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http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/07/12/blood.shtml

yes it's old, but i just came across it now.

Voronezh Scientists Turn Blood into Coffee, Milk, Chocolate

Scientists at the Voronezh State Technological Academy have developed a method for processing blood and turning it into food products such as milk, yogurt, chocolate, and coffee, Interfax quotes the academy’s administration as saying.

Voronezh scientists noticed that every meat packing plant wastes about 7 tons of blood daily. So they worked on a solution for utilizing it. They have already released test foods that do not differ in taste from traditional foods they imitate, the academy told Interfax.

The academy’s administration also noted that the foods created by Voronezh scientists contain unique blood proteins that are metabolized by the human body twice as fast as egg proteins, Interfax writes.

At the moment, the foods prepared according to the academy’s methods are in Moscow for testing and research.

As long as I can't taste the difference...

Oh, that would be easy. What you do is you extract all the plasma, red cells, white cells and platelets from it, then add cocoa, milk and sugar… hey presto, you have chocolate.

always wanted to be an anonymous vampire

Meh, so long as the blood was disease free, I'd have no problems consuming food from processed blood.

And a few years down the road we'll have "mad human disease"....spongiform encephalopathy

And a few years down the road we'll have "mad human disease"....spongiform encephalopathy
you mean we don't have it rampantly cruising through parts of our populance already? :p

I smell Soylent Green coming next.

That will go weel with the Kaiser's bread from sawdust recipe. :rolleyes:

And a few years down the road we'll have "mad human disease"....spongiform encephalopathy
Kuru and Creutzfeld-Jakob. Only transmittable through the ingestion of infected brain tissue, and possibly other major nervous groupings.

I guess it's good not to waste all that blood. I wonder if food made from blood is kosher?

Ghost Stalker']I smell Soylent Green coming next.

I smell the birth of a new special interest wing at Liberal's "R" Us. Vampire Rights, they must be declared a protected class immediately!

I don't see what the big deal is here. People are willing to eat all sort of disgusting parts of animals, but the thought of processed blood is "kinda fucked up?" Perhaps if it were human blood...

Do you have any idea what is in hot dogs?

Kuru and Creutzfeld-Jakob. Only transmittable through the ingestion of infected brain tissue, and possibly other major nervous groupings.
It can be transmitted by blood, technically. If prions are loose in the blood due to some catastrophic injury to the head...

Liverbreath']I smell the birth of a new special interest wing at Liberal's "R" Us. Vampire Rights, they must be declared a protected class immediately!
Just think of all the poor vampire children that starve to death each year due to being unable to get ahold of fresh blood!

:D

It can be transmitted by blood, technically. If prions are loose in the blood due to some catastrophic injury to the head...

Prions are complete and total bullshit. I find it amazing how few people outside of the academic scientific community recognize this, but I suppose it's simply too "technical" for the mainstream news to get into.

Yes, the researcher who "discovered" prions got a Nobel prize. And millions of dollars in funding from the cattle industry. Beyond this, he got his Nobel prize within a couple years of making his discovery, an unprecedented speed for a Nobel committee which usually waits to see the historical implications of discoveries. Keep in mind that this is the same Nobel committee who waited 20 years to give Watson and Crick their prizes for discovering the structure of DNA (Rosalind Franklin, their forgotten collaborator, was long dead by then). Industry pressure, anyone?

Why the farce of prions continues to this day is a complex matter, but it mainly involves the fact that the prion is an "ideal" agent of disease from the cattle industry's perspective. It is difficult to transfer from cow to cow or cow to human. Correcting this "abnormality" simply required a reformulation of cow feed.

The fact remains that prions are simply not the cause of mad cow disease. Sheep have a similar ailment but no prions have ever been found in their systems. Prions have never been shown to be able to transmit a disease.

Many researchers now believe that spongiform encephalopathy is caused by bacteria such as Acinetobacter baumanii (famous for hospital infections as well). Prions may be a downstream effect of such an infection, but they are certainly not the cause of brain degeneration.

Do you have any idea what is in hot dogs?


Lips, eyelids and assholes?

Prions are complete and total bullshit. I find it amazing how few people outside of the academic scientific community recognize this, but I suppose it's simply too "technical" for the mainstream news to get into.

Yes, the researcher who "discovered" prions got a Nobel prize. And millions of dollars in funding from the cattle industry. Beyond this, he got his Nobel prize within a couple years of making his discovery, an unprecedented speed for a Nobel committee which usually waits to see the historical implications of discoveries. Keep in mind that this is the same Nobel committee who waited 20 years to give Watson and Crick their prizes for discovering the structure of DNA (Rosalind Franklin, their forgotten collaborator, was long dead by then). Industry pressure, anyone?

Why the farce of prions continues to this day is a complex matter, but it mainly involves the fact that the prion is an "ideal" agent of disease from the cattle industry's perspective. It is difficult to transfer from cow to cow or cow to human. Correcting this "abnormality" simply required a reformulation of cow feed.

The fact remains that prions are simply not the cause of mad cow disease. Sheep have a similar ailment but no prions have ever been found in their systems. Prions have never been shown to be able to transmit a disease.

Many researchers now believe that spongiform encephalopathy is caused by bacteria such as Acinetobacter baumanii (famous for hospital infections as well). Prions may be a downstream effect of such an infection, but they are certainly not the cause of brain degeneration.

Yet they still can't make a diet soft drink that tastes like the regular. Well, Diet Dr. Pepper is close.... :rolleyes:
So, if the BBB is compromised and A. baumanii enters the bloodstream, then we still have a problem, do we not? I just hopped on the CDC website, and they are still leaning towards the prion explanation, and the WHO says:

"The nature of the BSE agent is still a matter of debate. According to the prion theory, the agent is composed largely, if not entirely, of a self-replicating protein, referred to as a prion. Another theory argues that the agent is virus-like and possesses nucleic acids which carry genetic information. Strong evidence collected over the past decade supports the prion theory, but the ability of the BSE agent to form multiple strains is more easily explained by a virus-like agent."

If you could point me to the journal that speaks of the A. baumanii/BSE link, I would really appreciate it. Sifting through abstracts at this hour is.... tedious.

I can't imagine that the amount of blood available for food would ever be large enough, practical enough, or cost efficient enough to warrant it's use in this way on even a small scale, aside form those who just want to say they 'ate' blood, but are too wuss to just drain some from someone and do it.
Wait, we COULD recycle all of the used tampons and pads out there! Women could place them in a baggy and take them by for a refund amount, like with aluminum cans. Headin' to the patent office! :headbang:

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/07/12/blood.shtml

yes it's old, but i just came across it now.

I don't see anything particularly strange about this. It's a nice idea if it actually helps reduce wastefulness, and it's not like we don't consume some blood with our meat anyway. Ever squeezed a steak?

Prions are complete and total bullshit. I find it amazing how few people outside of the academic scientific community recognize this, but I suppose it's simply too "technical" for the mainstream news to get into.

Yes, the researcher who "discovered" prions got a Nobel prize. And millions of dollars in funding from the cattle industry. Beyond this, he got his Nobel prize within a couple years of making his discovery, an unprecedented speed for a Nobel committee which usually waits to see the historical implications of discoveries. Keep in mind that this is the same Nobel committee who waited 20 years to give Watson and Crick their prizes for discovering the structure of DNA (Rosalind Franklin, their forgotten collaborator, was long dead by then). Industry pressure, anyone?

Why the farce of prions continues to this day is a complex matter, but it mainly involves the fact that the prion is an "ideal" agent of disease from the cattle industry's perspective. It is difficult to transfer from cow to cow or cow to human. Correcting this "abnormality" simply required a reformulation of cow feed.

The fact remains that prions are simply not the cause of mad cow disease. Sheep have a similar ailment but no prions have ever been found in their systems. Prions have never been shown to be able to transmit a disease.

Many researchers now believe that spongiform encephalopathy is caused by bacteria such as Acinetobacter baumanii (famous for hospital infections as well). Prions may be a downstream effect of such an infection, but they are certainly not the cause of brain degeneration.
A source would be nice. If they aren't, quite a large number of textbooks (college level mind you) need to be changed. I don't have the current edition of mine (I had the 6th edition of Campbell's biology), so don't know if the changes are in there yet.

Soylent Green ROCKS!!!!!

:p

A source would be nice. If they aren't, quite a large number of textbooks (college level mind you) need to be changed. I don't have the current edition of mine (I had the 6th edition of Campbell's biology), so don't know if the changes are in there yet.

Campbells is such a great intro text!

Prions are complete and total bullshit. I find it amazing how few people outside of the academic scientific community recognize this, but I suppose it's simply too "technical" for the mainstream news to get into.

Yes, the researcher who "discovered" prions got a Nobel prize. And millions of dollars in funding from the cattle industry. Beyond this, he got his Nobel prize within a couple years of making his discovery, an unprecedented speed for a Nobel committee which usually waits to see the historical implications of discoveries. Keep in mind that this is the same Nobel committee who waited 20 years to give Watson and Crick their prizes for discovering the structure of DNA (Rosalind Franklin, their forgotten collaborator, was long dead by then). Industry pressure, anyone?

Why the farce of prions continues to this day is a complex matter, but it mainly involves the fact that the prion is an "ideal" agent of disease from the cattle industry's perspective. It is difficult to transfer from cow to cow or cow to human. Correcting this "abnormality" simply required a reformulation of cow feed.

The fact remains that prions are simply not the cause of mad cow disease. Sheep have a similar ailment but no prions have ever been found in their systems. Prions have never been shown to be able to transmit a disease.

Many researchers now believe that spongiform encephalopathy is caused by bacteria such as Acinetobacter baumanii (famous for hospital infections as well). Prions may be a downstream effect of such an infection, but they are certainly not the cause of brain degeneration.
*Laughs*

This is classic. I mean, it's not like we've observed the misfolded proteins causing other proteins to form the wrong way, killing the brain of the victims. It's not like we've actually found prions in the brains of sheep. It's not like the scientific community has stated that prions are most likely the cause. Oh wait. They have. Read a damn book on the subject. I recommend Deadly Feasts.