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US Men's Soccer team is 2 ranks higher than Britain! This is a shock to me.

Thoughts?

I’m going to miss you Corn.

You mean England. For once, when they say England they actually mean England, not Britain.

Never mind. I'm not terribly surprised. Having said that, I don't know that I've ever seen the US team...

Americans don't play Soccer. What are you talking aboot?

Americans don't play Soccer. What are you talking aboot?

Read the article. It even mentions Canada! LOL

And yes we do play soccer.

It is FOOTBALL...

It is FOOTBALL...

Outside of North America, yes.

Outside of North America, yes.

Because anything south of the US isn't in North America. :rolleyes:

US Men's Soccer team is 2 ranks higher than Britain! This is a shock to me.

It should be a shock, since it's not true. Britain != England.

Because anything south of the US isn't in North America. :rolleyes:
Well, I prefer to call that Central America, since the temperature doesn't really reflect Northerliness.

Well, I prefer to call that Central America, since the temperature doesn't really reflect Northerliness.

Temperature? So long Texas, California, Florida and a whole bunch of others!

What you prefer to call it is not what it is called. Still, even with that, Mexico remains in North America. Cuba would be too, as well as more of the Caribbean Islands.

Temperature? So long Texas, California, Florida and a whole bunch of others!

Fass, I guess you haven't seen temperature readings during winter? I've seen it snow in Texas, Arizona, California, AND in Florida. I've also seen temps in the thirties as well in some parts of the south as well. Don't give me that.

Calm down, guys. I was just being difficult.

That said, they don't call it Football in Centra America! They call it Futbol.

Fass, I guess you haven't seen temperature readings during winter? I've seen it snow in Texas, Arizona, California, AND in Florida. I've also seen temps in the thirties as well in some parts of the south as well. Don't give me that.

It snows in Brazil at times too. Does snow make somewhere part of North America? Yu may be better off saying non Latin America, but even that leaves doubt over Florida, New Mexico etc.
So say USA and Canada huh.

Fass, I guess you haven't seen temperature readings during winter? I've seen it snow in Texas, Arizona, California, AND in Florida. I've also seen temps in the thirties as well in some parts of the south as well. Don't give me that.

Averages - not singular occurrences, please. Because, and here's a shocker, it snows and is cold in parts of South America, too!

In either case, North America is not defined by temperature. Neither would the theoretical "Central America," which even then still remains part of North America.

But didn't we kick America's ass at football a few months ago?

It snows in Brazil at times too. Does snow make somewhere part of North America? Yu may be better off saying non Latin America, but even that leaves doubt over Florida, New Mexico etc.
So say USA and Canada huh.

I guess you need a little Geography lesson. Brazil is in SOUTH America and not NORTH America.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! That's classic xD Yet again Britain (And we can happily say Britain, seeing as England is the highest ranked British team.) gets totally schooled at things they think they're great at. I'm kinda surprised there hasn't been a call to go to war against the Americans to get our soccer back, but I'm sure that will come once this becomes popular knowledge.

But didn't we kick America's ass at football a few months ago?

2-1 is not what I call "getting our asses kicked"

I guess you need a little Geography lesson. Brazil is in SOUTH America and not NORTH America.

Way to miss the entire point. It isn't him, but you who is trying to use temperature as a definition of what counts as part of North America.

2-1 is not what I call "getting our asses kicked"

Isnt what I would call winning either. Its good for friendly rivalry though all the same

In either case, North America is not defined by temperature. Neither would the theoretical "Central America," which even then still remains part of North America.

You mean the theoretical mass of land between the USA and Columbia? The theoretical nations of Panama, Mexico, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, and Costo Rica?

You mean the theoretical mass of land between the USA and Columbia? The theoretical nations of Panama, Mexico, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, and Costo Rica?

...

Theoretically, yes.

I'm not completely shocked by this. The United States are not the minnows of the 1990 World Cup in Italy and they did advance to the quarterfinals and give Germany all it could handle. Plus, they have consistently been getting better and better results in the past 11 years.

It is strange to think that FIFA might consider Americans better footballers than the English, but a U.S. win over England would not be the shot heard 'round the world that the celebrated 1-0 win was back in 1950.

2-1 is not what I call "getting our asses kicked"

Yeah but you were playing most of our subs and shit players

I've never understood how they calculate these ratings. The problem is the big teams only come together once every 4 years and then they might only play 3 matches.

You mean the theoretical mass of land between the USA and Columbia? The theoretical nations of Panama, Mexico, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, and Costo Rica?

No the theoretical concept of defining this, as regarding natural geography, non-existent part of North America. Do attempt to understand before making silly comments: Just as "Central Europe", or even "Scandinavia," isn't something delineated by natural geography, but is a theoretical concept defined by humans that only exists in our minds as, you guessed it, a theoretical entity, neither is "Central America" something defined by natural geography, but instead by our theoretical reasoning. "Central America" is still geographically North America.

Americans have alot to be proud of when it comes to their national soccer team. They've made World Cup qualification the norm for several World Cups in a row, and that's really fantastic. They did have a moron of a coach in the 98 world cup but Bruce Arena is a tactical genious and the performance in 2002 was pretty darn good. I think an important factor in American soccer is the fact that they have been very open and eager to learn from foreign sources.

On the other hand we have the Canadian Soccer Association that continues to hire coaches who don't have a clue, one after the other.

Averages - not singular occurrences, please. Because, and here's a shocker, it snows and is cold in parts of South America, too!

But we are talking about NORTH and not SOUTH America.

Americans would do even better if they had football chants like we do

But we are talking about NORTH and not SOUTH America.

I repeat: Way to miss the entire point. It isn't him, or I, but you who is trying to use temperature as a definition of what counts as part of North America.

Americans would do even better if they had football chants like we doD.C. United supporters have such chants. Just ask Leeds United when we started chanting, "Have you ever won the double," when we played them in a friendly in 1997. Their supporters were looking at us with looks that said, "WTF?"

@ Corenliu I know where I live thank you. The point was that snow is not the defining feature of North Americanness.

However back to football.

The USA team gained 21 points in the FIFA ranking in June whereas the last time England (not Britain, and it is not the same at all in this case. You will have waves of invasions of rabid scotsmen if you insist on lumping them in with the "Auld Enemy" in football) played was against Colombia in May. At the end of May the Ranking was:
1 Brazil 831
2 Czech Republic 784
3 Argentina 778
4 France 769
5 Netherlands 759
6 England 754
7 Mexico 753
8 Spain 752
9 Portugal 740
10 Italy 734
10 USA 734

Now it is:

1 Brazil 846
2 Argentina 787
3 Netherlands 781
4 Czech Republic 778
5 Mexico 768
6 USA 765
7 France 749
8 England 744
8 Spain 744
10 Portugal 739

You Gain points for winning games. You lose points for not playing. Thus the USA, which has beaten such footballing giants as Honduras (39th), Jamaica (41st), Canada(84th) and Cuba(75th) recently as well as managing an outstanding 0:0 draw against Costa Rica(23rd) have gained points, while England, whose last match was a win over Colombia(25th) have lost points as they have not played.

This does not mean that the USA football team is better than Englands. It just means that they have been more active recently. (Holiday season for European footballers)

Americans would do even better if they had football chants like we doMore important than the chants of course would be having a football league just half as competitive as the Primere League.

I repeat: Way to miss the entire point. It isn't him, or I, but you who is trying to use temperature as a definition of what counts as part of North America.

Actually no I'm not. Your mixing me up with someone else.

I've been following the US Mens Soccer* team for a LOT of years, and have three things to say on this topic:

1. The US squad has been working VERY hard for years, and we now have guys on the team who play professinally in England, Belgium, Germany, etc.
2. Given the size and population of the US, vs the size and population of England (noting that Scotland and Wales have their own international teams), if the US didn't eventually get ahead of England at least for a bit, that would have been newsworthy.
3. The US has been # 1 in soccer/football for years. Unquestionably. I give you Mia Hamm, Brandy Chastain, Julie Foudy, Tiffeny Milbrett, Michelle Akers, Kristine Lily, and company...;)

*yes, football. but, folks, this team is officially named the us mens international soccer team. cause we have this other game we call football - but you knew that...

Well, I prefer to call that Central America, since the temperature doesn't really reflect Northerliness.

Temperature? So long Texas, California, Florida and a whole bunch of others!

Fass, I guess you haven't seen temperature readings during winter? I've seen it snow in Texas, Arizona, California, AND in Florida. I've also seen temps in the thirties as well in some parts of the south as well. Don't give me that.

You really have to start reading what you are responding to. You jumped on Megaloria's bandwagon in using temperature as defining "Northerliness".

No the theoretical concept of defining this, as regarding natural geography, non-existent part of North America. Do attempt to understand before making silly comments: Just as "Central Europe", or even "Scandinavia," isn't something delineated by natural geography, but is a theoretical concept defined by humans that only exists in our minds as, you guessed it, a theoretical entity, neither is "Central America" something defined by natural geography, but instead by our theoretical reasoning. "Central America" is still geographically North America.

You just made my point for me. The whole thing comes down to what we percieve. And I (And everyone on the planet I've ever met except you, for that matter.) percieve that the thing landbridge between the large continents of North and South America is, guess what - Central America! Holy shit, it's in the middle and we call it central! Now, I'll concede there's a case to be made for classifying Northern Mexico as North American, but that is pretty much it.

You really have to start reading what you are responding to. You jumped on Megaloria's bandwagon in using temperature as defining "Northerliness".

Actually my post was in response to yours. I know what the average temps are in the South but that is beside the point.

You just made my point for me. The whole thing comes down to what we percieve. And I (And everyone on the planet I've ever met except you, for that matter.) percieve that the thing landbridge between the large continents of North and South America is, guess what - Central America! Holy shit, it's in the middle and we call it central! Now, I'll concede there's a case to be made for classifying Northern Mexico as North American, but that is pretty much it.

Your limited, and obvously incorrect, geographical education is not the point: http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/americas/north_america_ref01.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America

"Most, however, tend to see Central America as a region of North America, considering it too small to be a continent of its own."

Central America is still part of North America. It is not its own continent - it is a part of the continent of North America - just like Scandinavia and Central Europe are still part of Europe.

Your limited, and obvously incorrect, geographical education is not the point: http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/americas/north_america_ref01.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America

"Most, however, tend to see Central America as a region of North America, considering it too small to be a continent of its own."

Central America is still part of North America. It is not its own continent - it is a part of the continent of North America - just like Scandinavia and Central Europe are still part of Europe.

For once, I agree with Fass. It is still part of North America even though we call it Central America. Central America is part of North America.

You really have to start reading what you are responding to. You jumped on Megaloria's bandwagon in using temperature as defining "Northerliness".

I have a bandwagon? I wonder what song it's playing.

Actually my post was in response to yours. I know what the average temps are in the South but that is beside the point.

No, it isn't. You were responding to a responce. You cannot disregard what it was a responce to.

I've been following the US Mens Soccer* team for a LOT of years, and have three things to say on this topic:

1. The US squad has been working VERY hard for years, and we now have guys on the team who play professinally in England, Belgium, Germany, etc.
2. Given the size and population of the US, vs the size and population of England (noting that Scotland and Wales have their own international teams), if the US didn't eventually get ahead of England at least for a bit, that would have been newsworthy.
3. The US has been # 1 in soccer/football for years. Unquestionably. I give you Mia Hamm, Brandy Chastain, Julie Foudy, Tiffeny Milbrett, Michelle Akers, Kristine Lily, and company...;)

*yes, football. but, folks, this team is officially named the us mens international soccer team. cause we have this other game we call football - but you knew that...


Ballocks!

US MENS SOCCER IS STILL NOT THE BEST IN NORTH AMERICA. MEXICO IS HIGHER! japan is the real surprise of all soccer right now placed at 13th

@ Corenliu I know where I live thank you. The point was that snow is not the defining feature of North Americanness.

However back to football.

The USA team gained 21 points in the FIFA ranking in June whereas the last time England (not Britain, and it is not the same at all in this case. You will have waves of invasions of rabid scotsmen if you insist on lumping them in with the "Auld Enemy" in football) played was against Colombia in May. At the end of May the Ranking was:
1 Brazil 831
2 Czech Republic 784
3 Argentina 778
4 France 769
5 Netherlands 759
6 England 754
7 Mexico 753
8 Spain 752
9 Portugal 740
10 Italy 734
10 USA 734

Now it is:

1 Brazil 846
2 Argentina 787
3 Netherlands 781
4 Czech Republic 778
5 Mexico 768
6 USA 765
7 France 749
8 England 744
8 Spain 744
10 Portugal 739

You Gain points for winning games. You lose points for not playing. Thus the USA, which has beaten such footballing giants as Honduras (39th), Jamaica (41st), Canada(84th) and Cuba(75th) recently as well as managing an outstanding 0:0 draw against Costa Rica(23rd) have gained points, while England, whose last match was a win over Colombia(25th) have lost points as they have not played.

This does not mean that the USA football team is better than Englands. It just means that they have been more active recently. (Holiday season for European footballers)

Well that seems to be a decent explanation. Last meeting England won

http://www.englandfanzine.co.uk/teams/all_reports.asp?ID=828

match report "England’s B team did enough to beat the USA 2-1 in Chicago in the first match of their end of season tour. Kieran Richardson was the bright spot scoring two excellent goals on his senior debut. His first goal came after 4 minutes converting an excellent free-kick and he slotted home his second just before half-time. US had a few decent chances in the game but could not find a way past David James until the 79th minute"

We didn't even play David Beckham

Gaah!

We'll have to play you again soon and put this abomination right! :p

match report "England’s B team did enough to beat the USA 2-1 in Chicago in the first match of their end of season tour. Kieran Richardson was the bright spot scoring two excellent goals on his senior debut. His first goal came after 4 minutes converting an excellent free-kick and he slotted home his second just before half-time. US had a few decent chances in the game but could not find a way past David James until the 79th minute"


Note that says England's B team.

Wanted to say something.. But then Alien Born hit's the spot.

Note that says England's B team.

indeed

You mean England. For once, when they say England they actually mean England, not Britain.

Never mind. I'm not terribly surprised. Having said that, I don't know that I've ever seen the US team...


Don't people know the difference, it even mentions it there, Well Scotland are doing well as usual LoL

To be honest rank doesnt count for much, it's the match on the day that counts.

I doubt USA could beat England although the population says different, they are a good team. My dad was at the USA v England game and england won 2-0 or 2-1 can't remember exactly, but he told me USA were crap and England didn't have a first team out no Beckham and no owen !!

Ballocks!Well, there's a very well thought out and tempered response.

I will give it all the attention it deserves. :rolleyes:

Bluestrips2']Well Scotland are doing well as usual LoL



Whats that supposed to mean?

Whats that supposed to mean?

It means that we are trully and utterly gash.

the US team might be rated higher, but England still has the more aggressive fans. (alright, rabid and mildly alarming fans...) I wouldn't put American Fans up against your Football Hooligans-it would be a bloodbath...

It means that we are trully and utterly gash.

Fair enough... You from Scotland?

You still suck though, that's the thing. England really aren't too good.

Also, you have no decent football chants.

You still suck though, that's the thing. England really aren't too good.

Also, you have no decent football chants.

Who you talkin too/about

Fair enough... You from Scotland?

Aye

Aye

lol... where

lol... where

Just outside of Edinburgh