NationStates Jolt Archive

I was watching a program on Nazism in America on the History Channel and was intrigued by what I saw. Like many in Germany at that time, people in America during the depression turned to this extreme form of race-politik. These people were members of the "German-American Bund", and would not be called "Neo-Nazis" until after World War II.

It was the Neo-Nazis ideas on segregation that got me thinking. The major group today, calling itself the "Aryan Nation" seeks to create a pure nation for the White Race in the Northwestern United States. This goal was rediculous in and of itself, however, their logic was...interesting.

They claim that the surest way to create peace between the "races" is to separate them, allow them each to grow on their own. I may not agree with this philosophy, but I understand it quite well. They advocate the isolation of the White Race. After all, the best method to avoid war is to simply stay out of the way.

That's what they said before World War II...

I believe that this idea of "Neo-Segregationism" is flawed on many foundations. First of all, their methods are in question. In order to secure a location for their "Aryan Nation", they'd displace millions. Of course they don't care what happens to these people...but that is merely one way to foster enemity.

Next, segregation innevitably creates a disparity between two peoples in terms of living conditions, income, healthcare, education etc.

Also, segregation itself fosters suspicion and hatred. People living in these "pure" communities would be taught from birth that the people across their borders are inferior and cannot be trusted. Likewise will be done for those "on the other side". Ignorance will be rampant.

Finally, they say that with separation of the races we'll have peace...sure...that is until the Aryans of Northern Washington feel like they need more "Lebenstraum" (Living Space).

I maintain that the best way to foster amnity is to be out in the open. Allow a mingling, allow people to learn from firsthand experience what others are like. Knowledge...is power...and it is a power that can create a better future.

Any comments on the idea that Segregation=Peace?

well each nation is essentialy a majority segregated entity, its not like 2 nations have ever gone to war eh? :p

I'm all for "Neo-Segregationism"

I was watching a program on Nazism in America on the History Channel and was intrigued by what I saw. Like many in Germany at that time, people in America during the depression turned to this extreme form of race-politik. These people were members of the "German-American Bund", and would not be called "Neo-Nazis" until after World War II. *snip* How can Americans be pure Aryan? Where do you live if you're mixed race? - and most Americans are mixed-race to some extent, coming from so many different countries (ancestrally speaking).

How can Americans be pure Aryan? Where do you live if you're mixed race? - and most Americans are mixed-race to some extent, coming from so many different countries (ancestrally speaking).

And that is the inherent flaw of racism in America.

Any comments on the idea that Segregation=Peace?

Except that you basically figured it out...no. ;)

The devil's dictionary defines "Peace" as "A period of cheating between wars." This is roughly what these Segregation=Peace arguments are arguing for. A time period and a land mass in which to prepare for another race war.

I belive some people are truly hermits and simply don't get along with ANYONE, and thus they live in some mountain or another. These race segragationists don't really fit that bill; they simply want their whole world to reflect only one tiny aspect of reality.

Thus if they simply move out to the mountains somewhere and live their lives, I have no problem with them. If they try to uproot others, to interfere with other people's lives...then I have a problem with them. So long as they're all talk and no action against others, I can only sit back and hope time and experience changes them.

So who decides where each race gets to set-up their state? Some would surely have more resources than others and then conflict would ensue.

Is it not more logical that races mix, religions blend and views are exchanged so that with better understanding we can all get along?

And that is the inherent flaw of racism in America. Now it's different in Britain, where the "pure" British are almost totally Germanic. Racism's a lot easier in Britain.

Segregation ain't a great idea. Why do whites need to be scared of blacks that they need to segregate themselves?

Now it's different in Britain, where the "pure" British are almost totally Germanic. Racism's a lot easier in Britain.

Still don't make it right.

Segregation ain't a great idea. Why do whites need to be scared of blacks that they need to segregate themselves?

You may have just answered your own question; they fear it. They fear that they will lose their identity as people mix.

there are so many problems with the idea of forced segregation in the US. the biggest... the placing of people into discrete racial units.. has already been mentioned

then there is the problem of the current owners of the various lands, businesses, farms, homes, etc. what do you do with the "wrong" people living in each area? just screw them over?

"race mixing" has occurred since the beginning of the american colonies. not just white masters sexually abusing female slaves but legitimate marriage between free people of different races. i dont see it stopping just because some nutjobs decide on segregation.

and how DO you decide who gets what areas? when the eastern indians were forcibly removed, they were given oklahoma territory, considered at the time to be a barren wasteland. would we be any more fair today?

the aryans live in a dream world where THEY are the purest master race which has been responsible for all the good things ever done in the world. for most of them, it wouldnt take much of a long look at their family tree before they would find a few "less pure" ancestors. its pathetic.

Sorry, but its already been decided in the US that “separate but equal” inherently creates inequality.