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Ok, so we've had several "If your son was gay what would you do?" threads, but here's something that hasn't really been asked yet.

If your son told you he was going to become a woman, what would you do?

I'm kinda asking for my own reference here

Do the same as I'd do if he said he was gay. Say "Oh."

Ok, so we've had several "If your son was gay what would you do?" threads, but here's something that hasn't really been asked yet.

If your son told you he was going to become a woman, what would you do?

I'm kinda asking for my own reference here
Are you asking because you want to become a woman?

I would hide all the scissors and knives in the house so he couldn't snip anything off. I'd send him to his room to watch some nice heterosexual porn while I dialed for one of those asian "massage" parlors where you get just more than just a massage if you know what I mean. If that didn't fill him with the normal lust of a horny teenager. I'd just say fuck it and ditch him somewhere and move to alaska or something.

Take him shopping, I guess...

Tell him that he is, by now, well aware that I disapprove of what he is about to do, but, by now, he is also well aware that I believe people should be free to live their own lives, and, assuming he is over eighteen, his life, and therefore the decision, is his to decide.

Ok, so we've had several "If your son was gay what would you do?" threads, but here's something that hasn't really been asked yet.

If your son told you he was going to become a woman, what would you do?

I'm kinda asking for my own reference here

Explain that I don't believe it's a true change, as it's merely aesthetics, since it's not at a molecular level, but if it made them happier in life, and they were certain, then I would support their decision.

id say "fine but im not going to pay for it!"

Love him. What else can you do?

Tell him that he is, by now, well aware that I disapprove of what he is about to do, but, by now, he is also well aware that I believe people should be free to live their own lives, and, assuming he is over eighteen, his life, and therefore the decision, is his to decide.

Just out of curiosity and ignorance, what IS the Christian point of view concerning crossgendered people? I mean, after they had the operation, they are technically the other sex, and in most cases not homosexual, so they should be ok, shouldn't they?

Are you asking because you want to become a woman?

I will answer that at some point (although many people on NS know what I will say)

I don't want to 'influence' in anyway what poeple answer.

Ok, so we've had several "If your son was gay what would you do?" threads, but here's something that hasn't really been asked yet.

If your son told you he was going to become a woman, what would you do?

I'm kinda asking for my own reference here
Well, I'd first be upset... it seems to me that a person should accept the way they were born and love themselves for that in spite of what they might like. Then I would have to wonder why on earth any man would actually wish to become a woman... and all the while I would try to support him in spite of myself.


That said, many parents would NOT be nearly as supportive as I imagine myself being. You should be absolutely sure this is something you want to do. You could be facing a harsh life of physical and emotional bullying from several other people if you decide to get the surgery. I wish you luck, Nadkor.

Just out of curiosity and ignorance, what IS the Christian point of view concerning crossgendered people? I mean, after they had the operation, they are technically the other sex, and in most cases not homosexual, so they should be ok, shouldn't they?
I believe that no amount of operating or hormone treatment can make you the opposite gender. In my mind, you are what you were born as.

I guess I always wanted a girl. It's his life, what have I got to say about the decisions my son makes? Protesting his choices would only inalienate him. Her.
Whatever.

Just out of curiosity and ignorance, what IS the Christian point of view concerning crossgendered people? I mean, after they had the operation, they are technically the other sex, and in most cases not homosexual, so they should be ok, shouldn't they?

Actually, most Christians who follow scripture view transgendered people as whichever sex they were born as. A man who has an operation to become a woman is still a man, and vise-versa with a woman. It's a more "etched in stone" situation than others, like, say, homosexuality ("You're born a wo/man, but you're not born gay" sorta thing).

That's the general viewpoint. I won't go deeper, as it begins to split and divide as you go into denominations and what not.

I believe that no amount of operating or hormone treatment can make you the opposite gender. In my mind, you are what you were born as.

Just for argument's sake here (and curiosity on my part), what about hermaphrodites?

I know that a fair number of countries won't recognise them as group, the parents have to decide the gender pretty much right after birth. This decision can then be followed by an operstion to exclude all further doubts... only the parents can of course make mistakes there.

Now I'm not saying the all crossgendered people are hermaphrodites, I'm just curious on your opinion.

Ok, so we've had several "If your son was gay what would you do?" threads, but here's something that hasn't really been asked yet.

If your son told you he was going to become a woman, what would you do?

I'm kinda asking for my own reference hereNothing. If he wants to do that, it's his choice, and I wouldn't stop him, although I doubt most people would be so open minded...

Actually, most Christians who follow scripture view transgendered people as whichever sex they were born as. A man who has an operation to become a woman is still a man, and vise-versa with a woman. It's a more "etched in stone" situation than others, like, say, homosexuality ("You're born a wo/man, but you're not born gay" sorta thing).

That's the general viewpoint. I won't go deeper, as it begins to split and divide as you go into denominations and what not.

You know, I like where this is going. ;)
So, say a man has that operation turning him into a woman but as a woman is actually a Lesbian... that would be ok then, wouldn't it?
It's not so far-fetched as you might think, my mother has a colleague at work who s just that. He had the operation about 5 years ago.

I'd congratulate him on making a difficult life choice, and figuring out how to solve the problem that his genes dealt to him. (I'm referring to how his brain chemistry is not suited to the sex he was born as, and is instead suited to the opposite sex. To phrase this in layman's terms, he's a woman in a man's body.)

Actually, most Christians who follow scripture view transgendered people as whichever sex they were born as.
Well, then, I would rather live in Iran than any Christian controlled country.

(not an attack on Christianity. Just the current (and historical) form of Christianity...Jesus taught tolerance, love for your fellow man, and humanity...Jesus was awesome...Christianity has yet to live up to that teaching)




And, in case you're wondering, yes, I am transgendered. I will become a woman as soon as I can. I have told several friends, I just need to, somehow, build up the courage to tell my family.

Well, I sure wouldn't go on NS and start a totally stupid thread about it.

You know, I like where this is going. ;)
So, say a man has that operation turning him into a woman but as a woman is actually a Lesbian... that would be ok then, wouldn't it?
It's not so far-fetched as you might think, my mother has a colleague at work who s just that. He had the operation about 5 years ago.

Not really. He'd go wrong by taking the operation in the first place. And, as a man (still), he'd be a heterosexual (still). At least, this being in the eyes of a Christian.

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And, in case you're wondering, yes, I am transgendered. I will become a woman as soon as I can. I have told several friends, I just need to, somehow, build up the courage to tell my family.
That's going to be rough, Nadkor. Tell me, what is the political situation in your family?

Not really. He'd go wrong by taking the operation in the first place. And, as a man (still), he'd be a heterosexual (still). At least, this being in the eyes of a Christian.

So, why would you regard this operation as being any different from, say, some regular baeuty surgery or the removal of an appendix?

Id tell him "not as long as you're living under my roof". If he still wants to do it after he moves out then thats up to him, I cant really stop him.

Not really. He'd go wrong by taking the operation in the first place. And, as a man (still), he'd be a heterosexual (still). At least, this being in the eyes of a Christian.
Have you asked Christ? How do you know what he thinks? After all, that should be the defining morality for Christianity...what Christ (and the Bible) defines.

I don't recall transsexuals being dealt with in the bible.

Well, then, I would rather live in Iran than any Christian controlled country.

(not an attack on Christianity. Just the current (and historical) form of Christianity...Jesus taught tolerance, love for your fellow man, and humanity...Jesus was awesome...Christianity has yet to live up to that teaching)




And, in case you're wondering, yes, I am transgendered. I will become a woman as soon as I can. I have told several friends, I just need to, somehow, build up the courage to tell my family.

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for tolerance. I wouldn't try stop my son or daughter from making the operation (so long as s/he was a legal adult). I would tell him or her that I wholeheartedly disagree with their decision, but that I love them enough to let them do what they wish, and that I would still love them afterwards. I would just ask in return that they would respect my belief that they would still be who they were before the operation, as I would respect that they believe that they won't be.

And, in case you're wondering, yes, I am transgendered. I will become a woman as soon as I can. I have told several friends, I just need to, somehow, build up the courage to tell my family.

Wishing you all the best there... that must be incredibly hard. I hope your family turns out more understanding and supportive then you give them credit for.
Are they very traditional or conservative?

That's going to be rough, Nadkor. Tell me, what is the political situation in your family?
About as liberal as a Northern Irish Unionist family can be.

Which, actually, is fairly liberal....but I don't think they would stetch quite that far.

Sucks just a bit.

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for tolerance. I wouldn't try stop my son or daughter from making the operation (so long as s/he was a legal adult). I would tell him or her that I wholeheartedly disagree with their decision, but that I love them enough to let them do what they wish, and that I would still love them afterwards. I would just ask in return that they would respect my belief that they would still be who they were before the operation, as I would respect that they believe that they won't be.
You honestly think gender or sexuality defines a person?

Wishing you all the best there... that must be incredibly hard. I hope your family turns out more understanding and supportive then you give them credit for.
Are they very traditional or conservative?
See my last post :p

Shoot him.
Then throw his body off a cliff into the sea at night, and just say he left home.

About as liberal as a Northern Irish Unionist family can be.

Which, actually, is fairly liberal....but I don't think they would stetch quite that far.

Sucks just a bit.

Give them time, then. Don't expect too much out of them straight away. After all, you had years to figure it all out and to reach a decision (at least I seriously hope that you gave yourself that much time), so don't expect them to be happy for you straight away. I think they'll come round and will accept it in the long run... :fluffle:

About as liberal as a Northern Irish Unionist family can be.

Which, actually, is fairly liberal....but I don't think they would stetch quite that far.

Sucks just a bit.
Well, I think they will have their issues with it, but they will probably make an effort to at least appear to support you... which is saying something, at least... but I don't know them as well as you would, and I could easily be wrong.

I would just ask in return that they would respect my belief that they would still be who they were before the operation, as I would respect that they believe that they won't be.
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Hmm. I think that the assumption that they think they 'won't be the same person' is a bit troublesome. I don't know about everybody, but I know that for at least some, the whole transsexual thing is about doing what feels right to them, not about changing into somebody else.

So, why would you regard this operation as being any different from, say, some regular baeuty surgery or the removal of an appendix?

Because removing an appendix doesn't have any symbolical value. Removing (or adding) genetalia does. By changing those genetalia, you're implying a symbolical change (and literal to some), which implies disatisfaction with who you were born as.

"For You formed my inward parts, You covered me in my mother's womb. I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Marvelous are Your works, And that my soul knows very well. My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth, Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed. And in Your book they were all written, The days fashioned for me, When as yet there were none of them."

This implies that God already had what He wanted you to be in mind when you were made in the womb. To change that would change what He made you as,and His plans for you.

Shoot him.
Then throw his body off a cliff into the sea at night, and just say he left home.
It must be nice when your own opinions on right and wrong personal choices to make are more important than the lives of other humans.

I'd be nice but still try to talk him outta it...

Well, then, I would rather live in Iran than any Christian controlled country.

(not an attack on Christianity. Just the current (and historical) form of Christianity...Jesus taught tolerance, love for your fellow man, and humanity...Jesus was awesome...Christianity has yet to live up to that teaching)




And, in case you're wondering, yes, I am transgendered. I will become a woman as soon as I can. I have told several friends, I just need to, somehow, build up the courage to tell my family.
are you dependant on them for anything beyond love and support? if you are, work in independance before you tell them.

maybe you can start with a sibling and then get that person to hint at it to mom and dad?

First of all, its your choice to become a trans. Why do you want to do it though, I'm curious on your feelings. :confused:

You honestly think gender or sexuality defines a person?

Not fully no. It defines what God made you as. To change that would change what God had planned for you.

All in all, to me, it's just the flesh. The spirit has neither sex nor gender (in my belief). I probably won't make it a huge deal should the situation arise, although yes, I would be disappointed in the choice to change what God fashioned for them. There won't be any casting out or forsaking--that's not Godly at all.

Because removing an appendix doesn't have any symbolical value. Removing (or adding) genetalia does. By changing those genetalia, you're implying a symbolical change (and literal to some), which implies disatisfaction with who you were born as.



This implies that God already had what He wanted you to be in mind when you were made in the womb. To change that would change what He made you as,and His plans for you.

So you would oppose a nose job on the same grounds?
To me, the one part of the bible that seems applicable here is Jesus' story about the talents. You were given something by god, but you are supposed to work with it, change it, increase it's worth... so, if you feel that changing your gender will improve yourself, will make your life better for you and others (simply because you can interact with others in a very different way when you are in harmony with yourself), will give you the feeling for yourself that you currently lack, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't do it, really.

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Hmm. I think that the assumption that they think they 'won't be the same person' is a bit troublesome. I don't know about everybody, but I know that for at least some, the whole transsexual thing is about doing what feels right to them, not about changing into somebody else.

Yes, I agree. That was a bit too vague, and I apologize for that. There are differing opinions on the matter from one transgender to the next, and I don't mean to generalize the situation. All I meant to say was that I would hope that he/she would respect my beliefs of the matter, as I would give the same respect to them.

It must be nice when your own opinions on right and wrong personal choices to make are more important than the lives of other humans.

I created him, so if he turns out to be a screwup, I can end him, that is my right as a father.

Not fully no. It defines what God made you as. To change that would change what God had planned for you.

All in all, to me, it's just the flesh. The spirit has neither sex nor gender (in my belief). I probably won't make it a huge deal should the situation arise, although yes, I would be disappointed in the choice to change what God fashioned for them. There won't be any casting out or forsaking--that's not Godly at all.

How do you know god didn't intend for him to change it? After all, according to Christian belief, he not only shaped his body, but his soul as well. So he must have place the indentification as a woman in there somewhere as well.

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To be perfectly honest, as much as I like Jesus for his message of love and tolerance, I couldn't care less what the rest of the bible says.

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I don't think I've said it, but I admire you alot.


are you dependant on them for anything beyond love and support? if you are, work in independance before you tell them.
I rely on them for almost everything. I live at home, they pay my uni fees etc...even if i distanced myself, I couldn't afford to stay at university (which I really want to do) and to live away from them. I would be one or the other, and I'm not giving up my education.

maybe you can start with a sibling and then get that person to hint at it to mom and dad?
Hah, yea right. My brothers much more than mildly homophobic...and bigger than me. He would probably kick the crap out of me.

First of all, its your choice to become a trans. Why do you want to do it though, I'm curious on your feelings.
This is no choice. If I had a choice I would not be transgendered. I cant explain my feelings.






Then again, I dont want me to take over the thread, I want other peoples opinions on the first post.

I'd sell him to the circus as a bearded lady .

I created him, so if he turns out to be a screwup, I can end him, that is my right as a father.
You have no such right.

I created him, so if he turns out to be a screwup, I can end him, that is my right as a father.
Kindly do us all a favor and go jump off of a bridge.

That said, all this argument about god seems to be missing one thing. What if god wants you to be a transsexual? I don't recall a prohibition in the bible against changing gender, so it's god's will. How can you question that?

Well, if that's what he truly wants, I would support him. I might not be able to understand his decision, but it wouldn't stop me loving him.

i would sodomize him/her all the same

I created him, so if he turns out to be a screwup, I can end him, that is my right as a father.

No.

It doesn't work that way. There is no fatherly right of termination, (aside from the fact it's the woman that actually formed the fetus, carried it, and gave birth to the child) and you would be guilty of murder.

So you would oppose a nose job on the same grounds?
To me, the one part of the bible that seems applicable here is Jesus' story about the talents. You were given something by god, but you are supposed to work with it, change it, increase it's worth... so, if you feel that changing your gender will improve yourself, will make your life better for you and others (simply because you can interact with others in a very different way when you are in harmony with yourself), will give you the feeling for yourself that you currently lack, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't do it, really.

I will go ahead and say that I'm disappointed that the world is in such a state where the only "acceptable" look for someone is lean, ripped, and chisled. I would hope that it will not always be this way, and we can gain more acceptance for those who are not as "ideal" as some would like them to be.

As for increasing worth, and looking into Jesus' story of the Talents, let's look at it so others know what we're talking about:

"For it is like a man, going into another country, who called his own servants, and entrusted his goods to them. To one he gave five talents, to another two, to another one; to each according to his own ability. Then he went on his journey. Immediately he who received the five talents went and traded with them, and made another five talents. In like manner he also who got the two gained another two. But he who received the one went away and dug in the earth, and hid his lord’s money. "Now after a long time the lord of those servants came, and reconciled accounts with them. He who received the five talents came and brought another five talents, saying, ‘Lord, you delivered to me five talents. Behold, I have gained another five talents besides them.’ "His lord said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a few things, I will set you over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’ "He also who got the two talents came and said, ‘Lord, you delivered to me two talents. Behold, I have gained another two talents besides them.’ "His lord said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a few things, I will set you over many things. Enter into the joy of your lord.’ "He also who had received the one talent came and said, ‘Lord, I knew you that you are a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you did not scatter. I was afraid, and went away and hid your talent in the earth. Behold, you have what is yours.’ "But his lord answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant. You knew that I reap where I didn’t sow, and gather where I didn’t scatter. You ought therefore to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received back my own with interest. Take away therefore the talent from him, and give it to him who has the ten talents. For to everyone who has will be given, and he will have abundance, but from him who has not, even that which he has will be taken away. Throw out the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’"

Now, I can see what you're saying and how you would come to such a conclusion, but think of it this way. This story was told in order for us to see how to use God's abilities and blessings that He gave to us to His own betterment. Our abilities and blessings are to be used to benefit His purposes in the kingdom. Regardless of results, those who make conscious use of their abilities to bless God's purposes are equally rewarded, as shown by the same praise to the man who gained only two talents in comparison to the man who gained five.

Gender and sex, in my opinion, are not what I would consider "blessings". Instead, they are where we would be the startings of what we do to bless God, as one sex may be more capable in some areas than the other sex. We are given boundaries, and are expected to work within those boundaries, expanding, investing, and bettering what we are assigned to do.

Hope that makes sense...

(Anyway, I'm off to watch the Fantastic Four. I'll come back and reply, should anyone decide to reply to this. *cookies to everyone*)

You have no such right.

Yes I do, what I give, I can just as easily take away.
And theres nothing you could do, to stop me either.
Ah the power of being in the right to decide. :)

I rely on them for almost everything. I live at home, they pay my uni fees etc...even if i distanced myself, I couldn't afford to stay at university (which I really want to do) and to live away from them. I would be one or the other, and I'm not giving up my education.


Hah, yea right. My brothers much more than mildly homophobic...and bigger than me. He would probably kick the crap out of me.

honestly, i wouldnt tell them right now. i know it must feel wrong but its not like you can get the surgery done before you finish your education, its very expensive. do what will work best for you, dont tell them.

it may be that in the next few years they will come to the realization that you are "different" and that its not such a bad thing.

Yes I do, what I give, I can just as easily take away.
And theres nothing you could do, to stop me either.
Ah the power of being in the right to decide. :)

You are aware that only God could do such a thing?


Yes, we can stop you. It's called arrest and imprisonment.

Yes I do, what I give, I can just as easily take away.
And theres nothing you could do, to stop me either.
Ah the power of being in the right to decide. :)
You'd be arrested for first degree murder and most likely imprisoned for life or worse. Prisoners don't like child killers.

No.
It doesn't work that way. There is no fatherly right of termination, (aside from the fact it's the woman that actually formed the fetus, carried it, and gave birth to the child) and you would be guilty of murder.

I dont care about the stupid laws, or your stupid view on fetus before birth, then baby soon as it breaches.
The womans only got it in her because I put it there.
Therefore I started it, and therefore if it turns out to be a fuckup, I can end it.

honestly, i wouldnt tell them right now. i know it must feel wrong but its not like you can get the surgery done before you finish your education, its very expensive. do what will work best for you, dont tell them.
Well, I have the NHS to cover many of the costs....

it may be that in the next few years they will come to the realization that you are "different" and that its not such a bad thing.
Well, maybe not. I appear to have mastered the art of acting the character of a teenage male.

I believe that no amount of operating or hormone treatment can make you the opposite gender. In my mind, you are what you were born as.

If you did a little research on transgendered individuals, you'd know that gender is far more complicated then what you're born as.

I dont care about the stupid laws, or your stupid view on fetus before birth, then baby soon as it breaches.
The womans only got in her because I put it there.
Therefore I started it, and therefore if it turns out to be a fuckup, I can end it.
Okay, folks, let's ignore White... he's either a puppet, a troll, or both.

I dont care about the stupid laws, or your stupid view on fetus before birth, then baby soon as it breaches.
The womans only got it in her because I put it there.
Therefore I started it, and therefore if it turns out to be a fuckup, I can end it.
Ignored...

I dont care about the stupid laws, or your stupid view on fetus before birth, then baby soon as it breaches.
The womans only got it in her because I put it there.
Therefore I started it, and therefore if it turns out to be a fuckup, I can end it.

No. Learn some biology, troll. You're only 1/2 of the child's genes.

You'd be arrested for first degree murder and most likely imprisoned for life or worse. Prisoners don't like child killers.

No shit.
I wouldnt kill a child either.
And what makes you think they would know I did it, like I said, as far as anyone knows, he just left home unexpectedly and I havent seen him since.

Yes I do, what I give, I can just as easily take away.
And theres nothing you could do, to stop me either.
Apart from, like, the law....

No. Learn some biology, troll. You're only 1/2 of the child's genes.

So.

Okay, folks, let's ignore White... he's either a puppet, a troll, or both.

Oh, but he's such a tempting troll...

And what makes you think they would know I did it, like I said, as far as anyone knows, he just left home unexpectedly and I havent seen him since.Yeah, good thing killing people doesn't leave any evidence behind, like blood, or that'd put a real big hole in your plan.

Oh, but he's such a tempting troll...
Eh... he's a'ight, dog, but I'm not really feeling y'know?

Therefore I started it, and therefore if it turns out to be a fuckup, I can end it.
Too bad your father didn't have the same mentality when you were young.

Apart from, like, the law....

I dont take the laws that seriously anymore.

So.

Exactly my point.

Exactly my point.

I didnt mean it like that.

Too bad your father didn't have the same mentality when you were young.

Or yours harhar

I dont take the law seriously anymore.
That's a pity, because the law (despite my views on the state and how it relies on oppression to exist) is fairly powerful these days.

You kill your son because he's transgendered, and many people will make sure you see justice.

Yeah, good thing killing people doesn't leave any evidence behind, like blood, or that'd put a real big hole in your plan.

My plans are abit more planned than you like to think.
teehee.

That's a pity, because the law (despite my views on the state and how it relies on oppression to exist) is fairly powerful these days.
You kill your son because he's transgendered, and many people will make sure you see justice.

So you like the law when it suits you?
Same here I guess, although Im finding less in common with it as time goes on.
Many people would probably not give a shit.

Come on People! First off, if i had a child (or a person i know) who wanted to change sexes. I would tell s/he that i'm fine with it, but is it what you really want? But they may have thought it a while and go through with it.

By the way, how does it affect you? Like come on, its the same person with a differnt appearance. Its like calling a rose "spazz." It will smell the same! Its for the same for the homophobics. Why does it bother you so much?

How did this thread go from Bush to sex changes???

So you like the law when it suits you?
Same here I guess
Well, I like laws when they correspond with my own personal political views.

Other laws like...say, banning smoking completely in pubs I am against.

I am a limited Libertarian Socialist....I will agree with most of it, but enough of it is against my beliefs for me not to be a "member"

Come on People! First off, if i had a child (or a person i know) who wanted to change sexes. I would tell s/he that i'm fine with it, but is it what you really want? But they may have thought it a while and go through with it.

By the way, how does it affect you? Like come on, its the same person with a differnt appearance. Its like calling a rose "spazz." It will smell the same! Its for the same for the homophobics. Why does it bother you so much?

How did this thread go from Bush to sex changes???
Um... if you think this thread started on the subject of Bush, you are getting multiple threads confused. This thread has always been on the subject of sex changes.

How did this thread go from Bush to sex changes???
....it didn't :confused:

Oops my bad. I was reading another post, and i got here. Sorry for the mix up about my mistake :headbang:

I still stand by my opponion

Oops my bad. I was reading another post, and i got here. Sorry for the mix up about my mistake :headbang:

I still stand by my opponion
I stand by my "opp-onion", too. :p

(Future reference: the spelling is actually "opinion".)

:headbang:

Well, I like laws when they correspond with my own personal political views.
Other laws like...say, banning smoking completely in pubs I am against.
I am a limited Libertarian Socialist....I will agree with most of it, but enough of it is against my beliefs for me not to be a "member"

Im pretty law abiding, and I'll back my government if their Conservative all the way, however I feel their has been way too much government interferance with familys lately, its not like you are married to just a woman anymore, its like your also married to the government.
And whether I'm judged right or wrong by my peers, I'll stand by my right to end anything I help bring into this world, if it turns out wrong.

Whitepowers, if your child cannot help but to feel the way they do... why does it bother you so much? The only reason is that when you see your child you see nothing but a reflection of you and others' opinions of you. We do not have children to start a cult of personality. We have children to love them. Nadkor, for one, does NOT want to put his parents through it. But if he feels that miserable, there is no other way to go

Im pretty law abiding, and I'll back my government if their Conservative all the way, however I feel their has been way too much government interferance with familys lately, its not like you are married to just a woman anymore, its like your also married to the government.
And whether I'm judged right or wrong by my peers, I'll stand by my right to end anything I help bring into this world, if it turns out wrong.
Does that mean that your father or mother (if they are still alive, my most sincere condolences if they aren't) should legally be allowed to kill you?

Origininally posted by Whitepowers:

Im pretty law abiding, and I'll back my government if their Conservative all the way, however I feel their has been way too much government interferance with familys lately, its not like you are married to just a woman anymore, its like your also married to the government.
And whether I'm judged right or wrong by my peers, I'll stand by my right to end anything I help bring into this world, if it turns out wrong.

Behold, the LORD came down and said to them "I am your LORD, CREATOR, ALPHA AND OMEGA. Or you can call me Whitepowers."

Whitepowers, if your child cannot help but to feel the way they do... why does it bother you so much? The only reason is that when you see your child you see nothing but a reflection of you and others' opinions of you. We do not have children to start a cult of personality. We have children to love them. Nadkor, for one, does NOT want to put his parents through it. But if he feels that miserable, there is no other way to go

I dont give a shit, thats his problem not mine.

Does that mean that your father or mother (if they are still alive, my most sincere condolences if they aren't) should legally be allowed to kill you?

I never bought legalitys into this.
The legal system didnt create us did it?

Behold, the LORD came down and said to them "I am your LORD, CREATOR, ALPHA AND OMEGA. Or you can call me Whitepowers."

Exactly, Im the lords creation through man and woman, and he or whatever can do the same to me.

I never bought legalitys into this.
The legal system didnt create us did it?
OK, Does that mean that your father or mother (if they are still alive, my most sincere condolences if they aren't) should be allowed to kill you if they don't approve of what you do?

OK, Does that mean that your father or mother (if they are still alive, my most sincere condolences if they aren't) should be allowed to kill you if they don't approve of what you do?

If what your doing is pretty bad, yeah.

Ok, so we've had several "If your son was gay what would you do?" threads, but here's something that hasn't really been asked yet.

If your son told you he was going to become a woman, what would you do?

I'm kinda asking for my own reference here

I think I would be shocked at first but then be like, okay.

It would be kind of like this 'Ohh' *a minute passes* 'okay'

I think I would be shocked at first but then be like, okay.
It would be kind of like this 'Ohh' *a minute passes* 'okay'

:confused: what kind of father are you?
You sound like a complete flake, a weakling whos soft little words and harmless opinions waft away and evaporate unnoticed. Im surprised(scenario) he even bothered to tell you.
You sound like a snag, the worst fathers ever seen, they dont even deserve the title.

I would say "Are you sure about it?" and since he would prolly say yes I'd then say "Well do you have enough money to afford the surgery?" and he would prolly say yes, if he didn't I'd loan him a little cash. He is my son (soon to be daughter), and I support him as long as he stays of illegal drugs, and stays out of trouble. (I'm 14 I don't think I need to worry about this for a loooong time)

He is my son (soon to be daughter)

laughs hysterically- your a riot man.

Rather annoyed and against it. But I'm not going to stop him. I'm not going to hate him either. I dunno, I hope I never have to go through that.

i can beat my son 3 ways to sunday, and on that sunday, take him to church and make him feel guilty, beat his wanting-to-be-a-girl self home and if he does change/call child services, police etc. id bash his legs till he was a cripple. :mad:

He wouldnt be welcome in my home wearing drag, and I wouldnt condone it while he lives under my roof, but if thats what he wants to do on his own time once he has moved out, theres nothing I can do to stop him.

Make sure he'd made his decision carefully and thoroughly...it's a tough thing to reverse. I'd probably also be somewhat weirded out.

My plans are abit more planned than you like to think.
teehee.
Then your plans suck. Look at this thread. You left all this evidence. Tracking someone down by virtue of their IP address isn't that hard.

Well, first off, I'd beat him round the head with a french stick til his ears bled. Then we'd spend the day watching Westerns. ESPECIALLY westerns with John Wayne. and if that didn't cure him, I'd personally shove corn up his nose for 3 hours.



Or, alternatively, support them as much as they felt comfortable with. it's not a choice you make on a whim, after all. OK, so I'm a bit biased from personal experience, but meh-heh :D

Just for argument's sake here (and curiosity on my part), what about hermaphrodites?

I know that a fair number of countries won't recognise them as group, the parents have to decide the gender pretty much right after birth. This decision can then be followed by an operstion to exclude all further doubts... only the parents can of course make mistakes there.

Now I'm not saying the all crossgendered people are hermaphrodites, I'm just curious on your opinion.
I do not pretend to understand what it must be like to give birth to a hermaphrodite and have to make that decision. I only know that it must be a very sad occurrence. I tend to view it like any other birth defect, and for now, I’m putting it on the long list of questions to ask God in Heaven some day. Oh, and yes, I know that sounds naïve.

If your son was.....
Id be more disapointed than if he was gay.

I've got a little further question on this:

What if it wasyour daughter coming to you to tell you she wants to be a man?

I've got a little further question on this:

What if it wasyour daughter coming to you to tell you she wants to be a man?
Do they have a procedure for that? I’m not saying they don’t. I’m just not sure if they do.

Anyway, for me, the same applies. Though, I admit, it somehow seems to cause more hypothetical regret and sorrow.

Yes they do, but it is unfortunately not quite as sophisticated as MTF surgery. it's more difficult and there's less demand.

I would be just the same, I believe. Except I'd realise that I couldn't be of asmuch assistance as I could be with an MtF.

Just out of curiosity and ignorance, what IS the Christian point of view concerning crossgendered people? I mean, after they had the operation, they are technically the other sex, and in most cases not homosexual, so they should be ok, shouldn't they?

Although sex change operations are not specifically mentioned in Scripture, human sexuality is spelled out clearly. Starting in Genesis 1:27, "So God created people in his own image; God patterned them after himself; male and female he created them. God blessed them and told them, multiply and fill the earth and subdue it. Be masters over the fish and birds and all the animals. And God said, Look! I have given you the seed-bearing plants throughout the earth and all the fruit trees for your food. And I have given all the grasses and other green plants to the animals and birds for their food. And so it was. Then God looked over all he had made, and he saw that it was excellent in every way. This all happened on the sixth day" (Genesis 1:27-31, NLT).



On the sixth day of creation God created people in his own image. It says in verse 31 that his creation was excellent in every way. To say that a sex change is okay is to say that when God created an individual that God made a mistake. Those who have given testimony to having a sex change almost always say the same thing. "I was made a woman but put in a mans body" or "I was made a man but put in a woman's body". To say this you have to say that God made a mistake and God says about his creation that it was excellent in every way so God is saying that he made man to be man and women to be women.

Do they have a procedure for that? I’m not saying they don’t. I’m just not sure if they do.

Anyway, for me, the same applies. Though, I admit, it somehow seems to cause more hypothetical regret and sorrow.

They do. I understand to procedure and hormonal treatment is mostly similar, and the operation is actually a lot easier than the other way round.

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Although sex change operations are not specifically mentioned in Scripture, human sexuality is spelled out clearly. Starting in Genesis 1:27, "So God created people in his own image; God patterned them after himself; male and female he created them. God blessed them and told them, multiply and fill the earth and subdue it. Be masters over the fish and birds and all the animals. And God said, Look! I have given you the seed-bearing plants throughout the earth and all the fruit trees for your food. And I have given all the grasses and other green plants to the animals and birds for their food. And so it was. Then God looked over all he had made, and he saw that it was excellent in every way. This all happened on the sixth day" (Genesis 1:27-31, NLT).



On the sixth day of creation God created people in his own image. It says in verse 31 that his creation was excellent in every way. To say that a sex change is okay is to say that when God created an individual that God made a mistake. Those who have given testimony to having a sex change almost always say the same thing. "I was made a woman but put in a mans body" or "I was made a man but put in a woman's body". To say this you have to say that God made a mistake and God says about his creation that it was excellent in every way so God is saying that he made man to be man and women to be women.

So, you are saying changing your sexual identity is bad because god intended you to be male/female and that should never be changed?
To put that into another context, are dogs bad?
You see, god only created wolves. Dogs were selected and bred by humans, it's a species we created ourselves, by corrupting gods creation, the wolf. :confused:
The same is true for many more things regarding gods creation. So, we are allowed to change all and everything apart from ourselves?

Start pick a new name

My plans are abit more planned than you like to think.
teehee.

I'd very much like to see that. So far, you've displayed no sign of intelligence, so I see no reason to believe you'd be able to get away with anything. Besides, you're stated MO was "shoot him". Do you really think it is possible to remove all traces of a shooting? Think again.

And furthermore, you're stated reason seems to be that something is "wrong", or "broken". Well, since, as you so helpfully pointed out, you made him, that makes you not only intellectually limited, but incompetent also. I think that, assuming he is "broken", you should lose the right to choose. He is obviously putting things right on his own, so I don't see why you should care.

As for you're claim about the right to deletion of your son, well. I hereby claim that, since I am obviously your intellectual superior by far and benefit society a lot more than you could possibly do, I have the right to nullify you for the benefit to society.

I'm assuming you're a puppet, since I refuse to believe, despite evidence to the contrary, that people <b>that</b> stupid actually exist.

But answers to barely literate bufoons aside, I'd like to answer the original question.

I don't really see how it would be possible not to support one's son. Firstly, his body is just that, his. It is his choice which gender he feels is the one suited to him and to his life. No person has any right to decide over any other save through democratically elected authority. Any person who believes otherwise is setting himself and his society on a slippery path that leads rapidly to unbelievably harsh conditions. For everyone.

Secondly, I don't see how one can manage not to accept him as he is. Love is not about wanting to keep what it is you have, whether it is a relationship or a prized possession; that's greed and fear disguised as love. Love is about accepting and about recognizing that sooner or later people move on, whether through death or through changing friendships. All you do by clinging to and attempting to artificially preserve his "male" self is shorten that relationship.

Thirdly, I would like to remind people that her personality is no different after the operation than his was before. After all, the operation is being made to make the body suit the personality that was already there. The only difference is that the person would be happier, being in the shape they were meant to be.

And finally, there are people out there who unfortunately don't see things like that. One should take such people into account, but one cannot let them dictate your actions. It's like terrorism. If Londoners stopped taking the tube after the bombings of these two weeks, the terrorists would have achieved their goals. The only way to stop terrorism is by using investigative methods (not war) to find the culprits and otherwise ignore it. The same is true of those who don't believe in right to free choice for others than themselves (Whitepower.) The way to show them how little such opinions really are valued is to ignore them.

So, you are saying changing your sexual identity is bad because god intended you to be male/female and that should never be changed?
To put that into another context, are dogs bad?
You see, god only created wolves. Dogs were selected and bred by humans, it's a species we created ourselves, by corrupting gods creation, the wolf. :confused:
The same is true for many more things regarding gods creation. So, we are allowed to change all and everything apart from ourselves?

That is what most Christians would say. I do not agree with it myself, but the question asked was "What is the Christian Point of View" not my point of view. I am a Christian, although I feel that the Bible has been greatly misunderstood.

I call myself a Practical Christian Theorist, which is a mix of Roman Catholic (my original faith in which I was baptised) and Evangalism (known as Christ Church).

I just wanted you to realise that these are not my opinions, but what the Bible says and the main interpretation of it is.

Myself personally, I would make sure my son knew what he was doing, make him aware of both the positive and negative aspects of what he wishes to do and then let him do what he wants.

I would not give him the money, not because I am evil, but for one simple reason. If he really wants to do it, he'll find a way of getting the money. If he ca't be bothered to get the money, well, perhaps he doesn't want it that badly. If he cannot raise the money, but he never gives up, I would eventually give him some money so he can do what he wants...

And breathe...

Kill HIM! Like what a good Christian would do.

J/k

Btw, J/k = Joking. Just in case you misunderstood me.

On the sixth day of creation God created people in his own image. It says in verse 31 that his creation was excellent in every way. To say that a sex change is okay is to say that when God created an individual that God made a mistake. Those who have given testimony to having a sex change almost always say the same thing. "I was made a woman but put in a mans body" or "I was made a man but put in a woman's body". To say this you have to say that God made a mistake and God says about his creation that it was excellent in every way so God is saying that he made man to be man and women to be women.
How do you know that this hypothetical god didn't make the person transgendered as some kind of test on the person? How do you know that it isn't "God"s intention to have the person change their sex?

Have you asked him?

Ok, so we've had several "If your son was gay what would you do?" threads, but here's something that hasn't really been asked yet.

If your son told you he was going to become a woman, what would you do?

I'm kinda asking for my own reference here

Tell him to wait until the surgeries and techniques were much better than they are today, if he can.

hm tricky question.

first of all i doubt i will ever get an offspring.
one reason is that i am transsexual myself (born male and still male) and dont want to use that "thing" to produce offspring.

the other is that i have gotten an increasingly foul mood for this reason and would probably lash out at anything close and convenient (another perfect reason not to get kids)

but if i had a son and/or daughter wanting to change their sex i would probably understand them better then most. hell if i hadnt already there would be a large chance i would change my sex at the same time.

as for the money issue that depends on how much money i had that i felt i didnt need. but i think it would be best if he/she collected it him/herself.

i would naturally share whatever information i have about the procedure first.

That is what most Christians would say. I do not agree with it myself, but the question asked was "What is the Christian Point of View" not my point of view. I am a Christian, although I feel that the Bible has been greatly misunderstood.

I call myself a Practical Christian Theorist, which is a mix of Roman Catholic (my original faith in which I was baptised) and Evangalism (known as Christ Church).

I just wanted you to realise that these are not my opinions, but what the Bible says and the main interpretation of it is.

Myself personally, I would make sure my son knew what he was doing, make him aware of both the positive and negative aspects of what he wishes to do and then let him do what he wants.

I would not give him the money, not because I am evil, but for one simple reason. If he really wants to do it, he'll find a way of getting the money. If he ca't be bothered to get the money, well, perhaps he doesn't want it that badly. If he cannot raise the money, but he never gives up, I would eventually give him some money so he can do what he wants...

And breathe...

Thank you for your opinion, I really appreciate it.
I found that it's generally very difficult to pinpoint "the Christian opinion" on most topics, as Christinas themselves tend to disagree wildly on extreme questions like these.

Personally, I'm Catholic (coming from a strong Jesuit tradition) and I would help my child.
I wouldn't provide all the money for the operation, but I sure would contribute.
I would imagine, though, that I would know my child well enough to know by the time he/she comes of age and decides to have that operation if the desicion is thought through and serious. I would see myself as a parental failure if my child came up to me one day out of the blue telling me he/she is crossgendered. I hope I would be that kind of parent the child can talk to before making the desicion, the kind of parent who would be involved in the child's development and therefore wouldn't really too surprised to find out about the child's sexuality.

Then again, I don't have kids and I don't really want to have any, so I'm talking hypothetically here ;)

I'd be shocked at first, not in an 'omg die' kind of way, just in an 'oh' kind of way.

I'd try all talk him and her through the decision, and make sure it's really what they want. That's really what parents are for, right? Nagging until they get the truth out.

After that I'd be completely supportive.

And they do have a procedure for a woman who wants to become a man, basically they take the skin off your forearm and... Yeah, my bio teacher mentioned something about pumping it up with air or something...

I never really like that woman, she didn't teach us much during sex ed, she really just freaked us out. She basically told us that she talks to her 6 year old kid and tells him that he was a really good swimmer, since you know, it's rough terrain in the womb.

Bad memories.

I would say "I'm proud of you, defying the social construct of gender and daring to threaten the privileges of patriarchial conservatives".

"A rose by any other name will smell just as sweet"

No one has answered this question yet, since christians are against people becomiong other genders and being gay, what are their views on HERMAPHRADITES? Who are they suposed to be with eh? A man or a woman, what are they suposed to consider themselves?

Where's your god damned allmighty answer to that?!?

No one has answered this question yet, since christians are against people becomiong other genders and being gay, what are their views on HERMAPHRADITES? Who are they suposed to be with eh? A man or a woman, what are they suposed to consider themselves?

Where's your god damned allmighty answer to that?!?

You would probably get a response: "Well they are wrong because jesus said so"

Look I gave up demanding answers from christian fundamentalists a long time ago.

don't you people have more important things to do then to discuss what would you do if your son had a sex change ?! come on people...

but while I'm here...

I consider myself catholic though I couldn't make any good arguments for anything, I'm just not the best at discussing... but hell, I know one thing, even if I wanted to I would never have a sex change or have gay sex because I know its plain immoral and dirty

even if I wanted to I would never have a sex change or have gay sex because I know its plain immoral and dirty

:rolleyes:

don't you people have more important things to do then to discuss what would you do if your son had a sex change ?! come on people...
You know, it's funny, but no I don't.

but hell, I know one thing, even if I wanted to I would never have a sex change or have gay sex because I know its plain immoral and dirty

You only "know" this because that's what you were told by whatever hatred-spreading fundamentalist brainwashers you were raised by.

No one has answered this question yet, since christians are against people becomiong other genders and being gay, what are their views on HERMAPHRADITES? Who are they suposed to be with eh? A man or a woman, what are they suposed to consider themselves?
Where's your god damned allmighty answer to that?!?
Their obviously spawn of Satan.

Then your plans suck. Look at this thread. You left all this evidence. Tracking someone down by virtue of their IP address isn't that hard.

Damn!
I'll turn myself in.

I've got a little further question on this:
What if it wasyour daughter coming to you to tell you she wants to be a man?

Id say great honey, now you can mow the lawns and take the garbage out.

Love him. What else can you do?

Not much, and thats what I would do...

If it was my kid I would take IT out back and put a 3 1/2" slug in the back of IT's head

If it was my kid I would take IT out back and put a 3 1/2" slug in the back of IT's head

Well said.

Well said.
Thank you, I think we might have just a few of the same ideas when it comes to politics

If it was my kid I would take IT out back and put a 3 1/2" slug in the back of IT's head

That's sickening. If you did something like that, I hope you would get the death penalty. We are talking about a human being you'd kill.

You say IT is human, I say it is subhuman, and a waste of air and space

You say IT is human, I say it is subhuman, and a waste of air and space

I do not think so. You cannot say it because the individual is a human being. He/She is not subhuman, therefore your argument is invalidated and tossed.

You say it is invalid, I could care less what you think.

You say it is invalid, I could care less what you think.

Go ahead. But if you start killing people, you will face justice.

And if I did I would proudly go to jail for it. Some things are worth fighting for, and to me, that is one of em.

And if I did I would proudly go to jail for it. Some things are worth fighting for, and to me, that is one of em.

What exactly are you fighting against? The bogeyman? You need to get off the slippery slope you are going down.

Thank you, I think we might have just a few of the same ideas when it comes to politics

Yep.

And if I did I would proudly go to jail for it. Some things are worth fighting for, and to me, that is one of em.
Whoopse, ignored. Two in two days.

And I am supposed to take the advice of someone on the internet?

No one has answered this question yet, since christians are against people becomiong other genders and being gay, what are their views on HERMAPHRADITES? Who are they suposed to be with eh? A man or a woman, what are they suposed to consider themselves?

Where's your god damned allmighty answer to that?!?

Well, I dont know why you would want the God damned answer. Whichever answer God chose to damn is obviously the wrong answer, so I dont know why you would want it. :D

I cant speak for other Christians and I doubt that there is any official position on hermaphroditism in any organized Christian faith. But I do have my own view. Hermaphroditism comes in several forms. Whether you are a boy or a girl is ultimately decided by your genetics, not the external appearance of the genitalia. If your genetic makeup is that of a boy (XY) then you are a boy, if it is that of a girl (XX), then you are a girl. The only people who really get a choice, therefore, are XXY transexuals since it is impossible to tell whether their mutation is that they have a X too many or a Y too many.

If your genetic makeup is that of a boy (XY) then you are a boy, if it is that of a girl (XX), then you are a girl.
What about an XY female?

They don't know about it until puberty in many cases, are you going to turn round and tell them they cant be a girl anymore?

I my son wanted to become a woman, then who would I be to stop him? I'd ask him why, as is natural for a parent, but I wouldn't try to avoid it if that's what he really wanted. That would be up to him, not me.

I do not think so. You cannot say it because the individual is a human being.

What is the logic behind that argument? Can't seem to find it anywhere. Well, it's politically correct, with the human rights and everything, but that doesn't make it true. Who said the human rights have objective, absolute substance anyway? They don't. They're based on humanist belief so they're only valid if you believe in them. Personally I reject faith-based things.

Human being? What's so special about humans anyway? We're just another species anyway.

I would probably be very shocked and maybe even disown my son if he told me that he was going to become a woman. I would be very ashamed.

not much. i'd be supportive, but i wouldn't make a big deal.

Yes I do, what I give, I can just as easily take away.
And theres nothing you could do, to stop me either.
Ah the power of being in the right to decide. :)

GOD giveth, GOD taketh away

not

DAD giveth, DAD taketh away.

As long as my son isn't Republican, I'll be ok with anything he chooses to do.

I'd slap him around, lock him in his room, and keep him there forever.

"I know how you feel, son. Girls get all the best stuff. Sometimes I wish I was a lesbian."

I'd slap him around, lock him in his room, and keep him there forever.
Why? Because he wants a different life? Let him do what he wants, that's what I'd do. I mean I'd be a bit wierded out, but if he's sure about it and can afford the surgery, go for it.

I'd slap him around, lock him in his room, and keep him there forever.
I'm fairly certain you wouldn't.

It's the typical statement of someone who is all talk and no action.

I would do everything possible to change them. If that failed, I would disown him or her at 18. GOD bless!

I would do everything possible to change them. If that failed, I would disown him or her at 18. GOD bless!
And who says "God" didn't create the person as a transgendered person?

I would do everything possible to change them. If that failed, I would disown him or her at 18. GOD bless!

I died a little inside after reading this.

And who says "God" didn't create the person as a transgendered person?

GOD only creates perfect men and women. Choice and free will are human actions, not GOD's.

GOD only creates perfect men and women. Choice and free will are human actions, not GOD's.
How about those born with mental or physical disabilities?

What is the logic behind that argument? Can't seem to find it anywhere. Well, it's politically correct, with the human rights and everything, but that doesn't make it true. Who said the human rights have objective, absolute substance anyway? They don't. They're based on humanist belief so they're only valid if you believe in them. Personally I reject faith-based things.

Human being? What's so special about humans anyway? We're just another species anyway.

Thank goodness I'm not the son of any of you guys. You people make me sick. Human rights is a vital part of the world today. There is plenty of logic behind my argument.

I'm not saying human beings are special. I'm saying people have a right to be treated with some dignity.

How about those born with mental or physical disabilities?

I knew this was coming next!

I repeat GOD only makes perfect men and women. The free will and choices some PARENTS make, like drinking, doing drugs and abusing their bodies, are what causes these deformities and handicapes. Then people want to blame GOD for their ignorance..... UNBELIEVABLE!

Praise be to GOD allmighty, and his perfect works and ways in everything!

I knew this was coming next!

I repeat GOD only makes perfect men and women. The free will and choices some PARENTS make, like drinking, doing drugs and abusing their bodies, are what causes these deformities and handicapes. Then people want to blame GOD for their ignorance..... UNBELIEVABLE!

Praise be to GOD allmighty, and his perfect works and ways in everything!

If this is the case, then mental problems are a choice? Your logic is full of holes. It seems like if your god is even true, he doesn't make perfect men and women. You're full of it.

Ok, so we've had several "If your son was gay what would you do?" threads, but here's something that hasn't really been asked yet.

If your son told you he was going to become a woman, what would you do?

I'm kinda asking for my own reference here

Show him a picture of Oprah Winfrey so he knows what happens when it goes wrong.

Hmm... should a hypothetical son tell me he wants a sex change, I guess I'd say: "Okay. Just make sure you really want this - it can't be sewn back on, you know - and get a doctor who doesn't just cut it off, but models a clitoris." And well, then I'd try to scrape the money necessary together and cross my fingers nothing goes wrong.

To be honest I would tell him I disapprove of the action. That he was born genetically male and thus to me would always be a male. To me, he would only be altering his physical appearance. Of course he would already understand that he would always be my son and that would never change.

GOD only creates perfect men and women.

Then explain Jim Varney.

Congrats on figuring everything out, Nadkor. To all of you that say that you would kill your kids, you shouldn't have any, because it seems like you still have a lot of growing up to do. If it was my son, i'm a little unsure of my exact reaction. It would probably be somewhere along the lines of hugging him, crying on his shoulder and/or laughing hysterically (my response to stressful situations), thanking him for telling me and aknowledging how hard it probably was, making him promise not to hurt himself (you know all those stories about glbt youth commiting suicide to not 'shame' their homophobic families?), hug and kiss him again, ask him if he needs/wants help with the surgery or whatever, telling him that I'll always love him and that I'm not that upset, just more shocked than anything, and after he's asleep going online and finding the closest PFLAG chapter. The most important thing would be to have an open mind and remember that no matter how hard this is for you, it is probably even harder for your child. And i have a little question- in NYC, sterilization is illegal until a person turns 21 (18 for the rest of the state), and the surgery (i assume) would do that... So does that mean one has to wait until he/she is 21? And to the person that said that you'd support your kid in anything except for becoming a republican, I agree with that.

I knew this was coming next!

I repeat GOD only makes perfect men and women. The free will and choices some PARENTS make, like drinking, doing drugs and abusing their bodies, are what causes these deformities and handicapes. Then people want to blame GOD for their ignorance..... UNBELIEVABLE!

Praise be to GOD allmighty, and his perfect works and ways in everything!
And how about "Christian" parents who don't drink at all, don't do drugs at all etc....but still have children born with deformities?

"I know how you feel, son. Girls get all the best stuff. Sometimes I wish I was a lesbian."

Thinking about it a little more, I would probably exclaim "oi vey!" first and then sigh at the thought of the cost, and then tell him I knew how he felt and that I sometimes wished I was a lesbian.

We'd discuss it a bit more, because I'd think myself a really shit parent to have missed my son going through life feeling like he has the wrong body. If he was sure that he wanted to make the change then I'd be nothing but supportive.