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I am proposing that the Blue States break away from the rest of America (based on the 2004 election). If you think about it, it would be a pretty good deal for us. We'd get California, which has a GDP larger than both the UK and France alone. We'd get NYC, the red states would get Cleveland. Who's with me?

Screw that.

Let's all join up with Canada and take over from inside their Parliament!

With us Californians alone we'll double the Canadian population. ;)

Ha, then we'll invade Turkey. They'll never see it coming!

Turk: Homigod, IT'S A FUCKING FLAG WITH A LEAF ON OUR BUILDING!
Canadian: Yeah! And we're renaming this place to "chicken"! Bitch!

Haha, longest coup in history. Lay low for 200 year...and then STRIKE!

I think Mexico should bet California back. They really need the money. Just give it to them... DO IT! :p :D

Screw that.

Let's all join up with Canada and take over from inside their Parliament!

With us Californians alone we'll double the Canadian population. ;)

Ha, then we'll invade Turkey. They'll never see it coming!

Turk: Homigod, IT'S A FUCKING FLAG WITH A LEAF ON OUR BUILDING!
Canadian: Yeah! And we're renaming this place to "chicken"! Bitch!

Haha, longest coup in history. Lay low for 200 year...and then STRIKE!

The whole point of forging a new union would be to stop getting involved in BS wars...

I say we do it. I'm tired of the Red States crying "fiscal responsibility" while siphoning off the Blue State's money.

We've been supporting those freeloading conservatives for too long.

I am proposing that the Blue States break away from the rest of America (based on the 2004 election). If you think about it, it would be a pretty good deal for us. We'd get California, which has a GDP larger than both the UK and France alone. We'd get NYC, the red states would get Cleveland. Who's with me?
It is unbelievably infeasible. In many blue states, not even sixty percent voted for Kerry.

Screw that.

Let's all join up with Canada and take over from inside their Parliament!

With us Californians alone we'll double the Canadian population. ;)

Ha, then we'll invade Turkey. They'll never see it coming!

Turk: Homigod, IT'S A FUCKING FLAG WITH A LEAF ON OUR BUILDING!
Canadian: Yeah! And we're renaming this place to "chicken"! Bitch!

Haha, longest coup in history. Lay low for 200 year...and then STRIKE!

I don't think Turkey is worth our time. Canada to a lesser extent, too. What do they have? Maple syrup?

The whole point of forging a new union would be to stop getting involved in BS wars...

I say we do it. I'm tired of the Red States crying "fiscal responsibility" while siphoning off the Blue State's money.

We've been supporting those freeloading conservatives for too long.

Damn right!

I don't think Turkey is worth our time. Canada to a lesser extent, too. What do they have? Maple syrup?
Erm, Conan O' Brien's parents?

We could have an ARMY of comedians!

All the states were purple.

And if you wanna really get touchie

There are no blue states...

just blue mega cities that outvote the rest of the entire state.

http://www.jar2.com/1/Images/Sept04/results2004_lg.jpg

And are you saying something dispareging about Cleveland? thats not very opened minded of a liberal now is it? San Deigo and 70% of the rest of california would defect from your "country" so there goes most of the economy

I'd support it. But what would we call ourselves? The Blue states of America? The California confederacy?

Oh oh! And we could have Howard Dean as President, with Nader as VP! Oh glorious day!

Our new constitution could expressly and permanently separate Church and State at all levels of the government, and make starting an agressive war unconstitutional.

And I know our first act of state - Alliance with Canada!

All the states were purple.

And if you wanna really get touchie

There are no blue states...

just blue mega cities that outvote the rest of the entire state.

http://www.jar2.com/1/Images/Sept04/results2004_lg.jpg

And are you saying something dispareging about Cleveland? thats not very opened minded of a liberal now is it? San Deigo and 70% of the rest of california would defect from your "country" so there goes most of the economy
*follows the Missississississippi river*

What the hell, do we Democrats litterally SPAWN in water or something? What is it about WATER that attracts us?

Oh lets break away, blah blah blah blah...

There isn't going to be a break-away because there are two different political parties. Sheesh, even I will acknowledge the democrats and republicans are pretty close ideologically.

I don't think Turkey is worth our time. Canada to a lesser extent, too. What do they have? Maple syrup?

That and great bud...which would be legal in Califanadaxicoegonington (California, Canada, Mexico, Oregon and Washington....others may apply as well if they wish. Nevada and Hawaii are possibilities)

*follows the Missississississippi river*

What the hell, do we Democrats litterally SPAWN in water or something? What is it about WATER that attracts us?

Actually that is where the highest concentration of slaves were located, when freed a majority of them stayed where they were because they had nowhere to go, its the same for that swaft of blue you see across miss and alabama, it matches perfectly with the old slave maps

btw cleveland was a blue area, so the OP didnt even know whos blue or red, the largest red cities appear to be San Jose, San Deigo, and Indianapolis. Indianapolis is bigger then San Fran.

But anyways, the message to get across is that there are no red or blue states, only purple. The US doesnt need anymore radicals like this OP

All the states were purple.

And if you wanna really get touchie

There are no blue states...

just blue mega cities that outvote the rest of the entire state.

http://www.jar2.com/1/Images/Sept04/results2004_lg.jpg

And are you saying something dispareging about Cleveland? thats not very opened minded of a liberal now is it? San Deigo and 70% of the rest of california would defect from your "country" so there goes most of the economy
Great image Gulf. I’m saving it. Where did you get it?

All the states were purple.

And if you wanna really get touchie

There are no blue states...

just blue mega cities that outvote the rest of the entire state.

http://www.jar2.com/1/Images/Sept04/results2004_lg.jpg



Well, the blue 'states' have enough blue mega cities to keep them from going to the dark side, so that's fine with me.

And are you saying something dispareging about Cleveland? thats not very opened minded of a liberal now is it?

Come on, Cleveland compared to NYC, you know NYC is going to win every time. It was just a comparison, jeez.

San Deigo and 70% of the rest of california would defect from your "country" so there goes most of the economy

Even if they did so, we'd still have the three largest metropolitan areas of the former US. A lot of businesses.

Actually that is where the highest concentration of slaves were located, when freed a majority of them stayed where they were because they had nowhere to go, its the same for that swaft of blue you see across miss and alabama, it matches perfectly with the old slave maps
Interesting. Since Republicans freed the slaves and more heavily supported civil rights legislation.

Great image Gulf. I’m saving it. Where did you get it?

google image search :D

Great image Gulf. I’m saving it. Where did you get it?


Er...at the website that the link said.

California doesn't make any money. They are much more in debt than anyone else

Let's all join up with Canada and take over from inside their Parliament!

With us Californians alone we'll double the Canadian population. ;)

Ha, then we'll invade Turkey. They'll never see it coming!

Turk: Homigod, IT'S A FUCKING FLAG WITH A LEAF ON OUR BUILDING!there's gonna be a bear on that flag

Er...at the website that the link said.
You, stop pointing out the obvious. :D
I’m tired ok.

I don't think Turkey is worth our time. Canada to a lesser extent, too. What do they have? Maple syrup?

We've got lots, actually, but we've been wising up about telling you guys too much lately. Who, us? Gold? Diamonds? Oil? *starts whistling*

To paraphrase Butthead (a great American): "Unhhhh... you're thinking of, like, other kidth or something."

I'd support it. But what would we call ourselves? The Blue states of America? The California confederacy?

Oh oh! And we could have Howard Dean as President, with Nader as VP! Oh glorious day!

Our new constitution could expressly and permanently separate Church and State at all levels of the government, and make starting an agressive war unconstitutional.

And I know our first act of state - Alliance with Canada!

Not the California Confederacy, reminds me of the rebels. I thought we would call it the title of the thread: New California. Or, New Calinevoregowashminnoischiganpennsylconsinjersticutmassahampvermaineland, D.C

We've got lots, actually, but we've been wising up about telling you guys too much lately. Who, us? Gold? Diamonds? Oil? *starts whistling*

To paraphrase Butthead (a great American): "Unhhhh... you're thinking of, like, other kidth or something."

Fine. We can have an alliance.

All the states were purple.

And if you wanna really get touchie

There are no blue states...

just blue mega cities that outvote the rest of the entire state.

http://www.jar2.com/1/Images/Sept04/results2004_lg.jpg

And are you saying something dispareging about Cleveland? thats not very opened minded of a liberal now is it? San Deigo and 70% of the rest of california would defect from your "country" so there goes most of the economy
Don't forget that Orange Country would defect as well. Since Orange Country is 80% conservative republican.

Perhaps mexico can just merge with California, then we dont have to worry about the border anymore and we can also get Mexico's precious black gold. http://assets.jolt.co.uk/forums/images/icons/icon3.gif http://assets.jolt.co.uk/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

Don't forget that Orange Country would defect as well. Since Orange Country is 80% conservative republican.

It's a deal!!!!!

That would be a dream come true.

Well, the blue 'states' have enough blue mega cities to keep them from going to the dark side, so that's fine with me.



Come on, Cleveland compared to NYC, you know NYC is going to win every time. It was just a comparison, jeez.



Even if they did so, we'd still have the three largest metropolitan areas of the former US. A lot of businesses.


Do you listen to yourself? youre talking down one of your own "blue cities". And really Chicago is more blue then California. how would those blue cities do business? most of their workers and customers are people that commute into the city from the rural areas, they would have nobody to sell to except the urban poor which make up the majority of democratic voters. Bit if you must be knitpicky about cities...

the top 20 cites in the US and which way they went...

1) NYC --Blue
2) LA -- Blue
3) Chicago--Blue
4) Houston --Red
5) Philly --Blue
6) Phoniex --Red
7) San Diego --Red
8) San An -- Red
9) Dallas -- Red
10) San Jose -- Cant tell but looks blue
11) Detroit -- Blue
12) Indianapolis --Red
13) Jacksonville --Red
14) San Fran -- Do i have to write it?
15) Columbus -- Blue
16) Louisville -- Red
17) Austin -- Blue
18) Memphis --blue
19) Baltimore --Blue
20) Fort Worth-- Red

So really....the cities thing isnt exactly true.

Well, the blue 'states' have enough blue mega cities to keep them from going to the dark side, so that's fine with me.



Come on, Cleveland compared to NYC, you know NYC is going to win every time. It was just a comparison, jeez.



Even if they did so, we'd still have the three largest metropolitan areas of the former US. A lot of businesses.



The cities would require the support of agriculture and industry from the predominantly red areas. That secession could never occur, not with the standards of luxury we have :D

C'mon Gambloshia, you'd all still be Americans - why not go for something more recognizable...traditional...yet distictive.

Like, the "Democratic States of America"? 'Democratic' referring to the democratic ideal, not the party using that as their name. Of course.

Not to mention the fact that California would be dependent on the US for its supply of drinking water, much as Mexico already is.

C'mon Gambloshia, you'd all still be Americans - why not go for something more recognizable...traditional...yet distictive.

Like, the "Democratic States of America"? 'Democratic' referring to the democratic ideal, not the party using that as their name. Of course.

Anything with Democratic in the name usually means its communist. I never really understood why they do that but almost all of them do..kinda like they are gonna fool anybody.

The cities would require the support of agriculture and industry from the predominantly red areas. That secession could never occur, not with the standards of luxury we have :D

The cities could easily have their needs met by integrating their markets into Canada's, directly. That would easily allow secession, even given the profundity of America's need for luxury.

:)

Do you listen to yourself? youre talking down one of your own "blue cities". And really Chicago is more blue then California. how would those blue cities do business? most of their workers and customers are people that commute into the city from the rural areas, they would have nobody to sell to except the urban poor which make up the majority of democratic voters. Bit if you must be knitpicky about cities...

the top 20 cites in the US and which way they went...

1) NYC --Blue
2) LA -- Blue
3) Chicago--Blue
4) Houston --Red
5) Philly --Blue
6) Phoniex --Red
7) San Diego --Red
8) San An -- Red
9) Dallas -- Red
10) San Jose -- Cant tell but looks blue
11) Detroit -- Blue
12) Indianapolis --Red
13) Jacksonville --Red
14) San Fran -- Do i have to write it?
15) Columbus -- Blue
16) Louisville -- Red
17) Austin -- Blue
18) Memphis --blue
19) Baltimore --Blue
20) Fort Worth-- Red

So really....the cities thing isnt exactly true.

Okay, any city isn't nearly as good (business-wise, politically, population-wise) as NYC. It's not talking down, it's just the truth.

And those red cities were in red states, whilst the blue cities were in the blue states. (With the exception of Columbus, San Diego, Austin and Memphis)

Not to mention the fact that California would be dependent on the US for its supply of drinking water, much as Mexico already is.

Again, Canada to the rescue.

Up Blue!

C'mon Gambloshia, you'd all still be Americans - why not go for something more recognizable...traditional...yet distictive.

Like, the "Democratic States of America"? 'Democratic' referring to the democratic ideal, not the party using that as their name. Of course.
Considering that the American ideal is representative republicanism (once again, not the party) as espoused by our Founding Fathers, that would not be reconcilable with me.

My plan:
~Breakaway or not, I write a song called "Break Away" with obscure, incomprehensible lyrics.
~The song becomes overwhelmingly popular.
~I make an obscene amount of money
~I no longer need toilet paper.

Again, Canada to the rescue.

Up Blue!

Hahaha!

And, regarding the lack of agricultural areas, we could always trade with other countries.

Well then how about... fucked if I know, didn't think you'd all be so touchy...how abouuuut:

The United Republic of America?
The United Democratic Republic of America?
The American uh... The...

Ah, New Calfornia is kinda catchy. How about that, instead?

Actually the US would be better off given that:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9313182&postcount=446

Considering that the American ideal is representative republicanism (once again, not the party) as espoused by our Founding Fathers, that would not be reconcilable with me.

But it's a democracy, so going either extreme would be wrong. 'United States' is fine.

the US is a republic. Not a democracy.

Okay, any city isn't nearly as good (business-wise, politically, population-wise) as NYC. It's not talking down, it's just the truth.

And those red cities were in red states, whilst the blue cities were in the blue states. (With the exception of Columbus, San Diego, Austin and Memphis)


And? NYC is in decline has been for a while now due to all of the Northeasts population leading, hell you notice Boston isnt even in the top 20 cities anymore. All youre doing is proving that any color state doesnt exist because it is basically just the cities that define what color the state truely goes.

Perfect examples being NYC outvoting the rest of New York, Chicago outvoting the entire rest of the state, And Portland basically controlling all of Oregon.

The democratic party is doomed if the Republicans gain even less then 5% support from the people in the cities, thats why you see them cow tow to them a lot more then you see democrats.

The democratic party has over speicalized their message, and they are paying the price for it.

But it's a democracy, so going either extreme would be wrong. 'United States' is fine.
No. The Founding Fathers repeatedly tried to get across that they weren’t creating a democracy.

the US is a republic. Not a democracy.

Damn my third grade teacher. :rolleyes:

Hahaha!

And, regarding the lack of agricultural areas, we could always trade with other countries.

Why do you insist on hurting your own state and country out of some pity spite for one man that will be gone in 3 years?

Well then how about... fucked if I know, didn't think you'd all be so touchy...how abouuuut:

The United Republic of America?
The United Democratic Republic of America?
The American uh... The...

Ah, New Calfornia is kinda catchy. How about that, instead?

United American Republic. UAR.

The cities could easily have their needs met by integrating their markets into Canada's, directly. That would easily allow secession, even given the profundity of America's need for luxury.

:)


Canada's agragrian capacity is not nearly the amount required to sustain that many major US cities...and of course we would cut off your water supply, after all, treason is frowned upon :D

Why do you insist on hurting your own state and country out of some pity spite for one man that will be gone in 3 years?

Oh, come on! It's not like the damage to us would be too severe. We could always just reincorporate them Civil War-style and make them our servants :D

Canada's agragrian capacity is not nearly the amount required to sustain that many major US cities...and of course we would cut off your water supply, after all, treason is frowned upon :D
See American Civil War. Secession in the US generally leads to your state being burnt to the ground and still being screwed over by the federal government over one hundred years later.

Why do you insist on hurting your own state and country out of some pity spite for one man that will be gone in 3 years?

Although I do utterly despise Bush, it's not just him, it's the republican party as a whole, and, though I hate to admit it, the Republicans will win the next few elections, creating a living hell for yours truly. And if the entire were to stay together after the coup d'etat, if wouldn't take that big a hit, as we'd have three port cities, agricultural products from Central Valley,and an alliance with Canada can fix the water troubles.

Oh, come on! It's not like the damage to us would be too severe. We could always just reincorporate them Civil War-style and make them our servants :D

Im not american =P

Anyways intresting factoid time....

The "Republic of Jefferson" was an American state that existed for about 10 months in 1941. Essentially, northern counties in California, and southern counties in Oregon felt betrayed and abandoned by their respective state governments, so they seceded from their states, but *not* the union, and formed their own state, which they called "The Republic of Jefferson."

This kind of thing has been tried before (The State of Franklin, from 1783-1787 springs to mind) and it's expressly forbidden by the constitution *unless* all states which are a party to it, *and* congress agree to allow the subdivision, in which case it's ok. California and Oregon were opposed to it, but were dumbfounded, and congress flatly refused to get involved. It was the biggest story of 1941... until the 1st week of december, of course.


Call yourselves the Republic of Jefferson. :D

Although I do utterly despise Bush, it's not just him, it's the republican party as a whole, and, though I hate to admit it, the Republicans will win the next few elections, creating a living hell for yours truly. And if the entire were to stay together after the coup d'etat, if wouldn't tkae that big a hit, as we'd have three port cities, agricultural products from Central Valley,and an alliance with Canada can fix the water troubles.
And how exactly would you manage transportation between California and New York?

And how exactly would you manage transportation between California and New York?

Panama Canal! Or, we can go north through Canada, though that would be expensive. Maybe Canada can give us a break if we give them Real California cheese, it's the cheese.

9) Dallas -- Red


I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Dallas sucks. The Dallas city government is quite possibly the worst ever. They can't get shit done. I mean they lost of Cowboys AGAIN to another surrounding city.

17) Austin -- Blue

Damned Austin hippies... :D

Canada's agragrian capacity is not nearly the amount required to sustain that many major US cities...and of course we would cut off your water supply, after all, treason is frowned upon :D

'Treason' implies we're in some way subordinate to you. I think not. Anyway, there's more arable land here than we know what to do with. We can easily meet the needs of America's cities.

After all, we exclusively meet the entire planet's need for Durham Semolina (wheat) - you know, the grain that's used in pasta?

We supply the entire planet's supply of pasta. I think we can handle America's cities just fine, thanks.

And how exactly would you manage transportation between California and New York?

Via Canada.

Via Canada.

See, Gulf Republics; we've got it down.

Panama Canal! Or, we can go north through Canada, though that would be expensive. Maybe Canada can give us a break if we give them Real California cheese, it's the cheese.

Give us your fighter jets and we'll talk. These Reds sound surly, and we'd need secured airspace to guarantee safe passage.

We have all the cheese we need. Have you seen how large Quebec is?

Although I do utterly despise Bush, it's not just him, it's the republican party as a whole, and, though I hate to admit it, the Republicans will win the next few elections, creating a living hell for yours truly. And if the entire were to stay together after the coup d'etat, if wouldn't tkae that big a hit, as we'd have three port cities, agricultural products from Central Valley,and an alliance with Canada can fix the water troubles.


Would you leave if you knew the country was leaning heavily democratic for say...the next 2 elections? To me your comments seem defeatist and unaccepting of different ideals, the very basic foundiation of the american system to begin with, so maybe you should leave. Power between the two parties always ebs and flows, to run away when the tide is out so to say seems uniquely unamerican to begin with. The ebs and flows are what is needed to make sure the country stays balanced and it always occurs because countrary to popular viewpoint the majority of people are swing voters voting on what they think is best at the time.

Panama Canal! Or, we can go north through Canada, though that would be expensive. Maybe Canada can give us a break if we give them Real California cheese, it's the cheese.



Oh, that's right! I forgot to consider the fact that the blue states are seperated by most of the country. Conquering you would be all the easier :D

'Treason' implies we're in some way subordinate to you. I think not. Anyway, there's more arable land here than we know what to do with. We can easily meet the needs of America's cities.

After all, we exclusively meet the entire planet's need for Durham Semolina (wheat) - you know, the grain that's used in pasta?

We supply the entire planet's supply of pasta. I think we can handle America's cities just fine, thanks.


I hope you like pasta, because you will otherwise starve ;)

See, Gulf Republics; we've got it down.

by looking at my map there is no highway link between California and Canada. it would have to all be shipped via the small port of LA or San Fran to Vancover then across Canada, very very inefficent.

Actually the US would be better off given that:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9313182&postcount=446

OMG, you didn't just reference your own made up BS to support more of the same, did you?

Yes, yes you did.

OMG, you didn't just reference your own made up BS to support more of the same, did you?

Yes, yes you did.



Sadly, a lot of that is actually true lol.

Give us your fighter jets and we'll talk. These Reds sound surly, and we'd need secured airspace to guarantee safe passage.

We have all the cheese we need. Have you seen how large Quebec is?

You don't know cheese until you've had the cheese.

by looking at my map there is no highway link between California and Canada. it would have to all be shipped via the small port of LA or San Fran to Vancover then across Canada, very very inefficent.


The funniest part: They're relying on Canada to sustain them.....CANADA! Canada would take a hit itself if they support a secession, so the new States would quickly plummet to third world status. Especially with their social policies as they are :p

Would you leave if you knew the country was leaning heavily democratic for say...the next 2 elections? To me your comments seem defeatist and unaccepting of different ideals, the very basic foundiation of the american system to begin with, so maybe you should leave. Power between the two parties always ebs and flows, to run away when the tide is out so to say seems uniquely unamerican to begin with. The ebs and flows are what is needed to make sure the country stays balanced and it always occurs because countrary to popular viewpoint the majority of people are swing voters voting on what they think is best at the time.

I would leave. I really would. Problem is, I'm 13. So, after college, I'll probably go to Europe.

Sadly, a lot of that is actually true lol.

The stuff that is true is exaggerated or only made true by leaving out an important detail or because it's making a generalization from a single example.

In other words, sprinkling a turd with sugar don't make it sweet.

It is unbelievably infeasible. In many blue states, not even sixty percent voted for Kerry.

...and in many red states, not even 55% voted for Bush. Please don't abandon us midwestern left-wingers.

The funniest part: They're relying on Canada to sustain them.....CANADA! Canada would take a hit itself if they support a secession, so the new States would quickly plummet to third world status. Especially with their social policies as they are :p

Canada is a G8 country, so I wouldn't mind relying on them to help us get along the first years.

I would leave. I really would. Problem is, I'm 13. So, after college,I;ll probably go to Europe.

Youd probably fit in better there, but what i believed when i was 13 has changed a lot now that im in college.

I used to be a member of Greenpeace when i was 16. Now i have a bumper sticker with 5 smoke stacks giving the finger that says fuck enviromentalists :D

...and in many red states, not even 55% voted for Bush. Please don't abandon us midwestern left-wingers.

Come to California to make Central Valley blue! We can help pay for your trip, maybe, hopefully, probably not.

Come to California to make Central Valley blue! We can help pay for your trip, maybe, hopefully, probably not.

What is said is that there is actually groups doing that....obviously that needs to be looked in on both sides, it underminds democracy

Youd probably fit in better there, but what i believed when i was 13 has changed a lot now that im in college.

I used to be a member of Greenpeace when i was 16. Now i have a bumper sticker with 5 smoke stacks giving the finger that says fuck enviromentalists :D

Nice. But *cliche world is running out of resources bit*.

Canada is a G8 country, so I wouldn't mind relying on them to help us get along the first years.


They're a G8 country because of relations with the US. We are a huge part of their economy, which would collapse without American trade. So, were you to secede and were they to support it, they wouldn't be a G8 country much longer :D

What is said is that there is actually groups doing that....obviously that needs to be looked in on both sides, it underminds democracy

*Cough* 2000 election *cough*.

Nice. But *cliche world is running out of resources bit*.

Of course i dont want smoke stacks everywhere, but i dont want to live in a tree either. Balance is good =) which is why blue states need red states and red states need blue states (loosely using the states term which is wrong but whatever..lol)

The bumper sticker is just to piss them off because its fun when they get all pissy while they drive by in their SUVs like they are any different :D

They're a G8 country because of relations with the US. We are a huge part of their economy, which would collapse without American trade. So, were you to secede and were they to support it, they wouldn't be a G8 country much longer :D

I'm sure the other G8 countries would help out, too. I've heard some are not too fond of Bush.

Of course i dont want smoke stacks everywhere, but i dont want to live in a tree either. Balance is good =) which is why blue states need red states and red states need blue states (loosely using the states term which is wrong but whatever..lol)

The bumper sticker is just to piss them off because its fun when they get all pissy while they drive by in their SUVs like they are any different :D

Don't forget Hummers. Those bastards give off more gas than cows. :p

*Cough* 2000 election *cough*.

That was a democratic political error, they should of asked for an entire recount on the whole state instead of just one massively democratic county, the supreme court knew that was unfair and ruled against them closing the election. Who knows what would have happened had the democratcs been a little smarter.

The funniest part: They're relying on Canada to sustain them.....CANADA! Canada would take a hit itself if they support a secession, so the new States would quickly plummet to third world status. Especially with their social policies as they are :p

Running scared, are we? :)

Running scared, are we? :)



Nah, our climate and work ethic would sustain us, I doubt you all would last long at all. Don't worry, you can be my personal servant when you all start to starve....I will treat you well :D I need someone to level my dragoon on FFXI ;)

That was a democratic political error, they should of asked for an entire recount on the whole state instead of just one massively democratic county, the supreme court knew that was unfair and ruled against them closing the election. Who knows what would have happened had the democratcs been a little smarter.

'Democratic political error,' like 'Weapons of Mass Destruction related activies' or 'wardrobe malfunction.' :p And the Supreme Court voted 5 to 4 against it; 5 members of the supreme court are Reps and 4 are Dems, those biased pieces of shit (both sides).

'Democratic political error,' like 'Weapons of Mass Destruction related activies' or 'wardrobe malfunction.' :p And the Supreme Court voted 5 to 4 against; 5 members of the supreme court are Reps and 4 are Dems, those biased pieces of shit (both sides).


O'Connor doesn't count as ours :mad:

Damn, you Klan State! Indiana was blue until dominated by the Klan and I would be left out of this liberal democracy. Maybe a civil war? Spread it to your "misguided brethren" here in Indiana?

But no seriously, the new theme in political persuasion seems to be rural vs. urban. Urban people are more affluent and thereby liberal while rurals are... well American (in the 1861 Confedarcy kind of way). Most of the red cities were full of immigrants, usually from a rural setting, and voted conservatively. Funny, because under conservative immigration laws they wouldn't be here!

Damn, you Klan State! Indiana was blue until dominated by the Klan and I would be left out of this liberal democracy. Maybe a civil war? Spread it to your "misguided brethren" here in Indiana?

But no seriously, the new theme in political persuasion seems to be rural vs. urban. Urban people are more affluent and thereby liberal while rurals are... well American (in the 1861 Confedarcy kind of way). Most of the red cities were full of immigrants, usually from a rural setting, and voted conservatively. Funny, because under conservative immigration laws they wouldn't be here!



Where do you live? It will be the first place invaded :mad:

Damn, you Klan State! Indiana was blue until dominated by the Klan and I would be left out of this liberal democracy. Maybe a civil war? Spread it to your "misguided brethren" here in Indiana?

But no seriously, the new theme in political persuasion seems to be rural vs. urban. Urban people are more affluent and thereby liberal while rurals are... well American (in the 1861 Confedarcy kind of way). Most of the red cities were full of immigrants, usually from a rural setting, and voted conservatively. Funny, because under conservative immigration laws they wouldn't be here!

I hate irony when it goes against me.

*This case of Irony* :sniper: Take that, ya bastard.

They're a G8 country because of relations with the US. We are a huge part of their economy, which would collapse without American trade. So, were you to secede and were they to support it, they wouldn't be a G8 country much longer :D

Yeah well our past and current trading inequities - oh, sorry, I meant to say 'trade treaties' *ahem* have taught us enough to know that the US can only be trusted to say anything to get everything. You're weasels when it comes to exchange of goods and services - lying, cheating, swindling backsliding thieves and brigands. A trade treaty with the US means nothing, because you don't honour your bargains.

This means we've been having to diversify our markets, and wouldn't you know? There's a market for what we have to offer the world. Other than the master/servant BS we've been going through the motions with you weasels for so long you take it completely for granted.

All that changes when the US balkanizes. Our economy will break completely through the glass ceiling you put over us. And you'll be the ones looking glum then.

We Red States have better weapons. We could simply carpet-bomb all of y'all into submission. We also have better overall knowledge of rural terrain, and most of us know how to hunt large mammals. We can surround your cities and destroy anything that comes in or out- after all, we kill things two or three times as massive as you blue-staters on a weekly basis. We don't have the advantage of numbers, but we do have better tactical skills and, as an added bonus, the support of the majority of the United States' military (they voted primarily for Bush in the '04 elections.)

Yeah well our past and current trading inequities - oh, sorry, I meant to say 'trade treaties' *ahem* have taught us enough to know that the US can only be trusted to say anything to get everything. You're weasels when it comes to exchange of goods and services - lying, cheating, swindling backsliding thieves and brigands. A trade treaty with the US means nothing, because you don't honour your bargains.

This means we've been having to diversify our markets, and wouldn't you know? There's a market for what we have to offer the world. Other than the master/servant BS we've been going through the motions with you weasels for so long you take it completely for granted.

All that changes when the US balkanizes. Our economy will break completely through the glass ceiling you put over us. And you'll be the ones looking glum then.



And what will drive your markets? Will you find a way to convert snow to energy and mass-breed moose? :D

'Democratic political error,' like 'Weapons of Mass Destruction related activies' or 'wardrobe malfunction.' :p And the Supreme Court voted 5 to 4 against it; 5 members of the supreme court are Reps and 4 are Dems, those biased pieces of shit (both sides).


They way to nullify any bias on the court really would be to add another seat and to always make sure its 5 conservaties 5 liberals and the current vice prez doing the tiebreaking vote if any ties occur since he doesnt seem to do much anyways

But that would basically tear down the whole idea of there actually being more then 2 parties..and there are really, so maybe not a good idea as it basically sets up a two party state.

We Red States have better weapons. We could simply carpet-bomb all of y'all into submission. We also have better overall knowledge of rural terrain, and most of us know how to hunt large mammals. We can surround your cities and destroy anything that comes in or out- after all, we kill things two or three times as massive as you blue-staters on a weekly basis. We don't have the advantage of numbers, but we do have better tactical skills and, as an added bonus, the support of the majority of the United States' military (they voted primarily for Bush in the '04 elections.)

Um........you do realize more war would be disastrous. Come on, Iraq, Afganistan and New California? Too much.

We Red States have better weapons. We could simply carpet-bomb all of y'all into submission. We also have better overall knowledge of rural terrain, and most of us know how to hunt large mammals. We can surround your cities and destroy anything that comes in or out- after all, we kill things two or three times as massive as you blue-staters on a weekly basis. We don't have the advantage of numbers, but we do have better tactical skills and, as an added bonus, the support of the majority of the United States' military (they voted primarily for Bush in the '04 elections.)



You've just stated the obvious :D

what are these red and blue states?

We Red States have better weapons. We could simply carpet-bomb all of y'all into submission. We also have better overall knowledge of rural terrain, and most of us know how to hunt large mammals. We can surround your cities and destroy anything that comes in or out- after all, we kill things two or three times as massive as you blue-staters on a weekly basis. We don't have the advantage of numbers, but we do have better tactical skills and, as an added bonus, the support of the majority of the United States' military (they voted primarily for Bush in the '04 elections.)

Actually, it's California companies that provide at least the plurality of hi-tech weaponry.

You can have your assault weapons. We'll use air-superiority.

They way to nullify any bias on the court really would be to add another seat and to always make sure its 5 conservaties 5 liberals and the current vice prez doing the tiebreaking vote if any ties occur since he doesnt seem to do much anyways

But that would basically tear down the whole idea of there actually being more then 2 parties..and there are really, so maybe not a good idea as it basically sets up a two party state.

We already have a two-party state. I don't know how many seats in the House or Senate belong to a party other than the Reps or Dems, but my guess is that it's 3, tops, if any at all.

And what will drive your markets? Will you find a way to convert snow to energy and mass-breed moose? :D

Try diamonds. Gold. Plutonium. Oil. Nickel. Lumber. Water. Wheat. Beef. And a lot more than that besides.

What will drive yours? Coors Light? Monster Truck rallies? Meth Labs? Surrogate mother farms?

Actually, it's California companies that provide at least the plurality of hi-tech weaponry.



I'm sure the weapons developers would leave the new America and come to the greener pastures :D

what are these red and blue states?

Are you serious? Is he serious? I guess I can grant you an exception if you're 10 or younger.

Try diamonds. Gold. Plutonium. Oil. Nickel. Lumber. Water. Wheat. Beef. And a lot more than that besides.

What will drive yours? Coors Light? Monster Truck rallies? Meth Labs? Surrogate mother farms?



I could research what we produce or I could just threaten to invade you like I've been doing :D I could use some gold and diamonds :)

I'm sure the weapons developers would leave the new America and come to the greener pastures :D

Do you mean the green pastures of Central Valley?

Try diamonds. Gold. Plutonium. Oil. Nickel. Lumber. Water. Wheat. Beef. And a lot more than that besides.

What will drive yours? Coors Light? Monster Truck rallies? Meth Labs? Surrogate mother farms?

There are no diamond mines in California that i know of. In fact there is only one in the entire US, and it is in Arkansas, hence why their quarter has a diamond on it.

Edit -- My bad there is one other diamond mine, its on the Colorado-Wyoming border

Do you mean the green pastures of Central Valley?


Nah, they'd like having actual customers :)

There are no diamond mines in California that i know of. In fact there is only one in the entire US, and it is in Arkansas, hence why their quarter has a diamond on it.

I think he meant Canada.

I could research what we produce or I could just threaten to invade you like I've been doing :D I could use some gold and diamonds :)
And how long you think an America who invades a fellow G8 member nation for plunder is going to remain an America with a seat at the G8, or any other international treaty organization for that matter?

Ballpark is fine on this.

And how long you think an America who invades a fellow G8 member nation for plunder is going to remain an America with a seat at the G8, or any other international treaty organization for that matter?

Ballpark is fine on this.



I'm sure we would, after all, supporting rebels is grounds for retaliation :D

I can already taste all the yummy maple syrup now....and I get to have a hot lumberjack guy :D

I'm sure we would, after all, supporting rebels is grounds for retaliation :D

I can already taste all the yummy maple syrup now....and I get to have a hot lumberjack guy :D

Are there hot lumberjack girls...ones that like guys, I mean?

*Cough* 2000 election *cough*.

<cough>1960 election</cough>

Neither party is any decent any longer. Although secession does sound like fun, but considering the government Taxifornia would adopt, I'd have to fight for the Union in the War of Western Secession.

I'm sure we would, after all, supporting rebels is grounds for retaliation :D

I can already taste all the yummy maple syrup now....and I get to have a hot lumberjack guy :D

There are trees in Alabama?

Are there hot lumberjack girls...ones that like guys, I mean?

"I'm a Lumberjack and I'm okay
I sleep all night and I work all day"

</monty python reference>

Actually, it's California companies that provide at least the plurality of hi-tech weaponry.

You can have your assault weapons. We'll use air-superiority.
Actually, we red-states have at least the plurality of America's fighter squadrons. Most of those who aren't already with us would probably defect to our side.
Plus, we have the entire B-1 force. The best bomber on the planet is in our hands.

And the nation's largest supplies of uranium, coal, and a crapload of meat and sugarbeet and tourism. And that's in Wyoming alone.

Actually, it's California companies that provide at least the plurality of hi-tech weaponry.

You can have your assault weapons. We'll use air-superiority.

Air superiority sure worked in Vietnam, and is surely working in Iraq.

Actually, it's California companies that provide at least the plurality of hi-tech weaponry.

You can have your assault weapons. We'll use air-superiority.

Hmm don't forget the sub missiles....... ;)

Hmm don't forget the sub missiles....... ;)
It's a big navy.

tourism. And that's in Wyoming alone.

Wait a minute. People go to Wyoming? Oh wait, is that where Yellowstone is? Or another completely desolate state? I forgot.

It's a big navy.

Based mostly out of Red san diego...

Based mostly out of Red san diego...

In blue California.

In blue California.

California isnt blue though its purple. Without LA or SF voting 85% say more like 50% the blue state would easily be red.

So I have a question for both or either sides.

In the geography textbooks, will your American Nemesis Nation appear, or will you just have ocean shown in its' place? Like some of the old school atlases used to just show water where Cuba was supposed to be.

California isnt blue though its purple. Without LA or SF voting 85% say more like 50% the blue state would easily be red.

*Wished you said ,'In a red Ameica,' so I could say, 'In a green Earth, and green is made from blue, ha!'*

On a 2004 electoral map, CA is blue, no matter how little precincts voted that way or not.

So I have a question for both or either sides.

In the geography textbooks, will your American Nemesis Nation appear, or will you just have ocean shown in its' place? Like some of the old school atlases used to just show water where Cuba was supposed to be.

There will be a black spot over it, and text reading, 'Go here and fall into a bottomless pit of suckiness, biatch!'

*Wished you said IN a red Ameica, so I could say 'In a green Earth, and green is made from blue, ha!'*

On a 2004 electoral map, CA is blue, no matter how little precincts voted that way or not.


But in a revolting California, it wouldnt split down the state line.

But in a revolting California, it wouldnt split down the state line.

When we import midwestern liberals, yes.

So I have a question for both or either sides.

In the geography textbooks, will your American Nemesis Nation appear, or will you just have ocean shown in its' place? Like some of the old school atlases used to just show water where Cuba was supposed to be.
It's just a giant red dildo with the words "Here be dragons" printed where Havana should be.

I don't think such a thing should be on a Kindergartener's classroom poster...but meh!

I have one question!!!

Can Massachusetts join? We have the #1 education system, it can help offset California. >:D

When we import midwestern liberals, yes.


and where you gonna put 20 million more people? California would be brown then from massive pollution.

I have one question!!!

Can Massachusetts join? We have the #1 education system, it can help offset California. >:D

If you had read my first post, you would've realized that it would be all blue states, and last time I checked, Massachusetts is almost ALL blue.

I have one question!!!

Can Massachusetts join? We have the #1 education system, it can help offset California. >:D
Teacher: Children. Good news. For every idiot in this classroom, there's a SMART kid on the other coast!
Kids: YAY!
Teacher: This means it doesn't matter what the hell I teach you! w00t! *takes off her top*

:eek:

Well excuse me for being up all night sick! :(

But yeah, we're the Bluest State EVER!

Take this you damn reds!
:mad: :gundge:

and where you gonna put 20 million more people? California would be brown then from massive pollution.

In New California, Reno and NW Nevada would be part of the Province 'Califoreno'. :) They'd be put in the NE corner of Califoreno.

Teacher: Children. Good news. For every idiot in this classroom, there's a SMART kid on the other coast!
Kids: YAY!
Teacher: This means it doesn't matter what the hell I teach you! w00t! *takes off her top*

:eek:

Now thats what I call education. :D

Well excuse me for being up all night sick! :(

But yeah, we're the Bluest State EVER!

Take this you damn reds!
:mad: :gundge:
No no no...not the GREEN smily!

00:(
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:(:(

In New California, Reno and NW Nevada would be part of the Province 'Califoreno'. :) They'd be put in the NE corner of Califoreno.


I prefer Joehio.

Teacher: Children. Good news. For every idiot in this classroom, there's a SMART kid on the other coast!
Kids: YAY!
Teacher: This means it doesn't matter what the hell I teach you! w00t! *takes off her top*

:eek:

I wish I had a hot teacher to do that. That'd make my day. :p

So whats the flag gonna be?

I prefer Joehio.

List of Provinces:

Califoreno
Washingon
Nevegas
Minnesconsin
Michigan
Maryware, D.C.
Pennsyljersey
New York
Connecticut (Current Connecticut and Rhode Island)
Massamont
New Maine

So whats the flag gonna be?

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/us_ca-gy.html

So whats the flag gonna be?

Hmmm.....How about the one for a puppet nation of mine, HuggWuggyBears? (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=huggwuggybears )(shut up)

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/us_ca-gy.html

Is that supposed to be an insult?

Hmmm.....How about the one for a puppet nation of mine, HuggWuggyBears? (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=huggwuggybears )(shut up)


Nice tax rate jeezus im not living in that country.

Is that supposed to be an insult?

Do you want it to be?

I hate the gay flag, not for what it stands for but the fact its ugly as sin.

Nice tax rate jeezus im not living in that country.

It's slowly going down. It used to be at 80%. Yeah, I know.

Do you want it to be?

I hate the gay flag, not for what it stands for but the fact its ugly as sin.

I don't see it as an insult. I do think it should be something other than the rainbow, but who am I to tell the gay community?

I don't see it as an insult. I do think it should be something other than the rainbow, but who am I to tell the gay community?

Why do gays need a flag? Do they want to be different from other people? I thought they wanted equality, right now they have a flag for their "kind"....which is lines with what the KKK does :D

Why do gays need a flag? Do they want to be different from other people? I thought they wanted equality, right now they have a flag for their "kind"....which is lines with what the KKK does :D

Well, they already are different *only referring to their sexual preferences* than most, and I guess they thought that merits a flag.

We'd get California, which has a GDP larger than both the UK and France alone.

Erm, current world rankings put California's GDP at 7th in the world when seperated and the UK 4th (soon to be 5th overtaken by China).

So whats the flag gonna be?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v615/EnKatt/InternetExplorerWallpaper.bmp

I don't see it as an insult. I do think it should be something other than the rainbow, but who am I to tell the gay community?



You're going to let the gay community pick your flag? I don't know what they'll choose, but I have a feeling it will get you mocked at the UN for the short period of time you exist :D

You're going to let the gay community pick your flag? I don't know what they'll choose, but I have a feeling it will get you mocked at the UN for the short period of time you exist :D

No, I was saying that I can't tell them how to make their flag, I wasn't letting them make ours.

What? Gay men are known for having good taste. :p

I think that if we can, we should get all the blue staters to leave the red states and join the blue states. If we did that then we could out number the conservatives. Then once we have a majority, we could vote to leave the the U.S. and form either our own country or join Canada. Then we could build a wall between us and them. That way, they stay on their side and we stay on ours. There would be no more radical Right Wing agenda's and no more Bush's as President. Also, I suggest we keep Cleveland, its not as bad as everyones thinks it is. Trust, I live there. There is strength in numbers!!!!

I think that if we can, we should get all the blue staters to leave the red states and join the blue states. If we did that then we could out number the conservatives. Then once we have a majority, we could vote to leave the the U.S. and form either our own country or join Canada. Then we could build a wall between us and them. That way, they stay on their side and we stay on ours. There would be no more radical Right Wing agenda's and no more Bush's as President. Also, I suggest we keep Cleveland, its not as bad as everyones thinks it is. Trust, I live there. There is strength in numbers!!!!

Brilliant. Then we can stop the right-wingers from performing terrorist acts against liberals with a literal wall of seperation between church and blue..

What would we do about cities like Columbus and Cleveland that are Blue, but are in a Red State????? Would they be able to join???? and if so, how????

I thought we did seperate....that's why I moved to NYC I propose all NYers head back to the new state of New York.

I'm amazed some Americans are even willing to take part in this conversation. You live in the richest, most powerful and most developed dountry in the world; why put any of that at risk?

The "my back yard is better than yours" syndrome is much worse in the UK, where the ideologically bankrupt Labour government gave Wales and Scotland elected assembleis, even though less than 30% of the Welsh populace supported theres. Separatism like this is what brings down great nations, and you've got to stand up to China...

Damn George Washington.. If it hadn't been him the US, Canada and the UK would still be one big happy family...

What would we do about cities like Columbus and Cleveland that are Blue, but are in a Red State????? Would they be able to join???? and if so, how????

Move.

bumpy

this idea is really bad. if you want a more lenient, fair, and low-tax government that wont wage war based on religion, work in your town to spread libertarianism. A libertarian government would be totally kick-ass.

this idea is really bad. if you want a more lenient, fair, and low-tax government that wont wage war based on religion, work in your town to spread libertarianism. A libertarian government would be totally kick-ass.

It's kind of already libertarian.... (I live in SF)

Then how come SF always votes for Dems?

Then how come SF always votes for Dems?

Rather than, whom, the Independent?

Ummm... the Libertarian candidates, perhaps?

Ummm... the Libertarian candidates, perhaps?

Because, they'll never win. It's a two-party country, so we vote for the closest thing, the dems.

EDIT: 700 post came on my own thread. Whoo!

Well the two parties have been different over the years, like the federalists and the whigs, and also, third parties are getting more and more momentum. Think Nader and Perot.

Sadly, a lot of that is actually true lol.
Its all true but it can be fixed. First we have to elect people who will admit that the problems exist in the first place. And right now, the dems are refusing to recognize these problems.

To the person claiming they are all made up:

The events I describes are just mere examples, but they are actual events that have taken place in California and are characteristic of Californian society.
Nothing has been stretched. If you live in California, you should be able to see these things for yourself, unless you are walking around with your eyes closed. Then again the Dems have a habit of walking with their eyes closed and noses in the air.
I have not gone into unfair previliges that unions get over nonunion members in terms of who gets government jobs.
I have not gone into the fact that before Swarzeneggar, the dems refused to admit that California had budget problems or even a power supply problem. Indeed it was the dems who were in bed with Enron to fraudulently bilk California energy consumers of billions of dollars.
Hell, there is a lot that I have not gone into.
The daily democratic response to a Republican bringing these failures of theirs up is: "He's a racist" or "He's a liar" or "He's a wealthy elitist, you can't believe him." The only main policy of the dems is to stay in power and like Eddie Gurreroe of the WWE they will lie, cheat and steal to keep it. Hell, from their history, the favorite tact of the California dems is to divide by race and class, then conquer and subjugate. I am very familiar with California Democratic Party strategic history.