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For those not in the know, the Hot Coffee mod is what is causing a bunch of censors to flip out, and start whining a game that seems to exist simply to piss the puritans off: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. I think they're wrong because the thing is a MOD that can not possibly be accessed through normal gameplay. :sniper:
Any thoughts? Feelings? Rants?
Also, GTA:SA is the greatest game I've played on my PC! ;)

In order to better illustrate the situation I have taken this extract from gamegirladvance.com:

"I’ve found the recent controversy over the Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas sex mod / unlock extremely fascinating (thanks Gamespot). If you believe what the modder and critics are saying, Rockstar left the code for the sex mini-game in the final copies of San Andreas. For one reason or another, the theory goes, Rockstar blocked off the feature so it would be impossible to access. There were a few rumors that the code existed on the PS2 version, but it wasn’t until the PC version that someone actually unlocked it and made it available. Or modded it, depending on your viewpoint.

Now politicians and watch groups are up in arms. Folks who thought the cop killing and hooker stomping was bad are now going nuts over the prospect of young children pretending to have sex using an awkwardly timed minigame. Whether the code was modded or buried by self-censoring game makers, someone has added fuel to the fire and it won’t die down anytime soon."

Now I wonder... :confused:

BTW, "awkwardly timed minigame"? :fluffle: Sounds like most relationships in real life to me, LOL ;) .

I think they're blowing everything way...WAY out of proportion. These people piss and moan plenty when you get a violent game or "harsh" language, but when you add maybe two seconds of sex (which is alot more natural than murder or cussing), then we have these guys calling for the destruction of the First Ammendment...for the benefit of the children...

...Sure...

The trend: Sex>>>>>>>>>>>Violence>>Language

Do ye see a discrepancy?

then we have these guys calling for the destruction of the First Ammendment...for the benefit of the children...
'The children' are a very powerful weapon. Anybody making a political point can employ 'the children' as a tool and only the bravest of opponents will stand against that.

Any time I see anyone saying that something must be done or must not be done to protect 'the children' I automatically become suspicious.

Agreed. The political discourse is screwed.

'The children' are a very powerful weapon. Anybody making a political point can employ 'the children' as a tool and only the bravest of opponents will stand against that.

Any time I see anyone saying that something must be done or must not be done to protect 'the children' I automatically become suspicious.

Hence my inherrent distrust of politicians who wish to speak for us. What do the children REALLY want? How about...?

-Healthcare
-Education
-Nutrition
-A Good Home
-A Loving Family
-A Safe Environment
-Clean Air

So far...We've only been concentrating on...

-Grooming them for the next war
-Preventing them from see what "Big Brother" doesn't want them to see

And with our massive millitary budget, we've flat out been ignoring...

-Education
-Nutrition
-A Safe Environment
-Clean Air

You really care about the children? Help make their lives better by concentrating on these, not what you don't want them to see...you power-mongering bitches...

The funniest thing (or scariest, depending on your viewpoint) is that the children they're trying so valiantly to protect have probably had sex already. Hell, they could be more experienced than some of these people. I don't see the problem with exposing children to sex, to be honest. Kids are either interested in sex, or they're not. Those who aren't find the prospect of even touching the opposite sex disgusting because of the dreaded 'lurgy', whilst those who are, will go and have sex whether adults want them to or not -- just like the current generation of whinging oldies probably did in their youth.

And to be honest I'd much rather teenagers engage in an act of love than an act of violent destruction.

And to be honest I'd much rather teenagers engage in an act of love than an act of violent destruction.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Priorities are severely screwed up right now.

Revealing skin coloured pixels? Is this what politicians get paid to debate? Havent these people got something better to do, like adress ACTUAL crime?

No because there is partial nudity and there is nothing natural about the human body unless it's scantly cladded or being riddled with bullets... :rolleyes:

i dont see why people are so angry, they buy a violent game, rated 15 - so in some US states children have already passed the sexual consent age which is 14
the back of the game says it contains violence and sex, they go round killing everyone and inciting hatred then when they see some 3d images touching each others they complain

It's rated 17 here. At which point you're allowed to enter into binding agreements to risk your life for your country.

Revealing skin coloured pixels? Is this what politicians get paid to debate? Havent these people got something better to do, like adress ACTUAL crime?

The idea is that if they pin all of society's problems on a (or several) computer game(s), they get off the hook. Because they don't really know how to stop actual crime, so they 'pass the buck' as it were. It's certainly not a new phenomenon. It probably happened with books. It definitely happened with TV and movies. Video games are the 'new kids on the block' so to speak, and so at the moment they're prime targets. It'll subside once a new form of media comes about, like holographic pornography or whatever's next.

It's kind-of like a child, blaming everybody but himself for his mistakes.

Soooooo, whats with this mod? You could pick up hookers and have sex with them in the PS2 version without a mod. I think you could with your girlfriend too.

You go in have a bj then have sex with your girlfriend as part of a minigame where if you don't play well you disappoint. Better in concept than excecution.

Only through procreation and protected procreation will the children of this great, moral nation -- in which almost no one has had premarital sex at any time in their life -- will we be able to protect children. Our greatest priority. That's why we send peope off to war. To teach morality.

And with our massive millitary budget, we've flat out been ignoring...

-Education
-Nutrition
-A Safe Environment
-Clean Air

Ah, no. I’m not going to let that slide. The US still spends more money per student than any other country in the world but one. Iceland I think.

Revealing skin coloured pixels? Is this what politicians get paid to debate? Havent these people got something better to do, like adress ACTUAL crime?
Actual crtime? Fuck that, why should politicians care about that? Actual crime occurs everyday, so its not that important.

also, Rockstar should make GTA:SA freeware and distribute it on their website just to spite the US government

Only through procreation and protected procreation will the children of this great, moral nation -- in which almost no one has had premarital sex at any time in their life -- will we be able to protect children. Our greatest priority. That's why we send peope off to war. To teach morality.
And what is this sending people off to war nonsense? The US military is entirely voluntary.

Ah, no. I’m not going to let that slide. The US still spends more money per student than any other country in the world but one. Iceland I think.

Agreed, but it still pales in comparisson to the rest of the budget.

Ihatevacations]also, Rockstar should make GTA:SA freeware and distribute it on their website just to spite the US government

I'd help!

Only through procreation and protected procreation will the children of this great, moral nation -- in which almost no one has had premarital sex at any time in their life -- will we be able to protect children. Our greatest priority. That's why we send peope off to war. To teach morality.

So sending your children to war is moral?

So sending your children to war is moral?
He's being sarcastic.

Agreed, but it still pales in comparisson to the rest of the budget.
Well, considering that the Federal government isn’t supposed to be involved in education at all…
I'd help!
You’d better have a lot of money.

So sending your children to war is moral?

That, good sir (or madam), is what is known as sarcasm. Note the bits about premarital sex.

Anyway, I would wager that most of the people arguing against video games in general have never actually played one... it seems to me that they're a hell of a lot better than, say, TV because they're actually interactive. Stop going after the games and go after the kids who do nothing but vegitate in front of the TV.

Stop going after the games and go after the kids who do nothing but vegitate in front of the TV.

Now THAT's a plan.

Well, considering that the Federal government isn’t supposed to be involved in education at all…

You’d better have a lot of money.

Okay...now you're just trying to ruin my fun.

Think of the children! How else will they learn the mysteries of procreation? Since the puritanical hordes won't allow proper sex-ed in the classroom, Rockstar is doing a public service by teaching little boys how to please their girlfriends properly

Think of the children! How else will they learn the mysteries of procreation? Since the puritanical hordes won't allow proper sex-ed in the classroom, Rockstar is doing a public service by teaching little boys how to please their girlfriends properly

Yeah...boys need to learn how to treat their ladies right...and how to deal with anyone else who would dare move on that ass...

[/sarcasm]

Okay...now you're just trying to ruin my fun.
No, I think you’re mistaking me for Hillary Clinton.

Yeah...boys need to learn how to treat their ladies right...and how to deal with anyone else who would dare move on that ass...

[/sarcasm]

BUZZZZZZ, wrong. :rolleyes: Skills in video game segments (e.g. the sex minigames in this one) can not be transferred over to real life. That's why after playing the game I can not ride a motorbike any better or use a SMG with greater accuracy. :mp5:

BUZZZZZZ, wrong. :rolleyes: Skills in video game segments (e.g. the sex minigames in this one) can not be transferred over to real life. That's why after playing the game I can not ride a motorbike any better or use a SMG with greater accuracy. :mp5:

Did you not see the [/sarcasm]?

The funniest thing (or scariest, depending on your viewpoint) is that the children they're trying so valiantly to protect have probably had sex already. Hell, they could be more experienced than some of these people. I don't see the problem with exposing children to sex, to be honest. Kids are either interested in sex, or they're not. Those who aren't find the prospect of even touching the opposite sex disgusting because of the dreaded 'lurgy', whilst those who are, will go and have sex whether adults want them to or not -- just like the current generation of whinging oldies probably did in their youth.

And to be honest I'd much rather teenagers engage in an act of love than an act of violent destruction.

As said before in this thread, it seems the puritans are more out-raged at scenes of sex (which ideally involves a certain level of positive emotion) rather than scenes of violence. What's up with that? :confused:

Did you not see the [/sarcasm]?

Oh...right. Well...I still think most of what I said can be salavaged...

As said before in this thread, it seems the puritans are more out-raged at scenes of sex (which ideally involves a certain level of positive emotion) rather than scenes of violence. What's up with that? :confused:
I don’t know. But, personally, I don’t like sex scenes in movies, but I love violent scenes.

I don’t know. But, personally, I don’t like sex scenes in movies, but I love violent scenes.
:confused: :confused:
.....Why?

:confused: :confused:
.....Why?
I don’t know. Sex scenes make me nervous, especially in a crowded theatre. Its actually being proven that sex scenes make most American movie goers nervous, so the studious have decided to cut back.
As for liking violence, I just do. I can’t explain it.

I don’t know. Sex scenes make me nervous, especially in a crowded theatre. Its actually being proven that sex scenes make most American movie goers nervous, so the studious have decided to cut back.
As for liking violence, I just do. I can’t explain it.

Hmmm.....

I have an idea... how about we all stop worrying so damn much about nudity in video games, and actually pay attention to our kids in real life?

this is exactly like the south park movie, where kyle's mom is so busy trying to prevent one single curse word from being uttered, and she won't even listen to him.

but why blame ourselves when we can blame someone else, that is the american way after all.

but why blame ourselves when we can blame someone else, that is the american way after all.
No, that’s the nanny-state way.

And what is this sending people off to war nonsense? The US military is entirely voluntary.

True, and they took that risk. But military use should be a last resort, and "conservative" mothers (Im only going to assume that only a woman and possibly a few old men would have a problem with this) seemed to have no problem supporting sending US soldiers into, what many consider, a needless war.

Gross. Who would want to play the mod anyways!?

I don't know why people keep bringing this up and creating new threads for this instead of continueing the existing thread, but HERE (http://www.unblogged.net/index.php?n=v&id=50) is an article that pretty accurately describes what the big fuss is about...

I can't figure out why this topic keeps coming up in new thread after new thread after new thread, and people still have got the wrong idea about the whole thing that the politicians are pissed at...

Remember, even though this GTA with the nudity, sex, violence, drug use, etc. is rating AO, there's no LEGAL repercussions to any retailer that sells this game to...hell...a five year old (with fifty dollars)...

Unlike in the movie business, where a theater can get in HUGE trouble for selling tickets to R rated movies to a 16 year old...

Girlfriends are such a hassle in that game anyway. If you drive too fast, she gets pissed. If you drive too slow, she gets pissed. I finally had enough with one of them and parked a car over her and blew it up with a rocket launcher. I can't imagine how annoying the Hot Coffe Mod is.

BUZZZZZZ, wrong. :rolleyes: Skills in video game segments (e.g. the sex minigames in this one) can not be transferred over to real life. That's why after playing the game I can not ride a motorbike any better or use a SMG with greater accuracy. :mp5:

Clearly you haven't learned ANYTHING from GTA!
You have to ride the bike around for a long time or fire the SMG for a long time before your skill will go up, silly!

In order to better illustrate the situation I have taken this extract from gamegirladvance.com:

"I’ve found the recent controversy over the Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas sex mod / unlock extremely fascinating (thanks Gamespot). If you believe what the modder and critics are saying, Rockstar left the code for the sex mini-game in the final copies of San Andreas. For one reason or another, the theory goes, Rockstar blocked off the feature so it would be impossible to access. There were a few rumors that the code existed on the PS2 version, but it wasn’t until the PC version that someone actually unlocked it and made it available. Or modded it, depending on your viewpoint.

Now politicians and watch groups are up in arms. Folks who thought the cop killing and hooker stomping was bad are now going nuts over the prospect of young children pretending to have sex using an awkwardly timed minigame. Whether the code was modded or buried by self-censoring game makers, someone has added fuel to the fire and it won’t die down anytime soon."

Now I wonder... :confused:

BTW, "awkwardly timed minigame"? :fluffle: Sounds like most relationships in real life to me, LOL ;) .


The game was already M (17+); so one wonders why young children had it in the first place.

Answer: Their parents gave it to them...

Therefore the argument is over. The real blame is upon the parents. Not Rockstar/Take-Two.

The politicians and parents complaining about it; while they buy it for their kids (younger than 17) on the game, as it was. Should likely be commited to a mental asylum for the rest of their pathetic lives.

The game was already M (17+); so one wonders why young children had it in the first place.

Answer: Their parents gave it to them...

Therefore the argument is over. The real blame is upon the parents. Not Rockstar/Take-Two.

The politicians and parents complaining about it; while they buy it for their kids (younger than 17) on the game, as it was. Should likely be commited to a mental asylum for the rest of their pathetic lives.
Well my brother is 19 and he bought it (my parents are well aware of the game's contents).

I play it though (I'm 15), my parents don't really care.

Ron White... Bless his soul; thinks we should give the violent games to the California Police Department....... Might make them better shots.... This was said, after the incident where two LAPD officers emptied two clips at a fleeing assailant in a suburban; and didn't even hit the fucking Suburban! (Brings a whole new meaning to not being able to hit the broad-side of a barn, with a shotgun).... Or the case where the police, in a shoot out with a man in kevlar armor; couldn't seem to get the idea down to hit the guy in his head (which was not even protected by a helmet)....

The game was already M (17+); so one wonders why young children had it in the first place.

Answer: Their parents gave it to them...

Therefore the argument is over. The real blame is upon the parents. Not Rockstar/Take-Two.

The politicians and parents complaining about it; while they buy it for their kids (younger than 17) on the game, as it was. Should likely be commited to a mental asylum for the rest of their pathetic lives.
Not really, and on three counts.

First off, lots of kids as young as 14-15 know 17 year old...some even know 18 year olds, but in High School, 14-15 year olds walk the same hallway as a lot of 17 year olds. Not to mention, kids always have friends with a parent not as strict as their own.

Second, there aren't even any laws that make selling AO games to minors a crime. And there definitely aren't any laws in place for selling M games (which are rated for 17 year olds, which are minors) to minors...and frankly, some retailers simply don't bother checking IDs. Now, minors could still get AO games through this way, however, a lot of retailers don't even carry AO games, and the ones that do, even the generally apathetic ones, would be more likely to check an ID on an AO game than an M game...simply because AO is the highest possible rating.

Third, and if you guys would just read this (http://www.unblogged.net/index.php?n=v&id=50) you'd get this by now, the content in question is NOT on the content rating label. Leisure Suite Larry and the new version of GTA:SA that will be released removing the Hot Coffee, and keep the M rating, are both games that are rated M. However, LOTS of parents would approve of, and purchase GTA:SA for their children, while they would not approve of their children playing Leisure Suit Larry, based on the content they know will be in the game as notated by the ESRB rating.