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What stability? Have you seen the economy and the size of the defecit lately?

war stimulates an economy....how do you think we got out of the great depression

yahoo, iam not the only one who thinks that we are turning socialist!

George W Bush is one of the worst presidents ever to take office. During his first term, he took an economic powerhouse nation and destroyed it. He invaded Afghanistan with other nations to get revenge on Al Qaeda which seemed like a good thing, but then he blatantly disregarded the UN and invaded Iraq, making almost every member nation despise America. He had no reason for attacking Saddam Hussein. If you ask an American why the US invaded Iraq, they will probably say "Because of September 11th." Lets get one thing straight Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with Sept. 11th terror attacks, and before any of you can argue "Oh, well he was commiting genocide on his people" just take a good look at Africa. Hundreds of radical leaders in Africa murder thousands of innocent people daily, but the United States chooses to do nothing mainly because the people of Africa are black. Look at Liberia, the United State's supposed closest ally in Africa, I mean, the USA created that African nation. During the 70s and 80s it served as a monitoring post and potential launch point against a Soviet Offensive in Europe. As the cold war drew to a close, the US abandoned Liberia because it served no more "useful" purpose. Th country has collapsed into a bloody civil war and yet the US does nothing to help their supposed "close friends". George W Bush says he's sending millions in aid such as food and clothing to African nations engulfed in civil wars, but they all need something more than food and clothes; they need peace. The United States sends millions of dollars worth of food to Africa and 90% of that ends up in the hands of leaders who aren't going to give it to the people who need it anyways. They need peacekeepers. In Rwanda, Hutus massacred the Tutsis by the thousands and the US sat back and did nothing, while Canada and Belgium decided to help these deperate people.

Canada City']If the democrats were so smart, couldn't they find a way to manipulate the "hicks" to their favor?
The Republicans beat them to that. It's called FOX News, and the "hicks" are falling for it quite easily. And the top Republicans are very intelligent. Sort of how Senator Palpatine/Darth Sidious was a genius in how he constructed the empire while manipulating the masses to blindly follow him in Star Wars.

war stimulates an economy....how do you think we got out of the great depression
War stimulated the economy in the situation of WWII, yes. But that was because a larger part of the economy went into making war products. Nowadays, there are very few companies that benefit from war. To name two: United Defense, The Carlyle Group.

i say get the US out of the UN... and get the UN out of the US

The Republicans beat them to that. It's called FOX News, and the "hicks" are falling for it quite easily. And the top Republicans are very intelligent. Sort of how Senator Palpatine/Darth Sidious was a genius in how he constructed the empire while manipulating the masses to blindly follow him in Star Wars.
If I may: "So this is how democracy dies. To thunderous applause." I hope I got that right.

..... In Rwanda, Hutus massacred the Tutsis by the thousands and the US sat back and did nothing, while Canada and Belgium decided to help these deperate people.

the Rwanden incedent was clinton not bush
also...'hicks' arnt as dumb as you think they are

What stability? Have you seen the economy and the size of the defecit lately?

the economy is just fine... he inherited a downward-trending economy when he took power, then was blindsided by 9/11 and its effects.

Since then, we've been slowly but surely improving.

BUT I WON'T GIVE BUSH THE CREDIT, because, as I say all the time, the President doesn't have a whole lot to do with the economy... ours is not a control economy.

if you want to blame a person or group of people for the deficit, look no further than your congressman/senator -- the Hill and the Senate have continued their porkish ways.

Afghanistan
Albania
Angola
Australia
Azerbaijan
Bulgaria
Colombia
Czech Republic
Denmark
Dominican Republic
El Salvador
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
Georgia
Honduras
Hungary
Iceland
Italy
Japan
Kuwait
Latvia
Lithuania
Macedonia
Marshall Islands
Micronesia
Mongolia
Netherlands
Nicaragua
Palau
Panama
Philippines
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Rwanda
Singapore
Slovakia
Solomon Islands
South Korea
Spain
Tonga
Turkey
Uganda
Ukraine
United Kingdom
United States
Uzbekistan

These are the current members of the Coalition of the Willing. Very few of these countries have armies. If you do feel that this info is a lie, go to http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030327-10.html.

he inherited a downward-trending economy when he took power DOWNWARD-TRENDING?!? We had a SURPLUS, for God's sake!

If I may: "So this is how democracy dies. To thunderous applause." I hope I got that right.
Sounds about right...And it's scary when you look at flag-waving, uber "patriotic" Bush rallies and think of the second and third slogans from 1984, "ignorance is strength","freedom is slavery." It fits so well.

You've read Orwell then? Perhaps you will remember "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others." "War is Peace" also fits our situation rather eerily.

Yes, people do die in war, I understand that. But this war served no purpose other than to get our hands on Midlle Eastern oil. In other words, we didn't need any of this.

What proof do you have?

Why on earth would US wanted to go to Middle east for oil when their best oil is from the North (Canada) and South (Mexico) from them?

Think man, think. Before you babel your bullshit preached by your vegan liberal lords, research.

The Republicans beat them to that. It's called FOX News, and the "hicks" are falling for it quite easily. And the top Republicans are very intelligent. Sort of how Senator Palpatine/Darth Sidious was a genius in how he constructed the empire while manipulating the masses to blindly follow him in Star Wars.

And what...the democrats can't do better? But I thought they were the most intelligent and enlightened species on earth? They should figure a way to outfox the Fox (omg so witty!) with the powers of diploma and liberal professors.

You've read Orwell then? Perhaps you will remember "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others." (Animal Farm, btw).
I read animal farm a long, long time ago--so long ago I was too young to catch the deeper meaning to the story. I really should read it again, but yes, I've heard that line repeated often here.

Canada City']What proof do you have?

Why on earth would US wanted to go to Middle east for oil when their best oil is from the North (Canada) and South (Mexico) from them?

Think man, think. Before you babel your bullshit preached by your vegan liberal lords, research.
I don't care WHERE the oil comes from. We need to develop cleaner and more efficient ways to get energy. The U.S. is so dependent on oil, that when it runs out, we will have nowhere to turn. We need to develop cleaner means of energy NOW, before it's too late.

may i point out that rancher kids,"hicks" who enter the army are amost always made snipers, one can hardly call someone who has an excelent shot stupid

I don't care WHERE the oil comes from. We need to develop cleaner and more efficient ways to get energy. The U.S. is so dependent on oil, that when it runs out, we will have nowhere to turn. We need to develop cleaner means of energy NOW, before it's too late.

I agree; it's a natural resource, it will eventually run out.

Nice try dodging the question though. I win.

That people did not wish to serve in the military so they fled fearing a draft, only shows that they are cowards, not that bush did anything wrong.

Dodging a draft doesn't make you a coward, no one should be compelled to fight for their country involuntarily. In fact, I'd even go so far as to say that it violates the Thirteenth Amendment (yes, I know the Supreme Court ruled otherwise but just because they ruled in favor of the draft doesn't make it constitutional. Remember that slavery was once "constitutional" as well).

Although I'm fairly conservative (right-wing libertarian), I can't say I approve of almost anything Bush has done during his time in office. First, he went to War in Iraq unnecessarily, I mean can you honestly believe that Saddam would have tried to launch a nuclear strike on the U.S., which has a superior military force and more international support? Hussein was a vicious despot and a bastard, but he wasn't insane in the least. Although I'm probably in the minority when I say that Bush probably went in with good intentions and not to get oil or anything like that, the fact remains that there was no reason to go to war.
Iraq wasn't harboring al-Qaeda terrorists considering that al-Qaeda is a fundamentalist terrorist group which saw Hussein as an atheist and viewed him with contempt. Nor was there any solid proof that they had weapons to begin with*.

Furthermore, the United States went from a surplus to a deficit numbering in the trillions in a matter of years, an enormous sum of money even when you factor in inflation and normal governmental expenses.

I'll type more for my argument when I'm not half-asleep at the computer

Canada City']And what...the democrats can't do better? But I thought they were the most intelligent and enlightened species on earth? They should figure a way to outfox the Fox (omg so witty!) with the powers of diploma and liberal professors.
We have outfoxed fox, it's called Outfoxed, but enough of that, people are too stupid to realize the hole they've fallen into. It's just so much easier to listen to what Big Brother says and not argue or question him, than to stand up for what is right. I know it seems like what Big Brother is doing is right, but in reality, that's just what they've manipulated you to believe. Republicans are the blind sheep following the PNAC/neocon agenda that is being implemented around the world, and the Democrats are the "evil resistance" you must hate. There's a genius radio excerpt from a Mike Malloy show that equates Bush's regime to 1984 and shows how the Administration uses fear and loathing to manipulate the public, this public into accepting totalitarian rule.

Why can't America, if we're so powerful, win the war on terror? Why is America, the most economically stable nation, in $7.8 trillion of debt? You're going to be shocked when all of our tax money will be going to paying off interest to Bush's spendthrift economics. It will take another liberal, perhaps two or three, to clean up all the shit Bush has created.

Nice try dodging the question though. I win.
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possibly....but if you are wanting to know demicrats actualy cause more harm to the ceomomy than good
also, a liberal demicrat is the reason we are stuck in the hole we are now

Really now...

yes

:headbang: For the last time, with Clinton we had a SURPLUS. Last time I checked, a surplus was not what led America into an economic hole.

yes
maybe this (http://readythinkvote.com/vote_deficit.html) should shed some light...

That graph is misleading. Here is a simpler one:

Clinton= bad liberal

Bush= God's gift to Makind, Saviour of the Universe.

See? I made it right.

Yes, that chart does show that Clinton had a defecit for most of his two terms, but by the time he was impeached, there was a surplus. Where that surplus went, no one knows.

possibly....but if you are wanting to know demicrats actualy cause more harm to the ceomomy than good
also, a liberal demicrat is the reason we are stuck in the hole we are now
The last liberal we had in office was Jimmy Carter. Calling Clinton liberal is like calling Karl Marx capitalistic.

Bush= God's gift to Makind, Saviour of the Universe.
You're kidding right? That is possibly the most absurd thing I have ever heard.

Canada City']And what...the democrats can't do better? But I thought they were the most intelligent and enlightened species on earth? They should figure a way to outfox the Fox (omg so witty!) with the powers of diploma and liberal professors.
Not everyone who opposes Republicans is a Democrat. Some of us actually aren't mildly conservative and near-right. Some of us are actually *gasp* moderate and centrist. Some people are even liberal! Others are left-wing! The horror!

I think that he has done a superior job over the last couple of yearsMy report card for the President:

Bush is a MORON.

You're kidding right? That is possibly the most absurd thing I have ever heard.
Sure sounds like it, but judging by the rationality of the right these days, I wouldn't be surprised if that was dead serious.

The last liberal we had in office was Jimmy Carter. Calling Clinton liberal is like calling Karl Marx capitalistic.
thake you!
here is what i was trying to say

first if you were waching what the stock market was doing while the votes were being counted every time kerry was ahead the stock market droped, when bush was ahead the stock market improved

second the hole i was speeking of was the "war" if clintion had been do in his job insted of skrewing his assistent he would have cought osamah when he had the chance

You're kidding right? That is possibly the most absurd thing I have ever heard.
It's sarcasm. Is there something about the Internet that makes people lose all grasp of humor?

That graph is misleading. Here is a simpler one:

Clinton= bad liberal

Bush= God's gift to Makind, Saviour of the Universe.

See? I made it right.WOUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....awww



thx man... I needed that. :D

You're kidding right? That is possibly the most absurd thing I have ever heard.
agreed

It's sarcasm. Is there something about the Internet that makes people lose all grasp of humor?
yes iam afraid so

It's sarcasm. Is there something about the Internet that makes people lose all grasp of humor? Well, I can't really decipher sarcasm in text unless it's italicized. There is something horribly wrong with me.

Canada City']What proof do you have?

Why on earth would US wanted to go to Middle east for oil when their best oil is from the North (Canada) and South (Mexico) from them?

Think man, think. Before you babel your bullshit preached by your vegan liberal lords, research.

America wouldn't invade Canada or Mexico. Saddam was Bush's daddy's enemy. It is far more acceptable for the American public to back a war against some foreign country far away, than to let Bush invade a friendly neighbour for resources.

I am a pro Bush kinda guy. I think that he has done a superior job over the last couple of years to bring stability to our nation. If you disagree please have evidence to back up your disagreement. If you agree please have evidence to support your agreement.
Pew Research Center for the People & the Press survey conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International.

"Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president?" If "Depends": "Overall, do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president?"

7/13-17/05: Approve 44, Disapprove 48, Unsure 8

9/21-25/01: Approve 86, Disapprove 7, Unsure 7

Associated Press/Ipsos poll conducted by Ipsos-Public Affairs. July 11-13, 2005. N=1,000 adults nationwide.

"Overall, do you approve, disapprove or have mixed feelings about the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president?" If "mixed feelings" or not sure: "If you had to choose, do you lean more toward approve or disapprove?"

7/11-13/05 Approve 42, Disapprove 56, Mixed Feelings 1

George Bush has completely misplaced the goodwill that the world bestowed on the US after the events of 9/11 by invading Iraq and creating greater instability in the world today.

The polls demonstrate that the US is very divided, as some posters have mentioned, and it appears that it will be extremely difficult for Bush to mend the fences.

The US is not winning the war on terror and the majority of Americans now say that the war in Iraq was "not worth it".

You definitely have an overrated opinion of Bush.

second the hole i was speeking of was the "war" if clintion had been do in his job insted of skrewing his assistent he would have cought osamah when he had the chance
That bullshit about Clinton having a chance to catch Osama has been refuted many times.

Grossly overrated you mean. But yes, I agree with you. :D

stll

I'm sorry, I don't live in the US so this might be wrong, but didn't he turn a billion dollar surplus into a trillion dollar defecit?

Plus, a relative of mine who lives in the US is now too scared to reveal his nationality (malaysian) because he used to be accused of being a terrorist. What kind of world is that?

And I completely agree with Hyperspatial Travel.
:sniper: maybe he is scared because he is guilty of something. If I were him, I would be thankful that the U.S. is on their toes, trying to extract terrorists from society.

stll
Is that the best argument you can come up with?

at the moment yes
does that bother you? (sarcastic)

:sniper: maybe he is scared because he is guilty of something. If I were him, I would be thankful that the U.S. is on their toes, trying to extract terrorists from society.
Helpful tip of the day:

Anyone using one of the three weaponry emoticons in their first post will forever be branded as a total lunatic.

:sniper: maybe he is scared because he is guilty of something. If I were him, I would be thankful that the U.S. is on their toes, trying to extract terrorists from society.

By holding people in prison without charges for years? Yeah... that's certainly not aggravating the problem... it's good for the world view of America if America treats people unjustly. I mean... they might actually have a terrorist in custody! Sorry to the rest of the innocent people.

Helpful tip of the day:

Anyone using one of the three weaponry emoticons in their first post will forever be branded as a total lunatic.

But isn't it the right of crazed American gun fanatics to wave their weapons around freely? :P
Man, America scares me. There's actually signs at the Canada/US border that says something along the lines of, "Canada has stringent laws against handguns, so don't bring them into their country." The tone of the message made it sound like it was BAD that we didn't have everyone toting guns around! Yikes.

its ok 357 magnum..being a loon is ok...join the club.... it can be quite fun !

You're kidding right? That is possibly the most absurd thing I have ever heard.

No :headbang: I am :headbang: deadserious! :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :rolleyes:

the Rwanden incedent was clinton not bush
also...'hicks' arnt as dumb as you think they are


Are they uneducated? Yes
Are they inbred? Yes
Do people from the city think they're absentminded simpletons whenever they meet them? Yes
Do they vote against their economic benefits? Yes
Did they vote for Bush? Yes

Sounds to me like they're no smarter than your average Tapeworm :D

Canada City']What proof do you have?

Why on earth would US wanted to go to Middle east for oil when their best oil is from the North (Canada) and South (Mexico) from them?

Think man, think. Before you babel your bullshit preached by your vegan liberal lords, research.


Iraq has the ability to extract 89 Billion barrels of oil a year. It's the second-largest oil containing country in the world (the first being Saudi Arabia at 251 billion)

thake you!
here is what i was trying to say

first if you were waching what the stock market was doing while the votes were being counted every time kerry was ahead the stock market droped, when bush was ahead the stock market improved

second the hole i was speeking of was the "war" if clintion had been do in his job insted of skrewing his assistent he would have cought osamah when he had the chance



Ermmm...OK, if you remember correctly, Clinton knew where OBL was, and he asked Congress for permission to attack him, but congress was up in here like "j00 skr00d h3r!1!!!!11 W3 h8 j00!1!!!1 D0nt d0dg3 t3h qu35ti0n!1!!!!!!111!!!!11" Clinton asked for permission, and the Repubs wouldn't give it to him. So fuck you you sick conservative assholes. You cost the lives of 3,000 americans that a "liberal" could have saved.

Originally Posted by The Separate One
I am a pro Bush kinda guy. I think that he has done a superior job over the last couple of years to bring stability to our nation

ROTFLMAO

Thanks, I needed a good laugh. It made me forget the lies, civil rights abuses, torture, and treasonous aides. :D :rolleyes: :upyours:

Ermmm...OK, if you remember correctly, Clinton knew where OBL was, and he asked Congress for permission to attack him, but congress was up in here like "j00 skr00d h3r!1!!!!11 W3 h8 j00!1!!!1 D0nt d0dg3 t3h qu35ti0n!1!!!!!!111!!!!11" Clinton asked for permission, and the Repubs wouldn't give it to him. So fuck you you sick conservative assholes. You cost the lives of 3,000 americans that a "liberal" could have saved.
lol, how many times have you been deated? And you still haven't learned have you...

bold added by me.

Helpful tip of the day:

Anyone using one of the three weaponry emoticons in their first post will forever be branded as a total lunatic.


I dunno, I would love to start a Bush: Should we Murder Him? Thread with a weapon icon and a puppet nation.

lol, how many times have you been deated? And you still haven't learned have you...

bold added by me.


I've been deated twice. Neither time was it for posting something offensive.

As to the first part proof, not just your word on it.
For the rest, there is nothing wrong with a little scandal.

You wouldn't know it from the lynchmob mentality that sought impeachment of Bill Clinton over a fucking blowjob a decade ago.

Of course, ex-presidential nookie ranks far more seriously in the eyes of Bush cheerleaders than treasonable acts, runaway (and brother, do I mean runaway) spending, vote-rigging, etc.

Because Uh-Murrickuns value "murrality" ah-buv all ulse.

You wouldn't know it from the lynchmob mentality that sought impeachment of Bill Clinton over a fucking blowjob a decade ago.

Of course, ex-presidential nookie ranks far more seriously in the eyes of Bush cheerleaders than treasonable acts, runaway (and brother, do I mean runaway) spending, vote-rigging, etc.

Because Uh-Murrickuns value "murrality" ah-buv all ulse.


I have a theory on this one: Democrats value public morality (not dumping oil into oceans, not stealing an election, not lying in office)
While Republicans value private morality (not having sex before marriage, blowing up abortion clinics, going to church, being a christian)

And honestly, I'd have to say Republicans are the dumbest group of people I know. I've known people with Down Syndrome who still know that it's wrong to run up a massive deficit that incurs 15% interest. No Republican knows that.

You wouldn't know it from the lynchmob mentality that sought impeachment of Bill Clinton over a fucking blowjob a decade ago.

Of course, ex-presidential nookie ranks far more seriously in the eyes of Bush cheerleaders than treasonable acts, runaway (and brother, do I mean runaway) spending, vote-rigging, etc.

Because Uh-Murrickuns value "murrality" ah-buv all ulse.

I actually spoke to an American once who said Bill Clinton getting a bj was the worst thing an American President had ever done.
I was like, "Are you being funny? You SOUND serious... but that's the least serious statement I've ever heard in my life. Presidents have done some horrible things in the past... hell, even in the present. Looked at Iraq lately?"
Crazy people think those sorts of things.

*snip*
Jesus Christ, man. Edit your post. It's screwing up the page width.

Bush: The Best President in US History

The Separate One: An Idiot

Yeah, this page-width thing sucks.

*Edit: well it still would suck if Maineiacs hadn't gone and fixed it.

Clinton, we had a surplus.... Bush, we have a debt.... what's the problem here?

that bush is an idiot!

Jesus Christ, man. Edit your post. It's screwing up the page width.

Happy now?

If I were the second post, I would've said "trolling."

Not only is the statement "I think Bush is the best president in history" a complete and utter lie by the thread starter in order to get attention, but it isn't even worth arguing over.

No matter how you view Bush's foreign policy, even pro-Bushers will concede that he has no ability when it comes to domestic policy. That said, the way in which he went about his foreign policy can also be proven to be highly flawed, so there's really not much else to say, nor anything that will say he's a good president.

In fact -- it's on the shoulder of the thread starter, and of other pro-Bushers, to come up with evidence supporting that Bush is a good president: the reactions of secular and intellectual America, along with the majority of the rest of the world, have spoken.

I have a theory on this one: Democrats value public morality (not dumping oil into oceans, not stealing an election, not lying in office)
While Republicans value private morality (not having sex before marriage, blowing up abortion clinics, going to church, being a christian)

And honestly, I'd have to say Republicans are the dumbest group of people I know. I've known people with Down Syndrome who still know that it's wrong to run up a massive deficit that incurs 15% interest. No Republican knows that.

And this is why republicans usually win elections. The American Left just point fingers and insult instead of coming up with MARKETABLE SOLUTIONS to the country's problems.

Canada City']And this is why republicans usually win elections. The American Left just point fingers and insult instead of coming up with MARKETABLE SOLUTIONS to the country's problems.


Like not fucking before marriage? Great solution to the country's problems :rolleyes:

Like not fucking before marriage? Great solution to the country's problems :rolleyes:

I might not agree with it, but obviously the majority of Americans do.

I agree. In a debate like this, it must be up to the bush lovers to demonstrate why his precidency is a good thing.

So let's see some evidence! Out with it bush fans!

Here's a few suggestions for good things he might have done:
Public education
Health care
Ghettoisation
Forign policy
International Trade agrements
Environmental policies
National Security policy
Domestic policies, like initiatives concerning sanitation etc.

What good has he done so far? Anything at all? To this outsider, it's very hard to see any positive things. Usually, it seems like the guy employs a lot of great slogans to disguise policies.. Like talking about how public education needs to be improved, and using that as an excuse to withdraw funding.
Or tax cuts... In the face of a disasterous economy, and one that is couples with increased living expenses for average income people... So instead of a general tax cut, people's buying power stays roughly the same, while the upper 20% of the population suddenly has vastly more money.

I've yet to see anything he's done that isn't borderline 1984. I mean in a double-think sort of way.

I don't know enough about US history to have an opinion on how to rank his presidency in relation to earlier ones, but I do think he's doing immense harm to everyone. I have a feeling he may be your worst president ever, because he's given law enforcement the power to lock people up & throw away the key - trials & justice be damned - but I'm not sure if any of your other presidents have gone to such extreme lenghts to undermine your justice system & civil rights.

About the national division... It's undeniable. And I understand perfectly why it's there. A nation's leader has an obligation to follow the will of the people, as much as practically possible. Not just the will of the 51% who voted for him.
When a large chunck of the population feels threatned by a prersident, then he's no longer serving public interest. He's building a schism. And you can't blame either side for it. It's a president's job to ensure happiness & content for everyone, not just for the extreme right or left.
When the guy fails to do that, he creates dissent & hatred. The ones he's sucking up to will love him too much to admit he's going too far, and the ones he's opposing will be so pissed and/or scared, they'll quickly stop listening to reason and just throw bricks or leave the country.

Perhaps that's desirable for a religious rightwinger, but no matter how you look at it, it's not benefitting you or your country in the long run.

Anyway... Let's hear some real reasons why the guy is a good president!

The fact that people started fleeing the country when Bush was re-elected.


You have a link to this statistic? Because i thought i read somewhere that emigration (is that what it is called?) has actually gone down since 2000 in the United States.

Oh yeah to the OP, you were just looking to start a flame war werent you? :D

I think bush is great president too. He's done alot of good for the military. We're making more money, and living is nice. I also think he has a good set of core morals. I like how he doesn't stay away from God when hes giving a speech. It nice to see a politian who doesn't let his politics get in the way of his religion. I'm definently glad he's against gay marriages. Thats wrong in so many ways. If your gay, go somewhere else to get married and dont come back.

I am a pro Bush kinda guy. I think that he has done a superior job over the last couple of years to bring stability to our nation. If you disagree please have evidence to back up your disagreement. If you agree please have evidence to support your agreement.

I hate him for dragging so many people into this war, and I hate him more for killing them. You can't tell me this isn't all about oil...

I like how he doesn't stay away from God when hes giving a speech. It nice to see a politian who doesn't let his politics get in the way of his religion. I'm definently glad he's against gay marriages. Thats wrong in so many ways. If your gay, go somewhere else to get married and dont come back.

That's the largest amount of bullshit I have ever heard in my life.

The thing I never understood about being against gay rights, is that by denying gay people the right to get married, you're denying them, not basic but surely pratically basic, human rights. Doesn't that completely go against the constitution?

Bush got Texan school books to get changed so that any mention of marriage would define it as 'the union between a man and a woman.' That's propaganda.

Marriage is about the Love.

WHERE IS THE LOVE?!

Oh and something I learnt in MUN: The amount that the US spends on foreign aid is equal to the amount that the people of the US spend on porn every year.

That's the largest amount of bullshit I have ever heard in my life.

The thing I never understood about being against gay rights, is that by denying gay people the right to get married, you're denying them, not basic but surely pratically basic, human rights. Doesn't that completely go against the constitution?

Bush got Texan school books to get changed so that any mention of marriage would define it as 'the union between a man and a woman.' That's propaganda.

Marriage is about the Love.

WHERE IS THE LOVE?!

Oh and something I learnt in MUN: The amount that the US spends on foreign aid is equal to the amount that the people of the US spend on porn every year.



Yeah, Model UN was a cool club :D

Yeah, Model UN was a cool club :D

*gasp*
It wasn't a club! It was a way of life!

Are they uneducated? Yes
Are they inbred? Yes
Do people from the city think they're absentminded simpletons whenever they meet them? Yes
Do they vote against their economic benefits? Yes
Did they vote for Bush? Yes

Sounds to me like they're no smarter than your average Tapeworm :D

i sugjust you meet a few befor you pass a judgement a cruel as that one, you should be ashamed of your self,have you ever even met someone who workes on a ranch? some who by your standers is a "hick"... you should know we hicks also have a name for people like you...we call you arrogant fools

*gasp*
It wasn't a club! It was a way of life!

*intones in monotone* M-U-N is F-U-N

More fun for the seniors, becuase the teacher (female!) was fond of sexual inneundos...

...then got fired for it, along with the ASB president o.o

i sugjust you meet a few befor you pass a judgement a cruel as that one, you should be ashamed of your self,have you ever even met someone who workes on a ranch? some who by your standers is a "hick"... you should know we hicks also have a name for people like you...we call you arrogant fools....better knows as shlicks

I've met a few. So far, I havn't found anyone willing to go so far as to not fit the stereotype as labled in this thread.

Okay, listen - I've sat through an hour reading this thread, so you'd better damn well listen to my words at the end of it.

1. PEOPLE NEED TO LEARN WHAT SARCASM IS. Seriously, I couldn't but laugh each time that someone (Who shall remain unnamed because I can't remeber his name) posted some sarcasm - nobody got it for about two pages.

2. If there's a draft, I have the perfect response: I'm gay. Open gays can't serve in the military. Woo. That should be the response of everyone. "You want me to go where? I'm sorry, I can't do that. You won't let me into the military. Why? I'm gay."

3. I find it VERY humorous that the people who rabidly went after Clinton for having a blowjob in the Oval Office, and then lying about it (Like every other male american would!) are the pones saying now that we shouldn't critize the president.

4. Ratha loves numbered posts.

5. Bush, really, scares me. In about 6 years, something's going to happen and the USA will no longer be recognizable as the same entity as it is today. If that's a good thing or a bad thing, I don't know. I made the prediction 4 years ago, based on nothing, and so far it's panned out.

6. Bush is pulling what I'm calling the Thatcher Option to artificially boost his popularity through wars - except that right now we have two unresolved quagmires (We've won the wars), and two wars on ideas, Drugs and Terror - something you can't win.

7. To the guy who said that gay marriage is just wrong, and that we should go somewhere else to get married and never come back, thank you for promoting the American way of life: Tolerence of others and the Melting Pot of society.

So rather than stay and fight they fled?
That doesn't even make sense. You've gone from being amusingly wrong to stupid and wrong.

2. If there's a draft, I have the perfect response: I'm gay. Open gays can't serve in the military. Woo. That should be the response of everyone. "You want me to go where? I'm sorry, I can't do that. You won't let me into the military. Why? I'm gay."

Oh, but heaven forfend I call myself gay! Nay, it would certainly be better to be killed on some foreign land, in an effort to protect the free way of life that refuses to allow homosexuals to marry.

Unfortunately, that idea is moot to me ... if Canada ever does have a draft, claiming to be gay won't save me. The military's first gay marriage happened a while back.

i sugjust you meet a few befor you pass a judgement a cruel as that one, you should be ashamed of your self,have you ever even met someone who workes on a ranch? some who by your standers is a "hick"... you should know we hicks also have a name for people like you...we call you arrogant fools


And we still call you hicks OK? Everyone who is anyone in the country goes to the big city to find jobs. Because education brings them here. And yes, I've spent a good deal of time on a ranch. My uncle used to own one. I helped out along with all the other ranch hands, but they're all quite a bit stronger than me. :(

I did not create this thread so that I could go on about the glories of the president. I just want proof as to why so many people seem to think that he is wrong or a bad president, or why other people think as highly of him as i do.

You want proof, fine. Here's some. Even though he has supposedly fought racism against Muslims, his action to inact the Patriot Act was not helpful. Even though it states that we should treat all equally, the targets of suspected terrorists under the Patriot Act have ALL BEEN MUSLIM OR MIDDLE EASTERN descent. Or have we forgotten that terrorists can be Caucasian as well? Do you remember Timothy McVeigh? or Eric Rudolph?

Let's look at it this way as well: the Patriot Act was an EMERGENCY law passed during an EMERGENCY time, 45 days after 9/11. However, last time I checked, it's been FOUR years since that happened. We are NOT in a state of emergency anymore. If Bush wants to prove that he isn't discriminating, then he must get rid of the Patriot Act that tramples civil freedoms.

I suggest that everyone read this. http://www.aclu.org/Privacy/Privacy.cfm?ID=11054&c=130
This will give you a lot of insight into the innerworkings of the Patriot Act. Many people will say they haven't noticed their rights being taken away, but isn't that the point? Others claim they'll give up some rights for protection from terrorists, but doesn't that defeat the purpose of fighting terrorists? GIVING up rights for protection sounds stupid.

Benjamin Franklin once said, "Those who would give up essential liberty for a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Be careful what you give up, or else you'll screw yourself over.

Here's some more reasons: HE LIES! That or he's so vague that's how he comes across. "Sadaam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction." Have we found them? No. Why? Because they never existed. Hussein was so screwed over from the Gulf War, he couldn't fart without us knowing about it. Their economy sucked due to all the trade embargoes placed upon Iraq. They had neither the means nor the money to create WMD's. Not only that, the Sunni sect of the Islam is (or was) surrounding Iraq, and they do not like Hussein. For this reason, Hussein needed to pretend he had these weapons, or he'd get destroyed. For some odd reason, we were convinced as well.

Once we get in Iraq and find nothing, Bush is somehow able to cleverly cover up that mistake by saying we rid the world of a cruel dictator and were fighting for the people's freedom. That's great and all, but not the reason we went to war. There's no exit strategy at all. Remember the London bombing not too long ago? That happens EVERYDAY in Iraq. American troop deaths are nearing 1,800, but the government hasn't released the Iraqi numbers.

Now, let's move a little closer to home. The No Child Left Behind Act. Wow. That just sucks. No, really. I've actually heard teachers complain about it. There's no funding and it's unrealistic. It's funding to a school is based on standardized tests(which suck, but that's a different thread). If your school doesn't get high enough scores on these tests, then you're federal funding gets cut. The problem is, not enough schools were getting proper funding, so they couldn't reach these "goals". Several schools in Kansas City, MO were shut down because of it and kids had to be bussed to other schools. This hits close to home for me since I live in Missouri. Yeah, great plan there, Big W.

The plan that was supposed to help our education screwed it over.

Does anybody know what happened with his great plan for Social Security, because I certainly don't know. He used that to help him get re-elected, and nothing's really happened. Hmm. I don't know about you, but I feel really insecure about my retirement.

I do credit him with two amazing abilities, though. One is creating words unheard of before, such as "explorationists"....I prefer explorers myself. His other superpower was somehow uniting the Shiite and Sunni Muslims sects against him....They haven't been united in about a thousand years; now THAT'S how you piss people off. Good job, Bush.

I mean no insult The Separate One, but I think you think highly of him because you listen to what you're told: bullshit.

I am a pro Bush kinda guy. I think that he has done a superior job over the last couple of years to bring stability to our nation. If you disagree please have evidence to back up your disagreement. If you agree please have evidence to support your agreement.

Extracting Infomation on "The Separate One".....

The Separate One Profile:

- Bush lover
- Right-wing extremist
- Wants the US to be a world police
- Hates the UN
- Very religious
- Thinks the US is a free country when Bush banned gay marriages
- Thinks the Iraq war helps eliminating terrorism when terrorists strikes Madrid and London (Terrorists might hit Canada too because of the war in Afghanistan)

lol :D

7. To the guy who said that gay marriage is just wrong, and that we should go somewhere else to get married and never come back, thank you for promoting the American way of life: Tolerence of others and the Melting Pot of society.

Well said. USA promotes freedom to do whatever you want,...if the government allows it and you can pay for it.

Lanquassia, I just read you're list of things we'd better damn well read, and I must give you props for that.

(Terrorists might hit Canada too because of the war in Afghanistan)

Hey, guess where I work? The FBI's #3 most likely Canadian terrorist target - the Tsawwassen Ferry Terminal. :p

Can I hear a "SWEET!"? All I can say is I better be getting benefits. ;)

Hey, guess where I work? The FBI's #3 most likely Canadian terrorist target - the Tsawwassen Ferry Terminal. :p
I've been to that BC Ferries terminal to catch a ferry to Victoria. Anyway, how does that make Tsawwassen a #3 most likely Canadian terrorist target? :confused:
Can I hear a "SWEET!"? All I can say is I better be getting benefits. ;)
SWEEEET :D

Oh ya, I got my "N" this morning. SWEEEEET :D lol
That road test is so friggin easy, but the exam and the new driver's license cost $110!!! BOOOOOOOO!!! :mad:

Put bush as president durring to cuban missle crisis... talks would of broken down because he cant pronounce Nuclear...HIS WIFE EVE TELLS HIM THAT....

Put bush as president durring to cuban missle crisis... talks would of broken down because he cant pronounce Nuclear...HIS WIFE EVE TELLS HIM THAT....

NUU - KERR - LER

lmao :D

I've been to that BC Ferries terminal to catch a ferry to Victoria. Anyway, how does that make Tsawwassen a #3 most likely Canadian terrorist target? :confused:

Oh ya, I got my "N" this morning.

Congratulations!! :D

I got mine on 12 April, and yes, the test is a joke, as long as you're not nervous. ;)

Apparently, it's because Tsawwassen is BC Ferries' flagship terminal, has the most passengers and sailings = maximum carnage.

I am a pro Bush kinda guy. I think that he has done a superior job over the last couple of years to bring stability to our nation. If you disagree please have evidence to back up your disagreement. If you agree please have evidence to support your agreement.

I would simply state the fact that Adolf Hitler did many things to bring stability and strength to Germany following his siezure of power.
The autobahn, the Volkswagen corporation, The wonderful orchards,
however the atrocities commited by the Nazi party displayed to the world the true nature of this bigoted imperilalist dictator. Americans need to take another look at history before they fall for the same old tricks.

It should also be stated that Hitler also convinced his public that they
had much to fear and used that to whittle away at their freedoms one by
one until they were powerless. Patriot Act anyone?

Also worth mentioning---Bush ignored warnings pre-9-11 and let over 3,000
hard working good Americans become martyrs for the cause of his "holy"
war. That sounds pretty un-American to me.

Now that I have excersised my 1st ammendment rights I feel a great sense of satisfaction. I thank any and all servicemen/women who have fought and died for me to have this right. I will continue to excersise this right and encourage everyone to do the same....Until god forbid Bush takes that from us too!

Lanquassia, I just read you're list of things we'd better damn well read, and I must give you props for that.

Why thank you.

Now I have something do to with my stand up comedy routine aside from sit up there and sing 10 fucking lovesongs, all in a row.

...sorry, George Carlin @.@

I would simply state the fact that Adolf Hitler did many things to bring stability and strength to Germany following his siezure of power.
The autobahn, the Volkswagen corporation, The wonderful orchards,
however the atrocities commited by the Nazi party displayed to the world the true nature of this bigoted imperilalist dictator. Americans need to take another look at history before they fall for the same old tricks.

It should also be stated that Hitler also convinced his public that they
had much to fear and used that to whittle away at their freedoms one by
one until they were powerless. Patriot Act anyone?

Also worth mentioning---Bush ignored warnings pre-9-11 and let over 3,000
hard working good Americans become martyrs for the cause of his "holy"
war. That sounds pretty un-American to me.

Now that I have excersised my 1st ammendment rights I feel a great sense of satisfaction. I thank any and all servicemen/women who have fought and died for me to have this right. I will continue to excersise this right and encourage everyone to do the same....Until god forbid Bush takes that from us too!


Godwin's law >.<

That aside, it's apt, and frighteninly on target.

As for military...

I hate warriors, and I hate how the military is being used, but I support every citizen-soldier in the United States Armed Forces.

As a European, reading this post is very entertaining. Please continue.

I second that. As an african i thought that our continent was messy. I thank Bush for proving me wrong!

I second that. As an african i thought that our continent was messy. I thank Bush for proving me wrong!

Ouch. That hurts, like skateboarding in shorts and no shirt, trying to pull off a complicate manuver, then slipping, and sliding/rolling along the concrete for about three feet...

...Then, you know that feeling when someone puts bactine on your scrapes? Like that, only all over your body. For about an hour.

Well since he became president the country has gone to the shitter. We had a budget surplus, thats gone. We had a good economy, thats gone. We had security, thats gone. The governent can spy on us easier now. Average incomes have gone down. And we didn't have our nation's soldiers dieing in some shithole in the middle east.

Well since he became president the country has gone to the shitter. We had a budget surplus, thats gone. We had a good economy, thats gone. We had security, thats gone. The governent can spy on us easier now. Average incomes have gone down. And we didn't have our nation's soldiers dieing in some shithole in the middle east.

I honestly feel sympathy for you Americans that have no say in these matters. But your political system ( or the lack thereof) just disgusts me.
I put it down to power-crazy human beings who should be brought down hard and fast. By the people that they lie to and steal from.

The same thing's been said in the past that George Bush, Sr. was the best president. Others have said the same thing about Reagan, Kennedy, Eisenhauer, and just about any president.
It must just be the "flavour of the term" thing with the greatest President.

The same thing's been said in the past that George Bush, Sr. was the best president. Others have said the same thing about Reagan, Kennedy, Eisenhauer, and just about any president.
It must just be the "flavour of the term" thing with the greatest President.

Again, sympathy to the people with no say. No sympathy to utter blind stupidity. I cannot believe you're actually comparing the situations..Don't know if it's the most disturbing thing i've heard today, or if i should sit back, have a drink and lol.

I still don't see how anyone can say this. It all sounds like republican diehards are trying to convince themselves of it now. "Bush is the best president... honest! You know... he did that thing... with the... uh..."

No, I seriously could not think of anything good Bush has done.
1) obvious one, were in a war. Never a good thing, and we still don't have a concrete answer for why the hell we went in. Lets name a few reasons off shall we? for the people here who don't follow all of this so closely, here are the reasons.

1) WMD's: We've heard it, over, and over. Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. NOTE TO THE SLOW: no, it didn't. So, instead, Bush and his administration covered this excuse up, swore that it was the FBI's fault, and blamed it on Libya (who apparently, according to "intelligence" was trying to say Iraq weapons grade uranium. Not only was this false, it was indeed uranium that could probably be used in a dirty bomb but not much else, but it was a collaboration of intelligence from back before the FIRST Gulf War, and some shaky evidence from the CIA that they through in to give it credibility.)

2) Saddam: Saddam is a bad guy. Granted. However if were going to go and remove all of the "bad guys" from countries, we might as well enlist every man (able bodied or not) give them a gun and start training them now, because that be a hell of a lot of countries. North Korea, Sudan, just about anywhere in Africa really (besides possibly South Africa, but even they have there problems.) Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Vietnam (woo! Because everyone knows the first war was such a riot.) Cambodia... the list goes on and on. Now, I've heard people say the excuse that we went into one country to show the rest what we'll do if you have an "evil" leader. Yeah, apparently we'll invade you while your brooding over which advisor to kill, kill your children and your family, occupy your country, bomb the fucking hell out of it and then sit back as civil war takes over and a shaky puppet regime is installed to siphon oil back to us. let's face it, us attacking Saddam was a short term goal, not the reason for an invasion, and solving the worlds problems through the example of military might in Iraq has also failed miserably. North Korea didn't blink, the Sudanese kept killing, London was bombed, Madrid was bombed, and still our people die.

Terrorism: Simple. Saddam paid off Palestine bombers. Woo. To be honest out of ALL the plights of ALL the countries in the Middle East, you have to hand it to the Palestinians. Here they are, minding there own business, when all of a sudden these immigrants come out of fucking nowhere decide to take there "homeland" back, shoot up your family, blow up shit, use United States and British funded weaponry to annihilate the primitive stuff you and your allies use, and then push you out and slowly assassinate your leaders. I'd be pretty pissed too, and without Apaches what the hell else are they going to use? Rocks? Well, okay they do do that. Also, Saddam and 9/11 had nothing to do with one another. The vast majority of them were Saudis. And the one real kicker now is that people in Iraq are now more prone to becoming Terrorists because there pissed, there poor, and their in a state of martial law (anarchy with guns) right now.

So yes, unless you can point out any I've missed, I'm going to go with my real explanation.

Iraq was invaded because Bush wanted a few things.
A) He wanted to get back for his father, Iraq was an old family grudge, and it pissed him off to see that someone who tried to have Bush Sr. taken out, and invaded one of our allies (the dictator in Kuwait, not exactly a pleasant guy either fyi) he wanted to get back.
B) the old classic. Black gold, Texas tea. Oil. That damned substance that will probably soon replace religion for the most common reasons humans kill each other.
C) Foothold in the Middle East: lets face it, we have allies in all places right now except the Middle East. Israel is there, but they're relying more on us then us them. We need a place with oil, we need a place where we can shove our troops, and we need a place thats strategic and right smack dab in the middle of everything. Iraq fit that bill.

Thats why he invaded. He also ruined the economy, the patriot act is just silly (albeit some of it is neccesary, I'll admit to that, being able to monitor what books you buy is going way too damn far.) and he's letting atrocities that mirror Saddam's go scot free in prisons in Iraq and Guatanamo. He's made the world pissed, the U.N pointless, and his worst mistake is starting this damn trend of "preemptive attacks." Basically if China feels like Mongolia is a threat to there national security, with this precedent they could invade at any time, with minimal warning, and occupy it, take out there leaders, bomb innocent civilians "accidently" while aiming for military targets, subject them to Chinese government, morals, and beliefs, and incorporate them into forced trade aggrements. He lies like a mother, he denies more things than he does, he is an idiot (and I don't believe is running this whole shindig, but there your going into my unimportant psycho rambling) he himself is a coward (National Guard is not in the armed forces. Sorry people, I respect them for going in and helping with the Hurricanes in Florida, I'm glad that people do it, and I honor them for volunteering, but don't pass yourselves off as serving your country in a war because you happened to be in the National Guard in Texas during Vietnam. It's not right) he's a frat boy, and did I mention he's an idiot?

Anyway, my 2 cents can be considered thrown.

horrible president.
After promising to save the social security funds previously set aside by Clinton, the funds were spent within the first 6 months.
He also passed bills to raise "poverty" taxes and lower wealthy taxes.
I really hope my generation makes beter choices than this terrorist...
We're exactly as bad as the alquaida, we hate them because we disagree with their culture, they hate us for the same principles.
The rich don't need to save money, and the poor need the money.
Pig, why doesn't Bush go kill inocent people, or you, instead of us.
I'd only pull that trigger on myself.

You have no idea why they fled. Many fled because they feared things like an overturned Roe v. Wade or a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.

So you're saying many people fled the country cos they were afraid abortion would be made illegal, and that is as bad as the civil war?

I don't even like Bush, but I think you're an idiot.

So you're saying many people fled the country cos they were afraid abortion would be made illegal, and that is as bad as the civil war?

I don't even like Bush, but I think you're an idiot.

ITs the principles behind such an overture.

I was seriously thinking of leaving, and I"m a freaking Nationalist!

Yay. Yes, George Bush is a fantastic president. Only a president of his callibre could possibly find it neccessary to invade a country based on an absolute lie, backed by no evidence, brainwashing the people.

So many of these arguments are about what Bush has done for America, and how America seems to be doing allright. Forget how much he's stuffing the rest of the world, (using France as a scapegoat, ect) when AMERICA is doing allright.

Please, I know that this is a lot to ask for Bush supporters, but I strongly recommend you see a film such as Fahrenheit 9/11, just so can see the opponents side. I will admit, I'm not much of a fan of Michael Moore's style, but he's one of the few 'mainstream' sources of alternative opinion. And once you've heard the whole story, not just one side of it- well, I have doubts if, presented with ALL the facts, all of you will keep your present opinions.

Please trust me.

Incidently- I'm looking for this on the internet- but a while ago, in one of my favourite television programmes, they listed the American states in order from highest average tested IQ to lowest. You can guess the results. The entire bottom half was Bush's, and the entire top third... ahem... 'the other guys'. I'm not saying that to stir, I just thought that was fascinating. No offence meant, of course.

at wat point will you notice that the usa is run for (and by) wealthy old white men that now control the media thereby stiffling debate and other points of view even being aired(giving the image that there is only one option available)
by repeating the same "statement" the ignorant masses accept it as gospel leading to appathy and a state of wat does it matter wat i say(or even worse wat if someone thinks i might be a terrorist....)

sabotage:from the french sabot(shoe) used by masses to destroy the machines of oppression
terrorism:to instill a state of fear in one or more people by any means...
(ie;if the govt says the alert level has risen then they are instilling fear in some of the people therefore terrorising them from a threat that only applies to say...the east west under over airport)

Canada City']http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

For those who want to see a rebuttal of these assertions check out http://www.opednews.com/wade_071004_deception.htm :sniper: It does all my talking for me. (I am soooo lazy ;) ) :mp5:

For those who want to see a rebuttal of these assertions check out http://www.opednews.com/wade_071004_deception.htm :sniper: It does all my talking for me. (I am soooo lazy ;) ) :mp5:

I love how some of the rebuttals there are more of opinion then fact.

For the last time, Camp David is NOT a vacation hotspot. It shouldn't count and fatty knows this.

Unfortunately, that idea is moot to me ... if Canada ever does have a draft, claiming to be gay won't save me. The military's first gay marriage happened a while back.

We have a military? I thought it was a myth!

If Bush dies today, the world would be a better place, one less rightwing conservative christian corporate asshole to worry about ... all his followers though ... worrying, IS HALF OF AMERICA THAT F*CKING STUPID?! WHAT THE HELL, only hope u get ur ass bombed like you did to the poor people of Iraq and Vietnam. To the rest of America (you beautiful, intelligent people :D) I admire your tolerance, but why bother with people who wont tolerate you? Sooner or later you're gonna have to learn to kill rednecks and take back your country ...

Good Point! :D

What a great thread...

One dork says that Bush is the greatest president in history, and wants people to give proof of that being false.

As if anyone can actually prove a belief wrong.

Now, if you wanted to prove, for example, Bush's ineptitude, thats easy.
If you wanted to prove that he continually lies to the American people, thats not hard either.
If, for example, you wanted to show how horrible Bush's foreign relations are, and how he squandered world support after 9/11, by launching a military conflict, against the wishes of the U.N, based on horrible information, and then lied about it to the american public...thats all easy to do.

While Im going...

If you wanted to prove his fiscal irresponsibilty, and show how he squandered the biggest surplus in history, and turned it into the biggest national debt...thats all documented.

If you wanted to show his idiocy in the farce we call "The War on Terror", all you have to do is watch the news.
After all, a "Liberation of the Iraqi people" has turned into a probably permanent military occupation on hostile territory, wich costs American military, and Iraqi civillian lives every single day.

Or, you can watch him support, and harbor criminals in his cabinet by the probable pardon of Karl Rove.

Anyone who honestly believes that Bush is the greatest American President is an idiot of the lowest calibre.

Alright pal, people like you anger me. You obviously haven't listening to any of the commentary on Rove. Firstly, he didn't expose her name.

Ah yes, because he had so many wives . . .

Canada City']We have a military? I thought it was a myth!

Actually, we got a crappy military.

Underfunded national defence full of broken down Seakings and leaky Victoria class submarines.

Actually, we got a crappy military.

Underfunded national defence full of broken down Seakings and leaky Victoria class submarines.
more than a rowboat!?!?!?!? :p

Actually, we got a crappy military.

Underfunded national defence full of broken down Seakings and leaky Victoria class submarines.

Hey, we've got some of the best fighter pilots and snipers you could ever hope to have. :)
Sure, the equipment isn't up to US standards... but we're not a warmongering nation like the US, either...

If Bush dies today, the world would be a better place, one less rightwing conservative christian corporate asshole to worry about ... all his followers though ... worrying, IS HALF OF AMERICA THAT F*CKING STUPID?! WHAT THE HELL, only hope u get ur ass bombed like you did to the poor people of Iraq and Vietnam. To the rest of America (you beautiful, intelligent people :D) I admire your tolerance, but why bother with people who wont tolerate you? Sooner or later you're gonna have to learn to kill rednecks and take back your country ...

Ah, screw that. I'm ready for another Civil War. Let the South freaking secede again, and this time, I hope they don't let the door hit 'em in the ass on the way out!! Who the hell needs 'em? Let' em go form their own country again, and we can be the United States again...and they can be Jesusland, for all I care!

The Red States all hate us liberals so much, why don't they just secede? We promise not to go running after them!! We really don't want them, anyway!!

We'll take the East and West Coast, and the Northern Blue States, and have OUR country...they can take the damn South and the Plains States, and adios! Let 'em go. Who wants them, anyway?

They can take all thier corporatist assholes with 'em, and all their fundie stupid idiots like Falwell with 'em.

I am a pro Bush kinda guy. I think that he has done a superior job over the last couple of years to bring stability to our nation. If you disagree please have evidence to back up your disagreement. If you agree please have evidence to support your agreement.
im so so sorry but i think bush did a horrible job.. im against him.. i have my personal views and im sticking with them. you have your thought ill have mine.. my beliefs and feelings (personal) are my evidence.. hes just a bad idiotic sickening thing in my eyes.. hes an asshole and bombs everyone and everything that disagrees with him.. watch out london, you may be next.

If Bush dies today, the world would be a better place, one less rightwing conservative christian corporate asshole to worry about ... all his followers though ... worrying, IS HALF OF AMERICA THAT F*CKING STUPID?! WHAT THE HELL, only hope u get ur ass bombed like you did to the poor people of Iraq and Vietnam. To the rest of America (you beautiful, intelligent people :D) I admire your tolerance, but why bother with people who wont tolerate you? Sooner or later you're gonna have to learn to kill rednecks and take back your country ...

Unfortunately, YES...half of America IS that stupid. Since, I assume, you are not American, I'll try to explain it to you. These other half of America are knee-jerk reactionaries, and all you gotta do to get their votes is promise to not let those scary gays get married, and they will vote against their own economic self-interest, just to make sure them scary gays can't get married!

We call them the GAGG voters. Guns. Abortion. Gays. God. Those four issues are like dynamite to them. the Republican Party plays to the lowest common denominator...fear...and plays it up to the hilt, and these GAGG voters react predictably.

They tell them we wanna take away their guns. (we don't) and they believe them and vote for them.
They tell them we want to kill babies (abortion) - Again, we don't. We just want a woman to be able to make her own decisions about her own body.
They tell them we wanna force their wives and daughters to become lesbians, and we wanna recruit their sons to be gay, and they tell them that if we allow gays to marry then the human race will go extinct...and they believe it (as if the only reason there aren't more gays is because they can't get married...puh-leeeze!!)
They say we are against God (we aren't) but they believe it. They tell tem we want to stop them from worhipping thier fairy tale. We don't. We just don't want it shoved down our throats or codified into our civil law, and the reason we don't is because it is against our Constitution to do so. No matter...they saty we are against God, and the GAGG voters react accordingly.

Understand how it works now??

What you need to remember is you are dealing with a bunch of people who actually WANT to be told what to think, what to read, what to believe, what to see, what to hear...and they want everyone else to be told, too.

See, THEY don't want free will, really...and so they don't want anyone ELSE to have free will, either. They want to be automatons, told what to think, what to believe, what to see, hear, read, and say. They really do want to be led. They don't wanna think for themselves. And anyone who DOES think for themselves is a threat in their eyes.

All you have to do is promise to keep the scary gays from marrying, tell them we wanna take their guns away, and that we wanna kill children, and that we are anti-God...and they believe every word of it.

Now do you understand?

This is the mentality we are dealing with.

That why I say they should just secede now. We won't even go after them this time. Let 'em leave, we'll be better off without them. they can have their little fascist paradise, and we can have our country back, and everyone wins that way.

I dunno why they don't just take and divide the country up already. they don't want anything to do with us or our ideas...and we don't want anything to do with them or their ideas. We are more divided and polarized than we ever have been in modern history. Each side truly HATES the other side. So I say split us up now, nice and clean, have done with it, and goodbye Red States. We don't need you, and we won't miss you, either!

If Bush dies today, the world would be a better place, one less rightwing conservative christian corporate asshole to worry about ... all his followers though ... worrying, IS HALF OF AMERICA THAT F*CKING STUPID?! WHAT THE HELL, only hope u get ur ass bombed like you did to the poor people of Iraq and Vietnam. To the rest of America (you beautiful, intelligent people :D) I admire your tolerance, but why bother with people who wont tolerate you? Sooner or later you're gonna have to learn to kill rednecks and take back your country ...
Freistaat Sachsen you pwn :D

Geeze was this thread really created only yesterday!?

the title of this thread makes me want to puke.

<eelise> you should add that he was good friends with people who had connections to terrorists
<Canadiana> bush is a dickbyte fucktard twunt
<eelise> also add that he arranged for the bin laden family to be flown out of the country right after 9/11
<eelise> no one else could get out, but they were escorted by the fbi
<eelise> I think I wanna be a terrorist too, bush would love me

yep bush is very loved.

<eelise> you should also ask how they justify that bush went from afghanistan to iraq
<eelise> he said bin laden and saddam hussain were connected
<eelise> but they hate each other
<liz6204> he needs to go after Bin
<liz6204> since hes got Saddam
<ni`n-eta> that was waaay off track.. they couldnt find bin laden so they took cnn to iraq
<eelise> he needs to step down, that's what he needs to do
<eelise> and you stupid americans got him elected once again
<ni`n-eta> have you seen 1 news show talk about afghanistan since iraq?
<ni`n-eta> nope
<ni`n-eta> well we like to kill soldiers we're friends and relatives with
<eelise> I understand why you did it tho
<eelise> You get brain washed over there
<eelise> I got brain washed when I was there
<eelise> I thought Bush did a good job going into Iraq cus saddam is a bad man
<ni`n-eta> yes
<eelise> I would never have thought that if I was here
(eelise is in Norway)

Well, to be fair, US universities are dominated by what you refer to as liberals. A lot of time spent in that setting must certainly have an effect on someone. They are, however, not liberals, they are usually socialists or some other left-wing ideology that has hijacked that noble term. It rightly belongs to libertarians, thank you.Heh, thanks for pointing that out. I shouldn't haved used the dreaded L-word, especially because I hate how people label things so. I'm Libertarian myself, and concur with you.

You Americans and your political revisionism. It's no wonder your country is tumbling headlong into a Police State - you all lack(or rather waste time defining and re-defining) the necessary political verbiage to properly understand what's happening to your nation.

And I don't believe that's coincidence.

Crazy libertarians and there weird labels...

However "liberal" Is less a label and more a way of defining what "we" (as in us weird left winger types) act like and believe in. However, saying thats all relative and liberal is a pretty open word to define, I won't go into that.

And really "Liberals" (as in Democrats when Republicans say it, or Democratic Socialists when Democrats say it...) normally don't call THEMSELVES Liberals, because its turned into a naughty word somehow. He's... He's LIBERAL! Hide the children! He's pro choice, likes the fags and supports health care! Egads does his evil know no bounds?! And this is what democrats in red country have to deal with.

All seriousness aside, it really is a bad label for Democrats. It's more for you crazed libertarian types. And to be honest, if it will keep Fox from whining about the "liberal" (democratic/left wing/commie pinko) bias in the media, you know, all the media Fox and its affiliates own, as well as all those that support some republican teachings... or have to deal with money... or... well, you get the idea, then by all means Libertarians, KEEP the phrase liberal. We gladly hand you the crown of thorns that somehow this word has turned to be.

<eelise> you should add that he was good friends with people who had connections to terrorists
<Canadiana> bush is a dickbyte fucktard twunt
<eelise> also add that he arranged for the bin laden family to be flown out of the country right after 9/11
<eelise> no one else could get out, but they were escorted by the fbi
<eelise> I think I wanna be a terrorist too, bush would love me

yep bush is very loved.

<eelise> you should also ask how they justify that bush went from afghanistan to iraq
<eelise> he said bin laden and saddam hussain were connected
<eelise> but they hate each other
<liz6204> he needs to go after Bin
<liz6204> since hes got Saddam
<ni`n-eta> that was waaay off track.. they couldnt find bin laden so they took cnn to iraq
<eelise> he needs to step down, that's what he needs to do
<eelise> and you stupid americans got him elected once again
<ni`n-eta> have you seen 1 news show talk about afghanistan since iraq?
<ni`n-eta> nope
<ni`n-eta> well we like to kill soldiers we're friends and relatives with
<eelise> I understand why you did it tho
<eelise> You get brain washed over there
<eelise> I got brain washed when I was there
<eelise> I thought Bush did a good job going into Iraq cus saddam is a bad man
<ni`n-eta> yes
<eelise> I would never have thought that if I was here
(eelise is in Norway)

Haha funny!!
But really most people don't even like Bush, they just thought he was better than the alternative (Kerry) Personnally i would take the idiot over the buffoon(bush) anyday

And You know it took me quite sometime to realize the whole switch from Afghanistan to Iraq....stupid brain washing/currupt government

You Americans and your political revisionism. It's no wonder your country is tumbling headlong into a Police State - you all lack(or rather waste time defining and re-defining) the necessary political verbiage to properly understand what's happening to your nation.

And I don't believe that's coincidence.
Agreed! If I have to hear one more fool call Democrats "left wing" I'm going to puke.

What's my favorite US political revisionism? Idiots who claim the framers of the constitution were good Christians and meant that seperation of church and state was only to prevent a state religion. I've had people insist that Jefferson and Washington were Christians who would have supported their born again Christian theocratic ideals.

PS the Democrats are slightly right wing. When Republicans accuse Democrats of being extreme left wing they look stupid. WTF is cuba?

Agreed! If I have to hear one more fool call Democrats "left wing" I'm going to puke.

What's my favorite US political revisionism? Idiots who claim the framers of the constitution were good Christians and meant that seperation of church and state was only to prevent a state religion. I've had people insist that Jefferson and Washington were Christians who would have supported their born again Christian theocratic ideals.

PS the Democrats are slightly right wing. When Republicans accuse Democrats of being extreme left wing they look stupid. WTF is cuba?

Nice first post, Martmania.

It's hard trying to relate to people politically when all referents have been so distorted as be completely out-of-step with the world outside the continental United States - to such a degree as to render the nomenclature near-useless at best, and deliberately deleterious to legitimate political dissension within a western liberal democracy.
When people are stripped of their ability to say what they mean, compounded with the inability to have adequate political representation capable of and willing to express dissension, not only can they not mean what they say, but they also lack the means to say it to the rest of us.

Nice first post, Martmania.


Thanks it's good to be here!
:D

then by all means Libertarians, KEEP the phrase liberal. We gladly hand you the crown of thorns that somehow this word has turned to be.Libertarians aren't keeping the label "LIBERAL." It's the exact opposite. It's the right who mis-labels Democrats as liberals, which is a JOKE IMO. And as already stated, the Democrats do the same and label to the left even further. Libertarians don't consider themselves "liberal," in terms of the conotation, not the definition. We're right-wing, we just VALUE personal freedoms...

Libertarians aren't keeping the label "LIBERAL." It's the exact opposite. It's the right who mis-labels Democrats as liberals, which is a JOKE IMO. And as already stated, the Democrats do the same and label to the left even further. Libertarians don't consider themselves "liberal," in terms of the conotation, not the definition. We're right-wing, we just VALUE personal freedoms...

Which is why I am at least able to tolerate Libertarians. Though I disagree completely with y'all regarding economic issues...at least y'all DO value personal freedoms, unlike Republicans, who want to take them away from us!

I see that a lot of people feel very strongly about this issue, and are willing to contribute insightful arguments either for/against/on the fence. If anyone does wish to take this further, see the 'Rival Think Tank' thread and you can sign up. The policies of Bush (in one form or another) are issues we will almost undoubtedly discuss.

I see that a lot of people feel very strongly about this issue, and are willing to contribute insightful arguments either for/against/on the fence. If anyone does wish to take this further, see the 'Rival Think Tank' thread and you can sign up. The policies of Bush (in one form or another) are issues we will almost undoubtedly discuss.

That's pretty weak, trying to bolster one thread by posting on another.