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I was wondering if anyone else would support a scottish and welsh independence from England!

I was wondering if anyone else would support a scottish and welsh independence from England!

Copier of my idea!

The American flag has no place in this topic. I plan to change that.
No because we Americans are bitches like that and we enjoy watching people suffer and hate because of something that IS NOT our fault!

*waves American flag, which NOW has a place in this topic thanks to Colodia*

Sorry I dident know!!

The American flag has no place in this topic. I plan to change that.
No because we Americans are bitches like that and we enjoy watching people suffer and hate because of something that IS NOT our fault!

*waves American flag, which NOW has a place in this topic thanks to Colodia*

The scots and welsh are not suffering! Well except that theyhave the queen on everything! otherwise they dont really suffer!

I was wondering if anyone else would support a scottish and welsh independence from England!



They can take your lives but they'll never take your freedom!!! :D

The American flag has no place in this topic. I plan to change that.
No because we Americans are bitches like that and we enjoy watching people suffer and hate because of something that IS NOT our fault!

*waves American flag, which NOW has a place in this topic thanks to Colodia*

USA! USA! USA!

They can take your lives but they'll never take your freedom!!! :D

*tortures NR to death*
*takes his freedom*

Muwahahahahaha.

EDIT: You forgot the manadatory Myrth option. Therefore I'm sorry, but Nationstates cannot endorse Welsh and/or Scottish independence at this time. Please feel free to reapply though.

If there are lots of borders to cross with big mean Border Police guarding themn fiercely it makes it a damn sight harder for all the assorted terrorists in this stupid planet to get around. Freedom and ease of travel be damned! Balkanize EVERYTHING!
don't look at me like it's a bad thing!

The question really is, could, HOW could they survive on their own? They need England, and vice-versa, and it will get even more dependent on each other when we run out of oil.

I was wondering if anyone else would support a scottish and welsh independence from England!
My father's Scottish (I'm half-Scottish, half-American) and we both agree: The remnants of the IRA and anyone who supports independence from Britain is a nutcase.

Even if you want it, how would you accomplish it, but through violence?

"Ah, hello, miss Elizabeth. Yes. We're not part of Britain anymore. Thanks, bye."

Sorry, it isn't going to work that way.

EDIT: And Sir William Wallace was a hero, yes. And guess what? He didn't kill civilians with bombs.

If Scotland, England and Wales decided to split up into three sovereign nations once again, then sure. I don't see what would change, except perhaps they would lose the economies of scale that a larger national organisation might afford them. I don't think there is much interest in it though, neither among the Welsh nor the Scots.

As a Scotch-Irish-Anglo-American, I have mixed feelings on the subject. Scotland and Wales should remain part of the UK, but Ireland should somehow be reunited, in my oh-so-humble opinion.

(USA! USA! USA! America, F**k yeah! God bless the Stars and Stripes!)

yes but only if it is TOTAL independance including financial :p

EDIT: And Sir William Wallace was a hero, yes. And guess what? He didn't kill civilians with bombs.


Yeah, pity about the rape, pillaging etc that took place under his command as his army moved into England. Neither side came out of that particular conflict with much credit, even taking the morality of the time into account.

You can't compare a war then and a terrorist campaign now.

'"Ah, hello, miss Elizabeth. Yes. We're not part of Britain anymore. Thanks, bye."

Sorry, it isn't going to work that way.'

Worked that way just fine for Australia. :D

Give them freedom! Freedom! Give Ireland back to the Irish! Other McCartney quotes!

Did someone turn 2 pages at once?

When did Australia announce its independence? :eek:

'"Ah, hello, miss Elizabeth. Yes. We're not part of Britain anymore. Thanks, bye."

Sorry, it isn't going to work that way.'

Worked that way just fine for Australia. :D

Give them freedom! Freedom! Give Ireland back to the Irish! Other McCartney quotes!

What if all the Irish dont want to be a part of the republic?

Your do realise scotland and wales are not part of england but part of the united kingdom?

Your do realise scotland and wales are not part of england but part of the united kingdom?

Yes but they are not completely independent

USA! USA! USA!
UK all the way UK all the way UK all the way !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
now thats better

Yes but they are not completely independent

none of the "kingdoms" are. So what?

none of the "kingdoms" are. So what?

So some people would prefer that they were

I was wondering if anyone else would support a scottish and welsh independence from England!Only if referenda in both countries demonstrate that a majority want independence. If they do, fine - let them have it; if they don't, fine - let things remain as they are.

Don't you feel that the poll question is slightly biased?

'Should the Scottish and Welsh be free?'

Of course they should, everyone should be free, a better question swould be 'should Scotland and Wales be independant of England?'

In fact Scottish MPs can still vote on issues that only affect England but English MPs can't vote on issues that only affect Scotland, New Labour used this to push through the controversial University Top Up Fees. Who's got the rough deal here?

As things stand, Scotland is economically dependent on England and would end up in a severe recession if there was a split. IT's only a regular supply of money from England that keeps Scotland's government in the black. There are some scots who believe that Scotland would prosper as an EU member but, frankly, that would be swapping one steady and reliable supply of money for an unsteady, unreliable and possibly bankrupt supplier.

As for wales... well. I'd like to see them try but, frankly, they'd have to do a Monaco if they wanted to survive as an independent country. If Wales were independent it could concieivably recreate itself as a tax haven but, again, an independent wales would be tempted to join the EU in order to get their hands on some of that ready cash, and so they'd have to comply with EU tax "harmonisation" laws. In other words, they'd have no chance of becoming a ta haven inside the EU, and outside the EU they might have little chance of survival. Best for all involved if they stick with the current autonomy.

STUPID ENGLISH!!! :headbang: The Wales and Scotland and Ireland have different custums and different beliefs than the English. How would we Americains like it if we were controlled by.....Swedan or Chad or Japan. They are toooooo different idk how long they can take being forced to be together.
ANYWAY im ready for a little combat!! :confused: :sniper:

I'm Irish and I think the scottish and Welsh should go for it but not the way we did unless the f**king English are being relly snotty!(only joking). Then again yous never got it as bad as we did from the English. Yous were never repressed for 800 years. Jesus we Irish have long memories!

As things stand, Scotland is economically dependent on England and would end up in a severe recession if there was a split. IT's only a regular supply of money from England that keeps Scotland's government in the black.

So were Ireland when they got their independance. Now through the EU and our own hard work(+ Seán Lemass) we are now one of the fastest growing economies in Europe and faster than Great Britain.

I am a Briton of Scottish descent living in England...and I like the present system that exists....Scotland has its own judiciary and parliament to legislate (to a degree) and enforce its own legislation, yet is afforded the financial security of being part of the United Kingdom. I concede thet less power exists in Wales and in Northern Ireland (however NI is of course a very special case).

Also, people talk as if Scotland, Wales and NI are trampled on by Westminster, but these nations are over-represented in parliament (when you look at the size of their population). Look how many people in government are Scots or Welsh too!

And of course, as stated before...on the whole the people of the outlying nations don't want independence yet...otherwise Plaid Cymru and thr Scottish Nationalist Party would be a lot more prevalent!

In my opinion semi autonomy is a good thing, but I believe the United Kingdom is very much a representative and useful political entity.

Bloody Scots and Welsh, you've already got your own parliaments! What more can you want?

Also, Welsh and Scots have a lot in common with English people as well, not to mention the fact that other countries live with having different cultures. Do we want to become like the balkans, and split into microstates? At least they had genocide as an excuse!

Bloody Scots and Welsh, you've already got your own parliaments! What more can you want?

Also, Welsh and Scots have a lot in common with English people as well, not to mention the fact that other countries live with having different cultures. Do we want to become like the balkans, and split into microstates? At least they had genocide as an excuse!

I think that one of the reasons some scots and welsh people would prefer total independence is because they want respect. No-one wants to be seen as being under the control of England.

I'd rather see a federal republic where Scotland, N.Ireland wales and England all get some autonomy.

Disbanding the UK does seem a little...extreme, since all countries do seem to get on fairly well. But then, the Government does not seem to realise that the UK exists north of Watford.

Bloody Scots and Welsh, you've already got your own parliaments! What more can you want?

I can actually understand that. England is the only country without any devolved powers. Personally, I think that ALL countries should have the same powers and parliaments.

Also, I think that the Welsh assembily should have some legislative power, too. It seems to be a bit of a waste of money when all it can do is decide how to spend a budget.

England Wales Scotland and Ni are all part of the united kingdom the quicker all these nations come to terms with this the better we are one country and we have been for a long time,this will not change as there is no way all nations could survive on there own.
However i do belive we should be able to call ourselfs welsh/english ect another freedom with which mr blair is trying to take away from us!OH and i am welsh

Bloody Scots and Welsh, you've already got your own parliaments! What more can you want?


I voted yes, the reason being attitudes like yours which i have to deal with on a daily basis.

Did you know that both the scots and welsh small towns get more government funding than the west/s.west of england!
Cardiff get more funding than the likes of bristol,bath and somerset put together the three of these are about 5 times the size of cardiff

Haruspex']I voted yes, the reason being attitudes like yours which i have to deal with on a daily basis.
The reason you may get this is because you have an attitude towards english people i have found them all to be very helpfull and the english women allways tell me my accent is great ;0)

i think that any nation who wants to be granted independance, should be granted so.
to be honest, if I was an empire, i wouldnt want to have a part of my country, that didnt want to be a part of my country!
i see why scotland was denied independance at the time of william wallace (not sure the exact century), but i dont see why they havent been granted it yet.

I don't think there is much interest in it though, neither among the Welsh nor the Scots.

It's not talked about much, but there is a need of some sort. Basically, a lot of us wanna say F*** you engliish! :P

!!! FREEDOM !!!

It's not talked about much, but there is a need of some sort. Basically, a lot of us wanna say F*** you engliish! :P

!!! FREEDOM !!!
MAYBE IDIOTS LIKE YOU NEED A GOOD SMACK IN THE MOUTH AND DEPORTED TO SOMEWHERE LIKE IRAQ WHERE YOU BELONG IDIOT

Basically, a lot of us wanna say F*** you engliish! :P

!!! FREEDOM !!!

Anyone who wants to just do something to hurt the citizens of a country who have done no wrong is a complete racist moron, comparable to Hitler, who deserves no say anyway.

Christ, I hate the way Scottish and Welsh nationalists can be so outwardly racist in their attitude yet get away with it.

again why would scotland and wales want indepence from the united kingdom?
Culturally they are all very similar. Personally I see no difference between the people, except for accents, but that just varies from region to region anyway

The reason you may get this is because you have an attitude towards english people i have found them all to be very helpfull and the english women allways tell me my accent is great ;0)

What attitude?
I deal with people all over the UK everyday, i have a great laugh with many of them no matter where they live or there nationality, i've been complimented on my voice by many people, and one of my best mates is English.
I also go down to donnington every year for the festival there and have a great time with al sorts of random people regardless of there nationality.

england Should Pass These Nations To The French See How Long It Takes Them To Go Running Back Lol :d

Haruspex']What attitude?
I deal with people all over the UK everyday, i have a great laugh with many of them no matter where they live or there nationality, i've been complimented on my voice by many people, and one of my best mates is English.
I also go down to donnington every year for the festival there and have a great time with al sorts of random people regardless of there nationality.
maybe you should read what you put a few qotes back!

england Should Pass These Nations To The French See How Long It Takes Them To Go Running Back Lol :d

Pass "these nations" along like property?
Thats part of the reason some people want independence, being thought of as something owned by England.

PS. Do you have issues with the French as well now?

Haruspex']Pass "these nations" along like property?
Thats part of the reason some people want independence, being though of as something owned by England.

PS. Do you have issues with the French as well now?
WELL SEEING AS I AM WELSH I DONT HAVE A PROBLEM APART FROM MINDLESS IDIOTS OF WHICH COMPLAIN ABOUT BEING PART OF THE UK AND YES I DISLIKE CHIRAC WHO HATES PEOPLE IN THE UK BUT NOT FRENCH PEOPLE YOU NEED TO GET A GRIP MATE AND STOP BLOO*Y MOANING

WELL SEEING AS I AM WELSH I DONT HAVE A PROBLEM APART FROM MINDLESS IDIOTS OF WHICH COMPLAIN ABOUT BEING PART OF THE UK AND YES I DISLIKE CHIRAC WHO HATES PEOPLE IN THE UK BUT NOT FRENCH PEOPLE YOU NEED TO GET A GRIP MATE AND STOP BLOO*Y MOANING

Looks like you ran outta steam and decided to resort to shouting and name calling.

If that's what they really want and they take their share of the national debt, then why not?
Oh and Scotland gives back the money they were paid to disolve their parliment.

STUPID ENGLISH!!! :headbang: The Wales and Scotland and Ireland have different custums and different beliefs than the English. How would we Americains like it if we were controlled by.....Swedan or Chad or Japan. They are toooooo different idk how long they can take being forced to be together.
ANYWAY im ready for a little combat!! :confused: :sniper:

You should stop banging your head, you can't afford to lose anymore braincells.

How is the way Britain is ruled any different from the way the US is ruled, apart from the fact that that the UK is much smaller and the countries involved are much closer? It's ok for states 1000's of miles apart to have 1 legislative centre, but when the states are actually neighbouring you think it is wrong?

What are these different customs and beliefs that Welsh and Scots people have? Does being part of the United Kingdom prevent them from expressing their beliefs? Maybe you should consider the difference in beliefs between a Hawaian and a Rhode Islander before you spout any more rubbish.

Who is forcing Scotland, Wales and England to be together?

Maybe you should look up the other title of King James I of England when you consider whose royal family is currently ruling over the United Kingdom.

Haruspex']Looks like you ran outta steam and decided to resort to shouting and name calling.
nOPE I THINK ITS YOU THAT HAS BEEN CAUGHT MATE!!!!!

nOPE I THINK ITS YOU THAT HAS BEEN CAUGHT MATE!!!!!

Reminds me of the playground come back "i know you are but what am i?"

If you scroll back i think you'l see YOU resorted to insults and i did not.

Yous were never repressed for 800 years. Jesus we Irish have long memories!

Yeah, it would be like the English still moaning about the Norman Conquests.

As an Englishman, I am utterly disgusted by all the "F**king english" and other such negative comments about the English. I'm by no means a proud Englishman, and I find the governments of the last few decades very controversial, and as much as my ancestors may have committed acts in wars between the old kingdoms that would have seen the leaders of the time in the dock for warcrimes, atrocities were commited by both sides. I do agree that in history, we were the most aggressive and I do not deny that my ancestry have committed some serious atrocities. Cromwell's purge of the Irish Catholics in 1553 was just plain wrong. Those captured in Owain Gwyn D'wr (spelling?)'s uprising were all systematically killed for treason in a fashion tantamount to genocide. The Anglo-Scottish border wars involved several transgressions both ways. As much as the history isn't pretty, I'd appreciate it if we could all lay off the Xenophobia - besides, many "Englishmen" and other UK nationalities are descended from the others. I'm a Neal of Barra (and the Scots moved into Scotland from the northern part of the Irish continent (not Northern Ireland as we know it) and conquered the Picts), but my immediate family line became naturalised English. I think they all settled in Sherston in Wiltshire - there are so many lines of Neals there, it's almost like Tolkien's Hobbiton. But that's another matter.

The Scots were never conquered by the English, but taken into the United Kingdom by the Act of Union. The Kings of both realms were Scottish, so if anything, the Scottish have a stronger claim to say they conquered us by invitation :) ! As such, as much as the UK is very London-centric politically, I can understand why the Scots want independence again. If I were in charge, I'd give a referendum on it to the Scottish and would be more than happy to grant them independence if desired.

The Welsh were conquered by the English. I have to say that the Welsh identity (in terms of proportion of people considering themselves Welsh/Scottish in their region, not identity per person) is weaker than the Scottish in my experience, but despite the number of jokes made both ways, I would willingly grant them a similar chance.

Another interesting issue is the less-documented Cornish independence faction - I'd let them if they wanted but what do you all think?

As an Englishman, I am utterly disgusted by all the "F**king english" and other such negative comments about the English.

I'l be honest and say I couldnt be arsed reading any further down the post and so my opinion just focuses on this one part.
Anyway, i agree, it should be possible to have a discussion without insulting one another. The one thing that prompted me to post in the 1st place was someone else's negative comment, pisses me right off (just incase no one noticed).

If scotland and Wales go, I want the old Kingdom of Northumbria brought back. Of course it takes in part of what much later was taken by the Scots. It included Edinburgh etc and stretched to the South as far as the humber and more or less across the country.

So what point in history do we take the borders? Go back a little further and the Norse own all the oil as they own the Islands. Or do we live in the modern world?

Me, Northumbria rules!

Haruspex']I'l be honest and say I couldnt be arsed reading any further down the post and so my opinion just focuses on this one part.
Anyway, i agree, it should be possible to have a discussion without insulting one another. The one thing that prompted me to post in the 1st place was someone else's negative comment, pisses me right off (just incase no one noticed).

And the one thing that caused that poster to make the negative comment was the previous poster making a negative comment about "f*cking English", so maybe you should have taken the time to read the thread and put it in context.

I want all the territory taken by my viking ancestors to be given back to the vikings. The Romans have no claim to the territory as they left voluntarily. I've had enough of the Angles and the Saxons and the Normans forcing their views on the viking people of England.

Wales and Scotland cannot become independant from England because they are not controlled by England. All of them are part of the United Kingdom which has a single British Parliament elected by all of them. Not to mention the fact that Wales and Scotland have their economies 40% - 60% subsidised by tax payers in the rest of the Union. It's the Union that makes Britain great. If you destroy it, everyone will suffer.

And the one thing that caused that poster to make the negative comment was the previous poster making a negative comment about "f*cking English", so maybe you should have taken the time to read the thread and put it in context.

Does it matter?
Its easy to group people together when someone of a different nationality or race puts u down, but it doesnt make it the right thing to do, or a good idea. I could have jumped on the bandwagon, grouped all English people together and went on about the "f*cking English", thinking it was ok to do so cos it was in response to someone elses negative post.

edit. BTW the post i responded to was BEFORE the "f*cking English" post, so maybe its you who needs to go back and get the thread in context.

Glad to see that the main point of my post was widely ignored... :rolleyes:

Glad to see that the main point of my post was widely ignored... :rolleyes:

LOL
Sorry, i had a quick glance at it and it made sense. At least no ones posted claiming you are wrong yet :D

Haruspex']LOL
Sorry, i had a quick glance at it and it made sense. At least no ones posted claiming you are wrong yet :D
I dunno - give some overzealous patriot some time... :rolleyes:

Yeah, it would be like the English still moaning about the Norman Conquests.
Not really, because the Normans invaded Ireland aswell. Well not as much invaded as mingled in to society.

Anyway, iam an Irish republican and cannot see for the life of me why anyone would want to be part of the UK, why would anyone want to swear alligence to a queen, let alone some one elses queen. One more thing, there seems to be myth that if Ireland got her 6 counties back that we would kick the protestants out, dats complete bullshite! If you look at the tri colour it stands for the peace between the orange and gaelic way of life that will result from a united ireland. Green=Gaelic White=Peace Orange=Protestnt
....jus thought id clear that up.

Anyway, yeh, Free Scottland and Wales. Gotta love Scottland, and Wales aint bad lads either.

I'm English and I favour a Scottish/Welsh independance just because I'm sick of hearing the jocks and taffys moan about it. Let 'em go for it. If it works out, good for them; if it doesn't, no gloating.

At least then we could get a 2012 olympic football team together.

Anyway, iam an Irish republican and cannot see for the life of me why anyone would want to be part of the UK, why would anyone want to swear alligence to a queen, let alone some one elses queen. One more thing, there seems to be myth that if Ireland got her 6 counties back that we would kick the protestants out, dats complete bullshite!

I don't remember having to swear fealty to our puppet monarchy (grrr monarchy. They waste £4million of the taxpayer's money a year and what do the people get back from tourism? Jack. What do corporations get back from tourism? Tonnes. But that's another issue), but I don't know what people migrating here have to go through. I don't think it's as vomit-inducing as the "I pledge allegiance to the flag...". I hope it isn't.

With regards to the sectarian violence in Northern Island, that's a whole new kettle of fish. The Irish Republic wouldn't go purging them all out, but there are extremist nutcases refusing to tolerate the other up there because most Unionists are mostly protestants, so it was a form of identifying them, and vice versa. Northern Ireland is a problem for both the UK and the Irish. I think the only way it will ever be satisfied will be if we both back out of it, but let Northern Island be an independent entity in the meantime - in a similar fashion to the way the Greeks and Turks are trying to solve the Cyprus debate, but hopefully it won't descend into military intervention on both sides.

Personally, I feel that the debate is that the Unionists want to be part of Britain, and the Republicans want Northern Ireland itself to be part of Ireland. The solution would be that if the Republic would pay a percentage of the cost of relocating the Unionists (as they want to be British themselves) to Britain, and the houses, then the UK should concede the territory. This is however, contraversial, and I doubt it would happen.

Personally, I feel that the debate is that the Unionists want to be part of Britain, and the Republicans want Northern Ireland itself to be part of Ireland. The solution would be that if the Republic would pay a percentage of the cost of relocating the Unionists (as they want to be British themselves) to Britain, and the houses, then the UK should concede the territory. This is however, contraversial, and I doubt it would happen.

You cant just bring about a forced relocation on the unionist population of Northern Ireland. They may want to be part of the Union but that doesnt mean they dont love their homeland with as much passion as republicans will. Making northern ireland into an independent entity would be a disaster. The politics we have here would bring the country to a standstill because no-one would be able to agree. People seem to be too impatient about the sectarian problems we have. Personally I do believe they can be solved but it will take a lot of time and effort so that children can be educated not to hate eachother. Cross community projects are a great way of bringing the two groups together at a young age to break down any myths they may have about eachother

I thought that the downfall of Owen Glendower and the fact that the Welsh Tudor dynasty got to rule England pretty much ended any thoughts of Welsh independence. What has changed?

As to Scotland...who knows? There was that Monty Python sketch where aliens turned people into Scots and they took over Great Britain.

<snip>
Two referenda have been held, one gave the answer that the majority of the people in Northern Ireland didnt want to be part of Eire, and the second that the majority of people in Eire didnt want Northern Ireland to be a part of them. The situation is diffusing. There is no need to further break up the British Isles.

no, we're all one big dysfunctional family :D

You cant just bring about a forced relocation on the unionist population of Northern Ireland. They may want to be part of the Union but that doesnt mean they dont love their homeland with as much passion as republicans will. Making northern ireland into an independent entity would be a disaster. The politics we have here would bring the country to a standstill because no-one would be able to agree. People seem to be too impatient about the sectarian problems we have. Personally I do believe they can be solved but it will take a lot of time and effort so that children can be educated not to hate eachother. Cross community projects are a great way of bringing the two groups together at a young age to break down any myths they may have about eachother

Sadly, there's only one Ireland to be had. I'm not in favour of such a move, but I'm saying the optimum solution for the long term would be one of such a nature - the ethical complications are manifold in it and in reality, I wouldn't do something so drastic. I'm sorry if it offended anyone. Cross community projects are great, but there's still the problem of biased values being bestowed onto the next generation by both sides which may affect participation.

I'm torn in my overall opinion on the most practical solution which would suit everyone as much as possible. I know what I mentioned was extreme and unethical in the extreme.

On a political level which isn't so drastic, when Northern Ireland has elections as to it's constituancy MPs, the party/alignment (republican or unionist) should determine which country governs the constituancy for the next term. That way, both countries share the area in a way proportional to the people's opinions and loyalties to both.

Sean Connery even wants Scotland to be free... ;)

Two referenda have been held, one gave the answer that the majority of the people in Northern Ireland didnt want to be part of Eire, and the second that the majority of people in Eire didnt want Northern Ireland to be a part of them. The situation is diffusing. There is no need to further break up the British Isles.
That second one is a myth and hasn't happened yet. The first one did happen about 1921, and that was because the Unionists thought that the Republic would fail and loose all thier money, which wasn't the case as we all know.And know the percentage of unionists and nationalist is far more equal. The referendom in the Republic is due to take place soon, and i gaurentee you that they will vote in favour of a united Ireland, without a doubt.

That second one is a myth and hasn't happened yet. The first one did happen about 1921, and that was because the Unionists thought that the Republic would fail and loose all thier money, which wasn't the case as we all know.And know the percentage of unionists and nationalist is far more equal. The referendom in the Republic is due to take place soon, and i gaurentee you that they will vote in favour of a united Ireland, without a doubt.

But its not up to the republic. its up to the people of northern ireland.

That second one is a myth and hasn't happened yet. The first one did happen about 1921, and that was because the Unionists thought that the Republic would fail and loose all thier money, which wasn't the case as we all know.
It happened in 1973.

MAYBE IDIOTS LIKE YOU NEED A GOOD SMACK IN THE MOUTH AND DEPORTED TO SOMEWHERE LIKE IRAQ WHERE YOU BELONG IDIOT

Seems like you need to stop flaming. WARNED.

Wales and Scotland cannot become independant from England because they are not controlled by England. All of them are part of the United Kingdom which has a single British Parliament elected by all of them. Not to mention the fact that Wales and Scotland have their economies 40% - 60% subsidised by tax payers in the rest of the Union. It's the Union that makes Britain great. If you destroy it, everyone will suffer.Touché.

We have allways been free since the PICTS fought against all the competition on the island and against the invading romans ( the queen has never been a threat just a few out numbered invasions LoL following roman procedure ? ), I prefer to be a part of the whole island not a smaller single part it would just cause more arguments and is a really stupid idea !

Britain rocks, Scotland rocks !!


Dividing us would only waste time and money !!


Edit:- I live in lanarkshire ( not my place of birth ) where William Wallace was born and bred, me and my mum are going to visit the cave where he hid from the english 'foot soldiers' when he wouldnt sign allegiance to a not so british monarch !!

I never let the stories cause any hate in me, I couldn't give a crap about it to be fair. Long live this ISLAND !!

Sean Connery even wants Scotland to be free... ;)

I think I can speak for all of Scotland when I say that Sean Connery can fucking well tell us how he thinks Scotland should be run when he actually starts living here. :D

england, whales, and scotland. foromed great britian peacefully and under mucual agreement. it would be like one of the origanal 13 state tring to get indepence, it's just stupid, and it would weaken them.

england, whales, and scotland. foromed great britian peacefully and under mucual agreement. it would be like one of the origanal 13 state tring to get indepence, it's just stupid, and it would weaken them.
"it's just stupid", coming from some one who spells Wales with a H. :rolleyes:

I think I can speak for all of Scotland when I say that Sean Connery can fucking well tell us how he thinks Scotland should be run when he actually starts living here. :D

Sir Sean Connery has vowed never to return to live in his native country until it is independent.[/b]

The Bond star said if he ever retired he would be spend a lot more time in Scotland, but would not buy a house here until the country had gained complete autonomy.

However the 72-year-old, who has been vilified in the past for living abroad while calling for Scottish independence, said he believed the country will become independent within his lifetime.

And he added that one of the reasons he had chosen not to live in Scotland at the present time was because of fears he would be hounded by sections of the tabloid press whom he accused of "crucifying people".

Sir Sean said: "I honestly believe Scotland will become independent and I will have a house in Scotland - but not until then.

"If I do retire and I have no idea whether I will retire or not, then I’d certainly spend much more time there."

The actor, who recently declared paying £3.7 million to the UK treasury since 1997 in an effort to silence accusations of tax-dodging, is to re-start donating to the SNP.

Sir Sean was prevented from contributing to the party under new rules preventing overseas donations.

But the Oscar winner has now registered to vote in London and has set aside £750,000 for the SNP.

Sir Sean admitted yesterday that he missed the leadership of former SNP head Alex Salmond, saying new leader John Swinney was not as charismatic.

But he added Mr Swinney’s strength lay in his trustworthiness. .

He also praised the "remarkable" Scottish Socialist leader, Tommy Sheridan.

He will. ;)

If they can fight on their own, sure. But, I don't really see the point.

Sadly, there's only one Ireland to be had. I'm not in favour of such a move, but I'm saying the optimum solution for the long term would be one of such a nature - the ethical complications are manifold in it and in reality, I wouldn't do something so drastic. I'm sorry if it offended anyone. Cross community projects are great, but there's still the problem of biased values being bestowed onto the next generation by both sides which may affect participation.

I'm torn in my overall opinion on the most practical solution which would suit everyone as much as possible. I know what I mentioned was extreme and unethical in the extreme.

On a political level which isn't so drastic, when Northern Ireland has elections as to it's constituancy MPs, the party/alignment (republican or unionist) should determine which country governs the constituancy for the next term. That way, both countries share the area in a way proportional to the people's opinions and loyalties to both.

Wait..I've gotit! Cantonization!

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people seem to view Britain as England ruling and owning Scotland and Wales.. well erm, no

I am English, but im also British, I prefer to say im English and i take pride in that as much as a scot can say hes Scottish before British.

However

when i drive to scotland to visit my grandparents i dont view it as im leaving my home country to enter a foriegn country.. i see it as driving across the length of my entire home country Britain.

This country is called the United Kingdom of Great Britain, 3 kingdoms united under a single flag, powerful union. It is not called Englands empire of the British Isles, or English Dominion of Scotland and Wales. Just because the capital of the country happens to be in London doesn't mean a damn thing, we could easily have a Scottish Prime Minister of the Island, just as easy as having a Welsh PM. even if the capital was in Edinburgh or Cardiff, what difference would it *really* make?

That second one is a myth and hasn't happened yet. The first one did happen about 1921, and that was because the Unionists thought that the Republic would fail and loose all thier money, which wasn't the case as we all know.And know the percentage of unionists and nationalist is far more equal. The referendom in the Republic is due to take place soon, and i gaurentee you that they will vote in favour of a united Ireland, without a doubt.

They can vote in favour of a united Ireland all they want, wont do them a damn bit of good as Northern Ireland is British soil and has British citizens living on it. So they have NO say in the matter, if NORTHEN Ireland decided to rejoin Ireland then sure whatever, but untill then they are protected by Britain and Ireland can sulk in the corner for all the value their votes have...

I voted no, because Balkanization is very bad and that is the logical extreme of this. One day it's independence for Wales, the next it's independence for Cardiff and Swansea from each other, and so forth.

I'm against anything which divides nations. Indeed, seeing as I want the US, UK, Canada, Japan, Australia, and New Zealand to unify as a single nation... well, you can see how I'd not like seccession a lot :p

Only if referenda in both countries demonstrate that a majority want independence. If they do, fine - let them have it; if they don't, fine - let things remain as they are.I agree.

we could easily have a Scottish Prime Minister of the Island,
We do have a Scottish Prime Minister...Tony Blair.

And a Scottish Chancellor...Gordon Brown.

They can vote in favour of a united Ireland all they want, wont do them a damn bit of good as Northern Ireland is British soil and has British citizens living on it. So they have NO say in the matter, if NORTHEN Ireland decided to rejoin Ireland then sure whatever, but untill then they are protected by Britain and Ireland can sulk in the corner for all the value their votes have...
If you could have been arsed reading what that post was in reply to you would feel fairly retarded. Whoever i was replying to said that the republic didnt want the north, i was saying thats a lie, i never said we have any say in the matter as it is at the moment. Plus! Not all people in the north recognise "British rule" over our occupied six counties. And, i dont know where you are getting this sulking in the corner stuff from. You obviously have no knowledge of this subject, so i suggest you stop speaking through your pooper :)

Few points:

1. Kroisistan should have recognition (praise or condemnation, whichever you prefer) for breaking the chain of frantic exclamation marks that this thread seemed locked into prior to his/her first post here.

2. Evinsia: you say you're a "Scotch-Irish-Anglo-American". Very eclectic, I'm sure. But how long have you been a drink? "Scotch" is whisky. The word you were looking for was "Scottish".

3. Kazcaper said:
Only if referenda in both countries demonstrate that a majority want independence. If they do, fine - let them have it; if they don't, fine - let things remain as they are.Wouldn't it be great if things were that simple? The problem is that if you have a population divided between two points of view, then the smaller part of that population is going to get a raw deal. Yes, I know - it's called democracy - but there're also a lot of words to describe people being compelled to leave their homes and country.

4. The (so-called) Gaelic Empire wrote feverishly:STUPID ENGLISH!!! The Wales and Scotland and Ireland have different custums and different beliefs than the English. How would we Americains like it if we were controlled by.....Swedan or Chad or Japan. They are toooooo different idk how long they can take being forced to be together.How long can they take it? Well, several hundred years so far, and while some "Americains" on this forum seem remarkably passionate about it all, the Scots, the Welsh, the Northern Irish and the English actually seem reasonably happy with the status quo. Can I respectfully remind The Gaelic Empire that your country fought a war to release yourselves from British rule, and thus from British affairs. Please don't now claim that these matters concern you and that you want a say in them. You fought for your independence, to your credit you won it, and that means that you are American. Now, I am a very great fan of America, and have the greatest respect for the country and its people (if not its administration). But I am a UK citizen with no right to make judgements over how the USA is run, or whether some example state should be able to secede. To say that talk like this from you smacks of a double standard is putting it mildly.

As it happens the states of Britain are not all that different - which is why the UK has operated so well for as long as it has. There are a lot of problems in the way in which the UK is run, that's true. There are a lot of differences of opinion. But the mechanism works, even if it's not perfect. All the component states of the UK would fare better in the union than without it. No doubt when that changes then the structure of the UK will have to be reconsidered. But that time is not now - and that time will hopefully not be determined by people who decide their opinion of history based on what Mel Gibson did in the movies.