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Doesn't this just make you sick?

http://www.strasbourgcurieux.com/fourrure/

Define "sick".....

Doesn't make me sick...nothing wrong with fur IMHO. Unless the animals are treated inhumanely or are of an endagrered species, no harm no foul in my book.

...thats really really low on my "This makes me sick" list.

RIght below my room.

That's horrible. Gah!
(It should be shown to anyone wanting to wear fur, imho).

Although I have a differing opinion on leather. Namely, at least leather looks cool and doesn't make you look like a puzzled yeti.. I think they treat cows better anyway.

Doesn't this just make you sick?

http://www.strasbourgcurieux.com/fourrure/
Not particularly.

I'm Wiccan, so I know that I should be doing the jumping around screaming angry epithets at this point - but I think it'd be hypocritical of me if I did. After all, I eat meat, I wear leather shoes... I unavoidably kill dozens of flies and moths and other bugs every time I drive anywhere at night, and just because they're not cute and furry doesn't mean they're not valuable lives.

Oh, all right. I admit I don't much like fur-as-fashion. I don't know why women continue to believe it looks attractive. Maybe they just think it looks rich. Personally, I think it looks cheap, nasty, dated and pretentious. But then I don't much like clothes-as-fashion at all. As far as I'm concerned if clothes do a job then that's all that's required. In warmer countries they cover the bits society says we aren't allowed to display; in cooler climes they keep you warm. And if synthetic materials can do the job as well then they should be used.

But while humans live on this planet animals and plants are going to die because of us. As a previous poster has said, as long as we're as humane as we can be about it, that's all I can ask. :(

Not particularly.

I'm Wiccan, so I know that I should be doing the jumping around screaming angry epithets at this point - but I think it'd be hypocritical of me if I did. After all, I eat meat, I wear leather shoes... I unavoidably kill dozens of flies and moths and other bugs every time I drive anywhere at night, and just because they're not cute and furry doesn't mean they're not valuable lives.

Oh, all right. I admit I don't much like fur-as-fashion. I don't know why women continue to believe it looks attractive. Maybe they just think it looks rich. Personally, I think it looks cheap, nasty, dated and pretentious. But then I don't much like clothes-as-fashion at all. As far as I'm concerned if clothes do a job then that's all that's required. In warmer countries they cover the bits society says we aren't allowed to display; in cooler climes they keep you warm. And if synthetic materials can do the job as well then they should be used.

But while humans live on this planet animals and plants are going to die because of us. As a previous poster has said, as long as we're as humane as we can be about it, that's all I can ask. :(

but you don't think animals should be killed on a humain way? that video is normal to you?

Personally, I like fur. I like the feel of fur against my skin, and I just love it.

...usually I prefer it attached to a live animal ;) But I have a friend who goes to Renfairs, and she picks up for me, on occasion, a fox tail from a fox that a hunter recovered.

*shrug*

I think fur is frivolous to begin with, what with advances in synthetics. Add that along with inhumane treatment, and you begin to raise my "distaste" for these people.

However, I am not in any way the biggest animal rights advocate, at all, so don't turn to me.

http://www.strasbourgcurieux.com/fourrure/fourrures%20animaux/chat_sauvage.jpg

http://www.strasbourgcurieux.com/fourrure/fourrures%20soldees/manteau%20chat%20sauvage.jpg

Is it wrong that this made me laugh?


Heh. But seriously, I don't believe in the practice....but then, I eat meat.

but you don't think animals should be killed on a humain way? that video is normal to you?
Putting words in someone's mouth IS a way to have an argument with them, but it might not be the exact argument you were looking for.

In this case, for example, I said nothing at all about 'normal'. In fact I said that as long as we (the human race) are responsible for the deaths of animals (and plants, whose lives vegetarians seem somewhat unconcerned about), we should be humane about it. I didn't say that I thought the video was humane, or that I approved of it. I did say that it didn't make me sick. It's nothing new, sad though that may be.

What were you hoping for? I'm a pragmatic person. Ranting about injustices and cruel practices on the NationStates forum isn't going to change anything, is it?

Well, it's clearly abominable, but the shrug of a reaction being given is almost as unsettling. Maybe people are just keen to play some cool/heartless/detatched persona, I don't know, but skinning things alive when it would be no trouble at all to kill them outright and doing it as a matter of course in the pursuit of profit is clearly, well, yeah, an abomination. The thing is alive after having had its skin ripped off, for feck's sake, that's completely absurd.

It isn't the biggest problem in the world, by a long shot, but the magnitude of the problem relative to the expense of possible cures makes it relatively epic. Saving human society from the brunt of the greenhouse effect is a massive global challenge, feeding tens of millions of malnourished people is pretty big, too, but figuring out how to kill a small furry animal... simply outlawing the use of complete pelts that perhaps mean it is prohibitively difficult to kill the animal without tarnishing said pelt, I really don't see this as being on the same difficulty level.

I'm not going to firebomb somebody's house because i see them wearing fur, but I won't mind telling somebody involved in this sort of thing that they're behaving like an utter fuck-up.

I suppose it makes me feel like this modern world of ours is pretty lame and in desperate need of revolutionary change and progress. Ho hum.

That's the most I've ever written loosely on the subject of animals without mentioning how impossibly cool wombats are.

...Damn.

I say Kill them Humanly.

Leather is grand.

i'm veggie and don't wear leather, but i see it as personal choice whether ppl act like me or not. however, i don't think its right to have a trade where animals are killed just for fashion, its less neccessary than food, and there are many alternative fake furs anyway. afaik, there are quite a lot of fur farms whiuch are fairly poor on animal welfare, although i'm sure some are better than others. I'd be less offended if the fur was froma 'freedom farm' mrather than a factory farm.

i can understand people eating animals, there isnt much i can do about that. but when they kill animals to make a fashion statement, that sholud be outlawed

http://www.strasbourgcurieux.com/fourrure/mode%20luxe/fourrure.jpg

Neat! The Thing had a make-over.

Well, it's clearly abominable, but the shrug of a reaction being given is almost as unsettling. Maybe people are just keen to play some cool/heartless/detatched persona, I don't know, but skinning things alive when it would be no trouble at all to kill them outright and doing it as a matter of course in the pursuit of profit is clearly, well, yeah, an abomination. The thing is alive after having had its skin ripped off, for feck's sake, that's completely absurd.I don't think anyone here is going to disagree with you on that. But my question remains: what do you want us to do? You've said you're not going to firebomb people's houses, and that's good. If there's one thing I cannot stand it's people who believe their self-righteousness entitles them to commit acts of brutality against others. It's sort of akin to the idea of "right-to-life" advocates giving out death threats - it's utter nonsense.

So with that out of the way, what's left? We can campaign to raise awareness, we can lobby the government to outlaw such activity. We can protest (peacefully). We can boycott companies that we think are involved in or financing such cruelty. We can set up animal shelters or involve ourselves in animal welfare directly. All those things have an effect on this issue, and, collectively, they stand a chance of seriously changing things.

And what DOESN'T make a scrap of difference? Everyone here chanting the standard repertoire of soundbites and offering each other congratulatory pats on the back about how humane and compassionate we all are. All that does is stroke our egos a little. It changes NOTHING.

That's the most I've ever written loosely on the subject of animals without mentioning how impossibly cool wombats are.Agreed. Few finer critters. ;)