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A letter a friend of mine recently wrote to Bush Inc, president@whitehouse.gov:

Mr. Bush,

I doubt the president actually sees this email, all by design I am sure.

I am a marine vet from the first gulf war, and was all for the invasion of Iraq in 2003 based on the information you and your administration claimed to have, you know, the wmd smoking gun. Now I along with a growing number of people in this country and many other countries would like truth, simply truth sir.

Do you know what 37 percent of 25,000 dead Iraqi civillians comes to? 9250. Are you okay with that number? God damn, you really think you are doing the right thing? Had any leader of any other country on planet earth sent their military to a foreign land to kill kill kill that would be seriously frowned upon by you, especially if innocent civillians are among the dead. So what makes it okay in your case to act as a tyrant?

I mean no disrespect, just wish you were really in this to help the world, rather than pushing your agenda and personal beliefs on others.

Are you currently drawing income in any shape or form based on any decision you made while serving the citizens of this great country? I hate the idea this could be true.

I see this as a total conflict of interest if in fact you have drawn any income from any of the goings on behind the scenes as well as publicly, based on any decisions or policies penned under your watch.

What did happen to all of those wmd's anyway?

Respectfully Submitted,[Name deleted to protect the innocent] - Just another broke citizen.........

For completeness, this was his reply:
On behalf of President Bush, thank you for your correspondence.
We appreciate hearing your views and welcome your suggestions.
The President is committed to continuing our economic progress,
defending our freedom, and upholding our Nation's deepest values.

Due to the large volume of e-mail received, the White House cannot
respond to every message. Please visit the White House website
for the most up-to-date information on Presidential initiatives,
current events, and topics of interest to you. In order to better
receive comments from the public, a new system has been
implemented. In the future please send your comments to
comments@whitehouse.gov.

Thank you again for taking the time to write.
So, serve your country, fight a war, and you too can receive an automated reply dismissing valid concerns. That said, I am impressed with the courage to write the letter.

Oh...don't let Eut see this...he either thinks dissenting soldiers don't exist, or they are all traitors :rolleyes:

FI he does, we'll be hearing about turncoats for the rest of the day. :p

FI he does, we'll be hearing about turncoats for the rest of the day. :p

LOL.. Oh NOES!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're a BAD American if you dissent, didn't you know. ;)

LOL.. Oh NOES!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're a BAD American if you dissent, didn't you know. ;)
How am I supposed to know? I'm just the Canuck from north of the border... :D

How am I supposed to know? I'm just the Canuck from north of the border... :D

Hey, I'm a Canuck too.. but I've heard rumours..lol :)

A letter a friend of mine recently wrote to Bush Inc, president@whitehouse.gov:



For completeness, this was his reply:
On behalf of President Bush, thank you for your correspondence.
We appreciate hearing your views and welcome your suggestions.
The President is committed to continuing our economic progress,
defending our freedom, and upholding our Nation's deepest values.

Due to the large volume of e-mail received, the White House cannot
respond to every message. Please visit the White House website
for the most up-to-date information on Presidential initiatives,
current events, and topics of interest to you. In order to better
receive comments from the public, a new system has been
implemented. In the future please send your comments to
comments@whitehouse.gov.

Thank you again for taking the time to write.
So, serve your country, fight a war, and you too can receive an automated reply dismissing valid concerns. That said, I am impressed with the courage to write the letter.



Let's be reasonable, nearly every large company or government does receive vast quantities of e-mail. If he really wanted it read, he should have tried at least a little harder to get it to Bush. It's not like Bush doesn't read a trazillion hate letters every day, while still trying to run the country in one of earth's busiest jobs :rolleyes:

That’s about the most nonsensical and ridiculous letter of protest I’ve ever read. I have a hard time believing that someone claiming to be a veteran would bother writing something that makes no sense whatsoever.

It's not like Bush doesn't read a trazillion hate letters every day

You think this is a "hate letter"? I don't.

That’s about the most nonsensical and ridiculous letter of protest I’ve ever read. I have a hard time believing that someone claiming to be a veteran would bother writing something that makes no sense whatsoever.

Well, I will admit the whole going on about "profit" thing was a little out there. Not everyone has a steller education and they do the best they can I suppose. I just thought for all of us who bitch and moan, I admired him for at least trying to do something. Even if in vain.

That said, I am impressed with the courage to write the letter.How was it courageous? You think the FBI hunts down people who write disapproving letters to the president?

If he honestly thinks there is some sort of conspiracy to prevent letters opposing policies from getting through, have him type up a letter praising GWB and send it off.

He'll get the same response.

Poor grammar aside, throwing in consipiracy theories and swearing is not the way to be taken seriously in a letter to a Gov't official.

LOL.. Oh NOES!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're a BAD American if you dissent, didn't you know. ;)

Why do people consider it un-American to criticize the President? Surely valid critique is a good way of making a country even better and thus is a very patriotic thing to do?

Well, I will admit the whole going on about "profit" thing was a little out there. Not everyone has a steller education and they do the best they can I suppose. I just thought for all of us who bitch and moan, I admired him for at least trying to do something. Even if in vain.

One Marine from the Gulf War, gets a form email, as do a few thousand other people each day, and Bush is even worse than thought because he didn't reply personally. Especially in light of the whole going on about "profit" thing , which even you admit is "out there". Does it say anything to you that over 80% of our military stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan voted for Bush? Do you think they might have just a little bit more insight and understanding of what is going on over there and its necessity?

As for the WMD, as pointed out numerous times, independent investigations in this country and others, have all come to the conclusion that faulty intel from several countrys' intelligence agencies led to the popular opinion that Saddam had WMD. We, as well as our allies, were still operating under old Cold War techniques. You see, the one point you keep missing is that we did not go to war with Iraq...we went to war with Saddam and his henchmen. HUGE DIFFERENCE, that you don't seem to understand.

But, keep on slinging crap at the US...you might luck out and get something to stick one of these days. You just might try dragging out some new arguments that haven't been disproven or backing them up with something other than this pitiful "letter".

Why do people consider it un-American to criticize the President? Surely valid critique is a good way of making a country even better and thus is a very patriotic thing to do?
Because the Newspeak definition of Patriotism is blind support of government/country--especially country--whether it's right or wrong.

"Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism"--Thomas Jefferson.

Because the Newspeak definition of Patriotism is blind support of government/country--especially country--whether it's right or wrong.

"Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism"--Thomas Jefferson.

No one in this thread has said this former Marine is unAmerican. That is what some of you claimed to be the opinion of others not in agreement with them. The only ones who have even hinted this guy is unAmerican are posters opposed to the war. What you have taken as a blind acceptance of whatever the President does, has chosen to ignore the issues in which we do not agree with him. You seem to want to focus on our support of the War on Terror.

I applaud him for speaking out. However, his conspiracies carry no weight whatsoever.

As someone already said on here, it was faulty intel from several different countries that led to this action.

As for the WMD, as pointed out numerous times, independent investigations in this country and others, have all come to the conclusion that faulty intel from several countrys' intelligence agencies led to the popular opinion that Saddam had WMD. We, as well as our allies, were still operating under old Cold War techniques. You see, the one point you keep missing is that we did not go to war with Iraq...we went to war with Saddam and his henchmen. HUGE DIFFERENCE, that you don't seem to understand.

No, you just hope people forget. WMD was exactly why the USA attacked Iraq. To get one guy they sure killed a lot of innocent people don't you think? I believe it is YOU who doesn't understand. Didn't matter what the "world" Intel was, no one attacked them on false pretense except the US. Don't try to blame anyone else now. Hindsight is 20/20 isn't it.

But, keep on slinging crap at the US...you might luck out and get something to stick one of these days. You just might try dragging out some new arguments that haven't been disproved or backing them up with something other than this pitiful "letter".

You and your side kick Forrest have NEVER been able to disprove a thing Zeppistan or I said. We kicked your asses every time we debated. Talk about selective memory!

No, you just hope people forget. WMD was exactly why the USA attacked Iraq. To get one guy they sure killed a lot of innocent people don't you think? I believe it is YOU who doesn't understand. Didn't matter what the "world" Intel was, no one attacked them on false pretense except the US. Don't try to blame anyone else now. Hindsight is 20/20 isn't it.

We're not blaming anyone else. The fault was the fault of EVERYONE! Most of the WORLD thought he had WMD. Even the UN thought he had WMD. Ok now that we have dispelled that this was entirely US's fault....

We're not blaming anyone else. The fault was the fault of EVERYONE! Most of the WORLD thought he had WMD. Even the UN thought he had WMD. Ok now that we have dispelled that this was entirely US's fault....
Yes we did, but we wanted inspections to be done first, but the US was too bloody impatient.

Yes we did, but we wanted inspections to be done first, but the US was too bloody impatient.

Kinda hard to do inspections when Saddam Hussein had been dragging his feet. Kinda hard to do those when he was not cooperating fully.

No one in this thread has said this former Marine is unAmerican. That is what some of you claimed to be the opinion of others not in agreement with them. The only ones who have even hinted this guy is unAmerican are posters opposed to the war. What you have taken as a blind acceptance of whatever the President does, has chosen to ignore the issues in which we do not agree with him. You seem to want to focus on our support of the War on Terror.
I was explaining why most people, most conservatives, think that showing disrespect to the President is unpatriotic and they should move to France/Canada, when really, that is opposite of patriotism, hence my TJ quote.

Yes we did, but we wanted inspections to be done first, but the US was too bloody impatient.

Yup, because as we all know now, attacking Iraq was on the Bush agenda from day one, well before 9/11 happened. It was used as a precursor, nothing more.

And as to who's fault it is? Well I'll take a wild guess and say it was the fault of the people who didn't wait for proof positive and attacked a country based on lies and bad Intel.

Yes we did, but we wanted inspections to be done first, but the US was too bloody impatient.

Yea after 10 years of waiting I could see how " impatient" applies here :rolleyes:

No, you just hope people forget. WMD was exactly why the USA attacked Iraq. To get one guy they sure killed a lot of innocent people don't you think? I believe it is YOU who doesn't understand. Didn't matter what the "world" Intel was, no one attacked them on false pretense except the US. Don't try to blame anyone else now. Hindsight is 20/20 isn't it.
:confused: As I remember, we went into this thing with over 60 other countries, all of whom believed that SADDAM had WMD. Even the Russians have admitted that their intel believed there were WMD. Shoot, the UN believed it enough to issue 17 sanctions against Saddam and his regime and back it up with inspections. With this popular belief and his rhetoric threatening the US and Israel with attack, the spread of radical Islamic terror attacks, and the security of the US, Bush really made the best decision.


You and your side kick Forrest have NEVER been able to disprove a thing Zeppistan or I said. We kicked your asses every time we debated. Talk about selective memory! Certainly are proud of yourselves, aren't you? Well, I'll let this one go, as usual, and chalk it up to typical.

One Marine from the Gulf War, gets a form email, as do a few thousand other people each day, and Bush is even worse than thought because he didn't reply personally. Especially in light of the whole going on about "profit" thing , which even you admit is "out there". Does it say anything to you that over 80% of our military stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan voted for Bush? Do you think they might have just a little bit more insight and understanding of what is going on over there and its necessity?
Do you think that one would have to be very conservitive to join the military in the first place? Do you realize that to criticize the Commander-in-Chief is violation of US Military Law, even in an election year? It's pretty hard to get support for the CiC's opponant if to admit you voted for his opponant will get you a Court-Marshall.

Do you think that one would have to be very conservitive to join the military in the first place?

Nope. Don't have to be conservative at all to join the service.

Do you realize that to criticize the Commander-in-Chief is violation of US Military Law, even in an election year?

Only if your in a military uniform is it illegal to criticize President.

It's pretty hard to get support for the CiC's opponant if to admit you voted for his opponant will get you a Court-Marshall.

nope. You can't get a court-martial for voting against the President of the United States.

Ok, a soldier doesn't agree with US policy. He writes a poorly crafted letter to the President. It doesn't get answered. This is proof of what? A) he has an opinion B) he doesn't write well C) the President is busy

President Clinton received an average of 3,753,510 letters and emails per year during his term.

Do you suppose he took the time to answer them all personally? He didn't answer the ones I wrote him, but then I'm not crying about it. Get real.

nope. You can't get a court-martial for voting against the President of the United States.
Not for voting, but if you say you voted against the president, it can at least be construed as criticism

Not for voting, but if you say you voted against the president, it can at least be construed as criticism

Nope. Not that either. Sorry dude.

Ok, a soldier doesn't agree with US policy. He writes a poorly crafted letter to the President. It doesn't get answered. This is proof of what? A) he has an opinion B) he doesn't write well C) the President is busy

President Clinton received an average of 3,753,510 letters and emails per year during his term.

Do you suppose he took the time to answer them all personally? He didn't answer the ones I wrote him, but then I'm not crying about it. Get real.

The only reason I even posted it was because I thought of all people who might get (sure) a form letter of sorts, not the same one given out to everyone, was a vet. I don't think the government really values what their soldiers do for them. I know the guy who wrote this is not highly educated. I also don't buy into the profit thing, that was just way out there. The only point I was trying to make was that I thought it was sad that he went to war for the USA and then is just thrown away like nothing. It sort of ticked me off. Although as stated, it happens all the time. That was really my only point. I found it sad.

If you really want to register your opinion with an elected official in the U.S., you’re better off to call their office or fax them a signed letter. Emails get the treatment you’ve described and are largely ignored, save the automated email reply that you've shown here, and writing a letter and sending it though the post office subjects it to a fairly lengthy security review process, in these post anthrax scare days. In some cases, I think it could be months before a letter arrives.

At least, this is true for congressional and senate offices at the state and federal levels. I imagine the White House is a different bird altogether and ignores most of it anyway. I certainly wouldn’t expect anything that amounts to a substantive response.

The only reason I even posted it was because I thought of all people who might get (sure) a form letter of sorts, not the same one given out to everyone, was a vet. I don't think the government really values what their soldiers do for them.

Wait? Because a soldier got a form letter, the government doesn't care about our soldiers? Nice inaccurate fallacy Stephistan.

I know the guy who wrote this is not highly educated. I also don't buy into the profit thing, that was just way out there. The only point I was trying to make was that I thought it was sad that he went to war for the USA and then is just thrown away like nothing. It sort of ticked me off. Although as stated, it happens all the time. That was really my only point. I found it sad.

That a soldier got a form letter? Ok, this thread is now officially wasting space for something as dumb as this. Everyone gets these things. Hell, I got a form email from Specters office. Santorum's office sent me a letter via regular mail. It happens all the time Stephistan. Just because a soldier sent him something, doesn't make him special. Yes he's a vet. I'm glad he served his country but getting a form letter does not mean that government officials don't care because they do care. Why do you think we're trying to make sure that our soldiers have the best equipment and training? We want them to come home alive.

I've actually had that forwarded on to me as spam in my Inbox. It's about as authentic as the Nigerian Bank scam or that cookie recipie...

A letter a friend of mine recently wrote to Bush Inc, president@whitehouse.gov:



For completeness, this was his reply:
On behalf of President Bush, thank you for your correspondence.
We appreciate hearing your views and welcome your suggestions.
The President is committed to continuing our economic progress,
defending our freedom, and upholding our Nation's deepest values.

Due to the large volume of e-mail received, the White House cannot
respond to every message. Please visit the White House website
for the most up-to-date information on Presidential initiatives,
current events, and topics of interest to you. In order to better
receive comments from the public, a new system has been
implemented. In the future please send your comments to
comments@whitehouse.gov.

Thank you again for taking the time to write.
So, serve your country, fight a war, and you too can receive an automated reply dismissing valid concerns. That said, I am impressed with the courage to write the letter.


Yes, I too long for the innocent days when a vet could walk up to the White House, come in un announced, and shake the president's hand. But, sadly, in theese days of national security, automated response seems much more practical. I agree with what the man had to say, but the automative response system is the best resort for ansewring large volumes of mail. Back when the country was founded, a leader could meet in town hall for a discussion of the issues. Considering America has 280 million people in it, this is simply no longer practical.

I've actually had that forwarded on to me as spam in my Inbox. It's about as authentic as the Nigerian Bank scam or that cookie recipie...

It's actual author is a member of an anti-war forum I post on. It may have been sent out by now, I don't know. However the author is known to me, at least on the net.

Ok, gee, enough already. I just found it sad, that was all. When I say "sad" I don't mean pathetic, I mean sad, as in :(

Do you think that one would have to be very conservitive to join the military in the first place? Do you realize that to criticize the Commander-in-Chief is violation of US Military Law, even in an election year? It's pretty hard to get support for the CiC's opponant if to admit you voted for his opponant will get you a Court-Marshall.

Do you really think that only conservative republicans are patriots who wish to serve their country? Several of the people who enlist do it for educational advantages. The ones who have been signing up to go back to Iraq are doing so out of committment to a just cause. In the military, you may campaign and promote a candidate, any candidate, as long as you are not in uniform as you do so. The military also requires you to vote. No shirking any of your duties there!! And, just as in civilian polling places, your vote is private, unless you choose to tell someone how you voted. I have no idea how to address your statement that you are court marshalled if you don't vote for the imcumbent...it is so far from the truth that I can't imagine what ever gave you such a notion. If over 80% voted for Bush, have you seen the other almost 20% being prosecuted by the military. uhhhhhh....no.

A letter a friend of mine recently wrote to Bush Inc, president@whitehouse.gov:



For completeness, this was his reply:
On behalf of President Bush, thank you for your correspondence.
We appreciate hearing your views and welcome your suggestions.
The President is committed to continuing our economic progress,
defending our freedom, and upholding our Nation's deepest values.

Due to the large volume of e-mail received, the White House cannot
respond to every message. Please visit the White House website
for the most up-to-date information on Presidential initiatives,
current events, and topics of interest to you. In order to better
receive comments from the public, a new system has been
implemented. In the future please send your comments to
comments@whitehouse.gov.

Thank you again for taking the time to write.
So, serve your country, fight a war, and you too can receive an automated reply dismissing valid concerns. That said, I am impressed with the courage to write the letter.I was saying this all the time but was never listened to only attacked hard by the nacionalistic and rasist americans..maybe u-ll listen to this poore soldier or hell maybe u still want to live in denial-it is the easiest thing to do and americans are very lazy....

Yup, because as we all know now, attacking Iraq was on the Bush agenda from day one, well before 9/11 happened. It was used as a precursor, nothing more.

And as to who's fault it is? Well I'll take a wild guess and say it was the fault of the people who didn't wait for proof positive and attacked a country based on lies and bad Intel.Exactly.

I was saying this all the time but was never listened to only attacked hard by the nacionalistic and rasist americans........ americans are very lazy....


Is there an anecdote in Serbian about pots and kettles?


Anyway, Steph, how were they supposed to know he's a vet? Did he use the special veteran's Email address? Did he put in some special code in his header?

What would be the difference between his email and mine if I sent one like that? Besides the better grasp of syntax and grammar, of course.