian atrocities are similar to Israeli atrocities the only differerence is that Palistinians try to kill anyone they can and the Israelis make no effort to not kill children and non-combatants.

On both sides the end result is the same.

Both sides stink from where I sit.

This is where the US should be using their power to make a fair and bloodless
pair of nations but they seem to have a bias in favour of just one side :(

Intimate life of states is not a subject for a public discussion. If you were pulling out of your girlfriend, would you want it discussed by all kind of random people on the internet? :p

Intimate life of states is not a subject for a public discussion. If you were pulling out of your friend, would you want it discussed by all kind of random people on the internet? :p

Excuse me? You know what, I was going to actually reply to that, but instead I'm going to settle for this: *plants flag next to Womble* you've been flagged.

Intimate life of states is not a subject for a public discussion. If you were pulling out of your girlfriend, would you want it discussed by all kind of random people on the internet? :p

Hahaha. That is well put.

Meh. If I was in charge of things in Israel, there would be no chance of a pullout in Gaza. They're taken enough shit from the Arab world, and from others, to keep what they have. After the shit-fest of the Golan Heights and like engagements, I would feel pretty secure in saying 'F.U.' to everyone else, and daring them to come again.

But I don't really care, one way or the other. I seriously doubt the concession of Gaza, or any other place, is going to be enough to cure what ails the region.

Doesn't matter to me one way or the other.

If they want to blow each other back to hell, I say let 'em. It's not really any of my business. Nor is it my job to "save" any of them.

I believe if one wants the Palestinian side to adhere to its promises, the Israeli side must demonstrate they will adhere to its.

I believe if one wants the Palestinian side to adhere to its promises, the Israeli side must demonstrate they will adhere to its.
Unfortunately, nobody is naive enough to think that the Palestinians will overnight become Israel and Jew loving people who wish for nothing more than to co-exist peacefully with their neighbours. Don't get me wrong, most of them are, but its the militants in control, and deals mean nothing to them. However, Israel is showing the world that we are making steps towards peace, we're showing the world that we are not the guilty party in this.

Unfortunately, nobody is naive enough to think that the Palestinians will overnight become Israel and Jew loving people who wish for nothing more than to co-exist peacefully with their neighbours. Don't get me wrong, most of them are, but its the militants in control, and deals mean nothing to them. However, Israel is showing the world that we are making steps towards peace, we're showing the world that we are not the guilty party in this.

I never said it would end problems overnight -- but you must admit, people moving INTO Palestinian territories specifically to squat and defying their own government treaties is NOT helping.

I never said it would end problems overnight -- but you must admit, people moving INTO Palestinian territories specifically to squat and defying their own government treaties is NOT helping.
It is completely ignorant.

The Palestineans have seen the offer and if the Israelis would stop trying to insist on not leaving (hell, most of the settlers aren't even Israeli), we migh see fewer bombings, and less of a conflict. IF both sides respected the other (bloody wishful thinking), something positive might happen.

There won't be any peace unless the Palestinians get some of their land back. This won't guarantee peace if that happens, but it enables it.

In my opinion people who go around kiling themselves and civilans do not deserve to have their own country, for if they are like this before they are a legit country with true economic trade and an established military, imagine just how terrible they will be once they have all these things. You give these people an inch they will take a mile. The militants will take over the military and start firing missles into Israel and WW3 will begin. Cheers people, its the beginning of the end of the world in my opinion.

'these people'? What, all Palestinian people? If the US bombs Iraq or Russia bombs Chechnya, does that mean the citizens of these countries don't deserve statehood too? and don't you think maybe the radicalisation of the Palestinian people has something to do with the jackboot of repression that's been on their windpipe for decades? And as for the suicide bomber thing, ask yourself, if you were fighting repression and lacked F16s and armored bulldozers, what other recourse would you have? Of course there are evil maniacs on the Palestinian side, that do contemptable things like blow up civilian buses. Then again the list of countries that has performed hideous military actions against civilians is pretty long, and chances are includes your own country.

Its about friggin time they got out .

Not sure if this has been done before or not, so I decided to do it. I was reading in the USA Today that in 3 weeks Israel begins the Gaza pullout out the 8,000 settlerers, and I was wondering what you people thought about it.

Personally I am extremely opposed to it. In my opinion people who go around kiling themselves and civilans do not deserve to have their own country, for if they are like this before they are a legit country with true economic trade and an established military, imagine just how terrible they will be once they have all these things. You give these people an inch they will take a mile. The militants will take over the military and start firing missles into Israel and WW3 will begin. Cheers people, its the beginning of the end of the world in my opinion.

I'll set up a poll now.

I'm ambivalent about it. If it takes away some of the "justification" much of the world sees in palestinian terrorism, and helps calm down the Palestinians, then it may work out to Israel's benefit. If it simply gives more resources to the palestinians that they can use to attack Israel, then it's not good.

The Palestinians won't get a state because they deserve it. They may get one because it's in Israel's best interests. First of all it will take away some of the the anti-semitic Jew bashers' ammunition when criticising Israel, secondly it allows Israel to wage an all out war if Palestine continues to launch attacks against Israel.

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Personally I am extremely opposed to it. In my opinion people who go around kiling themselves and civilans do not deserve to have their own country, for if they are like this before they are a legit country with true economic trade and an established military, imagine just how terrible they will be once they have all these things.

Boo hoo. The Palestinians are not the first people to fight a war of independence, nor are they the first ever to resort to extremely bloody actions to advance their goal. I don't think that what Hamas and co. do is right, or in Palestine's best interests, but this is where they are coming from. If you are going to say that "people who go around kiling themselves and civilans do not deserve to have their own country", then no independence movement in history has ever deserved to win.

You give these people an inch they will take a mile. The militants will take over the military and start firing missles into Israel and WW3 will begin. Cheers people, its the beginning of the end of the world in my opinion.

Not a chance. Israel has nuclear weapons. MAD my friend, it's a wonderful thing.

The Palestinians won't get a state because they deserve it. They may get one because it's in Israel's best interests. First of all it will take away some of the the anti-semitic Jew bashers' ammunition when criticising Israel, secondly it allows Israel to wage an all out war if Palestine continues to launch attacks against Israel.
I agree. NAS Rebels, surely even you must admit that the current status quo of endless tit-for-tat attacks between both sides is unacceptable.

personally, i think the whole creation of israel was BS in the first place ....... everyone was just feeling guilty after WWII so they gave into the zionist racist sh*t and forced innocent palestinians off of their own land ..... why couldn't the jewish settlers just coexist with palestine in the first place, instead of stealing their land with the backing of a blank U.S. military check?

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Just split the region in half. North for one and South for the other. But that would be too easy.