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Ok I argued about this with my mum the other day what do you guys think ..

The education system is all so wrong they teach kids things like - Jesus came back to life, Halloween and ghosts and SATAN !!

These things are all fantasy ( don't argue with the FACTS we don't have any for any side of the argument ! )

I can't remember the exact percentage but Im sure we only use 30% of our brain power, Surely if we taught the kids the facts about life based on prooven facts from scientists would they they not start using the full potential of their brains instead of pondering about ghosts, or god or whatever ??

Obviously teaching them the morals of life to be good, treat others with respect, don't kill animals or people etc ..

My mum said this would be taking away their youth and we should let them have their fun !

I think giving them full potential in this life is much more better than going on and on about things from the past with no FACTS for them to proove it, this will make the kids unstable.

Whenever we move backwards into the past it stops us moving forward.

Comments please.

AS I SAID NO RELIGOUS DEBATES - Thanks

Bluestrips2']I can't remember the exact percentage but Im sure we only use 30% of our brain power, Surely if we taught the kids the facts about life based on prooven facts from scientists would they they not start using the full potential of their brains instead of pondering about ghosts, or god or whatever ??

I think you'll find the exact percentage to be in the region of 100%.

Bluestrips2']but Im sure we only use 30% of our brain power,
You just made me loose all respect for your post with that sentence.
Edit: Nimzonia beat me to it.

I think you'll find the exact percentage to be in the region of 100%.


No scientists have prooven we don't use all of our brain most of it sits dormant ..

Bluestrips2']No scientists have prooven we don't use all of our brain most of it sits dormant ..
Actually, no. Every part of our brain has a clear function, and on the average day we use about 90% of it (the rest, however, is not "dormant": we just did not need to perform that kind of thought on that day.)

That is medically and scientifically accepted fact. You want proof, go look at brain scans of various people.

Neither of you are correct. I looked it up (Encyclopedia) we only use 10% of our memory capacity and critical thinking/problem solving etc. Anyway, from a public school standpoint, I think there should be no religious themes tought at all. Sure there can be an afterschool all religions class, or a World Religions course, but it is wrong for the religion in power in whatever country to impose their religion on others, directly or indirectly.

I bet that percentage we use of our brains (10-15%?) is calculated when the test subject is lying still and half asleep.

Sorry I should of backed this up ..

100% Usage of the Brain, The Worst Nightmare

To set things off we know that we use an execeptionally low percantage of our brain. People believe that in some day and age our brain will reach its full compacity and function at 100%. But is that what we really want? Possibly in the future we will know how to rid ourselves of all the components which dystroy our brain cells, but lets make a scenerio for the hell of it. Lets say a child is born with 100% usage of his brain, in OUR society. Try and think of how it would be for him, his brain cells constantly dying down due to the toxic substances floating in the air. He will literally feel himself get stupider every single second of every single day for his entire life. Is this something we would really want? We kill many brain cells but since our small usage of the brain, we never feel the effects of it (unless it is with drugs). This person using 100% of his mind will feel every single effect of it all day long. Would 100% of the brain, that we usually strive for, be something you would want? Or is it something we should fear?

http://www.sciforums.com/printthread.php?t=33930

I always thought that fantasy was a good thing. I LIKE my imagination.
And I think the 10% figure is one of those slightly true things that become accepted as fact. Perhaps it means only 10% of neurons are firing at one time or something, I don't know...

Bluestrips2']No scientists have prooven we don't use all of our brain most of it sits dormant ..

Nope. The 'We don't use all of our brain' thing is an urban myth.

[NS], how do we know that the author on "sci" boards is correct/ source is correct?

Neither of you are correct. I looked it up (Encyclopedia) we only use 10%.
I must ask with much fear: what encyclopaedia were you looking at? Because it's either a joke or about 50 years out-of-date.

It is a myth that we use only 10% of our brain. If we did, we'd be worse than the most ertarded person in history (quite literally). 10% basically covers our involuntary actions, and no upper thought. So, basically, if you can do 7x9 in your head, your using MUCH more than 10%.

What you're thinking of is the fact that we only THINK with a small percentage of our brain, like 10% or 15%. However, if you study anything about the brain's activities, you will find that every part has its own subconscious function that we have little obvious, conscious control over. For instance, you speak with a different part of the brain than that part which understands what you hear. Some people with certain brain damage can understand you but are unable to form cohesive replies. If you want to talk about facts, look them up.

You're right Milhouse, fun is fun!

Bluestrips2'] No religous arguments - STAY ON TOPIC PLEASE - Thanks

Ok I argued about this with my mum the other day what do you guys think ..

The education system is all so wrong they teach kids things like - Jesus came back to life, Halloween and ghosts and SATAN !!

These things are all fantasy ( don't argue with the FACTS we don't have any for any side of the argument ! )

I can't remember the exact percentage but Im sure we only use 30% of our brain power, Surely if we taught the kids the facts about life based on prooven facts from scientists would they they not start using the full potential of their brains instead of pondering about ghosts, or god or whatever ??

Obviously teaching them the morals of life to be good, treat others with respect, don't kill animals or people etc ..

My mum said this would be taking away their youth and we should let them have their fun !

I think giving them full potential in this life is much more better than going on and on about things from the past with no FACTS for them to proove it, this will make the kids unstable.

Whenever we move backwards into the past it stops us moving forward.

Comments please.

AS I SAID NO RELIGOUS DEBATES - Thanks
I don't know to which eductional system you make reference, but in North Carolina, USA, those things are not taught ... the churches and many parents do that job quite well. :(

I always thought that fantasy was a good thing. I LIKE my imagination.
And I think the 10% figure is one of those slightly true things that become accepted as fact. Perhaps it means only 10% of neurons are firing at one time or something, I don't know...
Again, no.

Basically, the idea of the use of 10% of our brain is an urban legend with roots most likely with people who wanted us to sound even more superior to the animals around us. "Hey, look at what we can do! And we're only using 10% of our brains!" It is, however, an arbitrary number with no basis in fact, and is grosly inacurate.

Well the facts are not pure certain for the amount we use, but the main argument was to do with teaching the kids real facts or fantasy.

I did feel like I was being mean when I said we shouldn't but I feel we do not use our full potential.

Hmmm... Responding to the original point of this thread... I think that, if we just teach our children about proven facts and that crap, then they will be very boring. Imagination is essential - TV is trying to kill it, and I'm glad my parents didn't let me watch too much telly - because I have an imagination.
And as for
Whenever we move backwards into the past it stops us moving forward.
I would just say he who does not learn from the past is doomed to repeat it.

Again, no.

Basically, the idea of the use of 10% of our brain is an urban legend with roots most likely with people who wanted us to sound even more superior to the animals around us. "Hey, look at what we can do! And we're only using 10% of our brains!" It is, however, an arbitrary number with no basis in fact, and is grosly inacurate.
I know it's an urban legend, I was just trying to suggest some sort of origin that it might have had, off the top of my head.

If you think the education system is wrong, how about this: it teaches people many things unrelated to that own person's career goals, etc. College makes the most sense to me, where there is a small core requirement and a lot of room to choose your own courses, depending on how ambitious you are and where you want your education to take you. People like the thread starter seem to think that kids get all their foundations and develop all of their opinions in high school or something crazy like that. Plenty of atheists have come out of religious schools, and plenty of religious people have done quite well in secular schools where religion is frowned upon. It's not a question of teaching "fantasy," but how we present the situation that a good percentage of the population believes these things, however here are the facts we know pertaining to the subject covered in this class. In college, one can choose which religion class to take, if any, and I see no reason why everyone in high school should take all the same stuff anyway. There could be a basic core, and religion should not be part of that core.

Hmmm... Responding to the original point of this thread... I think that, if we just teach our children about proven facts and that crap, then they will be very boring. Imagination is essential - TV is trying to kill it, and I'm glad my parents didn't let me watch too much telly - because I have an imagination.
And as for

I would just say he who does not learn from the past is doomed to repeat it.

Maybe I was being mean and it may stop a lot of imaginational fun for the kids. I wanted to find out if I was indeed being mean.


This site shows some more info ..

http://www.happychild.org.uk/acc/tpr/amz/0998prct.htm

fantasy is the engine that makes a scientist. without imagination where would new theories and new techniques come from? we need fiction and fantasy and even little social lies like religious stories.

after all, didnt you and your mom talk about it? didnt that teach you something? little easy-to-refute historical fantasies spur you on to be able to see the big whopping lies that are told to you today. its good practice.

where do you live that they teach religion as history? doesnt it piss off all the people who dont subscribe to that particular religion?

I know it's an urban legend, I was just trying to suggest some sort of origin that it might have had, off the top of my head.
Sorry, then. ^.^

Bluestrips2']Maybe I was being mean and it may stop a lot of imaginational fun for the kids. I wanted to find out if I was indeed being mean.


This site shows some more info ..

http://www.happychild.org.uk/acc/tpr/amz/0998prct.htm
Known by who? Or how? How can they tell we only use 1% of our brain consciously? I'm no brain surgeon, but I'd imagine it's difficult to distinguish between conscious and subconscious thought - at least THAT accurately. Also, it does say "use consciously". No-one here is going to say we use 100% of our brain consciously - that would leave no space for breathing or any of the other things that go on in our heads.

You know, it's not just Jesus came back to life, Halloween and ghosts and SATAN !! Schools do teach other things.. like what ghosts look like and how to draw Satan's horns.

Sorry, then. ^.^
No problemo. Just didn't want you to think I bought into that... stuff. (A nice, non-committal word...)

I think sometimes you humans aren't using your full brain capacity. I mean only about 40% of your brain seems to work at any given time. Of course, that might just be with the humans that I've met, but still...I don't think people use all of their brain capacity in a day, and often less than 80%. Just my thoughts on this.

fantasy is the engine that makes a scientist. without imagination where would new theories and new techniques come from? we need fiction and fantasy and even little social lies like religious stories.

after all, didnt you and your mom talk about it? didnt that teach you something? little easy-to-refute historical fantasies spur you on to be able to see the big whopping lies that are told to you today. its good practice.

where do you live that they teach religion as history? doesnt it piss off all the people who dont subscribe to that particular religion?

Scotland - they had a minister come in now and again and tell us stuff about GOD and jesus coming back to life etc ..

I can't remember many people beleiving in it and we used to change the words to the hymns (bart simpson style) because it was that boring ..

I will admit I was wrong to think this may help, although years into the future it will be like this we will eventually forget the past and move on.

The reason it came up was because a few of my friends are expecting kids and my sister as well :)

And one of them was talking about how he will tell his son/daughter not to worry about god so he/she can just get on with life - I fully agreed and then started questioning the way we were taught this in school. By Mr.TRUE lol what a name for a minister.

I'm waiting for the day when scientists, along with Sony, create network adapters for our lovely brains. Perhaps the cords can plug through our ears, or nose into someone else. Now THAT'S what they should be teaching in school.

You want to take away childrens imagination?! What kind of monstor are you?! There is just...there...I just can't comprehend all the wrongness of what you are suggesting! You'd take away the artists the writers, a huge chunk of what makes us HUMAN!

God shouldn't be simply cast aside as something that worries us, like "oh don't worry about God, so you can get on with your life." If it's that bad over in Scotland, I'm severely sorry for you people. There actually is a minute minority of humans who don't see God as a limiting factor, but as an ever-present entity who is simply interested in your love, in exchange for many blessings and gifts, all situational. I personally have never let Christianity stand in the way of my pursuit of all types of knowledge. Also, never forget the phrase from everyone's favorite bayou American, Mark Twain: "I never let my schooling get in the way of my education."

Bluestrips2']Scotland - they had a minister come in now and again and tell us stuff about GOD and jesus coming back to life etc ..

I can't remember many people beleiving in it and we used to change the words to the hymns (bart simpson style) because it was that boring ..

I will admit I was wrong to think this may help, although years into the future it will be like this we will eventually forget the past and move on.

The reason it came up was because a few of my friends are expecting kids and my sister as well :)

And one of them was talking about how he will tell his son/daughter not to worry about god so he/she can just get on with life - I fully agreed and then started questioning the way we were taught this in school. By Mr.TRUE lol what a name for a minister.

Yes, that's in assembly (normally). Once a week. So what? Very few people pay attention anyway, and in case you haven't noticed, no-one ever says that the minister is telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth. As far as I remember they always used to say "believe". At least in Primary. In Secondary, well...by that time you should have learned how to think. I had a terrible problem. Ever time the minister mentioned Jesus on the cross I got "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life" going through my head.

And the only other time religion comes into it is RE classes. Where, if you haven't noticed, they teach you about all the various modern religions. And you only get that once a week for 4 years.

Plus, if you're anything like me, you get a nutsy teacher who's incredible disproof of the Big Bang theory ran as follows:

"It was an explosion, right? And what do you need for an explosion? Oxygen! So where did the Oxygen come from?!"

The most worrying thing was that a few people in my class seemed to think this was an excellent point.

Anyway, they teach you it all to keep your mind open, so you don't become totally ignorant of the world around you.

If we forget about god himself for a while, religion and all the other 'false' stuff gives us our first taste of the infinite and all the things that create originality and diversity in our minds, I'm an artist so I find this thread grossly offensive- I know I shouldn't, I can't figure out why but it gripes my very soul!
And now I look insane. Well so be it!

Also, never forget the phrase from everyone's favorite bayou American, Mark Twain: "I never let my schooling get in the way of my education."I'd be a good deal happier if my parents followed the same advice...

As it is I'm stuck with one more <expletive> year of high school. Couldn't they have given me the extra course workload and allowed me to finish two years ago, before I got obsessed with NS? Apparetly not. :(

Imagine a really dull pale faced kid. Now make him say
E=MC squared.
Now do you see?

God shouldn't be simply cast aside as something that worries us, like "oh don't worry about God, so you can get on with your life." If it's that bad over in Scotland, I'm severely sorry for you people. There actually is a minute minority of humans who don't see God as a limiting factor, but as an ever-present entity who is simply interested in your love, in exchange for many blessings and gifts, all situational. I personally have never let Christianity stand in the way of my pursuit of all types of knowledge. Also, never forget the phrase from everyone's favorite bayou American, Mark Twain: "I never let my schooling get in the way of my education."


Mate just because we don't beleive in fantasy or god dont pity us - we have brilliant lives - We could say the exact same about people who beleive in GOD.

Thats statement was all SOOO very wrong.

ADDED- In fact I think it's brilliant the way most UK kids don't fall into the religous trap for their whole lives, they can get on with it.

Its sad for you to pity us because we don't beleive in what you beleive in, I pity you mate. We actually have it right over here you cheeky twat !!

I had a terrible problem. Ever time the minister mentioned Jesus on the cross I got "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life" going through my head.



LooooL :D

Bluestrips2']Mate just because we don't beleive in fantasy or god dont pity us - we have brilliant lives - We could say the exact same about people who beleive in GOD.

Thats statement was all SOOO very wrong.

Of course I pity you! Your minds are restrained to the confines of a set of rules and regulations never to explore the depths of your now withered imagination!

I'll er, calm down and shut up now.
*cough*
*Sidle off*

Of course I pity you! Your minds are restrained to the confines of a set of rules and regulations never to explore the depths of your now withered imagination!


OMG your slagging my entire nation for not following fantasy of a non prooven book about Jesus - LOLOLOL HAHAHA

Jesus would slap your ass for that wouldn't he ?

You should include the whole UK in the ripping your trying to give us mate, we know the FACTS and wont follow a trend that hides pedophiles etc ..

LOL

And to beleive in such tripe is just pure basic

Bluestrips2']OMG your slagging my entire nation for not following fantasy of a non prooven book about Jesus - LOLOLOL HAHAHA

Jesus would slap your ass for that wouldn't he ?

Bring him on! I wasn't talking about religion as such, I don't care who believes in what as long as they are introduced to it and all the other halloween and stuffs for the sake of imagination :) :cool:

Bluestrips2']You should include the whole UK in the ripping your trying to give us mate, we know the FACTS and wont follow a trend that hides pedophiles etc ..

LOL

And to beleive in such tripe is just pure basic

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Don't understand what you just said :p

1. What kind of shit public school are you going to if it teaches religious classes.

2. that 10% thing is a myth. Neurons are fired through every single part of your brain. Taking away any piece would impair some function.

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Don't understand what you just said :p


Typical religous nut - anything outside he pitys and dwells on and pretends to ignore .. LOL WE HATE GOD HE SUCKED YOUNG BOYS DICK ..

Wait thats the pope - no he hides pedophiles etc ..

Sorry but your just another guy whos full of it..

I know some devil worshipers who love to prey to satan everynight - really I do .. :D

This isn't a religous argument take it outside, along with your dumb witted simpletown beleivers - LOL we beleive in a book ROFL Brilliant mate you religous guys really crack me up all of the time

Bluestrips2']Typical religous nut - anything outside he pitys and dwells on and pretends to ignore .. LOL WE HATE GOD HE SUCKED YOUNG BOYS DICK ..

Wait thats the pope - no he hides pedophiles etc ..

Sorry but your just another guy whos full of it..

I know some devil worshipers who love to prey to satan everynight - really I do .. :D

This isn't a religous argument take it outside, along with your dumb witted simpletown beleivers - LOL we beleive in a book ROFL Brilliant mate you religous guys really crack me up all of the time

Hmm, ok then, typicals is it. Lets go with this. You found a crack in your argument, and you're trying to fill it with a poor mixture of laughing and religion bashing. Seriously, I don't care who believes in what, or even if they are taught hindu christian buddist, god damn satanism, as long as its 'fantasyish'

Hmm, ok then, typicals is it. Lets go with this. You found a crack in your argument, and you're trying to fill it with a poor mixture of laughing and religion bashing. Seriously, I don't care who believes in what, or even if they are taught hindu christian buddist, god damn satanism, as long as its 'fantasyish'


A crack where ?

I admitted I was wrong a few posts ago .

It was you who claimed you pitied my nation for not beleiving in a story which by the way our roots go further back than when he existed, so can you see why it doesnt happen here ?

You should really think about slagging off entire nations because we don't fall under 'your religion' ok ?

1. Its pathetic
2. Your making an ass of your religion in a way
3. It humours me ( is this bad ?)

1. What kind of shit public school are you going to if it teaches religious classes.

All public schools in Scotland (and I suspect Britain, but I can't be sure) teach Religious Education once a week. It's part of the curriculum. And while you are allowed your opinion of it being "shit", I think it's quite a good thing. It means we don't have all the scary crap being pumped out over in the US. Like the "Teach Creationism in Science classes!" nonsense. We do it in RE. Problem solved.

It just means we broaden our horizons a little.

Bluestrips2']A crack where ?

I admitted I was wrong a few posts ago .

It was you who claimed you pitied my nation for not beleiving in a story which by the way our roots go further back than when he existed, so can you see why it doesnt happen here ?

You should really think about slagging off entire nations because we don't fall under 'your religion' ok ?

Your nation? You mean UK or the digitised thing on NS? And what story?

It has been scientificaly proven that we use only 10% of our brains; also, the religion in power in most counrtys DOES enforce itself into education; i know its a poor example, but the muslims have NO choice-they are muslims from the day of birth, whether they like it or not.

actually, i wonder if anyone out there ever REFUSED islamic teachings as a child? i bet they where killed....or beaten.

EDIT: wow, an edit

All public schools in Scotland (and I suspect Britain, but I can't be sure) teach Religious Education once a week. It's part of the curriculum. And while you are allowed your opinion of it being "shit", I think it's quite a good thing. It means we don't have all the scary crap being pumped out over in the US. Like the "Teach Creationism in Science classes!" nonsense. We do it in RE. Problem solved.

It just means we broaden our horizons a little.

yeah it is the whole of the UK ;)

Bluestrips2']

1. Its pathetic
2. Your making an ass of your religion in a way
3. It humours me ( is this bad ?)

What, did I come in here with a label and a sign displaying my religion? I am a person thank you not a religion. You will note, two of those three points are barley concealed insults :rolleyes:

Your nation? You mean UK or the digitised thing on NS? And what story?


You know what story - the story of jesus and his dad being our creator LOL

The whole of the UK mate.

Honestly you are showing me exactly what I love about religous nuts they can't accept anything outside of their own.

I know a lot of people do but you DONT.

Your pity sucks so bad, it makes you sad.

What, did I come in here with a label and a sign displaying my religion? I am a person thank you not a religion. You will note, two of those three points are barley concealed insults :rolleyes:


What ever religion you beleive in mate you said you pity us, your pathetic reply prooves your trying to squirm out of it.

1. you pity us because we don't beleive in religion - Jesus and his dad being our creator - OUR ROOTS GO FURTHER BACK THAN THE STORY ITSELF. So we know the story isn't worth paying any attention to.

2. To come on and say you pity someone's nation because they don't beleive in what you beleive in PATHETIC.

3. I can dmit when I am wrong and that is why i started this post and it showed me I was.

Bluestrips2']You know what story - the story of jesus and his dad being our creator LOL

The whole of the UK mate.

Honestly you are showing me exactly what I love about religous nuts they can't accept anything outside of their own.

I know a lot of people do but you DONT.

Your pity sucks so bad, it makes you sad.

I live in the UK. I'm starting to think your a strong athiest simply to bash around religious people, THATS what gives athiests a bad name. Your supposed to argue for what you believe in not to insult people. Of course I can accept things outside my own, my belief changes regularly, exept for the one that I believe that children need fantsy for imagination and that imagination is important. But whats wrong with pity? Its a notable human trait with a good reputaion

Bluestrips2']What ever religion you beleive in mate you said you pity us, your pathetic reply prooves your trying to squirm out of it.

1. you pity us because we don't beleive in religion - Jesus and his dad being our creator - OUR ROOTS GO FURTHER BACK THAN THE STORY ITSELF. So we know the story isn't worth paying any attention to.

2. To come on and say you pity someone's nation because they don't beleive in what you beleive in PATHETIC.

3. I can dmit when I am wrong and that is why i started this post and it showed me I was.

1. Did I say I was christian? Who cares if its wrong
2: It's MY nation, I don't pity it, I pity you
3: Ah, woops :D

It has been scientificaly proven that we use only 10% of our brains; also, the religion in power in most counrtys DOES enforce itself into education; i know its a poor example, but the muslims have NO choice-they are muslims from the day of birth, whether they like it or not.

actually, i wonder if anyone out there ever REFUSED islamic teachings as a child? i bet they where killed....or beaten.
Now that just stupid.


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Anyway, onto the main point. My balif is that schools should be secula, god, religion ect should be kept out of assemblie and everywhere else except RE lessions. At my school we had to sing hymms and pray to god and listen to tapes about how jesus saves us ect. Muslims and those of other faiths had to leave these assemblies, now dosn't that smack of brainwashing?

I think that we should get rid of faith schools, and as I say, keep religion in RE lessions. Imagination shpuld be enocuraged, not fast-tracked into a chanell such as religion, certainly when the kid is in Primary school he should be allowed to write a story.

You can't put imagination in a box, I hate the 'creative writing tests' that say somthing like, 'you have 45 minuates to write a detective story', I could never do them not ebcause I have no imagination but because I wrote a lot of fantisy and histroical stuff in my spare time, detective/crime stroys don't cut the ice for me.

It has been scientificaly proven that we use only 10% of our brains;

Show me this "proof". In the mean time, I'll just shoot you in the head. Don't worry! I'll aim for the 90% of your brain you don't use.

also, the religion in power in most counrtys DOES enforce itself into education; i know its a poor example, but the muslims have NO choice-they are muslims from the day of birth, whether they like it or not.

actually, i wonder if anyone out there ever REFUSED islamic teachings as a child? i bet they where killed....or beaten.

EDIT: wow, an edit

Are you implying that here in the UK we get brain-washed into Christianity?

I live in the UK. I'm starting to think your a strong athiest simply to bash around religious people, THATS what gives athiests a bad name. Your supposed to argue for what you believe in not to insult people. Of course I can accept things outside my own, my belief changes regularly, exept for the one that I believe that children need fantsy for imagination and that imagination is important. But whats wrong with pity? Its a notable human trait with a good reputaion

Dont label me I hate when someone labels me its pointless, They were not insults you are taking them the wrong way, YOu said you pity us LOL

Look around you mate the UK has a strong grip on reality.

And our roots go further back than the story ( I have to point this out again it's important )

this thread started well but....it got spoilt; you sould go read the first post made.....no religious arguments; they usually end in JIHAD or lots of turbans.

but seriously, this is how wars start-look at the IRA or the crusades; them vs those guys, or whatever. since i'm an atheist, i don't care who you are; i have pity on believers, as you could be so much more. why do we need a creator? why do we need a father, a mother-we have brothers and sisters instead: we have EACH OTHER.

anyway, god would probably nuke us-or we'd nuke him- "infentesimal being nuked......Bush heard to say 'oh fuck' as god rips him limb from limb"

just grow up.....all of you....including me.....ouch...... :mp5: ;) :sniper:

I SAID NO RELIGOUS DEBATES - DONT COME IN AND CLAIM YOU PITY A NATION

Bluestrips2']Scotland - they had a minister come in now and again and tell us stuff about GOD and jesus coming back to life etc ..

I can't remember many people beleiving in it and we used to change the words to the hymns (bart simpson style) because it was that boring ..

I will admit I was wrong to think this may help, although years into the future it will be like this we will eventually forget the past and move on.

The reason it came up was because a few of my friends are expecting kids and my sister as well :)

And one of them was talking about how he will tell his son/daughter not to worry about god so he/she can just get on with life - I fully agreed and then started questioning the way we were taught this in school. By Mr.TRUE lol what a name for a minister.
*shudder* well i guess it lets you know what people are talking about when they go on and on about christianity. do y'all do "church of england" in scotland? do you have an official religion of your own?

ive always been of the opinion that you shouldnt teach your kids things that you dont really believe, including religion.

this thread started well but....it got spoilt; you sould go read the first post made.....no religious arguments; they usually end in JIHAD or lots of turbans.

but seriously, this is how wars start-look at the IRA or the crusades; them vs those guys, or whatever. since i'm an atheist, i don't care who you are; i have pity on believers, as you could be so much more. why do we need a creator? why do we need a father, a mother-we have brothers and sisters instead: we have EACH OTHER.

anyway, god would probably nuke us-or we'd nuke him- "infentesimal being nuked......Bush heard to say 'oh fuck' as god rips him limb from limb"

just grow up.....all of you....including me.....ouch...... :mp5: ;) :sniper:


Thank you - sorry I got annoyed at the comment ' I pity your nation'

DROP IT !

I was wrong about the whole imagination thing LoL

It is good to use your imagination, I have a book on picturing things in your mind - the guy who wrote it can recall a deck of cards in the exact order using pictures im going to have to read it.

Bluestrips2']Dont label me I hate when someone labels me its pointless, They were not insults you are taking them the wrong way, YOu said you pity us LOL

Look around you mate the UK has a strong grip on reality.

And our roots go further back than the story ( I have to point this out again it's important )

You labled me as religious and nothing but if I remember correctly, and I do. I think 'Your pity makes you sad' is an insult. And I'm glad to hear the Uk has a strong grip on reality, but if you also look around there are many people with somthing called an im-ag-in-ation. They feed it from books, art, and movies. Fine, our roots go back further, the entire religion is based on nothing, its nothing but propaganda, WHO CARES?! I only said we needed fantasy to be better humans. Sheesh. :rolleyes:

Bluestrips2']Thank you - sorry I got annoyed at the comment ' I pity your nation'

DROP IT !

I was wrong about the whole imagination thing LoL

It is good to use your imagination, I have a book on picturing things in your mind - the guy who wrote it can recall a deck of cards in the exact order using pictures im going to have to read it.

Now I'm happy, imagination gooooooood :D

Bluestrips2'] I SAID NO RELIGOUS DEBATES - DONT COME IN AND CLAIM YOU PITY A NATION

A last note

-I was not debating a religion, you brought that up repeatedly-
-I pitied you not the nation, since I LIVE in the UK-
:)

Bluestrips2']You know what story - the story of jesus and his dad being our creator LOL

The whole of the UK mate.

Honestly you are showing me exactly what I love about religous nuts they can't accept anything outside of their own.

I know a lot of people do but you DONT.

Your pity sucks so bad, it makes you sad.
EVERYONE STOP FLAMING DAMMIT!!!!! YOU SAID YOURSELF YOU DIDN'T WANT A RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION!!!!!!!

You labled me as religious and nothing but if I remember correctly, and I do. I think 'Your pity makes you sad' is an insult. And I'm glad to hear the Uk has a strong grip on reality, but if you also look around there are many people with somthing called an im-ag-in-ation. They feed it from books, art, and movies. Fine, our roots go back further, the entire religion is based on nothing, its nothing but propaganda, WHO CARES?! I only said we needed fantasy to be better humans. Sheesh. :rolleyes:


You said you pity my nation -which was the first insult which made me mad, so thats it over. And it obviously made me think your religous.

Are you implying that here in the UK we get brain-washed into Christianity?[/QUOTE]

NO we get a choice; but in Islamified nations (plz don't quote me on 'islamified') the kids have no choice; no feelings or emotion can be displayed; theres a code of honour, and at the center is the korran. by the way, we only use 10% of our brains, but its spread around.....any disruption to any part causes massive hemorraghing, meaning all the tiny chemical dispensers and blood vessels simply explode, leaving you....well, brain dead.

you see, as bullets compact flesh (hence, when you shoot someone in the back, thier guts spray everywhere) you can't (technically) shoot someoone in the head and them survive; a clean corturised wound, like a lazer, might be able to do it without killing the subject/victim; but it would probably fry the surrounding brain areas, killing them.

you can't win with weapons; it takes beliefs
:sniper:

:gundge:

No More Religon At All.

Bluestrips2']You said you pity my nation -which was the first insult which made me mad, so thats it over. And it obviously made me think your religous.

*Sob*
I NEVER SAID I PITIED ANY NATION, THE UK IS MY DAMN NATION TOO, I'M BRITISH BORN AND BRED :( :mp5:

Are you implying that here in the UK we get brain-washed into Christianity?

NO we get a choice; but in Islamified nations (plz don't quote me on 'islamified') the kids have no choice; no feelings or emotion can be displayed; theres a code of honour, and at the center is the korran. by the way, we only use 10% of our brains, but its spread around.....any disruption to any part causes massive hemorraghing, meaning all the tiny chemical dispensers and blood vessels simply explode, leaving you....well, brain dead.

you see, as bullets compact flesh (hence, when you shoot someone in the back, thier guts spray everywhere) you can't (technically) shoot someoone in the head and them surivev; a clean corturised wound, like a lazer, might be able to do it without killing the subject/victim; but it would probably fry the surrounding brain areas, killing them.

you can't win with weapons; it takes beliefs
:sniper:

:gundge:[/QUOTE]

:Barfing smiley: Oh good, and to think I'm choosing 'doctor' as a proffesion
:Queseysmiley:

*Sob*
I NEVER SAID I PITIED ANY NATION, THE UK IS MY DAMN NATION TOO, I'M BRITISH BORN AND BRED :( :mp5:


Oh mate - just drop it what ever you said ' If its that bad in scotland or something) - that bad ? LOL - Im not even go and quote it because its that stupid - doesnt matter I forgive you.

Lets keep on topic here.

*shudder* well i guess it lets you know what people are talking about when they go on and on about christianity. do y'all do "church of england" in scotland? do you have an official religion of your own?

I really don't know the answer to that one. There's a Church of Scotland, certainly. I really don't know how it works. I do my best to avoid it if I can.

by the way, we only use 10% of our brains, but its spread around.....any disruption to any part causes massive hemorraghing, meaning all the tiny chemical dispensers and blood vessels simply explode, leaving you....well, brain dead.

you see, as bullets compact flesh (hence, when you shoot someone in the back, thier guts spray everywhere) you can't (technically) shoot someoone in the head and them surivev; a clean corturised wound, like a lazer, might be able to do it without killing the subject/victim; but it would probably fry the surrounding brain areas, killing them.

That's a detailed explanation. It still sounds like rubbish. I would like to see some evidence, please. You did come in and claim that it was proven. The closest I've heard is that we may only use 10% at any one time, which is certainly a heck of a lot different.

Bluestrips2']Oh mate - just drop it what ever you said ' If its that bad in scotland or something) - that bad ? LOL - Im not even go and quote it because its that stupid - doesnt matter I forgive you.

Lets keep on topic here.

Wohoo! Score one for the world of fantasy! :p
And now I'm off-
To here
http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/elfwood.pike
Zooom :D

what amkes you born and bred? what makes this YOUR nation? have you ever fought for it; have you ever tried to make its economy great? what about charitable acts to the poor in this nation? we have lost sight of what a nation REALLY is-or why it is OUR nation.

OH, by the way, i'm british too; little town called basingstoke, way past london and reading.

look for the fallen; he was here.

The main point I was trying to put across was that by teaching the kids more facts than fiction or fantasy would improve their potential.

It seems it would probably make them older quicker and use less imagination which yes would be bad thing.

Im still sure it could be changed for the better even just a bit to help improve the quality of knowledge they have in their brains.

Wohoo! Score one for the world of fantasy! :p
And now I'm off-
To here
http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/elfwood.pike
Zooom :D

LoL so thats what it was all about getting one up for the team ?

Ok you win LOL :D

what amkes you born and bred? what makes this YOUR nation? have you ever fought for it; have you ever tried to make its economy great? what about charitable acts to the poor in this nation? we have lost sight of what a nation REALLY is-or why it is OUR nation.

OH, by the way, i'm british too; little town called basingstoke, way past london and reading.

look for the fallen; he was here.
What has that got to do with this. And I'm british byb the way, a Yorkshire farmer. And the last sentence? What was that about.

I really don't know the answer to that one. There's a Church of Scotland, certainly. I really don't know how it works. I do my best to avoid it if I can.



That's a detailed explanation. It still sounds like rubbish. I would like to see some evidence, please. You did come in and claim that it was proven. The closest I've heard is that we may only use 10% at any one time, which is certainly a heck of a lot different.

right. i'll go fucking find it, shall i? can't *ANYONE* ever jsut realize they are talking to PPL that know about some things? i'm a student; pychology and chemistry (a few languages.....but i hate those) so i learn about how the brain works and also how to manipulate it.

NARCISISIM :p

Bluestrips2']The main point I was trying to put across was that by teaching the kids more facts than fiction or fantasy would improve their potential.

It seems it would probably make them older quicker and use less imagination which yes would be bad thing.

Im still sure it could be changed for the better even just a bit to help improve the quality of knowledge they have in their brains.

Yes, but the most interesting thing about religion is how it all started, and how it affects people. It's history, if nothing else. It helps you to understand, and from there, to tolerate. Which is desperately needed in this world.

Goodness, that was preachy, wasn't it?

I am referencing Encyclopedia Britanica 2005 Edition. I do not mean that we use 10% of the brain. I mean we use 10% of our upper brain functions.

What has that got to do with this. And I'm british byb the way, a Yorkshire farmer. And the last sentence? What was that about.

i have no idea; i think i'm a little drunk...either that, or my keyboard is typing things i don't tell it toooooooooooooo....... hey! i saw those 0's bitch! stop typing what i don't tell you too

cheap shitty taiwany keyboards; so much fucking independence

what makes you born and bred? what makes this YOUR nation? have you ever fought for it; have you ever tried to make its economy great? what about charitable acts to the poor in this nation? we have lost sight of what a nation REALLY is-or why it is OUR nation.
Well, obviously born and bred is self-explanatory. He was born in the UK, and he was raised in the UK. In its culture, within its borders, on its soil. You know. The literal definition of "born and bred." Granted, it doesn't mean that the UK is HIS nation persay, but there are no requirements of "you must fight for this nation to be able to claim it as your homenation, or you must donate to its poor, etc." What about the lower class, working their tail off in some crappy job or farming the land, herding, what have ye, who have never and will never have the chance or the ability to fight for their nation, improve its economy, or donate to its poor? They're still members of the UK, right? Why it is your nation is because you love that nation, sympathize with it, and are connected to it in some way. I am a great russophile, but unfortuantely, I can't claim Russia as my country, since I don't know it as one who lives there would. Also unfrotunately, the US is still my nation, since I live here and associate with people in the States. In 20 years, when I've lived a good part of my life in Russia, and can associate with its people, culture, etc., then perhaps I may call it my nation. Unless you wanna be technical with citizenship and origins and ethnicities and crap.

Yes, but the most interesting thing about religion is how it all started, and how it affects people. It's history, if nothing else. It helps you to understand, and from there, to tolerate. Which is desperately needed in this world.

Goodness, that was preachy, wasn't it?

No not really mate ;)

Although we have stopped talking about it.

Off topic :- YES startrek: enterprise is on - I miss it every week YAY !

right; religion teachers thier believers that violence is wrong; it has however been the cause of almost ALL the suffering ever caused-racism was even policy in american churches (don't let the niggers in kind of shit)

if WE, as humans, as HOMO SAPIENS, just got on with life and unified (NOT UNDER ANY FLAG; WE ARE ONE PPL, NOT ANOTHER MANS DREAM) then we'd be OK!!!!!

and i AM NOT COMMUNIST! i DO NOT mean i class less society; we jsut need to be happy and stuff; like the Eli in that film-or perhaps we all need to be...ermmmm....less intelligent? you see, the less mentaly developed are always happy; we should just develope.....a super AI that lasts forever, to feed us, and then.....simply become stupid: look at the tale of george and lenny in john stienbaecks of mice and men: a clever person manipulated a less intelligently diligent one, and a death came about.

intelligence, is therefore, death.

Well, obviously born and bred is self-explanatory. He was born in the UK, and he was raised in the UK. In its culture, within its borders, on its soil. You know. The literal definition of "born and bred." Granted, it doesn't mean that the UK is HIS nation persay, but there are no requirements of "you must fight for this nation to be able to claim it as your homenation, or you must donate to its poor, etc." What about the lower class, working their tail off in some crappy job or farming the land, herding, what have ye, who have never and will never have the chance or the ability to fight for their nation, improve its economy, or donate to its poor? They're still members of the UK, right? Why it is your nation is because you love that nation, sympathize with it, and are connected to it in some way. I am a great russophile, but unfortuantely, I can't claim Russia as my country, since I don't know it as one who lives there would. Also unfrotunately, the US is still my nation, since I live here and associate with people in the States. In 20 years, when I've lived a good part of my life in Russia, and can associate with its people, culture, etc., then perhaps I may call it my nation. Unless you wanna be technical with citizenship and origins and ethnicities and crap.

Thats not what i meant at all.

you took it literally. and Russians are cool. its, like, TOTALLY for the MOTHERLAND ("da, comrade") :headbang:

Plus, if you're anything like me, you get a nutsy teacher whose incredible disproof of the Big Bang theory ran as follows:
"It was an explosion, right? And what do you need for an explosion? Oxygen! So where did the Oxygen come from?!"
The most worrying thing was that a few people in my class seemed to think this was an excellent point.
Anyway, they teach you it all to keep your mind open, so you don't become totally ignorant of the world around you.
Ouch. Are you serious? I would have pointed out that all the material in the universe was compressed into a tiny space, the laws of nature aren't really that applicable. Plus, it wasn't an explosion. Just an expansion.

I'm starting to wonder how many people use 0% of their brains.

I'm starting to wonder how many people use 0% of their brains.

The people who insist on supporting the ten-percent myth, for a start.

All public schools in Scotland (and I suspect Britain, but I can't be sure) teach Religious Education once a week. It's part of the curriculum. And while you are allowed your opinion of it being "shit", I think it's quite a good thing. It means we don't have all the scary crap being pumped out over in the US. Like the "Teach Creationism in Science classes!" nonsense. We do it in RE. Problem solved.

It just means we broaden our horizons a little.
Won't work, my school (which is public) doesn't teach creationism. It's in New York State, and we have to follow a state curriculum. It can be found here (http://www.regentsprep.org/Regents/biology/biology.cfm). Notice that there isn't one mention of creationism anywhere, even as a possibility (theories need evidence to be considered). Also notice that there is a very large unit on evolution (http://www.regentsprep.org/Regents/biology/units/evolution/index.cfm).

I realize some schools in the south and west are trying to get creationism taught. That is ridiculous and irresponsible. Religion has no place in a state run institution.

The only place in the entire New York State high school curriculum where religion is mentioned is in world history, and there the only things studied are like "who started the religion, how did it evolve, and what did it cause or effect".

Ouch. Are you serious? I would have pointed out that all the material in the universe was compressed into a tiny space, the laws of nature aren't really that applicable. Plus, it wasn't an explosion. Just an expansion.

Deadly serious. Yes, I would have pointed out how terribly wrong she was but, well...if you ever met her, you'd know. She's one of these people who can never be proved wrong, really. And this was after enduring 3 years of her crap; by this point, my brain had given up. I just went to sleep - it was last thing on a Wednesday afternoon! I wanted to be home!

Another one of her idiosyncrasies was showing us the "roots" of a lot of words. I don't know why she did it, really. And I'm sure that in 95% of the time she was making it all up. I just didn't argue with her.

Like I said, the most worrying thing was how many people seemed to think she was making sense.

Bluestrips2']No scientists have prooven we don't use all of our brain most of it sits dormant ..

yes actually we only use half of our brain while the other lays dormant. women on the other hand use both the left and right of their brains. do they are smarter than us ... AAAAHHHHH!

yes actually we only use half of our brain while the other lays dormant. women on the other hand use both the left and right of their brains. do they are smarter than us ... AAAAHHHHH!


Sorry my wording was in a reply to something else, damn my punctuation !!


No, scientists have prooven we don't use all of our brain most of it sits dormant ..


Thats what it should be

I believe fantasy should be taught more in schools. Years ago, in elementary school, I was incredibly unpopular, the classic stereotyped "shy kid who sits and reads in the corner". Gifted resource was a special class this girl Nora and I took once a week instead of our normal class. Nora and I were both obsessed with the Enchanted Forest Chronicles. She was very popular and pretty and extroverted, a natural leader, always surrounded by friends, etc. But on the days when it was just the two of us in gifted class, we would spend recess being Morwen and Kazul in the Enchanted Forest (really just the wooded area behind our school building). It suddenly didn't matter about any of the other stupid stuff like who was chucking kickballs at my head in gym class, that entire world could just disappear, the world where Nora and I were in different social classes and couldn't really relate. Suddenly all that mattered was finding the powdered hens' teeth for the fireproofing spell, or rescuing a little golden lizard called Suz in some made-up epic adventure. Our teacher would help us with this desire for an escape-world, and soon our adventures led us to brunch in ancient Egypt, murder-mystery parties, lots of Greek mythology...

The point of all of this is that fantasy is what takes you out of your stupid, boring, mundane life. We don't live for the things that happen. If all you had were things that happen, you'd probably have thrown yourself off a building by now. We live because of things that COULD happen, or things we manage, for a short time, to convince ourselves could happen. It brings people together, enriches our lives, lets us see magic in everyday things around us, lets us dream of escape in a life where escape is all too rare. And those adventures in the Enchanted Forest were the sole positive memory I still carry with me of my seven years in Weberwood Elementary.

If we could learn more about things that could happen, things that have happened, things we will never experience personally in our lives but that other people have... we'd all be happier, have something more important to think of than whatever boring office job you end up with, and have escape. In my opinion, that's the best present a school could give, and not enough importance is currently placed on it. Encourage independant and creative thinkers, people who write and tell stories, make up adventures and read about adventures others have made up.

And as far as religion, well, suffice to say I am neither incredibly conservative nor atheist, just not really sure what to believe right now, but many people take great comfort in their religion. It does help people and reassure them, and guide them in choices to make. Eternity is a very scary concept unless your beliefs are there to comfort you and make it sound better. These people, even if their beliefs aren't real, even if they're deluding themselves, deserve whatever comfort religion can bring them. That comfort should be offered to them by someone. I don't think it has much place in a school, however, but I'm also against making first graders say the Pledge of Allegiance every day before they're old enough to understand their political beliefs, or grasp the meaning of what they're saying.

I believe fantasy should be taught more in schools. Years ago, in elementary school, I was incredibly unpopular, the classic stereotyped "shy kid who sits and reads in the corner". Gifted resource was a special class this girl Nora and I took once a week instead of our normal class. Nora and I were both obsessed with the Enchanted Forest Chronicles. She was very popular and pretty and extroverted, a natural leader, always surrounded by friends, etc. But on the days when it was just the two of us in gifted class, we would spend recess being Morwen and Kazul in the Enchanted Forest (really just the wooded area behind our school building). It suddenly didn't matter about any of the other stupid stuff like who was chucking kickballs at my head in gym class, that entire world could just disappear, the world where Nora and I were in different social classes and couldn't really relate. Suddenly all that mattered was finding the powdered hens' teeth for the fireproofing spell, or rescuing a little golden lizard called Suz in some made-up epic adventure. Our teacher would help us with this desire for an escape-world, and soon our adventures led us to brunch in ancient Egypt, murder-mystery parties, lots of Greek mythology...

The point of all of this is that fantasy is what takes you out of your stupid, boring, mundane life. We don't live for the things that happen. If all you had were things that happen, you'd probably have thrown yourself off a building by now. We live because of things that COULD happen, or things we manage, for a short time, to convince ourselves could happen. It brings people together, enriches our lives, lets us see magic in everyday things around us, lets us dream of escape in a life where escape is all too rare. And those adventures in the Enchanted Forest were the sole positive memory I still carry with me of my seven years in Weberwood Elementary.

If we could learn more about things that could happen, things that have happened, things we will never experience personally in our lives but that other people have... we'd all be happier, have something more important to think of than whatever boring office job you end up with, and have escape. In my opinion, that's the best present a school could give, and not enough importance is currently placed on it. Encourage independant and creative thinkers, people who write and tell stories, make up adventures and read about adventures others have made up.

And as far as religion, well, suffice to say I am neither incredibly conservative nor atheist, just not really sure what to believe right now, but many people take great comfort in their religion. It does help people and reassure them, and guide them in choices to make. Eternity is a very scary concept unless your beliefs are there to comfort you and make it sound better. These people, even if their beliefs aren't real, even if they're deluding themselves, deserve whatever comfort religion can bring them. That comfort should be offered to them by someone. I don't think it has much place in a school, however, but I'm also against making first graders say the Pledge of Allegiance every day before they're old enough to understand their political beliefs, or grasp the meaning of what they're saying.

Beautiful. I'm actually typing with tears in my eyes. That is the most insightful and thoughtful thing I've ever seen posted on these boards... Also, sorta brings back memories too...
Ahem. Excuse the misty-eyed nostalgia and the like. I cannot agree more. We need more fantasy. We need more imagination.
Bravo, Downtherabbithole. You've made my day.

Aww, thanks Kalmykhia. I'm glad my post meant so much.

If I'm understanding the original post, the thread-originator suggests that greater focus on proven, factual things would lead to a greater usage of the brain than working with "fantasy" material. (I'm leery of anything "proven" or "factual", and one of the things I love about science is its willingness, and even eagerness, to disprove its own body of knowledge. The scientist without fantasy is like the explorer who doesn't want to get his/her feet wet).

However, I have some questions about the thread-originators assertion.

Technical errata relating to neuroplasticity aside, if the brain, and its abstraction, the "mind", can be viewed as an engine to examine, interpret, extrapolate, and manipulate information, how is this function encouraged or developed differently dependent on the veracity of the information? That is to say, if the brain works with ideas, why would interaction with an idea designated as "true" provide more impetus for activation of neural potential than idea designated as "false"? Isn't the arrival at this disctintion part of the function of the brain to begin with? A huge body of knowledge once held as "true" for generations is now regarded as false (although helpful in the framework of developing improved knowledge). For example, the "plum pudding" model of the atom, or the medical doctrine that the heart couldn't be operated on. Many of our present scientific models will eventually be proven limited or even completely false. So, if in those instances in which present science will eventually disprove (and thus improve) itself, is much of it still not "false" information?

Although computers are not a perfect analogy for the brain, imagine a computer that improves and develops its own hardware depending on the intensity of its usage. Why would running an advanced game provide less "excercise" than a progam processing data provided by real world devices? Ultimately, the computer doesn't really know the difference.

If a student spends hours studying mythology, then makes an insightful, probing, and original critique of those works, is he/she using less of his/her brain than someone who studies chemistry? More importantly, in terms of their comparative mental development, why would the chemistry student's mind need to activate a larger portion of its available resources? Essentially, I argue that working with "unreal" information, so long as it is explored with diligence and depth, does not provide inferior mental "excercise" than work with more concrete and obstensibly "verifiable" information.

For the record, I prefer chemistry, though.

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I agree with you completely. I feel that it doesn't really matter what you are being taught, so long as you are (and can either personally make the distinction between definite fact and potential myth, or are told so beforehand).

I agree with you completely. I feel that it doesn't really matter what you are being taught, so long as you are (and can either personally make the distinction between definite fact and potential myth, or are told so beforehand).

Yup. I sometimes wonder if most enduring myths don't contain some kind of figurative (as opposed to literal) truth, anyway.

Yup. I sometimes wonder if most enduring myths don't contain some kind of figurative (as opposed to literal) truth, anyway.

Probably. It's an interesting thing to ponder over. I know, certainly, that of the few myths I've looked into, they all tend to have some basis in reality. Which is what I think makes them both interesting and a good thing to be taught.

By "figurative truths" do you mean morals?

Bluestrips2'] No religous arguments - STAY ON TOPIC PLEASE - Thanks

Ok I argued about this with my mum the other day what do you guys think ..

The education system is all so wrong they teach kids things like - Jesus came back to life, Halloween and ghosts and SATAN !!

These things are all fantasy ( don't argue with the FACTS we don't have any for any side of the argument ! )

I can't remember the exact percentage but Im sure we only use 30% of our brain power, Surely if we taught the kids the facts about life based on prooven facts from scientists would they they not start using the full potential of their brains instead of pondering about ghosts, or god or whatever ??

Obviously teaching them the morals of life to be good, treat others with respect, don't kill animals or people etc ..

My mum said this would be taking away their youth and we should let them have their fun !

I think giving them full potential in this life is much more better than going on and on about things from the past with no FACTS for them to proove it, this will make the kids unstable.

Whenever we move backwards into the past it stops us moving forward.

Comments please.

AS I SAID NO RELIGOUS DEBATES - Thanks
LOL... No religous Debates yet the first half of the post insults Religious people by calling Religion a "Fantasy" that is the first shot in calling forth a Religious Debate. then you only want to teach 'Proven' facts... the problem is that with Science, there is very little 'Proven' fact. when I was in school, we were taught that Dinosaurs were reptiles, Quarks exsisted, Space is a complete Void... all 'Proven' facts, but now, Dinosaurs MAY be related more to Birds than Reptiles, Quarks never exsisted, and space isn't a complete void. what is 'proven' today may be disproven tomorrow.

and do not be so ready to discount 'Fantasy' for without imagination, Cars, Airplanes, Television, Medicine and even most foods won't exsist. Lasers were once thought only to exsist in the 'Buck Rodgers' serials... Pocket Comunicators a thing of 'Star Trek', Discoveries of new species a plotline in 'Comic Books' yet... they exsist now. and more inventions are being created every day.

Downtherabbithole, I was like that in school also. try to look for the song "Rainbow's End" It's not a 'normal' genre of music but I think you might relate to that song... I did.

By "figurative truths" do you mean morals?

not in particular, although I suppose a "moral" premise isn't precluded from what can be expressed in myth as "figurative" truth.

Rather, by figurative truth, I mean useful ideas that are contained within a mythical framework. For example, in many religions, the creation myth is cyclical, the world being born and destroyed, born and destroyed. So, while I don't necessarily buy the idea that there is a big mead hall full of Nordic warriors preparing to fight giants at the end of the world, the idea that creation/life/universe/whatever is subject to a repeating series of trends or oscillations of whatever sort is still worth examining.

Still, I would imagine a systematic study of various myth/legend systems probably would contain pervasive elements of "morality". I just feel we need to be careful with that, because its in that "morality" area that we may confuse "figurative" with "literal".

LOL... No religous Debates yet the first half of the post insults Religious people by calling Religion a "Fantasy" that is the first shot in calling forth a Religious Debate. then you only want to teach 'Proven' facts... the problem is that with Science, there is very little 'Proven' fact. when I was in school, we were taught that Dinosaurs were reptiles, Quarks exsisted, Space is a complete Void... all 'Proven' facts, but now, Dinosaurs MAY be related more to Birds than Reptiles, Quarks never exsisted, and space isn't a complete void. what is 'proven' today may be disproven tomorrow.
Last time I checkd, quarks still existed... :p But I agree, fantasy is madly important. We'd have no entertainment without it...

Last time I checkd, quarks still existed... :p But I agree, fantasy is madly important. We'd have no entertainment without it...really... last I heard, Quarks were returned to the realm of theory. Oh well, live and learn.