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Ok with all the recent terrorist activity over the past few years, it seems they are planning something big, something diabolical ...

Well as we look to our allies I wonder where are the rest of the world ?

I'm sure their hardened attitude would do us all good in fighting the terrorists and policing these dangerous simple minded war mongering nations !!


I doubt they are scared of them ??


Get your asses out of the cold water and into the fire, like the rest of us BROTHERS !!

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Why are they just sitting there ?

I want some answers !!

Before the post disappears.

I know that presumption can be the mother of all screw up's but..

I'm pressuming they are scared to fight !!

Good day !

German constitution (Grundgesetz)

Article 26 - (Ban on preparing a war of aggression)

Activities tending and undertaken with the intent to disturb peaceful relations between nations, especially to prepare for aggressive war, are unconstitutional. They shall be made a punishable offense.

There you go...

There you go...

Maybe it's time we called for change, The german people would be a trusted allie and im sure they also want this to end just like the rest of the worlds peacefull civilisations ?

Bluestrips2']Maybe it's time we called for change, The german people would be a trusted allie and im sure they also want this to end just like the rest of the worlds peacefull civilisations ?

It's their decision to make. And quite frankly, I don't see why Germany should be pressured into taking part in a war which has little to do with them.

It's their decision to make. And quite frankly, I don't see why Germany should be pressured into taking part in a war which has little to do with them.

That, and Germans tend to opt for an efficient strategy BEFORE running headlong into battle...

It's their decision to make. And quite frankly, I don't see why Germany should be pressured into taking part in a war which has little to do with them.


It's obviously their own decision to make but I really think and have confidence in them that they would be able to help us wipe out terrorism much more efficiently and quickly !

I know we are doing all we can or at least it seems that way to stamp it out and any other threat that bears down on peacefull civilisation and our ever growing peacfull and loving ways, but GERMANY hear the call to help your brothers in these peacefull times.

The last thing we want is another major war, a quick decisive victory over them is what's needed and us all pitching together would provide a wider range of tactics and sollutions etc ..

Bluestrips2']It's obviously their own decision to make but I really think and have confidence in them that they would be able to help us wipe out terrorism much more efficiently and quickly !

I know we are doing all we can or at least it seems that way to stamp it out and any other threat that bears down on peacefull civilisation and our ever growing peacfull and loving ways, but GERMANY hear the call to help your brothers in these peacefull times.

The last thing we want is another major war, a quick decisive victory over them is what's needed and us all pitching together would provide a wider range of tactics and sollutions etc ..

Has it occured to you that Germany might right this moment be using all available intelligence to find out who exactly "they" are, what their objectives and targets are and how to find "them"?
Because, in my humble opinion, nobody else seemed to have bothered with those questions overly much so far.

Has it occured to you that Germany might right this moment be using all available intelligence to find out who exactly "they" are, what their objectives and targets are and how to find "them"?
Because, in my humble opinion, nobody else seemed to have bothered with those questions overly much so far.


No, but I really hope they are :)

Bluestrips2']The last thing we want is another major war, a quick decisive victory over them is what's needed and us all pitching together would provide a wider range of tactics and sollutions etc ..

I very much doubt that this will become a major war. It's worth bearing in mind that this is a war against islamic terrorist groups, not terrorism in general. That puts things in perspective a little.

By the way, when you ask for Germany to help with the war on terror...do you mean that they should help out with the Iraq war?

More power to Germany, I say, if they're able to keep themselves calm while everybody else is running around like headless chickens and soiling their undies with fear.

When the London bombs (sorry, Media Gods - I meant to say "blasts") went off, I just thought to myself, "well, this is Britain - we can handle a few bombs". Now I'm beginning to wonder.

Good question, because they already are more than active in Afghanistan:


On August 11, 2003, NATO, assumed command in Kabul of the U.N. International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), comprised of allied troops from a large number of countries, including Britain, France and Turkey. From Germany, 2,200 soldiers are participating in ISAF, making up the largest national contingent. Overall in Afghanistan, Germany is by far the second largest contributor of forces and has been so for a long time. The figures for France and Canada, the next largest contributors, together total about 1,700.The ISAF deployment is based on a November 2002 United Nations mandate and will help rebuild permanent government institutions as well as strengthen the political and economic stabilization process in Afghanistan. A new U.N. mandate led to an increase of the number of German soldiers in Afghanistan, with new areas of responsibility. German armed forces are managing two Provincial Reconstruction Teams (PRTs) – one in Kunduz and one in Faizabad.

http://www.germany-info.org/relaunch/info/archives/background/bwehr_fact_sheet.html


The US government has recently announced plans to pull out large numbers of its 10,000 troops currently stationed in Afghanistan and redeploy them in Iraq to fight that country’s resistance movement. To fulfil this aim, Operation Enduring Freedom—the official name of the US forces in Afghanistan—will be merged with the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), the NATO mission providing security services to the Kabul regime.

The German Army (Bundeswehr) would then take over the leadership of the Afghanistan occupation. Their presence will increase throughout the country, and they will participate in combat operations. Two thousand German troops are currently in Kabul and the northern provincial cities of Kunduz and Faisabad.
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To adequately compensate for any withdrawal of US troops in Afghanistan, an increase in German troop numbers would need to go far and beyond the 2,250 maximum set by the Bundestag. There are plenty of signals that such a step is already being prepared.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/feb2005/afgh-f25.shtml

Good question, because they already are more than active in Afghanistan:



http://www.germany-info.org/relaunch/info/archives/background/bwehr_fact_sheet.html


http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/feb2005/afgh-f25.shtml


Thats good to know :)

It hasn't been mentioned on the news much that's how I didn't know, yes I meant in IRAQ or where ever needs obvious policing ;)

Bluestrips2']Thats good to know :)

It hasn't been mentioned on the news much that's how I didn't know, yes I meant in IRAQ or where ever needs obvious policing ;)

No joy.
Iraq is your own mess. The USA decided to make this mess, so the USA gets to clean it up. And those who decided to help blow the place apart can also help putting it back together again. Fair is fair.

Next time, bring up some credible and reliable evidence against the country you want to attack, and then we'll talk about it.

*Ahem*
As a German, I support my government's decision not to engage in the Iraq war. There are several good reasons for this:
1) It was not proven that Saddam had weapons of Mass destruction. And as far as I know, they haven't found any yet.
2) An invasion would have caused a massive destabilization in the region. This turned out to be true.
3) The German populace reelected Gerhard Schröder mainly because of his promise not to engage in the Iraq war. At least he kept THAT promise.
4) When the allies took down Germany in WW2, they entered with the intent of ensuring that Germany would never threaten world peace again. Now that they succeeded, the Brits and the Americans complain that the Germans aren't willing to go to war. Go figure :rolleyes:

No joy.
Iraq is your own mess. The USA decided to make this mess, so the USA gets to clean it up. And those who decided to help blow the place apart can also help putting it back together again. Fair is fair.

Next time, bring up some credible and reliable evidence against the country you want to attack, and then we'll talk about it.

I don't know if you noticed but im from the UK .. ;)

One thing people over look is the fact innocent people were being killed everyday with bombs and stuff, to me this is enough to move in and HELP them !!



*Ahem*
As a German, I support my government's decision not to engage in the Iraq war. There are several good reasons for this:
1) It was not proven that Saddam had weapons of Mass destruction. And as far as I know, they haven't found any yet.
2) An invasion would have caused a massive destabilization in the region. This turned out to be true.
3) The German populace reelected Gerhard Schröder mainly because of his promise not to engage in the Iraq war. At least he kept THAT promise.
4) When the allies took down Germany in WW2, they entered with the intent of ensuring that Germany would never threaten world peace again. Now that they succeeded, the Brits and the Americans complain that the Germans aren't willing to go to war. Go figure :rolleyes:


I respect your wishes not to go to war, but I still think the whole world should snap into action and stop letting thousands/hundreds of innocent people die, yes it's not our Country but we have a choice to try and help them and i'd rather make the choice to try and help.

I wasn't really complaining just looking for more info why I hadn't seen much about it on the news but as I see you have troops who have helped :)

Bluestrips2']The last thing we want is another major war, a quick decisive victory over them is what's needed and us all pitching together would provide a wider range of tactics and sollutions etc ..

"What this country needs is a short, victorious war to stem the tide of revolution."- V.K. Plehve, Russian Minister of the Interior to General A.N. Kuropatkin, Minister of War, 200 Ante-Diaspora (1903 C.E.), on the eve of the Russo-Japanese War

"The belief in the possibility of a short decisive war appears to be one of the most ancient and dangerous of human illusions."
Robert Lynd
(224–154 Ante-Diaspora)

(Source: David Weber, Honor Harrington 3: A Short Decisive War, Baen Books)

BTW, zee Germans do help out where they can, notably Afgahnistan and Somalia. Now if we want to get into that quagmire called Iraq... hell no! That's none of our business. That's not our war, mind you.

War on Terror? Sure thing!

Iraq? No sorry, Bier und Kaffee please!

War on Terror? Sure thing!

Iraq? No sorry, Bier und Kaffee please!

Interesting drinks combination :p

Just out of curiousity why did you choose Germany as the focus of this thread? What about other countries not fighting in Iraq?

Bluestrips2']One thing people over look is the fact innocent people were being killed everyday with bombs and stuff, to me this is enough to move in and HELP them !!
And what exactly do you propose the Germans do? Provide more targets? Seriously, the only way to make things better is to put a soldier within sight of any place in Iraq, that way you can catch whoever does anything.
Bluestrips2']
I respect your wishes not to go to war, but I still think the whole world should snap into action and stop letting thousands/hundreds of innocent people die, yes it's not our Country but we have a choice to try and help them and i'd rather make the choice to try and help.

I wasn't really complaining just looking for more info why I hadn't seen much about it on the news but as I see you have troops who have helped :)
The thing is, Germany was willing to do things where Terror was reality and not just imagined, as was the case in Iraq. There's no way the German public can support German casualties in an unjust war that doesn't seem to be getting anywhere. It's an "I told you so" situation.

Bluestrips2']I don't know if you noticed but im from the UK .. ;)

One thing people over look is the fact innocent people were being killed everyday with bombs and stuff, to me this is enough to move in and HELP them !!


As far as I know the UK was eager to help the US to flatten the Iraq landscape considerably.

Yes, there are people being killed by bombs every day. In Jerusalem, in Chechenia, in Colombia, in Haiti, inUganda, in Nepal, in Congo... and I'm pretty sure I missed some.
So, for what reason should Germany get involved in Iraq, of all places? Because it has the best news coverage?

Just out of curiousity why did you choose Germany as the focus of this thread? What about other countries not fighting in Iraq?

'Cause the public gave Bertie a hard time for permitting the US to use Shannon Air Port for the 50-odd aircrafts they have there. ;)

Just out of curiousity why did you choose Germany as the focus of this thread? What about other countries not fighting in Iraq?

Curiosity I guess, as I know they are a bunch of nutters like the UK :p


Im not fully informed about who is doing what to be honest as far as I know the french are doing nothing as well but I don't actually think they would help anyway !!

'Cause the public gave Bertie a hard time for permitting the US to use Shannon Air Port for the 50-odd aircrafts they have there. ;)

lol i love the name Bertie for a politician. It just seems way too informal for the job but i like it

lol i love the name Bertie for a politician. It just seems way too informal for the job but i like it

I couldn't spell "Taoiseach" correctly for the life of me... ;)

And I just can't imangine anybody calling the man Mr Ahern

Just out of curiousity why did you choose Germany as the focus of this thread? What about other countries not fighting in Iraq?Yeah, like Iceland!

What's all this about a "war on terror" anyway?
I really hate the way "war" is used so inflatonary for campaigns that might be many things but are definitely not a "war". The expressions "War on Drugs", "War on Terror" are really ridiculous, make me laugh. How can you have a war if you don't even have a clearly defined enemy?

Concerning the topic: Germany is doing more than its fair share in Afghanistan and other places. It is even indirectly involved in Iraq. By doubling their forces is Afghanistan they allowed the US to pull out some of their troups to dispatch them to Iraq.

I couldn't spell "Taoiseach" correctly for the life of me... ;)

And I just can't imangine anybody calling the man Mr Ahern

Yeah I always get the feeling I could just walk up to him and ask him down to the pub for a few drinks.

Ok now I know the truth about it I better change the title, It wasn't in any way meant to be a dig at you Germany ;)

The expressions "War on Drugs", "War on Terror" are really ridiculous, make me laugh. How can you have a war if you don't even have a clearly defined enemy?Because if you can persuade your population that they're at war, you can justify all manner of extra legislation, controls and government powers, all in the name of "security". And if you have no clearly-defined enemy, why, you can make the war last as long as you need to get all the acts you've drawn up pushed through. Nobody can spoil your fun by saying "but look, we've won", because there's always an extra handy enemy just around the corner.

Welcome to the latest re-run of history.

Because if you can persuade your population that they're at war, you can justify all manner of extra legislation, controls and government powers, all in the name of "security". And if you have no clearly-defined enemy, why, you can make the war last as long as you need to get all the acts you've drawn up pushed through. Nobody can spoil your fun by saying "but look, we've won", because there's always an extra handy enemy just around the corner.
My sentiments exactly!