NationStates Jolt Archive

I am in Quebec City right now at a French Immersion program run by Laval University (very seperatist) and many of the people who run the program are seperatists. Hence, when I speak English here, even though I can bearly speak a word of French, I am punished (French essays, deprived of free time, parents called, etc). I know what they're trying to accomplish, although they have failed in making me "want" to speak French anymore. Anyways, back to the point of this thread, in the last Referendum, the vote was pretty much 50-50, but there was more votes on the "no" side than the "yes" side, so they didn't. Now, in Quebec, they is talk again of seperation and wonder if they should not simply be allowed to seperate. Personally, I can see their economy doing poorly and eventually, they will look to rejoin Canada. But I wonder if it would get rid of the seperatism if they had a few years on their own and saw it wasn't so merry as they had imagined. They seem to be the only province that even discusses this issue with any thought to it (Alberta does, but its pretty mindless and this coming from an Albertan).

Canada lets Quebec go and the US lets California go and we form a trade agreement that unites us economically only. Supporting a bunch of French Canadians can't be any worse than footing the bill for Montana...

can't be any worse than footing the bill for Montana...

Where would you get all that beef from? Montana steaks are yummy. I would rather have that then a crepe any day.

Well, as for being punished for speaking English, I would a) tell them to fuck off, and b) sue their asses if they keep it up. But that's just me.

I don't have anything against our French-Canadian population, but this separatist stuff is just silly. I doubt many actually want to separate, they're just using it as a bludgeon to get their own way. If they really DO want to separate, then fine, go right ahead... of course, they'll have to give back any land Canada gave them at Confederation (if any), and they'll have to run up their own economy with their own currency, and being a soverign nation they shouldn't expect any special treatment in terms of financial aid from Canada...

:)

Sure.

Give them freedom.

Where would you get all that beef from? Montana steaks are yummy. I would rather have that then a crepe any day.
I tend to eat more poltury than anything else and NorCal is riddled with cows. Who talk like surfers if the cheese ads are to be believed...

NO!!! NEVER!!! NEVER!! Even if Canada and Québec are not sooooo similiar...
ok, they are quite different. BUT NEVER!!!

BTW, I am a Québecker.

Haha, I'd love the irony if you guys fought a war to keep Quebec.

No we should not simply "let" Quebec separate. The province is an integral part of our history, our culture and our heritage. Without them we would both be weaker.

In the long run, they won't separate. Say for example they do separate, then both our economies will take a hit, and theirs undoubtly crash because of the cheap resources they gained from the other provinces. France or any other country won't aid them cause it'll involve shipping through Canada (via Newfoundland from Europe, or Ontario from America), thus costing more money. Soon enough, Quebec will give up on the separation and agree to rejoin Canada.

Actually, I just came back from Montreal a few days ago. They are ultra-liberal. Gay couples just walking down the street. Anyway, I voted other, but if the majority is for it, then go ahead. I also heard about the west breaking off also. That leaves Ontario, NB, PEI, and Nova Scotia. The three territories will probably be with the west.

Also, I think we should give Alaska to Canada. It's attached to them. ;)

Wouldn't Alaskan's love that... after all they didn't vote Bush.

Doesn't Canada "let" Quebec seperate whenever it feels like? Don't Quebecers usually vote to remain part of Canada? Is there something I'm not getting.

Alaska was a solid red state.

Alaska was a solid red state.Then I've confused it Hawaii. :D

Wouldn't Alaskan's love that... after all they didn't vote Bush.

:confused: Where'd you get that from?

Alaska has voted Republican since President Johnson (Democrat) was elected in November 1962.

Alaska voted Bush. I was in shock when I saw that... I thought for sure they'd be blue, not wanting their protected lands torn apart by the oil industry. Apparently I was wrong.

Anyway, I come from a VERY anglophone city in Ontario where I'm not even sure you could get service in French for everything a Francophone would need. I'd always been of the opinion, "Fine, let the snobs separate. Buncha aloof jerks, anyway. And if their free nation gets huffy with Canada, we'll just take it back and wipe out the French, making it anglophone."

But, now I've actually been to Montreal, and I must say I absolutely LOVED it. I've heard Quebec City is a festering hole of English-haters, but Montreal city was absolutely lovely. I've never felt more welcomed at a place. I was amazed how it seemed that everyone there was bilingual... I tried to fake it with my grade 9 level French (mostly forgotten in the last decade and a bit), but they caught on to me pretty fast. :P But, yeah... wonderful place. I say let Quebec City separate and form their own city state. Then they can sit there and suck all by themselves while we keep the nice French people. :)

I am in Quebec City right now at a French Immersion program run by Laval University (very seperatist) and many of the people who run the program are seperatists. Hence, when I speak English here, even though I can bearly speak a word of French, I am punished (French essays, deprived of free time, parents called, etc). I know what they're trying to accomplish, although they have failed in making me "want" to speak French anymore.

French people from Quebec take english immersion program in different canadian university and are also expected to speak english only, that's the objective of the class. That rant was pointless...

Anyways, back to the point of this thread, in the last Referendum, the vote was pretty much 50-50, but there was more votes on the "no" side than the "yes" side, so they didn't. Now, in Quebec, they is talk again of seperation and wonder if they should not simply be allowed to seperate.

You need 50%+1 of the province vote to accomplish separation. If you just kick them away, the 50%+1 who rigth now want to stay with Canada wont be happy.

Personally, I can see their economy doing poorly and eventually, they will look to rejoin Canada. But I wonder if it would get rid of the seperatism if they had a few years on their own and saw it wasn't so merry as they had imagined.

After a separation, Quebec would still be in the top 20 richest country in the world, far from what the federalist propaganda are trying to tell you. On the other hand, a separation would'nt be the financial el dorado separatiste are telling us.

They seem to be the only province that even discusses this issue with any thought to it (Alberta does, but its pretty mindless and this coming from an Albertan).

I've heard British Columbia also have this discussion sometimes.

I've heard British Columbia also have this discussion sometimes.

Nope, not at all. We joke about it, nothing more.

... wonder if they should not simply be allowed to separate.If they democratically elect to separate...I don't see why...or how they can be forced to stay...

even if there is Armed confrontation (Army vs Rebels)...eventually the final result would be the same.

No we should not simply "let" Quebec separate. The province is an integral part of our history, our culture and our heritage. Without them we would both be weaker.

If that were the case, you'd see an incredible surge of force coming from the Maritimes, as we'd be gung-ho to conquer Montreal and finally have a city that's worth a damn to the other provinces.

If that were the case, you'd see an incredible surge of force coming from the Maritimes, as we'd be gung-ho to conquer Montreal and finally have a city that's worth a damn to the other provinces.use the force Luke...

Alaska voted Bush. I was in shock when I saw that... I thought for sure they'd be blue, not wanting their protected lands torn apart by the oil industry. Apparently I was wrong.
Dude. Alaskans get $2500 a year just for living in Alaska, after six months of citizenship. They have free University Education at UAF, UAA, or UAJ (Fairbanks, Anchorage, Jeuneau). They don't pay the following: Income Tax (State, they still pay the IRS), Sales Tax, or Property Tax. Their government STILL spends less than they make, they have an insanely huge amount of money saved in their treasury, and Alaska is the #1 government (#2 is China) to lend money to the Federal goverment. ALL because of the taxes the Alaskan Government levys on Oil Drillers, Tankers, Surveyers, etc. And fees for the Alaska Pipeline. They're blueballing, they want ANWR to be drilled so badly.

Just a question to follow Canadian, please don't take this portrait too personal. But it seems to me our country is kind of chaotic because of the difference.

Canada political spectrum:

British Columbia appears to be pretty liberal and open minded.

Alberta, Sask. and Manitoba seems a little bit more conservative, I would say some even looks bigoted. They want to keep there oil for them and are mad when we don't buy there crop/beef.

Ontario is liberal politically, but pretty right wing when it come to economy

Quebec is liberal, but we are stuck with some old-timer who still think English people are the Übber EVIL

And then we have the maritime who basically live from what they can get by fishing, which is not that much considering how we ruined ocean these last years.


So the question is how could we not collapse?

British Columbia appears to be pretty liberal and open minded.
I heard somewhere that BC wanted to become a United State. I guess that might've been during the Clinton administration.

God, I miss that man...

Give Quebec to France.

Then take the U.S. from every state north of the Bible belt.

Finally, the southern states can have Mexico. I've already discussed this with several conservatives, and they agree, the immigration problem could be totally solved by annexing Mexico, and Mexico has so many natural resources and workers, that it's merely their corrupt government stopping them from being a paradise.

I think that if the Quebeceans voted on the subject and the majority wanted to seperate they should be able to. I don't know Canadian law so could someone answer me a question? Can they legally seperate? I hope they could and will. It would be an interesting political and economical experiment. I am a staurch supporter or localization of government. I live in Wisconsin in the U.S. and would really like to see in seperate from the other states. Not form its own country but get a little more freedom in self-determination. Does anyone know if its legal in the U.S. for a state to seperate from the Union? The whole civil war was over this issue but I never understood if it was illegal to seperate. If it is I believe this should be changed so states can decide how tightly they become tied to the national government. The states should be allowed to form coalitions, or be able to seperate themselves from the Federal gov. in varying degrees depending how they decide. States rights should not be comprimised by Federal control! And besides direct democracy would be much easier in smaller areas. Its all about people deciding what they want, not representatives deciding for them.

Give Quebec to France.

Then take the U.S. from every state north of the Bible belt.

Finally, the southern states can have Mexico. I've already discussed this with several conservatives, and they agree, the immigration problem could be totally solved by annexing Mexico, and Mexico has so many natural resources and workers, that it's merely their corrupt government stopping them from being a paradise.

Kinda like this?

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7242/usa0cr.jpg

lol :D

Newfoundland has a seperatist party, lead by... Jerry Boile I think... He gets ads on TV sometimes...:D

I heard somewhere that BC wanted to become a United State. I guess that might've been during the Clinton administration.

God, I miss that man...

There's one wacko party that wants BC to be a 51st state of America.

It's called The Annexation Party of British Columbia

http://www.annexationbc.com/

This guy must be lonely.

I am in Quebec City right now at a French Immersion program run by Laval University (very seperatist) and many of the people who run the program are seperatists. Hence, when I speak English here, even though I can bearly speak a word of French, I am punished (French essays, deprived of free time, parents called, etc).Do you know the meaning of the word "immersion"? You're being immersed. You'll get used to it.
In the meantime, *hands We hate China a straw*...
Suck it up.
You are not being punished, you are being taught. I don't personally agree with the methods, but that is what language immersion is about.
I know what they're trying to accomplish, although they have failed in making me "want" to speak French anymore.Then go home.

As for Quebec seperatists, they can leave Canada if they want. They can not have a big chunk of Canada, it's resources, and many Canadian citizens who wish to continue being Canadians. Leave the country the old-fashioned way; emigrate.

I think that if the Quebeceans...Quebecois.

Let the East stay the same and have Western Canada seperate and form it's own sovereign nation. It's time that we in the West stop being taken advantage of and treated like dirt from our eastern counterparts! They take all our resources, they take all our money to benifit their own pockets, well I say enough! I wish Ralph would just have the balls to seperate, and take Saskatchewan, Manitoba, British Columbia, Yukon and Northwest Territories with us!

Death to the east! Glory to the west!

I thought the old-fassioned way was to say you are in a new nation. It's years older than the "get up and leave" method.

This is my nation.
No it isn't. It's mine.
Wait. I have a radical new idea.
What is it?
I'm just going to get up and leave.
It's so crazy, it might just work.
My golly. It worked.
Wanna kill a mammoth?
Sure.

Lol. Jesusland. That is so true.

I heard somewhere that BC wanted to become a United State. I guess that might've been during the Clinton administration.

God, I miss that man...

Possibly six or seven British Columbians. Maybe eight. It is not clear to me that the Annexation Party has more than one member.