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Recently, I heard an old hippie song on the radio, it was John Lennon's 'Imagine'. The piano sounded nice, until the bullsh*t lyrics rolled in. When that weak tune finished playing, I was relieved that it was over. I conclude that it's the Anthem of Defeatism.

Recently, I heard an old hippie song on the radio, it was John Lennon's 'Imagine'. The piano sounded nice, until the bullsh*t lyrics rolled in. When that weak tune finished playing, I was relieved that it was over. I conclude that it's the Anthem of Defeatism.

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one here that can't stand the insipid and banal piece of trite nonsense. Now, Working Class Hero, there is a song to pay attention to.

Recently, I heard an old hippie song on the radio, it was John Lennon's 'Imagine'. The piano sounded nice, until the bullsh*t lyrics rolled in. When that weak tune finished playing, I was relieved that it was over. I conclude that it's the Anthem of Defeatism.

I conclude that you're in no position to conclude anything. Or, rightly, that no one cares what you conclude.

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one here that can't stand the insipid and banal piece of trite nonsense. Now, Working Class Hero, there is a song to pay attention to.

Is that some Stalinist version of Lennon's crap? You know how I hate those goddamn communists.

Recently, I heard an old hippie song on the radio, it was John Lennon's 'Imagine'. The piano sounded nice, until the bullsh*t lyrics rolled in. When that weak tune finished playing, I was relieved that it was over. I conclude that it's the Anthem of Defeatism.
Yep, it was crap in the 70's and it still is. Lennon really needed McCartney more than he needed Ono to write good songs.

Yep, it was crap in the 70's and it still is. Lennon really needed McCartney more than he needed Ono to write good songs.

Woah! I'm not here to discuss the crappy Beatles pop. I hate that song because it's lyrics are against most thinks I stand for.

It is the Anthem of Defeatism!

I conclude that you're pretty stupid.

it's lyrics are against most thinks I stand for.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Here are the lyrics for those interested:
Imagine there’s no Heaven,
It’s easy if you try.
No Hell below us,
Above only sky,
Imagine all the people
Living for today…


Imagine there’s no countries,
It isn’t hard to do.
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace…


Imagine no possessions,
I wonder if you can.
No need for greed or hunger,
A Brotherhood of Man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world…


You may say I’m a dreamer,
But I’m not the only one.
I hope some day you’ll join us,
And the world will live as One.
Just so wrong and naive on so many levels.

Ya... "Imagine."

Pathetic isn't it? Which really does explain Fass's posts.

Woah! I'm not here to discuss the crappy Beatles pop. I hate that song because it's lyrics are against most thinks I stand for.

It is the Anthem of Defeatism!
I guess I should elaborate. Yoko Ono pushed Lennon into a lot of socialist crap. Without her, I think he would have produced songs that were more enjoyable to listen to. With her, he produced some lousy protest songs.

Here are the lyrics for those interested:

Compare and contrast with the lyrics to Working Class Hero

As soon as your born they make you feel small,
By giving you no time instead of it all,
Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
They hurt you at home and they hit you at school,
They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool,
Till you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
When they've tortured and scared you for twenty odd years,
Then they expect you to pick a career,
When you can't really function you're so full of fear,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV,
And you think you're so clever and classless and free,
But you're still fucking peasents as far as I can see,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
There's room at the top they are telling you still,
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
If you want to be like the folks on the hill,
A working class hero is something to be.
A working class hero is something to be.
If you want to be a hero well just follow me,
If you want to be a hero well just follow me.

I rest my case.



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Is that some Stalinist version of Lennon's crap? You know how I hate those goddamn communists.

Lennon and McCartney are the matters at hand, not Lenin and McCarthy.

Here are the lyrics for those interested:

Just so wrong and naive on so many levels.

*Snaps to attention and salutes in agreement.*

Recently, I heard an old hippie song on the radio, it was John Lennon's 'Imagine'. The piano sounded nice, until the bullsh*t lyrics rolled in. When that weak tune finished playing, I was relieved that it was over. I conclude that it's the Anthem of Defeatism.
Thank you, someone else realizes what a load of dope that song is!

Haha! All communist songs are weak. Even the Internationale sounds like a commie crying under torture!

Didn't someone make a version of "Imagine" using pieces of Bush's speeches?

Thank you, someone else realizes what a load of dope that song is!

That song is only one of many that helped to turn Western society into cesspool of rabid liberals.

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What the hell happened to traditional values?

Woah! I'm not here to discuss the crappy Beatles pop. I hate that song because it's lyrics are against most thinks I stand for.

It is the Anthem of Defeatism!


The song is basically the communist manifesto to music. Such a beautiful sounding song, and yet such a terrible song: its lyrics condemn: Christianity, Private property, national soveriegnty and more. As a Christian and an american, i hate how the song disdains many of the things i stand for.

Thank you, someone else realizes what a load of dope that song is!

If Saddam knew psywar and played that song, all the American troops would have laid down their arms and cried like a bunch of p*ssies! That's why I call it the Athem of Defeatism.

The song is basically the communist manifesto to music. Such a beautiful sounding song, and yet such a terrible song: its lyrics condemn: Christianity, Private property, national soveriegnty and more. As a Christian and an american, i hate how the song disdains many of the things i stand for.

Have a dim sum (White people hand out cookies).

I also hate the tune since it's more suitable for a funeral.

It's a wonderful peace of music, and has a great social and political message.

It's a wonderful peace of music, and has a great social and political message.

Is that your country's national anthem?

Is that some Stalinist version of Lennon's crap? You know how I hate those goddamn communists.


Fuck you too Sino!

The Internationale actually sounds good.

The Internationale actually sounds good.

Especially in German. I'm playing it during my Civilization 3 game!

Fuck you too Sino!

No thanks! I'm not gay.

Haha! All communist songs are weak. Even the Internationale sounds like a commie crying under torture!


Dude, I'm going to be such an asshole to you in all the other threads I see you in. Too bad I have to leave the computer lab now.

The Internationale actually sounds good.

What makes it sound uniquely good? The beatings or lashings?

No thanks! I'm not gay.


You will never be able to beat me in a discussion over communism. I am going to personally see that your ass gets handed to you in EVERY discussion I ever see you in. Consider yourself fucked.

Dude, I'm going to be such an asshole to you in all the other threads I see you in. Too bad I have to leave the computer lab now.

Not all capitalists are 'mods'. LOL!

You will never be able to beat me in a discussion over communism. I am going to personally see that your ass gets handed to you in EVERY discussion I ever see you in. Consider yourself fucked.

Wow! Communists really have nothing better to do...

Poor agitated red. And I agree: the song is drivel. As is much of the left-wing punk music these days. I don't care if something leans left-wing in its music, but I dont want to listen to hippie bullshit either.

Communists of the world UNITE!!!!








(So that we can knock you out with one H-bomb!)

Just so wrong and naive on so many levels.

Except for the first stanza, that's pretty accurate :p

Really, the only part I find amusing, is John Lennon sitting in his palace with his grand piano, and saying, "Imagine no posessions..."

Is that your country's national anthem?No it is not. It would be illogical for any nation to adopt it as a national anthem as it defends that there should be no countries.

What most people don't seem to understand is the context of this song. It was written in 1971. The world was a very diferent place.

What most people don't seem to understand is the context of this song. It was written in 1971. The world was a very diferent place.

Indeed, it was written at the time when America was mired waist deep in a war that it appeared impossible to win.

I'll be the first and last to defend oppression, but at the same time.. isn't at least a few of those things worth working for? Do we really want to settle into a pattern of 'keeping things the way the are'? Yes, it is a niave song but sometimes we have to aim for the impossible. We're never going to reach a socialist world.. nor do I want to support a communist world.. but damn. I don't want to give up and say 'this works so far.. LETS KEEP DOING IT!!' Stuffs going down, people are poor, needs are never met and we perpetuate a system of selfishness that attributes to escapism and depression. Which group has the highest suicide rate? Not the Amish. It's the Middle and Upper Class.

As I seen somewhere "For 1 Pound a day, you can cure an African child of blindness... OR YOU CAN BUY RING TONES!!! RINGY RINGY RING TONES!!!!!"

Indeed, it was written at the time when America was mired waist deep in a war that it appeared impossible to win.

hahahaa

hahahaaI fail to see what is so funny about Grampus comment.

Honestly, I think people take this song far too seriously. All it says is "Hey, wouldn't it be nice if people stopped oppressing and discriminating against each other, and tried to get along?" It doesn't try to suggest it's at all plausible.

Honestly, I think people take this song far too seriously. All it says is "Hey, wouldn't it be nice if people stopped oppressing and discriminating against each other, and tried to get along?" It doesn't try to suggest it's at all plausible.That's more or less what Lennon was feeling when he wrote. Not exactly... but it's more or less the general idea.

Wow - I had no idea today's generation was so jaded.

"Imagine" was on the charts in the 80's (I graduated in '84) and we saw it as a simple song of hope - a message that maybe someday, if we could all learn to put aside our differences, maybe we could have peace.

It condemns no one and I have no idea how you all arrived at that interpretation. Lennon wanted us to get along, he was a pacifist and he didn't use words as a weapon either. Perhaps you might listen to Elton John's "Empty Garden" to get an idea of how the general public felt at his loss and especially his manner of death.

It is certainly not a message of defeatism, quite the opposite, it was a reminder that if enough people imagine something for long enough, eventually they can make it real. Thank God the Wright brothers "imagined".

And please, listen to "Imagine" a few more times - your defeatist attitude is far gone, you seem to have already given up - and since you guys are going to be running this country in a couple decades, we can't afford that

Clarification:

when I wrote my first post, it was after reading only the first 2 pages of this thread.

Originally Posted by Jakutopia
Wow - I had no idea today's generation was so jaded.

"Imagine" was on the charts in the 80's (I graduated in '84) and we saw it as a simple song of hope - a message that maybe someday, if we could all learn to put aside our differences, maybe we could have peace.

It condemns no one and I have no idea how you all arrived at that interpretation. Lennon wanted us to get along, he was a pacifist and he didn't use words as a weapon either. Perhaps you might listen to Elton John's "Empty Garden" to get an idea of how the general public felt at his loss and especially his manner of death.

It is certainly not a message of defeatism, quite the opposite, it was a reminder that if enough people imagine something for long enough, eventually they can make it real. Thank God the Wright brothers "imagined".

And please, listen to "Imagine" a few more times - your defeatist attitude is far gone, you seem to have already given up - and since you guys are going to be running this country in a couple decades, we can't afford that

You're wasting your time talking to these little jerk-offs. Not only are they under the sad illusion that violence is "really cool, man", they also can't believe anyone older than them knows anything, nor grasp the concept that others have as much right to an opinion as they do. Have you noticed that they're incapable of a coherent arguement? You know what, kids? Life is not a game of GTA-SA, and music did exist before MTV. And not everyone is going to agree with you, and in the end you're really not that significant. Sorry to disillusion you. You can go back to your video games now, children. :rolleyes:

The song is basically the communist manifesto to music. Such a beautiful sounding song, and yet such a terrible song: its lyrics condemn: Christianity, Private property, national soveriegnty and more. As a Christian and an american, i hate how the song disdains many of the things i stand for.

Yeah, because Jesus was hella into private property, wasn't he?
"One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Another example of something Christians can't enjoy because it conflicts with their rules and "values." It just irritates me that people have to speak out against something that advocates peace and understanding.

What the hell happened to traditional values?

Yeah! Let's go back to slavery and women as property with no vote! Let's go back to policies of Empirialism against Native peoples! Let's go back to being able to have as many children with your slaves as you want with no accountability! Bring back Jim Crow! Bring back debtor's prison and indentured servitude!

Hurray!

Tradition!

God Bless America! *tear*

Yeah! Let's go back to slavery and women as property with no vote! Let's go back to policies of Empirialism against Native peoples! Let's go back to being able to have as many children with your slaves as you want with no accountability! Bring back Jim Crow! Bring back debtor's prison and indentured servitude!

Hurray!

Tradition!

God Bless America! *tear*

But that's what made America great! WASP FOREVER! :rolleyes:

Its just hippyshit, no thought in it, just the ravings of a drug addled brain.

Recently, I heard an old hippie song on the radio, it was John Lennon's 'Imagine'. The piano sounded nice, until the bullsh*t lyrics rolled in. When that weak tune finished playing, I was relieved that it was over. I conclude that it's the Anthem of Defeatism.
Fass is incorrect what you say is true that song is the song of the weak.

Its just hippyshit, no thought in it, just the ravings of a drug addled brain.
ah yes, the drugged up rantings of world peace and understanding of different cultures. Imagine a world of only liberals. No one to stand in the way of peace.

Originally Posted by Whitepowers
Its just hippyshit, no thought in it, just the ravings of a drug addled brain.
As opposed to all of the well thought out postings by all the Fasc--- I mean conservatives that come crawling out of the wood work on these boards. You're right. We can't compete with your towering intellect. We're all to "drug-addled". Peace -- what a crock of s**t! :rolleyes: :gundge:

BTW: LOVE the name you post under. *sarcasm*

But that's what made America great! WASP FOREVER! :rolleyes:

Yeah. I just have to laugh whenever someone mentions "traditional values". Looking at the US from 1776 to about 1970, human and civil rights didn't matter much unless you were a White Male(tm).

So, ok, maybe they mean "Biblical values". Fine. Which prophet to I get to be more like? Elisha, who had children killed for making fun of him? How about Solomon with his 500 concubines? Maybe I could be like Jesus - who supposedly never married or had kids, so marriage and kids can't be a Jesus value - and hang out with hookers and thugs, turning water into 40s?

Just about every prophet in the Bible had either several wives, bunches of concubines, hung out with prostitutes and thieves, drank excessively, diddled their own daughters, or slaughtered men as they saw fit.

Booyah!

Tradition!

Bring it back!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! *explodes*

Another example of something Christians can't enjoy because it conflicts with their rules and "values." It just irritates me that people have to speak out against something that advocates peace and understanding.
Ah yes because Christians are Anti-everything and anyone thats against something must be Christian or Fascist.-Nice Detective Work Sherlock! :rolleyes:
Get your Badge off the side of a Weeties Box?

ah yes, the drugged up rantings of world peace and understanding of different cultures. Imagine a world of only liberals. No one to stand in the way of peace.

Yes imagine it, then come back to reality.

As opposed to all of the well thought out postings by all the Fasc--- I mean conservatives that come crawling out of the wood work on these boards. You're right. We can't compete with your towering intellect. We're all to "drug-addled". Peace -- what a crock of s**t! :rolleyes: :gundge:

Harhar! Thanks, you made me laugh.
Your right but, peace is acrock, its only rests to build up beween wars mate, havent you realised that yet.

Yes imagine it, then come back to reality.
As opposed to God-world, or the faith-based reality that Bush and many evangelical Christians are in?

Tell me, why are you against peace, love and understanding?

As opposed to God-world, or the faith-based reality that Bush and many evangelical Christians are in?

Tell me, why are you against peace, love and understanding?
Please They are so 1969!

Recently, I heard an old hippie song on the radio, it was John Lennon's 'Imagine'. The piano sounded nice, until the bullsh*t lyrics rolled in. When that weak tune finished playing, I was relieved that it was over. I conclude that it's the Anthem of Defeatism.

Man, I always get a good laugh out of your posts!

I happen to like it, but Husker Du's These Important Years is better.

Please They are so 1969!
Oh, so it's the era of endless warmongering! Now you tell me! :)
*grabs M-60, and ammo boxes*
*runs outside*

Please They are so 1969!
Oh, I get it. Ideas that were popular 36 years ago are so ancient that they can never be good again.

Harhar! Thanks, you made me laugh.
Your right but, peace is acrock, its only rests to build up beween wars mate, havent you realised that yet.

Thank you for proving my point. You're exactly what I was referring to in my earlier post. A waste.

Yeah, Imagine is a good song. Glad to see the right-wing nutso's have vindicated my enjoyment of the song.

Still, I'm more a fan of louder, angrier left-wing music. If the radical righties really want a reason to be offended I suggest Bad Religion or the Dead Kennedies.

Yeah, Imagine is a good song. Glad to see the right-wing nutso's have vindicated my enjoyment of the song.

NB: Some of us disparaging the song are technically left-wing nutso's.

Yeah! Let's go back to slavery and women as property with no vote! Let's go back to policies of Empirialism against Native peoples! Let's go back to being able to have as many children with your slaves as you want with no accountability! Bring back Jim Crow! Bring back debtor's prison and indentured servitude!

Hurray!

Tradition!

God Bless America! *tear*

And don't forget The Chinese Exclusion Act of 1881! I'm sure that would make Sino happy. (And no, I didn't mean that sarcastically. From some of his postings, it may well make him happy. :eek:)

I'm a Christian and capitalist, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy the song. Sure, I don't agree with what Lennon saw as necessary to achieve peace/harmony, but I have no doubt that those were the things he wanted when he wrote the song, and for that I commend him. Communists are not evil. They're wrong, in my opinion, but certainly not evil.

Recently, I heard an old hippie song on the radio, it was John Lennon's 'Imagine'. The piano sounded nice, until the bullsh*t lyrics rolled in. When that weak tune finished playing, I was relieved that it was over. I conclude that it's the Anthem of Defeatism.

I prefer to call it the "Anthem of Group-Think"
Oh, yes, and religion/international tensions are the only things people ever killed anyone for, which is why technically atheist communist governments never killed millions of thier own citizens. :rolleyes:

Yah, it sure is naive. Can you really imagine all the world living in peace, not wanting material possessions and all that crap. Talk about foolish thoughts and wants. God, who'd want a world like that?????????????

God, who'd want a world like that?????????????
These guys (http://www.2000ad.org/frazer/zombies_underground.jpg)

Something tells me that if these guys actually won, they'd create a society very similar to what John Lennon sought.

These guys (http://www.2000ad.org/frazer/zombies_underground.jpg)

Something tells me that if these guys actually won, they'd create a society very similar to what John Lennon sought.
Something tells me that if Bush has "unlimited" powers we'd have a society that looks like this (http://www.fmft.net/archives/mosley/mosley5.gif).

Something tells me that if Bush has "unlimited" powers we'd have a society that looks like this (http://www.fmft.net/archives/mosley/mosley5.gif).
Commie Zombies can so kick ass against silly little Nazis. :p

Something tells me that if Bush has "unlimited" powers we'd have a society that looks like this (http://www.fmft.net/archives/mosley/mosley5.gif).

Hmm... If it's all capitalistic, nationalistic but without racism or liberalism, then I guess it would be fairly productive.

Commie Zombies can so kick ass against silly little Nazis. :p
That's why Lennon's world is so much better than Bush's! :D

Something tells me that if Bush has "unlimited" powers we'd have a society that looks like this (http://www.fmft.net/archives/mosley/mosley5.gif).

Please, that looks so half-assed. If we Republicans were going to turn the US into a Nazi state, we'd do it right, by jingo! Our corporate sponsors wouldn't have it any other way, because they want bang for their buck.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/gramnonia/Nuremberg.jpg

Commie Zombies can so kick ass against silly little Nazis. :p

Cannibalism do occur during cases of widespread famine in communist countries, like the former USSR and North Korea. LOL! How human is that?

If any of you have played RTCW, it would the Nazis that ressurected the zombies, so I don't think that's the case.

Please, that looks so half-assed. If we Republicans were going to turn the US into a Nazi state, we'd do it right, by jingo! Our corporate sponsors wouldn't have it any other way, because they want bang for their buck.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/gramnonia/Nuremberg.jpg
well, I just image googled "nazi" and picked the first best one. Sorry for not doing thorough research! :D

Please, that looks so half-assed. If we Republicans were going to turn the US into a Nazi state, we'd do it right, by jingo! Our corporate sponsors wouldn't have it any other way, because they want bang for their buck.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a35/gramnonia/Nuremberg.jpg

I'm sick of all the liberals and communists ranting about how Bush is a Nazis. If Bush is a Nazis, then what was Hitler? Nazi-fascist to the power of 100?

Hey Sino, why don't we add one more verse to Imagine? Let me start it off

Imagine no more hippies
It's easy if you try

As opposed to God-world, or the faith-based reality that Bush and many evangelical Christians are in?
Tell me, why are you against peace, love and understanding?

Im not.
You get love when you love people, peace is what happens when your dead, that is my understanding.
When I see my enemy come towards me with a pointed sword, I will draw my own. Peace love and understanding are of no use here, except as earned afterwards by the victor.

I'm sick of all the liberals and communists ranting about how Bush is a Nazis. If Bush is a Nazis, then what was Hitler? Nazi-fascist to the power of 100?

Yeah, I'm more than tired of it myself. I just thought I'd repay Achtung with a little sarcasm.

Hey Sino, why don't we add one more verse to Imagine? Let me start it off

Imagine no more hippies
It's easy if you try

I'd write my own version if I have time, right now I'm dealing with hexadecimals. Don't worry, when Sino's all free, his mind shall come up with something to blast all those hippie cocksuckers back to the '60s.

Im not.
You get love when you love people, peace is what happens when your dead, that is my understanding.
When I see my enemy come towards me with a pointed sword, I will draw my own. Peace love and understanding are of no use here, except as earned afterwards by the victor.
lol haha! the only life I know I'll live is this one. If I get bad karma for the next one, I'll know then. I'm not gonna live this life under strict rules so I can have a good possible afterlife. Sorry!

well, I just image googled "nazi" and picked the first best one. Sorry for not doing thorough research! :D

Heh, I did the job right and googled Nuremberg. :p

Yeah, I'm more than tired of it myself. I just thought I'd repay the guy with a little sarcasm.

It makes no f*ckin' sense. The whole world knows that Bush is a wanker but he's not that much of a wanker compared to Hitler. The closest Bush has to harboring anti-Semitic views and doing a half-assed effort to tell the Israelis to withdraw from occupied Palestinian lands.

Heh, I did the job right and googled Nuremberg. :p
I'll note it down for next time!

Heh, I did the job right and googled Nuremberg. :p

Nuremberg rallies kick ass, no matter how you look at it. Setting a good atmosphere is what the Nazis did best, while Bush produces boring speeches with tiring drawl and has problems with grammar.

If there's a speech competition between Hitler, Martin Luther King and Bush, Bush would come dead last, followed by a narrow victory for Hitler.

Cannibalism do occur during cases of widespread famine in communist countries, like the former USSR and North Korea. LOL! How human is that?

Now, you know that's kind of funny, just the other week I was reading the Narrative of the Most Extraordinary and Distressing Shipwreck of the Whale-Ship Essex, a true journal which describes a case of Americans partaking of the flesh of their brethern. Heck, never mind that Jamestown only survived the winters through cannibalism. Seems like 'human' crops up on both sides of the ideological spectrum.

Whatever you hippies, klanners, warhogs and wingnuts think, the TRUE Communist anthem is Leningrad Cowboys' vesion of "Let's Work Together".

Now, you know that's kind of funny, just the other week I was reading the Narrative of the Most Extraordinary and Distressing Shipwreck of the Whale-Ship Essex, a true journal which describes a case of Americans partaking of the flesh of their brethern. Heck, never mind that Jamestown only survived the winters through cannibalism. Seems like 'human' crops up on both sides of the ideological spectrum.

Jamestown was a case of crop failures driven by nature and backward (compared to today's) farming techniques, communist famines were driven by the insanity of a planned economy, despite showing endless tractors on newsreels.

Whatever you hippies, klanners, warhogs and wingnuts think, the TRUE Communist anthem is Leningrad Cowboys' vesion of "Let's Work Together".

The true anthem of communism is the scream of an intellectual getting his nuts electricuted at the same time watching his wife being raped, all occuring in the dungeons of the KGB HQ.

lol haha! the only life I know I'll live is this one. If I get bad karma for the next one, I'll know then. I'm not gonna live this life under strict rules so I can have a good possible afterlife. Sorry!

Know you wont, you will have a rotten life for your indulgent excesses in this one, you will probably come back as a famine victim, the first person you will see is your immancipated half dead mother as she trys to wring out a drop of milk into your starving mouth from her dryed out husk of a tit.
You will die choking in the dust as your half formed skull is ground under foot, and never even remember this enriched life.
Change your cowardly ways and avoid this now, become a warrior and meet me in Valhalla where we will repeatedly cleft each others skulls with our axes between repeatedly coming back to life, and wench and drink!

Jamestown was a case of crop failures driven by nature and backward (compared to today's) farming techniques, communist famines were driven by the insanity of a planned economy, despite showing endless tractors on newsreels.

Ah, so communist countries don't experience crop failures driven by nature then. Hmmm. God must be watching over and guiding them then.

The true anthem of communism is the scream of an intellectual getting his nuts electricuted at the same time watching his wife being raped, all occuring in the dungeons of the KGB HQ.

Wow, sounds like you were there. How else would you know, eh?

I'll note it down for next time!

Good man! Actually, I'm not sure I'll appreciate a more formidable adversary the next time I'm debating on here... but you have my compliments regardless

lol haha! the only life I know I'll live is this one. If I get bad karma for the next one, I'll know then. I'm not gonna live this life under strict rules so I can have a good possible afterlife. Sorry!

I think you misread what Whitepowers said. Even if you're right and we only get this life to live, we still need to be watchful and ready to defend ourselves. It seemed to me that Whitepowers was basically saying "Being soft gets you nothing but an early grave."

Change your cowardly ways and avoid this now, become a warrior and meet me in Valhalla where we will repeatedly cleft each others skulls with our axes between repeatedly coming back to life, and wench and drink!

Is homoerotic activity as the pair of you penetrate each others' bodies time and time again with your 'axes' whilst lost in a drug fuelled haze really the only way out of Achtung 45's supposed problem?

...the first person you will see is your immancipated half dead mother as she trys to wring out a drop of milk into your starving mouth from her dryed out husk of a tit.

'immancipated'? Is this some bizarre combiation of being given freedom whilst simultaneously being underweight that I have somehow managed to never come across before?

The Mikes Hope Essence of Mikeswill has had John Lennon's song "Imagine" as its National Anthem since our inception. Interesting that some take so much offense to the lyrics. As a pacifist and UN Delegate with around 157 Endorsements and 401 Nations in my Region I now present you with the lyrics:

Imagine

Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...

Imagine there's no countries,
It isn’t hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...

Imagine no possessions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I’m a dreamer,
but I’m not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.

John Lennon

And if you don't like it, its ok. Come to my Nation and get some of my currency.

Peace Kiddies

PS: You will LOVE My Flag

Mikeswill
(NationStates Hippie)

The Mikes Hope Essence of Mikeswill has had John Lennon's song "Imagine" as its National Anthem since our inception. Interesting that some take so much offense to the lyrics. As a pacifist and UN Delegate with around 157 Endorsements and 401 Nations in my Region I now present you with the lyrics:

Imagine

Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...

Imagine there's no countries,
It isn’t hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...

Imagine no possessions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I’m a dreamer,
but I’m not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.

John Lennon

And if you don't like it, its ok. Come to my Nation and get some of my currency.

Peace Kiddies

PS: You will LOVE My Flag

Mikeswill
(NationStates Hippie)

Awwwwwwwwwwwww - see? - it's sweet and beautiful and flowers will bloom everywhere you step when you sing it. Far right neo-con conservatives just hate it when people are nice to each other. It's kill, maim, steal, brainwash, and rule forever with an iron fist of vengence or NOTHING!

I think you misread what Whitepowers said. Even if you're right and we only get this life to live, we still need to be watchful and ready to defend ourselves. It seemed to me that Whitepowers was basically saying "Being soft gets you nothing but an early grave."

Or people you care about, one.

50 Years & Still Hot!
--------------------------

An old couple is having breakfast when the old woman says to her husband, "Just think, honey, we've been married for 50 years?"

"Yes," he replies. "Fifty years ago we were sitting here at this breakfast table together. And we were probably naked as jaybirds."

"Well," the old woman giggles, "should we get naked again for old time's sake?"

So they strip off their clothing and sit back down at the table. "You know," the old woman says breathlessly, "my nipples are as hot for you today as they were 50 years ago."

"I'm not surprised," replies the old man. "One's in your coffee and the other's in your oatmeal!"

The Mikes Hope Essence of Mikeswill has had John Lennon's song "Imagine" as its National Anthem since our inception. Interesting that some take so much offense to the lyrics. As a pacifist and UN Delegate with around 157 Endorsements and 401 Nations in my Region I now present you with the lyrics:
Imagine
Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...
Imagine there's no countries,
It isn’t hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...
Imagine no possessions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...
You may say I’m a dreamer,
but I’m not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.
John Lennon
And if you don't like it, its ok. Come to my Nation and get some of my currency.
Peace Kiddies
PS: You will LOVE My Flag
Mikeswill
(NationStates Hippie)
The only good hippie is the ones that bounce off my cars bullbar, with lit cigars shoved up their arses, so stick your druggie fake peace.

Wow, it must be pretty late in the night if I'm not up for a good argument. But, is it really not just a difference of oppinion? You say its black, someone else calls it white. You say tomatoe, I say tomato...
Maybe I'm just a simpleton, but, I think the song was really more about do we believe strongly enough in our convictions (whatever they might be) to examine another point of view, still believe what we believe in, and have respect for other points of view.

'immancipated'? Is this some bizarre combiation of being given freedom whilst simultaneously being underweight that I have somehow managed to never come across before?

emancipated dammit.

Recently, I heard an old hippie song on the radio, it was John Lennon's 'Imagine'. The piano sounded nice, until the bullsh*t lyrics rolled in. When that weak tune finished playing, I was relieved that it was over. I conclude that it's the Anthem of Defeatism.


My favorite hippie song is Rockin in the free world by neil young. You know it, it was one of the songs in Fahreinhiet 9/11.

Yay, what a time to make a first post...

I can't quite see what is "naive, defeatist, and evil" about this song. Now, I'm not a huge John Lennon fan (I'm a Metallica man myself), but I have heard the song and, I have to admit I rather liked it. Here are the problems I find with your problems with Imagine (wow, there's something wrong with that sentence, no?)

Is it naive? Hardly so, fellow nation-runners. There is nothing naive in pointing out what is, if not a necessarily realistic existence, one that I think most people would like a part of. When Lennon says "Imagine there's no country" he's not being an anarchist (though some may argue that way, I don't believe that to be the case), he is asking us to consider, would I act the same way and take the same stances if I didn't have the sometimes blinding rag of patriotism over your face? Would you support the death of thousands of soldiers in a war for CNN...er, King and Country if there WAS no country?

And when you get right down to it (yes, I know I'm taking the whole point of the NationStates game and thumbing my nose at it) a country is an illusion, it is an artifice. It is a very intricate one, and one that I'm glad exists, but what do a Frenchman, a Sino, an Australian aboriginal, and an American all have in common? They are human beings. Making the distinction that people are different because of what country they happened to be born in is the mental crime commited by Osama bin Laden when he preaches anti-American or anti-Western messages through his little VHS newsflashes. There are times you have to step back and remember that "those" people are your people, too. THAT, my friends, is what John Lennon is more likely trying to say.

When he askes you to imagine there is no heaven, here is what I think he is asking: would you still strive to be a good person even if there was no pearly gate-covered reward for you afterward? Would you still help people when they needed it, give money to charities, and work to better yourself if the reason you were doing it, getting a good seat in heaven, wasn't there? This song is one giant thought experiment that I think some people may misinterpret as John Lennon saying "this is how it is." It isn't a declaration, but a question. In fact, he never says "there is no heaven, there is no country," but he says "Imagine these things aren't there."

I'm sorry if you don't like the song. I for one and a heathen to most Beatles/Lennon fans, because I liked the Perfect Circle cover better than the origina :rolleyes: , but the song and the meaning behind it are the same no matter who's singing and who's backing up the piano.

Okay guys, :fluffle: and make up.

Is homoerotic activity as the pair of you penetrate each others' bodies time and time again with your 'axes' whilst lost in a drug fuelled haze really the only way out of Achtung 45's supposed problem?
Yep.

<snip>
Excellent first post! Very well thought out and you approach it with reason and logical thinking to back up your case, but you'll soon find on here that that has no effect on some people. I'll look forward to seeing you post more on these forums...I see you joined the same month as me, yet you are just now on the forum! Well, welcome anyway!

That's one good first post. Welcome.
Yay, what a time to make a first post...

I can't quite see what is "naive, defeatist, and evil" about this song. Now, I'm not a huge John Lennon fan (I'm a Metallica man myself), but I have heard the song and, I have to admit I rather liked it. Here are the problems I find with your problems with Imagine (wow, there's something wrong with that sentence, no?)

Is it naive? Hardly so, fellow nation-runners. There is nothing naive in pointing out what is, if not a necessarily realistic existence, one that I think most people would like a part of. When Lennon says "Imagine there's no country" he's not being an anarchist (though some may argue that way, I don't believe that to be the case), he is asking us to consider, would I act the same way and take the same stances if I didn't have the sometimes blinding rag of patriotism over your face? Would you support the death of thousands of soldiers in a war for CNN...er, King and Country if there WAS no country?

And when you get right down to it (yes, I know I'm taking the whole point of the NationStates game and thumbing my nose at it) a country is an illusion, it is an artifice. It is a very intricate one, and one that I'm glad exists, but what do a Frenchman, a Sino, an Australian aboriginal, and an American all have in common? They are human beings. Making the distinction that people are different because of what country they happened to be born in is the mental crime commited by Osama bin Laden when he preaches anti-American or anti-Western messages through his little VHS newsflashes. There are times you have to step back and remember that "those" people are your people, too. THAT, my friends, is what John Lennon is more likely trying to say.

When he askes you to imagine there is no heaven, here is what I think he is asking: would you still strive to be a good person even if there was no pearly gate-covered reward for you afterward? Would you still help people when they needed it, give money to charities, and work to better yourself if the reason you were doing it, getting a good seat in heaven, wasn't there? This song is one giant thought experiment that I think some people may misinterpret as John Lennon saying "this is how it is." It isn't a declaration, but a question. In fact, he never says "there is no heaven, there is no country," but he says "Imagine these things aren't there."

I'm sorry if you don't like the song. I for one and a heathen to most Beatles/Lennon fans, because I liked the Perfect Circle cover better than the origina :rolleyes: , but the song and the meaning behind it are the same no matter who's singing and who's backing up the piano.

Okay guys, :fluffle: and make up.

My favorite hippie song is Rockin in the free world by neil young. You know it, it was one of the songs in Fahreinhiet 9/11.
That's one of my favorite Neil Young songs. Behind Down by the River. Also, his live cover of Blowin in the Wind is awesome! Anyway, I liked how Cocaine was played while the part about Bush skipping out on his National Guard duty was shown! I know this will probably draw a lot of anti-Fahrenheit 9/11 fire and probably hijack the thread (or move it back on topic after my "hijack" :D ) but I'm still posting it anyway.

EDIT: wow it's been a long night! Forgot which thread I'm in! I was thinking of the Michael Moore thread, but whatever, lol! How did this go from "Imagine" to Fahrenheit 9/11? Sheesh, maybe I need some sleep!

yeah welcome Texas renewed... nice to have a mind of your caliber 'round these parts.

Ha, I enjoyed that part as well. It was good for that movie to have some comic relief in places, like when Michael Moore commandeered the ice cream truck and read the patriot act. Isn't that kind of dangerous, to drive and read? Yah, that movie was so intense that it needed little parts to lighten the mood even just a little.
That's one of my favorite Neil Young songs. Behind Down by the River. Also, his live cover of Blowin in the Wind is awesome! Anyway, I liked how Cocaine was played while the part about Bush skipping out on his National Guard duty was shown! I know this will probably draw a lot of anti-Fahrenheit 9/11 fire and probably hijack the thread (or move it back on topic after my "hijack" :D ) but I'm still posting it anyway.

Ha, I enjoyed that part as well. It was good for that movie to have some comic relief in places, like when Michael Moore commandeered the ice cream truck and read the patriot act. Isn't that kind of dangerous, to drive and read? Yah, that movie was so intense that it needed little parts to lighten the mood even just a little.
Did you know that Bush's nickname for Vladimire Putin is "Pootie-Poot"? Well, it is. Just like how he calls Karl Rove "Turd Blossom." I wish I was making this up, but I'm not.

Ewww... I'm sorry I'm even going to bring this up, but can you imagine what he says in the bedroom?
Did you know that Bush's nickname for Vladimire Putin is "Pootie-Poot"? Well, it is. Just like how he calls Karl Rove "Turd Blossom." I wish I was making this up, but I'm not.

What the Hell did I miss tonight - ?

That's a great first post from Texas Renewed, by the way.

As for the rest of you, what crawled up your ductwork this evening? I've never, in my entire life, hear so many people ripping John Lennon's head off to shit down his throat. For shame.

John might have been all manner of things, but he was tough, through and through. His work will stand longer, and be far more memorable, than any of the mealy-mouthed slagging coming from the knuckle-walking segment of this online community tonight. And tougher.

Maybe I didn't miss so much after all.

Pillocks.

The only good hippie is the ones that bounce off my cars bullbar, with lit cigars shoved up their arses, so stick your druggie fake peace.


Ignorance is a disease most notable when one's arse does the speaking. But tis ok as we need the ignorant to help us practice tolerance. Assumptions are likeswise proof of ignorance. As a Nation in Spiritual Recovery it has been over two and a half years since any drugs have entered my body to include the alcohol of my youth. As a humble spiritual being existing in the body of a 46 year old hippie I wager that my previous career surpasses the yapping of my new found ignorant foe. However, it is with the 28+ years of indulgent experiences that has lent me well to the service of those whom seek recovery from addictions. Alas, I can assists no one whose arse speaks but I do know a proctologist. (Dr. Bob)

And in conclusion, though Imagine may be my Nations Anthem, Stairway to Heaven is my favorite song/ (More fodder for the Metamusel seeking speakers).

Good day and Peace out

Kisses

Mikey

Um, the Pootie-poot sounds kinda paternal, sweet- when it doesn't sound demeaning. Turd Blossom? How'd he come up with that? Although, I like it, the only Bushism I'll add to my vocabulary. ;)

I'm gunna stick my tallywhacker in your pootie poot

Ah, so communist countries don't experience crop failures driven by nature then. Hmmm. God must be watching over and guiding them then.

Even communists who opposed Mao declared that it was three parts nature and seven parts bureaucratic and policy failure.

With Stalin's de-kulakization, the best farmers were shot for owning more property than allowed and refused to collectivize, with the expertise gone, areas like the Ukraine experienced dreaded famines (to make matters worse, Stalin manipulated the relief effort so that separatists can starve to death).

Yep.

Kewl.

its too bad peace is one of the things you're against

Imagine all the people
Living life in peace…

Um, should I be turned on? Just kidding... I think... :confused:
I'm gunna stick my tallywhacker in your pootie poot

Awwwwwwwwwwwww - see? - it's sweet and beautiful and flowers will bloom everywhere you step when you sing it. Far right neo-con conservatives just hate it when people are nice to each other. It's kill, maim, steal, brainwash, and rule forever with an iron fist of vengence or NOTHING!

Far right neo-cons? I think it's the case of all people. Sweet and beautiful? If you are only capable of standing and looking at little flowers, you might as well just starve to death. In all societies, as well as nature, life is struggle to survive and excel. If there is no struggle to live and fight for, then one is spiritually (not in a religious context) dead.

A-ha! Another great first post! Kudos! :)

its too bad peace is one of the things you're against

Imagine all the people
Living life in peace…

its too bad peace is one of the things you're against

Imagine all the people
Living life in peace…

Peace is only the temporary calm before the storm. Only a strong military deterrence can prolong it.

Far right neo-cons? I think it's the case of all people. Sweet and beautiful? If you are only capable of standing and looking at little flowers, you might as well just starve to death. In all societies, as well as nature, life is struggle to survive and excel. If there is no struggle to live and fight for, then one is spiritually (not in a religious context) dead.

yay I found the expert guru on spirituality.

yes thats all I'm capable of (wow, how'd you figure that out from what I posted? amazing!) I'm actually having someone else type this for me - they also go to work for me and cook for me and pay for my house for me and all teh stuff that i dont do everyday.

please explain more of lifes secrets to me oh great and powerful mind that sees what noone else can

Now someone is seeing the glass half empty, hmm?
Peace is only the temporary calm before the storm. Only a strong military deterrence can prolong it.

Um, should I be turned on? Just kidding... I think... :confused:


hah - yes you shoudl cuz Im hot

i was tryign to be Bush in teh bedroom. I figured he would use a word like tallywacker

The only good hippie is the ones that bounce off my cars bullbar, with lit cigars shoved up their arses, so stick your druggie fake peace.

Hippies should be held responsible for destroying Western society and promoting drug abuse. Everyday, the decay of values and morals continue. If our generation legalizes gay marriage, our children generation shall accept people marrying animals.

Now if during the Cold War the USSR attacked a Western country and occupied some of it's land, Hippies would be perfect candidates for leading the puppet government, since they promote the same fake love as peace as the communists. They're also useful as they can be manipulated by the drugs available from their Soviet masters.

Now someone is seeing the glass half empty, hmm?

I see my glass half full, but vigilance is the price of nationhood.

in deed he most likely would!
hah - yes you shoudl cuz Im hot

i was tryign to be Bush in teh bedroom. I figured he would use a word like tallywacker

Yay, what a time to make a first post...

I can't quite see what is "naive, defeatist, and evil" about this song. Now, I'm not a huge John Lennon fan (I'm a Metallica man myself), but I have heard the song and, I have to admit I rather liked it. Here are the problems I find with your problems with Imagine (wow, there's something wrong with that sentence, no?)

Is it naive? Hardly so, fellow nation-runners. There is nothing naive in pointing out what is, if not a necessarily realistic existence, one that I think most people would like a part of. When Lennon says "Imagine there's no country" he's not being an anarchist (though some may argue that way, I don't believe that to be the case), he is asking us to consider, would I act the same way and take the same stances if I didn't have the sometimes blinding rag of patriotism over your face? Would you support the death of thousands of soldiers in a war for CNN...er, King and Country if there WAS no country?

And when you get right down to it (yes, I know I'm taking the whole point of the NationStates game and thumbing my nose at it) a country is an illusion, it is an artifice. It is a very intricate one, and one that I'm glad exists, but what do a Frenchman, a Sino, an Australian aboriginal, and an American all have in common? They are human beings. Making the distinction that people are different because of what country they happened to be born in is the mental crime commited by Osama bin Laden when he preaches anti-American or anti-Western messages through his little VHS newsflashes. There are times you have to step back and remember that "those" people are your people, too. THAT, my friends, is what John Lennon is more likely trying to say.

When he askes you to imagine there is no heaven, here is what I think he is asking: would you still strive to be a good person even if there was no pearly gate-covered reward for you afterward? Would you still help people when they needed it, give money to charities, and work to better yourself if the reason you were doing it, getting a good seat in heaven, wasn't there? This song is one giant thought experiment that I think some people may misinterpret as John Lennon saying "this is how it is." It isn't a declaration, but a question. In fact, he never says "there is no heaven, there is no country," but he says "Imagine these things aren't there."

I'm sorry if you don't like the song. I for one and a heathen to most Beatles/Lennon fans, because I liked the Perfect Circle cover better than the origina :rolleyes: , but the song and the meaning behind it are the same no matter who's singing and who's backing up the piano.

Okay guys, :fluffle: and make up.



Excellent post, Texas Renewed! I was going to post something similar, but not written as well.



I myself am firmly and completely anti-communist and very, very pro-Capitalist, however I do like this song and believe that Texas Renewed hit all the points head on. I agree that Lennon is only trying to make us think; that is why the song is titled Imagine.
It is describing a world where we would have nothing to fight for; where borders and other boundaries would not separate anyone.
It is describing a world without poverty and hunger.
It is describing a world without greed.
And, of course, it is describing a world that just would never quite exist. Let's face it--people are never going to give up all of their possessions. I know I wouldn't; as I said, I am quite the capitalist and making money is something I like to do.

However, it is nice to just Imagine a world like that every now and then to remind us not to go too far and that there are those less-fortunate than us out there.
Imagine.


-Robinson from Risban

Wouldn't he title Pvt. Bush as the 'First Penis'? LOL!

Far right neo-cons? I think it's the case of all people.
Then you think wrong. 'cause you sure as Hell don't have any insights into my thought processes, you jaded cynic.
Sweet and beautiful? If you are only capable of standing and looking at little flowers, you might as well just starve to death.
A life surrounded by nabobs of negativity such as yourself makes the prospect of self-induced starvation seem blissful by comparison.
In all societies, as well as nature, life is struggle to survive and excel. If there is no struggle to live and fight for, then one is spiritually (not in a religious context) dead.
Hence your combatitive posturing on NationStates. If life, for you, is unmitigated conflict, then so shall it be for all others, eh? Well, why not? After all, you've already lain claim to knowing about the motivations of 'all people' - and you've apparently concluded that we're all like you.

Except we couldn't all be like you for you to be able to sustain your need for never-ending conflict, now could we? Seems to me you need us to keep you from thinking yourself into morbid little circles. The least you could do is to be a bit more pleasant about it.

Either that, or just go work off your boundless rage at a gym or something.

Good to know, everyone loves an optimist, except for those who aren't optimists, and find the perpetually peppy extremely annoying. Smile please. ;)
I see my glass half full, but vigilance is the price of nationhood.

Hehehehe, see, lighthearted humor in the midst of debate, ahhh, a wonderful thing!
Wouldn't he title Pvt. Bush as the 'First Penis'? LOL!

Then you think wrong. 'cause you sure as Hell don't have any insights into my thought processes, you jaded cynic.

A life surrounded by nabobs of negativity such as yourself makes the prospect of self-induced starvation seem blissful by comparison.

Hence your combatitive posturing on NationStates. If life, for you, is unmitigated conflict, then so shall it be for all others, eh? Well, why not? After all, you've already lain claim to knowing about the motivations of 'all people' - and you've apparently concluded that we're all like you.

Except we couldn't all be like you for you to be able to sustain your need for never-ending conflict, now could we? Seems to me you need us to keep you from thinking yourself into morbid little circles. The least you could do is to be a bit more pleasant about it.

Either that, or just go work off your boundless rage at a gym or something.

I admire your ability to calmly and rationally explain things to those who I feel are incabable of rational thought and just like to poke at. :fluffle:

You make excellent points though... I would have said something similar had I thought that Sino could understand.

Good to know, everyone loves an optimist, except for those who aren't optimists, and find the perpetually peppy extremely annoying. Smile please. ;)

I am optimistic, but even an optimist gets pissed off. Why are you so happy? Are you drug f*cked like the hippies?

Smile? I hardly smile, unless I'm telling a joke. Most of the time, my face mirrors that of the serious Chinese soldier in Tiananmen Square, but when I smile, I can get away with murder.

Hehehehe, see, lighthearted humor in the midst of debate, ahhh, a wonderful thing!

There's plenty more where that came from, son. I'm very witty for a Yellow man.

Good God! Remind me never to enter the ring with you! Geesh!
Then you think wrong. 'cause you sure as Hell don't have any insights into my thought processes, you jaded cynic.

A life surrounded by nabobs of negativity such as yourself makes the prospect of self-induced starvation seem blissful by comparison.

Hence your combatitive posturing on NationStates. If life, for you, is unmitigated conflict, then so shall it be for all others, eh? Well, why not? After all, you've already lain claim to knowing about the motivations of 'all people' - and you've apparently concluded that we're all like you.

Except we couldn't all be like you for you to be able to sustain your need for never-ending conflict, now could we? Seems to me you need us to keep you from thinking yourself into morbid little circles. The least you could do is to be a bit more pleasant about it.

Either that, or just go work off your boundless rage at a gym or something.

I've never done drugs, well, any illegal ones anyhow! I'm high on life- er lack of sleep! And that's daughter, just so you know... although you sound nothing like my biological father.... oh God, its true! I AM adopted, ahhhhh! :eek:
There's plenty more where that came from, son. I'm very witty for a Yellow man.

Either that, or just go work off your boundless rage at a gym or something.

Maybe I should buy an NDM-86 (http://www.dragunov.net/ndm86.htm) and hunt hippies for a living!

*Sino walking up to the forestry officer, rifle in hand, trophies in the rucksack.*

"I shot four hippies today, sir. What's did say was for the price of one? I helping to clear out a national pest, ya know."

I don't like the song, don't like the lyrics... apart from that, I don't think I have much else to say... :D

I AM adopted, ahhhhh! :eek:

Maybe your parents were hippies and you were conceived in an orgy of drug-induced 'free love'. I hope you weren't born a bastard.

Maybe I should buy an [url=http://www.dragunov.net/ndm86.htm]NDM-86[/ulr] and hunt hippies for a living!

*Sino walking up to the forestry officer, rifle in hand trophies in the rucksack.*

"I shot four hippies today, sir. What's did say was for the price of one? I helping to clear out a national pest, ya know."

You sound like the one who is spiritually dead. *pity*
:(

You know, I was starting to like you, and then you had to go and be mean. :mad:
Maybe your parents were hippies and you were conceived in an orgy of drug-induced 'free love'. I hope you weren't born a bastard.

You sound like the one who is spiritually dead. *pity*
:(

No, mister. My struggle would be against the national pest that shove their dicks into the holes of trees in what they call "tree hugging".

Maybe I should buy an NDM-86 (http://www.dragunov.net/ndm86.htm) and hunt hippies for a living!

*Sino walking up to the forestry officer, rifle in hand trophies in the rucksack.*

"I shot four hippies today, sir. What's did say was for the price of one? I helping to clear out a national pest, ya know."

Pathetic. And as unfunny as the usual pedantic right-wing drivel I've come to expect from some of the less-accomplished wits that parade their lack-of-talent for all to experience.

Unfortunately.

You know, I was starting to like you, and then you had to go and be mean. :mad:

Where your light heart in that comment? People tell me to relax all the time and I joke with them. Looks like it's impossible to tell the difference between ass and elbow when it comes to online sarcasm.

No, mister. My struggle would be against the national pest that shove their dicks into the holes of trees in what they call "tree hugging".

I'm impressed by your ability to spell 'dicks' without typos.

Where your light heart in that comment? People tell me to relax all the time and I joke with them. Looks like it's impossible to tell the difference between ass and elbow when it comes to online sarcasm.

But it is possible to tell an ass when you encounter one online.

Pathetic. And as unfunny as the usual pedantic right-wing drivel I've come to expect from some of the less-accomplished wits that parade their lack-of-talent for all to experience.

Unfortunately.

I suppose it's easier to kill a beast in darkness than a man in daylight.

Just give me a stool and a microphone and it'll be a memorable night of racist jokes. Just make sure there's a riot barricade before the stage. LOL!

:rolleyes: that would be the sarcastic smiley, just so you know
Where your light heart in that comment? People tell me to relax all the time and I joke with them. Looks like it's impossible to tell the difference between ass and elbow when it comes to online sarcasm.

But it is possible to tell an ass when you encounter one online.

Of course, donkeys can't type.

Originally posted by SinoI am optimistic, but even an optimist gets pissed off. Why are you so happy? Are you drug f*cked like the hippies?

Smile? I hardly smile, unless I'm telling a joke. Most of the time, my face mirrors that of the serious Chinese soldier in Tiananmen Square, but when I smile, I can get away with murder.


Maybe I should buy an NDM-86 and hunt hippies for a living!

*Sino walking up to the forestry officer, rifle in hand trophies in the rucksack.*

"I shot four hippies today, sir. What's did say was for the price of one? I helping to clear out a national pest, ya know."


In all societies, as well as nature, life is struggle to survive and excel. If there is no struggle to live and fight for, then one is spiritually (not in a religious context) dead.

I don't know whether to be nauseated or just feel sorry for you, you sick bastard. Peace.

I suppose it's easier to kill a beast in darkness than a man in daylight.

Just give me a stool and a microphone and it'll be a memorable night of racist jokes. Just make sure there's a riot barricade before the stage. LOL!

Well, don't let me stop you. If you wish to prevaricate, do, illuminate us with your evening of racialist entertainments. The stage and mike are all yours, big man.

Well, don't let me stop you. If you wish to prevaricate, do, illuminate us with your evening of racialist entertainments. The stage and mike are all yours, big man.

I've posted a whole thread of that somewhere a few days a go, I'll see if I can dig it out again. LOL!

I don't know whether to be nauseated or just feel sorry for you, you sick bastard. Peace.

Feel nauseated, you should. Death would come as less painful. LOL!

Wow, Yoda. Bad joke that was.
Feel nauseated, you should. Death would come as less painful. LOL!

Another example of something Christians can't enjoy because it conflicts with their rules and "values." It just irritates me that people have to speak out against something that advocates peace and understanding.
What's even SADDER is that Christ advocated peace, love, and understanding above all else. Conservetive Christians love to forget that.

Wow, Yoda. Bad joke that was.

Yoda?! I'm short and Yellow, not small and green.

I've posted a whole thread of that somewhere a few days a go, I'll see if I can dig it out again. LOL!

You start digging.

What's even SADDER is that Christ advocated peace, love, and understanding above all else. Conservetive Christians love to forget that.

I suppose they represent Christian ideals as much as al Queda represents all Muslims.

Now that WAS funny! Anyway, kiddies, peace... this love child is going to catch some sleep, hopefully.
Yoda?! I'm short and Yellow, not small and green.

You start digging.

Here it is!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432840

Now that WAS funny! Anyway, kiddies, peace... this love child is going to catch some sleep, hopefully.

Even Mr. Putin, the man who has a suitcase that controls all of Russia's 10,000 ICBMs need sleep. I suggest you go enjoy that slumber and have a more productive day tomorrow.

Are all the hippies asleep over there in America? Good!

[QUOTE=Mikeswill]Ignorance is a disease most notable when one's arse does the speaking.

You must have pretty bad breath then. hur hur!

But tis ok as we need the ignorant to help us practice tolerance.

How nice for you, now smile for me as I shove my lit cigar up your dumb hippy arse.

Assumptions are likeswise proof of ignorance. As a Nation in Spiritual Recovery it has been over two and a half years since any drugs have entered my body to include the alcohol of my youth. As a humble spiritual being existing in the body of a 46 year old hippie I wager that my previous career surpasses the yapping of my new found ignorant foe. However, it is with the 28+ years of indulgent experiences that has lent me well to the service of those whom seek recovery from addictions. Alas, I can assists no one whose arse speaks but I do know a proctologist. (Dr. Bob)

You seem to have an obsession with arse, I myself enjoy sticking lit cigars in them at partys, just for a joke of course.
Seeing as you have arse on your brain, I direct you here for your amusement.
http://doodie.com/

Recently, I heard an old hippie song on the radio, it was John Lennon's 'Imagine'. The piano sounded nice, until the bullsh*t lyrics rolled in. When that weak tune finished playing, I was relieved that it was over. I conclude that it's the Anthem of Defeatism.


Forgive my blatant flaming, even though I rather suspect this was intended to be flamebait all along.

But....

Your a douche.

"Imagine", is in no way, Lennon's best work, but to call the lyrics "bullshit" is pretty subjective.
Bullshit to you maybe..but who cares about you?
You werent a Beatle.

Its a positive message, that asks a person to look beyond themselves, and their petty hates and loves, set aside the real bullshit, and just imagine a better place.

Thats it.

It isnt meant to be taken quite so literally.
Maybe your problem is the positiveness of the song in general.
Maybe you just have a problem accepting anything that doesnt cause you angst in some form or another?
Maybe your just so miserable, you just cant stand the thought of anything being good and nice?

Im not saying you should hang with the hippies, and wear patchouli and quit bathing or anything, (assuming you do), but for crap sakes man, try to look beyond your own bullshit, before you complain about the smell of someone elses.

You'll live longer.

Seeing as you have arse on your brain, I direct you here for your amusement.
http://doodie.com/

'Tis about time somebody recommended that site. I've been visiting it since 2000!

Ignorance is a disease most notable when one's arse does the speaking. But tis ok as we need the ignorant to help us practice tolerance. Assumptions are likeswise proof of ignorance. As a Nation in Spiritual Recovery it has been over two and a half years since any drugs have entered my body to include the alcohol of my youth. As a humble spiritual being existing in the body of a 46 year old hippie I wager that my previous career surpasses the yapping of my new found ignorant foe. However, it is with the 28+ years of indulgent experiences that has lent me well to the service of those whom seek recovery from addictions. Alas, I can assists no one whose arse speaks but I do know a proctologist. (Dr. Bob)

And in conclusion, though Imagine may be my Nations Anthem, Stairway to Heaven is my favorite song/ (More fodder for the Metamusel seeking speakers).

Good day and Peace out

Kisses

Mikey

Methinks someone needs to go practice his humility for a bit; he seems to be losing his touch.

Methinks someone needs to go practice his humility for a bit; he seems to be losing his touch.

It's called being high on weed! LOL!

'Tis about time somebody recommended that site. I've been visiting it since 2000!

Yes Doodieman rules.

Yes Doodieman rules.

My favorite is the one about the descendent of Edison, who ate a battery, went for a crap, pluggged a lightbulb on the sh*t pile and it illuminated! I was overwhelmed by my laughter.

I suppose they represent Christian ideals as much as al Queda represents all Muslims.
I get the distinct feeling that you're being sarcastic, but whether you are or not, yes, Northern Irish Terrorists are perverting the word of God just as badly as Al-Quada is.

The thing about Conservitive Christians like Bush is that they're the ones who make people hate our faith and our nation. That's seriously uncool.

Oh, and here's something on-topic: I really like "Imagine". Not just the song, but the whole album's great.

The thing about Conservitive Christians like Bush is that they're the ones who make people hate our faith and our nation. That's seriously uncool.

Whenever some Christian attempts to convert me, I just tell 'em that "Bush is a Christian too and he wages war indiscriminately." The thing with America as always is that they put other peoples' problems ahead of theirs. Like criticizing the RSA's Aparthied while Negros in the South were being treated no better. If America is the world policeman then maybe al Queda is a vigilante group tired of his abuse of power.

I get the distinct feeling that you're being sarcastic, but whether you are or not, yes, Northern Irish Terrorists are perverting the word of God just as badly as Al-Quada is.

Whenever religion uses their spiritual clout to gain power and influence politics, I find them dubious.

Whenever some Christian attempts to convert me, I just tell 'em that "Bush is a Christian too and he wages war indiscriminately."
In the 2000 debates against Al Gore, Bush was asked the question, "Which philosopher's teachings do you follow?" to which Bush responded, "Jesus." In 2003, Bush invaded Iraq unprovoked. So the question for Bush is now, "Who would Jesus bomb?"

Jeez tsk tsk gotta hate people being hopeful. What on earth could he be thinking, singing about peace? How unprogressive.

I get the distinct feeling that you're being sarcastic, but whether you are or not, yes, Northern Irish Terrorists are perverting the word of God just as badly as Al-Quada is.



Bullshit. They are not doing it for God, they are doing it to liberate Northern Ireland from etc... whereas the muslim fanatics are waging terrorism in their Gods name, as many of their splinter groups names attestify by name as..

Stop trying to lesen muslim attrocitys by claming ' current Christian' ones equate them somehow, in your mind only maybe.
And no, Bush is not waging a holy war on behalf of Christians. :rolleyes:

Bullshit. They are not doing it for God, they are doing it to liberate Northern Ireland from etc... whereas the muslim fanatics are waging terrorism in their Gods name, as many of their splinter groups names attestify by name as..

Stop trying to lesen muslim attrocitys by claming ' current Christian' ones equate them somehow, in your mind only maybe.
And no, Bush is not waging a holy war on behalf of Christians. :rolleyes:

The Muslim fanatics are a small minority in the world's Muslim population. Like the Crusaders using God's name to wage war, they're doing the same. However, a majority of Muslims also believe the radicals are criminals.

From the course of history Christians have also wage atrocities, with the Inquisition being one example.

Oh, I get it. Ideas that were popular 36 years ago are so ancient that they can never be good again.
Nice one Genius that way of thinking brings the whole 'Traditional Values' thing into play.

Bring Back Traditional Values!

Thank You Liberals youve down it again. :)

Oh, so it's the era of endless warmongering! Now you tell me! :)
*grabs M-60, and ammo boxes*
*runs outside*
Warmongering gosh no.

Its called projecting your Influence to protect your Borders.

Here are the lyrics for those interested:

Just so wrong and naive on so many levels.

Don't you mean right and insightful? It describes an ideal world that isn't possible today partly because of the people (or rather the types of people) who seem post on these forums :rolleyes:

Won't happen for about 1000 years

Jeez tsk tsk gotta hate people being hopeful. What on earth could he be thinking, an American singing about peace? How unpatriotic.


Umm...Lennon was English.

You knew that, right?

Recently, I heard an old hippie song on the radio, it was John Lennon's 'Imagine'. The piano sounded nice, until the bullsh*t lyrics rolled in. When that weak tune finished playing, I was relieved that it was over. I conclude that it's the Anthem of Defeatism.

Fuck You... No wait scratch that... I'm sorry, but how can you hate Imagine... It was voted best song of all time in Brittain

Umm...Lennon was English.

You knew that, right?

Damnit...yes I did....my witty comments have been foiled...again!

Yes I did, yes I did...Yes I do know he's English. Slap me, please...

Nonetheless I shall edit that post and take that insulting name I called him off.

Hey who's heard A Perfect Circle's version...mmm

Damnit...yes I did....my witty comments have been foiled...again!

Yes I did, yes I did...Yes I do know he's English. Slap me, please...

Nonetheless I shall edit that post and take that insulting name I called him off.

Well..if it helps, I think he eventually gained dual citizenship.
Therefore he was both a Brit..and a Yank.

Well..if it helps, I think he eventually gained dual citizenship.
Therefore he was both a Brit..and a Yank.
I thought he was one of those hypocritical types that resisted becoming a U.S. citizen, but lived here full time and constantly complained about how bad it was.

Recently, I heard an old hippie song on the radio, it was John Lennon's 'Imagine'. The piano sounded nice, until the bullsh*t lyrics rolled in. When that weak tune finished playing, I was relieved that it was over. I conclude that it's the Anthem of Defeatism.

Oh Christ...I didn't just hear that...
That song is timeless, it'll be around 200 years from now, and it is an awesome song...and BECAUSE of the lyrics, it is an awesome song!!

Doy ou mind telling me just what, exactly, is wrong with CO-OPERATION rather than COMPETITION...what the hell is wrong with there being no more nations, no more artificial things dividing us as human beings?? what the hell is wrong with living in peace and joy?

Jesus Christ, if you don't like that song, you just HAVE to be a conservative Republican...

If offtopic posts where are a crime most of you would be on death row by now.

It's an awesome song, though I prefer the more fastpaced Internationale and various Chumbawamba and Rage against the Machine songs.

Whenever it comes on the radio I just completely ignore the lyrics and listen for the piano. Still, I'd much prefer they play Twist and Shout.

If offtopic posts where are a crime most of you would be on death row by now.

Hey, it's taco night tonight here on death row. Or are you planning on holing up in your cell with a can of 'Ensure', again?

emancipated dammit.

The word you're looking for is "Emaciated".

The word you're looking for is "Emaciated".
What!? I thought we were being freed from horrible oppression! AGH!!!! :D

John Lennon was a modern day hero! I will admit that some of the ways he tried to get his point across were a little out there at times. But he cared and yes, was perhaps a little idealistic. But he was right in my opinion. Imagine was a great song, a song of possibilities, not of realities and so you have to take it in context. Working Class Hero, was written in the same vain, and again a masterpiece.

John Lennon only wanted for the world to be at peace, if that dream is crap, then what the hell does that say about humanity? It may be naive, or idealistic, but to condemn the dream or hope, is simply wrong.

John Lennon Forever!

Peace,
Stephanie.

Originally posted by Stephistan
John Lennon was a modern day hero! I will admit that some of the ways he tried to get his point across were a little out there at times. But he cared and yes, was perhaps a little idealistic. But he was right in my opinion. Imagine was a great song, a song of possibilities, not of realities and so you have to take it in context. Working Class Hero, was written in the same vain, and again a masterpiece.

John Lennon only wanted for the world to be at peace, if that dream is crap, then what the hell does that say about humanity? It may be naive, or idealistic, but to condemn the dream or hope, is simply wrong.

John Lennon Forever!

Peace,
Stephanie.

Thank you! Peace. :fluffle:

John Lennon was a modern day hero! I will admit that some of the ways he tried to get his point across were a little out there at times. But he cared and yes, was perhaps a little idealistic. But he was right in my opinion. Imagine was a great song, a song of possibilities, not of realities and so you have to take it in context. Working Class Hero, was written in the same vain, and again a masterpiece.

John Lennon only wanted for the world to be at peace, if that dream is crap, then what the hell does that say about humanity? It may be naive, or idealistic, but to condemn the dream or hope, is simply wrong.

John Lennon Forever!

Peace,
Stephanie.

*hands you a box of cookies*

If Saddam knew psywar and played that song, all the American troops would have laid down their arms and cried like a bunch of p*ssies! That's why I call it the Athem of Defeatism.
I suspect you greatly underestimate the fortitude of the average American soldier, not to mention his/her sense of humor. :rolleyes:

John Lennon was a modern day hero! I will admit that some of the ways he tried to get his point across were a little out there at times. But he cared and yes, was perhaps a little idealistic. But he was right in my opinion. Imagine was a great song, a song of possibilities, not of realities and so you have to take it in context. Working Class Hero, was written in the same vain, and again a masterpiece.

John Lennon only wanted for the world to be at peace, if that dream is crap, then what the hell does that say about humanity? It may be naive, or idealistic, but to condemn the dream or hope, is simply wrong.

John Lennon Forever!

Indeed, would people rather have a "Bourgeoisie Hero" song instead?

As soon as you're born, they won't let you feel big.
All they do is mock and call you a pig.
Until you're so fucking regulated, you start feeling sick.
A Bourgeoisie hero's a good thing to be!
A Bourgeoisie hero's a good thing to be!
If you want to be a hero, just follow me.

I think the song is beautiful and expresses the desires of lots and lots of people. However, it is also incredibly nieve. Let's get this straight: the world is a dangerous place. There are people out there who really would love nothing better than to kill you and your family for a wide variety of reasons, not the least of which is that you don't believe the same way they do. The existence of people who live in total antithesis to the beliefs others hold, call the beliefs of those others into question. This leaves those others two options: cast asside all they have been taught since birth, or somehow justify what they have been taught to believe.

Guess which option many of them choose.

I think the song is beautiful and expresses the desires of lots and lots of people. However, it is also incredibly nieve. Let's get this straight: the world is a dangerous place. There are people out there who really would love nothing better than to kill you and your family for a wide variety of reasons, not the least of which is that you don't believe the same way they do. The existence of people who live in total antithesis to the beliefs others hold, call the beliefs of those others into question. This leaves those others two options: cast asside all they have been taught since birth, or somehow justify what they have been taught to believe.

Guess which option many of them choose.

That is why the song is named "Imagine" :)

Indeed, would people rather have a "Bourgeoisie Hero" song instead?

'Bourgeois' is the adjectival form.

There are people out there who really would love nothing better than to kill you and your family for a wide variety of reasons, not the least of which is that you don't believe the same way they do. The existence of people who live in total antithesis to the beliefs others hold, call the beliefs of those others into question. This leaves those others two options: cast asside all they have been taught since birth, or somehow justify what they have been taught to believe.


"They drew a circle to cast us out; We drew a circle to draw them in". (Unitarian Universalist saying)

There is a third option: refute hatred and promulgate love - dismiss the differences between people and instead find what's common between us, and build from there.

And no, it's not a pipe-dream. No, it's nothing that august governing bodies can mandate. It's only possible to do it on a smaller scale, interpersonally. Maybe that lacks a certain glamour, seeing as it's all hard work with no certain pay-off, and no international photo-ops, but: We will have our paradise on Earth, one mind, one heart, one soul at a time.

Naive? I disagree. It's naive to think we'll ever be able to see eye-to-eye until the principle of an 'eye for an eye' is finally discounted.

Bullshit. They are not doing it for God, they are doing it to liberate Northern Ireland from etc... whereas the muslim fanatics are waging terrorism in their Gods name, as many of their splinter groups names attestify by name as..

Stop trying to lesen muslim attrocitys by claming ' current Christian' ones equate them somehow, in your mind only maybe.
I'm not trying to lessen anybody's atrocities, I was only trying to provide a comparison. The point is that Christianity is a religion of peace and tolerance, but the Nazi's soldiers had inscribed in their helmets "Gott ist mit uns" Or "God is with us" as they were fighting a war killing Jews. Islam is a religion of peace and forgiveness, but Al-Quada rages war against my country because they refuse to forgive us for what we've done in the Middle East.

And the conflict in Northern Ireland is mostly about the seperation of Protestants and Catholics. The Catholics want their island to be completely free of Protestant governments, and the Protestants don't want to be ruled by Catholics. Does that mean they're killing each other over God? Yes.

Indeed, would people rather have a "Bourgeoisie Hero" song instead?

As soon as you're born, they won't let you feel big.
All they do is mock and call you a pig.
Until you're so fucking regulated, you start feeling sick.
A Bourgeoisie hero's a good thing to be!
A Bourgeoisie hero's a good thing to be!
If you want to be a hero, just follow me.

Ha! That would be a good parody.

"They drew a circle to cast us out; We drew a circle to draw them in". (Unitarian Universalist saying)

There is a third option: refute hatred and promulgate love - dismiss the differences between people and instead find what's common between us, and build from there.

And no, it's not a pipe-dream. No, it's nothing that august governing bodies can mandate. It's only possible to do it on a smaller scale, interpersonally. Maybe that lacks a certain glamour, seeing as it's all hard work with no certain pay-off, and no international photo-ops, but: We will have our paradise on Earth, one mind, one heart, one soul at a time.

Naive? I disagree. It's naive to think we'll ever be able to see eye-to-eye until the principle of an 'eye for an eye' is finally discounted.

Well said Dobbs :)

And the conflict in Northern Ireland is mostly about the seperation of Protestants and Catholics. The Catholics want their island to be completely free of Protestant governments, and the Protestants don't want to be ruled by Catholics. Does that mean they're killing each other over God? Yes.

Actually protestants and catholics do not fight mainly because of their Christian beliefs (i doubt many of those who fight because of these reasons even go to church or fully understand their beliefs). They fight because of what each of the catholic and protestant faiths support in general. Mainly catholics support a united Ireland (although not in all cases) and protestants support the union with Britain (although not in all cases). It is just that because of these general opinions there has grown aggression between the two groups. it has nothing to do with religion at the basic level

Recently, I heard an old hippie song on the radio, it was John Lennon's 'Imagine'. The piano sounded nice, until the bullsh*t lyrics rolled in. When that weak tune finished playing, I was relieved that it was over. I conclude that it's the Anthem of Defeatism.

It's an awful song that i abhor, i admit. But, i abhor it because musically it's dire and lyrically it's hypoctritical (the man telling us to imagine no possessions used to keep an entire floor of the dakota building refrigerated to keep Ono's fur coats in pristine condition)...however...

However, your approach basically seems to be "war is good, greed is good, rampant nationalism is good". Whilst i dislike the musician who produced the song, you know, i don't think peace is *that* bad you know.

Unless i missed the point and you are actually practicing irony. Which, judging by the standard of your later posts, you don't have the ability to master. Along with rational thought, walking without dragging your knuckles and making a coherent point without mindlessly whooping at your own "humour"

John Lennon's weirdness rivals that of Jim Morrison's. By the I don't think Jim is dead I think he is on a island some where drinking fruity drinks all day by the beach staring at clouds thinking there sexy. I mean If you were on trial for attempted murder and you had plane ticket and a lot of money what would you do. He went missing for so long he was presumed dead. He has a grave but no one is in it. Lol (this is just a joke).

I'm a Christian and capitalist, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy the song. Sure, I don't agree with what Lennon saw as necessary to achieve peace/harmony, but I have no doubt that those were the things he wanted when he wrote the song, and for that I commend him. Communists are not evil. They're wrong, in my opinion, but certainly not evil.


I love you!!! :fluffle: See, this is why I love christians. Because they may be conservative, but at least they are nice. The real ones anyway. More fluffles for Ragbralbur! :fluffle:

Morrison suposedly died in a bath tub.
And Lennon wasn't really that weird.

Something tells me that if Bush has "unlimited" powers we'd have a society that looks like this (http://www.fmft.net/archives/mosley/mosley5.gif).

We do, here it is :GOP (http://www.mccullagh.org/db9/950-12/gop-convention-4.jpg)

Can anyone spot Schwarzenneger in the photo? :rolleyes:

Can anyone spot Schwarzenneger in the photo? :rolleyes:

Nah, but his dad is on the left. I mean, Right. Enschudligung, Rechts.

I suspect you greatly underestimate the fortitude of the average American soldier, not to mention his/her sense of humor. :rolleyes:
You mean Nicuraguian Immigrants Given a ticket to Babylon and 'if' they complete their service they become USAians right? :rolleyes: