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In light of the attempted bombings in London today, do you feel there will be a backlash against Muslims living in England?

It will be very unfortunate if there is, but I'm afraid there will be and the backlash might not be confined to the UK.

Please, no flaming. Good honest discussion please.

In light of the attempted bombings in London today, do you feel there will be a backlash against Muslims living in England?

It will be very unfortunate if there is, but I'm afraid there will be and the backlash might not be confined to the UK.

Please, no flaming. Good honest discussion please.

There already is, governments just like to keep it as quiet as possible. In the 2 days following the first attacks there were over 100 of them. Will there be a government backlash. I doubt it, after all it is their immigration policy they have to protect, and do it without pissing the brits off even more, thus causing a massive backlash in the process. Delicate tightrope the government walks right now.

Of course there will be, as if it's going to solve anything...

Probably minimal. The govt won't do anything but there's always the anti-paediatrician mob on the loose.

There's always some jackass out there who remains uninformed. Even in Britain.

Eventually, there will be.

There is only so much attacks a society can take before it goes to "they ask for violence, let's give them that" mode...

Eventually, there will be.

There is only so much attacks a society can take before it goes to "they ask for violence, let's give them that" mode...

Unfortunately that is true, especially when the common perception is of silent approval in the Muslim community as a whole. True or not, and if true driven by fear will gain a short leash on tolerance. The squeeky wheel gets the grease even when it isn't desired.
I really find it very hard to understand how a young muslim man could possibly be convinced that his 72 virgins are a fair trade for his life and the well being of his family and friends left behind. I just do not believe that they don't know their actions shine a bright light on their whole community and they endanger it.

I doubt it, at least not in London. Having been there today and on 7th July the feeling abroad seemed to be more one of "Is that all you've got?". Many people seemed to take a great delight in the standpoint of "we've been bombed by Hitler, the IRA and home grown nutters. You lot are amateurs." :D

There has already been a backlash after 7/7, but there isn't yet any evidence who was responsible for today's attacks, and jumping to conclusions is never a good plan.

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I really find it very hard to understand how a young muslim man could possibly be convinced that his 72 virgins are a fair trade for his life and the well being of his family and friends left behind. I just do not believe that they don't know their actions shine a bright light on their whole community and they endanger it.

Ah, but you mis-underestimate :D the power of indoctrination.

For a suicide bomber, he beleives that he is furthering the cause of Islam and by martyring himself, he gains a place near the Lord ( or so he beleives).

That is a VERY powerful motivation , once one reaches that level of indoctrination. At such levels, he has contempt for human life itself , let alone the life of a kafir or the sufferings of his near and dear he leaves behind.

Yes and its going to get worse before it gets better.

Ah, but you mis-underestimate :D the power of indoctrination.

For a suicide bomber, he beleives that he is furthering the cause of Islam and by martyring himself, he gains a place near the Lord ( or so he beleives).

That is a VERY powerful motivation , once one reaches that level of indoctrination. At such levels, he has contempt for human life itself , let alone the life of a kafir or the sufferings of his near and dear he leaves behind.

Sadly no I don't. I believe that I overestimate the ability of the average human being to identify such indoctrination. I tend to forget that for many it is all they have ever known. I also forget the power of 35,000 dollars to the families of those that do it might have a compelling effect also.

I doubt it, at least not in London. Having been there today and on 7th July the feeling abroad seemed to be more one of "Is that all you've got?". Many people seemed to take a great delight in the standpoint of "we've been bombed by Hitler, the IRA and home grown nutters. You lot are amateurs." :D

Pretty much. Clicky. (http://www.maxbarry.com/2005/07/07/news.html#london)

Does anyone else think the Anti-Terror laws will be bumped to the top of the agenda?

Does anyone else think the Anti-Terror laws will be bumped to the top of the agenda?

I think this is Blair's licence to pass whatever anti terror laws he wants

I think this is Blair's licence to pass whatever anti terror laws he wants

Nah, the High Court judges would still over-run the ones that breach Human Rights law.

Nah, the High Court judges would still over-run the ones that breach Human Rights law.

Law lords will not go up against Blair. They might try and stop it in the House of Lords but that will only delay it.

Law lords will not go up against Blair. They might try and stop it in the House of Lords but that will only delay it.

True, I suppose.

The House of Lords is just a big way to fillibuster any new legislation.

Gataway_Driver

If you don't mind, can you answer this question.

How satisfied are you with the response of the UK govt to the London bombings ?

Gataway_Driver

If you don't mind, can you answer this question.

How satisfied are you with the response of the UK govt to the London bombings ?

pretty much the standard response. I was pleased that the government have talked in depth with the muslim councils. I'm expecting newer terror laws to come in. Blair has said all the right things so I'm not greatly supprised. The only thing that has annoyed me is that the govt is still going for their annual break.

pretty much the standard response. I was pleased that the government have talked in depth with the muslim councils. I'm expecting newer terror laws to come in. Blair has said all the right things so I'm not greatly supprised. The only thing that has annoyed me is that the govt is still going for their annual break.

Yeah that kinda got to me as well.

But then again, going on break gives the impression they're not concerned, thus giving a big :upyours: to the terrorists.

However it'll piss off the families of the victims as well.

Yeah that kinda got to me as well.

But then again, going on break gives the impression they're not concerned, thus giving a big :upyours: to the terrorists.

However it'll piss off the families of the victims as well.

point taken

Nah, the High Court judges would still over-run the ones that breach Human Rights law.

I wouldn't bet on it. Remember this is not just a criminal act but an act of war.

I'd look on a crackdown on guys like this: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/050722/325/fnyit.html

There will always be some idiots that will do something. However, I have the feeling that how Tony Blair and the Islamic Clerics of Britain are reacting is calming things down a lot. Condemning the attacks the way they did was a good thing for the Islamic community to do, something that was sorely missed after some other attacks.

pretty much the standard response. I was pleased that the government have talked in depth with the muslim councils. I'm expecting newer terror laws to come in. Blair has said all the right things so I'm not greatly supprised. The only thing that has annoyed me is that the govt is still going for their annual break.

FYI

http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1663552005

"Let me take this opportunity to clarify that there have not been any arrests in Pakistan since 7 July related to the London bombings," Mark Lyall Grant, the High Commissioner, said at a memorial ceremony dedicated to the victims of the attacks.

Some raids were made into some seminaries including a women's seminary and the cops ended getting attacked by burqa clad sword wielding women and then as usual Paki army managed to kill 17 people in the mountains (15 women and children, but all Al-quaeda mind you, any dead in NWFA is AQ)...and some patsy beards roaming here and there..who are unrelated to the UK bombings anyway..

The major camps (including the one in which Tanweer and other likely trained) and orgs and their leaders are untouched..