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http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/action/gta4/news_6129500.html

Apparently the PS2 and Xbox console versions are not spared of such a rating either.

Anyone been to a local Wal Mart or Target recently? I want to know if they ripped the title off the shelves yet. Or at least in the coming days.

Now Hilary Clinton lost a huge portion of voters in her 2008 campaign. Every player of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. Smart move. Don't expect younger voters to take sympathy on you. Your no democrat to me!

It seems that after months and months of pathetic attacks from Washington on the game based on false accusations that the game promoted violence amongst gamers, they finally won.

well THERE! what an accomplishment

no kid will ever play that game again

well done!

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http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/action/gta4/news_6129500.html

Apparently the PS2 and Xbox console versions are not spared of such a rating either.

Anyone been to a local Wal Mart or Target recently? I want to know if they ripped the title off the shelves yet. Or at least in the coming days.

Now Hilary Clinton lost a huge portion of voters in her 2008 campaign. Every player of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. Smart move. Don't expect younger voters to take sympathy on you. Your no democrat to me!

Gods damn it. This is just utterly assinine to do this. I'll not be surprised if Wal Mart does take it off the shelves. *rolls eyes*

Does that just mean that nobody under 18 can buy it?

Does that just mean that nobody under 18 can buy it?
It means that even if you ARE 18, it will be damn well difficult to find it.

Sad to say, rockstar dropped the ball majorly on this, they have no excuse for including the code in the game.

They had every opportunity to remove the code for the sex minigames, and their failure to do so borders on idiocy.

Does that just mean that nobody under 18 can buy it?

Yeah, and by extension, most stores won't carry it.

It means that even if you ARE 18, it will be damn well difficult to find it.
Thats a bit shit...in the UK an 18 rating just means that the retailer is meant to make sure you're at least 18 before you buy it, and everywhere still stocks the game.

Sad to say, rockstar dropped the ball majorly on this, they have no excuse for including the code in the game.

They had every opportunity to remove the code for the sex minigames, and their failure to do so borders on idiocy.
I'm pretty sure they never planned on anyone spending such a long time unlocking the hidden code.

cant they just take the offending peice of code out and continue to classify it as M?

Thats a bit shit...in the UK an 18 rating just means that the retailer is meant to make sure you're at least 18 before you buy it, and everywhere still stocks the game.
Well, the big-name retailors (Wal Mart, Target, etc.) absolutely refuse to stock the game.

Though, it makes sense considering the stores claim to be kid-friendly.

cant they just take the offending peice of code out and continue to classify it as M?
They are trying to. It's in the article.

Well, the big-name retailors (Wal Mart, Target, etc.) absolutely refuse to stock the game.

Though, it makes sense considering the stores claim to be kid-friendly.
That's pretty funny really...even Tesco here sells it, and they're the biggest supermarket who tries to be all family friendly. And all the music and games stores sell it.

i think that its all really stupid
yeah, its for a mature audience
its the parents job to keep the children out of that stuff.
the AO rating :sniper: :sniper: :sniper:

I'm pretty sure they never planned on anyone spending such a long time unlocking the hidden code.


That isnt an excuse, they deliberately included it when it was easy to remove it.

I am opposed to the banter about video games and think was unwise to change the rating to AO because of sex instead of violence, but culpability lies enitrely with rockstar for putting that code in their game.

Score 1 for censorship! Yeah...God bless you sons-a-bitches! You're so freaking great! I hope you rot in hell!

Facsists!

(Goes to beat up Rockstar Programer's Corps, the Speaker of the House, every Christian Family Group in existence, the ESRB, Tipper Gore and Hillary Clinton)

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Sad to say, rockstar dropped the ball majorly on this, they have no excuse for including the code in the game.

They had every opportunity to remove the code for the sex minigames, and their failure to do so borders on idiocy.

What sex minigames?

I'm probably being slow - but as I sit here looking at my copy of GTA:SA, with it's big shiny red "18" on the front cover, I think, "was this NOT originally an adults only game?"

And then I look at the rest of this thread and think, "what a bloody silly question"...

But I guess America and Britain must have very different ideas about what constitutes kids' entertainment.

Actually, there's nothing wrong with such rating since the game after all, does allow players to "take part" in the simulation of adult activities (regardless of whether you are just watching textured 3D models animated in subjective movements or not); and since the M-rated games often manages to slip in the hands of people younger than 17 anyways, I must praise the decision despite the fact that I do not agree to the existing opposition against some of the games in general. Similarily, I sincerely hope that no major bookstore will just put magazines with computer and hand-drawn adult materials directly on the stand, either, for everyone to see, read, and buy.

On a side note, congratulations to all of those who owns original copies of GTA:SA with the M label. You now own a limited edition which will be no longer produced in the future :D

Actually, there's nothing wrong with such rating since the game after all, does allow players to "take part" in the simulation of adult activities (regardless of whether you are just watching textured 3D models animated in subjective movements or not); and since the M-rated games often manages to slip in the hands of people younger than 17 anyways, I must praise the decision despite the fact that I do not agree to the existing opposition against some of the games in general. Similarily, I sincerely hope that no major bookstore will just put magazines with computer and hand-drawn adult materials directly on the stand, either, for everyone to see, read, and buy.

On a side note, congratulations to all of those who owns original copies of GTA:SA with the M label. You now own a limited edition which will be no longer produced in the future :D
TO EBAY!

On a side note, congratulations to all of those who owns original copies of GTA:SA with the M label. You now own a limited edition which will be no longer produced in the future :D

...Okay, I can dig that.

One of the best console games available..

Ok listen to this for cool you know the two bridges on San andreas they are the forth road bridges in Fife, Scotland, I grew up next to them and to see them in my favourite game makes my day everytime I go across them.

Rockstar have a base in Edinburgh 20 minutes away, my whole lively hood is there lol

Bless them, and to be honest I was trying to get in contact with their office to moan about why scotland hadn't been in any games yet.

Obviously I didn't steal cars or sleep with prostitutes..

Hope these pics work ..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v344/camdean2204/road1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v344/camdean2204/forthrail1.jpg

I seem to remember Conker's Bad Fur Day being rated AO and still sold almost everywhere. That was back in the day of N64 though.

I'm pretty sure they never planned on anyone spending such a long time unlocking the hidden code.

*Sighs*When will they learn to stop underestimating the modding community?

Colodia, what say you, Czardas and I go Vice City on them, and get some tanks and an attack helicopter, and declare war, since video games have obviously taught us how to procure these things..?

I don't think they underestimated the modding community at all, I think they underestimated Hillary Clinton. I'm sure they left the code in, fully expecting all of this to come out of it and get tons of free publicity without anything truly damaging them, but they didn't actually expect the game to get slammed with an AO rating because of it: they thought they'd be protected from that because you need to modify the game code to get at the content.

Really though, the whole thing is just silly - it's no different from a person standing in front of you fully dressed: sure, there's a naked person there underneath all of the clothes, but you have to get those clothes off first to see the naked person. Slapping this game with an AO rating is like banning everybody from going outside because hey, if you take off their clothes, they'll be naked, and we don't want our kids seeing naked people, god forbid *rolls eyes*

*Sighs*When will they learn to stop underestimating the modding community?

Colodia, what say you, Czardas and I go Vice City on them, and get some tanks and an attack helicopter, and declare war, since video games have obviously taught us how to procure these things..?
Oh, wait, I gotta go carjack someone and then bang a prostitute. I'll meet up with you later. ;)

I'm probably being slow - but as I sit here looking at my copy of GTA:SA, with it's big shiny red "18" on the front cover, I think, "was this NOT originally an adults only game?"

And then I look at the rest of this thread and think, "what a bloody silly question"...

But I guess America and Britain must have very different ideas about what constitutes kids' entertainment.
Our rating systems are different from Britain, apparently.

When a game is rated by the ESRB for "mature gamers only," it is required that someone must be 17 or older to pick it up and is slapped with a "Mature" rating. But a Mature-rated game can be bought anywhere.

When a game is rated as "adults only", you must be an adult to buy the game AND games with these ratings are NOT sold in all the major American retailors.

Basically, an M-rated game will fall into the hands of millions of kids, easily.
An Adults Only game will be VERY hard to fall into the hands of kids.

Though the damage is done really. I'm pretty sure that 90% of everyone that wants/wanted GTA:SA already has a copy. Everyone else can hopefully get it off the internet or find a friend.


And I do like the fact that I own a bit of video game history with my M-rated GTA:SA. :D

Oh, wait, I gotta go carjack someone and then bang a prostitute. I'll meet up with you later. ;)

Make sure to do me proud and run her over, and get your money back, man. I hear bangin' 'em cures you of illnesses these days. Awesome, isn't it?

LOL it's just become FAR more popular.

Besides, there are plenty of places that WILL sell it.

LOL it's just become FAR more popular.

Besides, there are plenty of places that WILL sell it.
I don't know of any major retailors that sell AO-games...


....Gamestop? I haven't seen any there though....

LOL it's just become FAR more popular.

Besides, there are plenty of places that WILL sell it.

Actually, from what I understand, if you're not in the gaming community, or know people who are, it's just been some little blurp most people haven't noticed, but I could be wrong.

To hear Hilary Clinton maon about how GTA corrupts people and could make people shoot up school is a total laugh..

I mean what happens to a crazy teenager when he plays GTA - nothing.

What happens when a crazy teenager can buy a gun on a corner shop - he uses it.

Sheer arrogance maybe even somewhat jealous of the amount of sales it has made compared to US games.

IDIOTS

Actually, from what I understand, if you're not in the gaming community, or know people who are, it's just been some little blurp most people haven't noticed, but I could be wrong.
No, people WILL notice that GTA:SA isn't on shelves anymore. The news might take a while to travel about the sex mod, though.

News about where to buy the game will travel MUCH slower, though.

I doubt the gamers will let this happen, it will be amongst the gamers that the word spreads and lists on forums etc ..

ROCKSTAR RULE !!!!!

No, people WILL notice that GTA:SA isn't on shelves anymore. The news might take a while to travel about the sex mod, though.

News about where to buy the game will travel MUCH slower, though.

No, no..I meant about what's happening now, not after there's a visible effect.

Off Topic: I wonder how Max Payne 3 is coming along, I loved the First one, the second one...eh.

On Topic: I'm not a fan of the games, but I feel all your pain. I hate people who say violent video games make you violent :headbang:

Bluestrips2']To hear Hilary Clinton maon about how GTA corrupts people and could make people shoot up school is a total laugh..
Did you hear her compare video games to tobacco and alcohol? Bloody insane!

Did you hear her compare video games to tobacco and alcohol? Bloody insane!

Well, there IS a drinking game for HALO (but can be used for any multi FPS). You take a large swig of beer each time you kill someone. All the really good players get plastered first, then the good ones, then average, then the shitty, and then, it all evens out. ...yeah, I know some odd people. No, I've not done it.

I cant say I agree with this decision. But I have to admit I see where they are coming from. Keeping the M rating was kind of compromising the reliability of their rating system. If people's confidence in the rating system is lost, it can only harm the industry. Maintaining consumer confidence in your product is of utmost importance and I can see why they made this decision even if they were not truly liable.

I dont see why so many people here are complaining. The effect of this will be that you might have to go to different stores to get the game until they release the truly M rated version in a month or two.

I cant say I agree with this decision. But I have to admit I see where they are coming from. Keeping the M rating was kind of compromising the reliability of their rating system. If people's confidence in the rating system is lost, it can only harm the industry. Maintaining consumer confidence in your product is of utmost importance and I can see why they made this decision even if they were not truly liable.

Just one problem with that. Nobody asked the government to maintain consumer confidence for them. Trust me, they had enough of that.

Just one problem with that. Nobody asked the government to maintain consumer confidence for them. Trust me, they had enough of that.

The government didnt do anything for them. The ESRB is an industry group that is not related to the government in any way. It was their decision to change the rating, not the government's.

I cant say I agree with this decision. But I have to admit I see where they are coming from. Keeping the M rating was kind of compromising the reliability of their rating system. If people's confidence in the rating system is lost, it can only harm the industry. Maintaining consumer confidence in your product is of utmost importance and I can see why they made this decision even if they were not truly liable.

I dont see why so many people here are complaining. The effect of this will be that you might have to go to different stores to get the game until they release the truly M rated version in a month or two.
It's the principle of the thing. It undermines the video gaming industry.

Basically Hilary Clinton just declared violent video game hunting season officially open.

The government didnt do anything for them. The ESRB is an industry group that is not related to the government in any way. It was their decision to change the rating, not the government's.
No, the government did put pressure on the government-created ESRB to re-rate the game.

Did you hear her compare video games to tobacco and alcohol? Bloody insane!

LooL Thats even crazier ROFL she needs help :D


I cant say I agree with this decision. But I have to admit I see where they are coming from. Keeping the M rating was kind of compromising the reliability of their rating system. If people's confidence in the rating system is lost, it can only harm the industry. Maintaining consumer confidence in your product is of utmost importance and I can see why they made this decision even if they were not truly liable.

I dont see why so many people here are complaining. The effect of this will be that you might have to go to different stores to get the game until they release the truly M rated version in a month or two.

You have a good point there it is up to us to look out for our future, but some of the things they are trying to claim are preposterous and just plain stupid basically using games an excuse for something that needs to be solved and they don't know how.

Gah, I think I might just speak to my Senators about this. I believe one of our men actually helped jump-start the attack on GTA:SA.

No, the government did put pressure on the government-created ESRB to re-rate the game.

The government never took a stance on this issue. Individual politicians spoke out on this issue, but the government took no stance. The ESRB was not created by the government, it was created by the Entertainment Software Association, a private political action group. Saying that the ESA is a government entity would be like saying the NRA or the ACLU is a government entity.

Well Hilary Clinton can go STRAIGHT to Hell! The bitch doesn't deserve to run for president, and I'll make DAMN sure she doesn't win the primary.

And the thing about it is, the retailers aren't going to give a shit if it's AO. They'll keep selling, and keeping it in their shelves. Well that is Gamestop, and other smart retailers. Seriously, if you screw up and not put it on your shelves, then your going to lose a lot of profit. Trust me, if anyone was smart, then they'd keep GTA on their shelves. But as for the next one Rockstar will be a bit more careful. And if the next game is AO, retailers WILL keep it on their shelves. They aren't stupid, and they don't give two flying shitting squirrels about Hilary Clinton and Tipper Gore. For all the care, they can suck their husbands penises a little bit more.


Oh and please note that this is taking away from our freedoms. If she does plan on censoring games, and putting a swearing limit. THAT IS TOTALLY AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION. That is against our freedoms. If she doesn't believe in basic freedoms, SHE'S A DAMN COMMUNIST. With her damn censorship! And if she does win the primary, looks like we're stuck with Jeb.

The government never took a stance on this issue. Individual politicians spoke out on this issue, but the government took no stance. The ESRB was not created by the government, it was created by the Entertainment Software Association, a private political action group. Saying that the ESA is a government entity would be like saying the NRA or the ACLU is a government entity.
The government has been pushing bills into the Senate/House for months now to crack down on violent video games. Specifically, all because of this game in particular.

Hilary Clinton is a state senator. And she knowingly used her power and influence to force ESRB to rerate the game or she would've otherwise proposed a bill to the Senate to remodel the ESRB to something more to her liking. Don't think the government never had and never planned on taking a stance.

Well Hilary Clinton can go STRAIGHT to Hell! The bitch doesn't deserve to run for president, and I'll make DAMN sure she doesn't win the primary.

And the thing about it is, the retailers aren't going to give a shit if it's AO. They'll keep selling, and keeping it in their shelves. Well that is Gamestop, and other smart retailers. Seriously, if you screw up and not put it on your shelves, then your going to lose a lot of profit. Trust me, if anyone was smart, then they'd keep GTA on their shelves. But as for the next one Rockstar will be a bit more careful. And if the next game is AO, retailers WILL keep it on their shelves. They aren't stupid, and they don't give two flying shitting squirrels about Hilary Clinton and Tipper Gore. For all the care, they can suck their husbands penises a little bit more.


Oh and please note that this is taking away from our freedoms. If she does plan on censoring games, and putting a swearing limit. THAT IS TOTALLY AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION. That is against our freedoms. If she doesn't believe in basic freedoms, SHE'S A DAMN COMMUNIST. With her damn censorship! And if she does win the primary, looks like we're stuck with Jeb.
It's basically a toss up between a Democratic bitch and a Republican spawned from the same sperm container as Bush Jr?

I think I'll go with Jeb. At least the Republicans can keep their ultra-conservative stereotype. No way will Hillary mess us up.

I find it strange that they admit that running people over with cars, gunning them down, setting them on fire, shooting police and government officals, planting bombs, hit and run, stealing cars, sniping people John Malvo style actually gets a LOWER rating then sex since obviously the sex is what bumped the rating up....

wanton murder and crime....is okie...but god damn it dont put sex in there or else we will rate it adult....

Oh and please note that this is taking away from our freedoms. If she does plan on censoring games, and putting a swearing limit. THAT IS TOTALLY AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION. That is against our freedoms. If she doesn't believe in basic freedoms, SHE'S A DAMN COMMUNIST. With her damn censorship! And if she does win the primary, looks like we're stuck with Jeb.

You make me smile. :)

The government has been pushing bills into the Senate/House for months now to crack down on violent video games. Specifically, all because of this game in particular.

Hilary Clinton is a state senator. And she knowingly used her power and influence to force ESRB to rerate the game or she would've otherwise proposed a bill to the Senate to remodel the ESRB to something more to her liking. Don't think the government never had and never planned on taking a stance.

Could you name some of those bills? More specifically could you name some that passed? I didnt think so. The fact remains that the government took no position on this issue. Individual politicians speaking out against something do not constitute the government forcing anything. Plenty of politicians speak out against plenty of issues they feel strongly about all the time, and attempt to push legislation on them. This does not constitute government pressure. The government has taken no stance on this issue other than the long standing stance that the industry can adequately regulate its self.

You make me smile. :)
Most sensible person to ever talk like that. Ever.

I find it strange that they admit that running people over with cars, gunning them down, setting them on fire, shooting police and government officals, planting bombs, hit and run, stealing cars, sniping people John Malvo style actually gets a LOWER rating then sex since obviously the sex is what bumped the rating up....

wanton murder and crime....is okie...but god damn it dont put sex in there or else we will rate it adult....

Hillary and her ilk have been pushing for violent games to be banned for years.

Oh great! I hope the socker moms can sleep better tonight knowing thier kids, as well as gamers all over the nations can't play/ have difficulty getting GTA.

F*$K it, I am going to go blow off some steam with the M-16 in BF vietnam. :sniper:

F*$K it, I am going to go blow off some steam with the M-16 in BF vietnam. :sniper:

Heck, I’m just going to go play GTA III. I’ll pretend all the innocents are Hillary. :D

Vote Republican!

Us Republicans don't do this crap!!! Only Democrats do! ;)

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And by the way, look at this crap on the ESRB website:

Title Publisher Platform Rating Descriptor
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Rockstar Games PC,Playstation 2,Xbox Adults Only (18+) Blood and Gore,Intense Violence,Nudity, Strong Language,Strong Sexual Content,Use of Drugs

Did you hear her compare video games to tobacco and alcohol? Bloody insane!
Yeah, that was weird. I mean, how many people do violent video games kill per year?

Yeah, that was weird. I mean, how many people do violent video games kill per year?
I think I heard of a kid choking on his GTA:VC CD at one time...

...or I might just be making this up on the spot because the answer is NONE!

I mean, all video games have done to kill a person was make a crazy guy go shoot people.

I mean, all video games have done to kill a person was make a crazy guy go shoot people.
The guy was crazy to begin with as well. I highly doubt you go insane by playing video games.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0001VGFK2/qid=1121922805/sr=8-5/ref=sr_8__i5_xgl63/102-8306712-8392118?v=glance&s=videogames&n=541966

Have a blast. Amazon has it, and gives a discount to boot.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0001VGFK2/qid=1121922805/sr=8-5/ref=sr_8__i5_xgl63/102-8306712-8392118?v=glance&s=videogames&n=541966

Have a blast. Amazon has it, and gives a discount to boot.
Awesome, savings of 11 cents!

It means that even if you ARE 18, it will be damn well difficult to find it.

Oh, suck it up, and buy the damn thing on the internet. Seriously, it's not that hard to get GTA: SA now that it's been labeled AO and yanked off shelves.

Oh, suck it up, and buy the damn thing on the internet. Seriously, it's not that hard to get GTA: SA now that it's been labeled AO and yanked off shelves.
Well I already have the game. It's the poor uninformed consumer I'm afraid of.

Well I already have the game. It's the poor uninformed consumer I'm afraid of.

Yeah, I figured, my comment was directing to people whining about it... should've made it more clear.

News about where to buy the game will travel MUCH slower, though.
you would be able to acquire a copy from amazon.com

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Bah! GTA:SA is sooooo last year. It's all about GTA4 for the PS3 now! Now I wonder how much my M rated copy will be worth on Ebay....

http://www.unblogged.net/index.php?n=v&id=50

That article pretty accurately sums up the whole situation for anyone that doesn't know anything about the controversy and/or people who may be confused.

It also explains what Take-Two is going to do about the current M-rated games on the shelves.

By the way, Best Buy is yanking the game from their stores, and their online stores. Remember, Take-Two just made the press release yesterday, and almost all retailers make significant inventory changes on Monday nights (I work at an entertainment retailer...and not sure whether or not we're yanking the game).

Our rating systems are different from Britain, apparently.

When a game is rated by the ESRB for "mature gamers only," it is required that someone must be 17 or older to pick it up and is slapped with a "Mature" rating. But a Mature-rated game can be bought anywhere.

When a game is rated as "adults only", you must be an adult to buy the game AND games with these ratings are NOT sold in all the major American retailors.

Basically, an M-rated game will fall into the hands of millions of kids, easily.
An Adults Only game will be VERY hard to fall into the hands of kids.
Blimey. Then yes, they are very different. We have a ratings system administered by the BBFC - the British Board of Film Classification. Despite the name, the board's remit does extend to computer games and other media, and they gave both GTA:VC and :SA and '18' rating meaning (obviously) that the games were not considered suitable for under-18s.

When a movie or game is classified 18 by the BBFC (which, despite being an independent body, has become established enough to have the weight of law behind it), the major effect on that product is pretty much nothing at all. Although most cinemas take appropriate measures to keep underage viewers out, most shops selling videos, DVDs and games are just happy to have the money. Chain stores such as HMV, MVC and Game do obviously insist that their staff respect the restrictions, but independent shops are everywhere, and most kids will be able to view 18+ content if they wish. Couple that with the increasing refusal of many parents to take any responsibility for their kids and the ratings system becomes something of a toothless tiger.

Of course, if parents were willing to take responsibility for their kids (said the non-parent: cue flames), the ratings systems in either country would be neither here nor there.

Hillary Clinton demands that children be protected from evil sex (although, as previously mentioned, violence doesn't seem to be a problem) - but misses the point that the best-placed people to do that would be the kids' supposed guardians. "Oh, but we can't watch them every minute," comes the protest - to which the reply is "yes you can".

The entire argument about whether violent games induce violent behaviour seems to me to be something of a cop-out - an attempt to pass the buck. When a child commits an act of violence, society looks for something to blame, be it computer/video games, role-playing games, movies or... well, that's pretty much it, really. Books are rarely held up for vilification, and the frequently insane exploits of our respectable governments, who obviously don't for one moment hold that violence solves problems, are beyond criticism. Nobody worries themselves about the atrocities the news shows us every day - but you try showing a bounty hunter head-butting a Jedi Knight and see what happens (the BBFC cut a one-second sequence from Star Wars II to prevent the film having to have a '12' rating).

Nobody considers even for a moment that millions of people watch these films or play these games every day without becoming axe-murderers; no-one considers for a moment the possibility that the kids who DO go buggo and start killing people are generally pretty twisted little bastards to start with - and why should our society legislate for everyone based on the unstable few?

Ultimately if parents and teachers and other adults in kids' lives could be persuaded to get a grip, we wouldn't need a ratings system. Instead, it suits them to palm off their responsibilities and expect the government to sort it all out - thus we ALL end up being treated as kids.

Bah! GTA:SA is sooooo last year. It's all about GTA4 for the PS3 now! Now I wonder how much my M rated copy will be worth on Ebay....


I've been thinking about when the finally realease a 'Multi-Theft-Auto' It could be awesome gangs on streets places to invest in turf wars, drive by's, races, messing about monesy swindling bank robbing .. Live d.j's on air ??

Oh and you could work for the police !

The list is endless.

ROCKSTAR im sending you an e-mail. Or i might pop into the office 20 minutes away.

Ok so let me get this right, a game that has car jackings, killing, general violence and stuff gets an "M" cos thats fine but if theres some simulated sex with 3d models thats a no no?...

Cos Violence in America is fine, you can get a gun and blow the shit out of some furry little animals at age 12 but no no musn't have my child watching 3d characters have sex :O

in Britan the game just has a big shiny red 18 sticker and of thats not clue enough you shouldn't buy your kid this game then your just an idiot.

Sad to say, rockstar dropped the ball majorly on this, they have no excuse for including the code in the game.

They had every opportunity to remove the code for the sex minigames, and their failure to do so borders on idiocy.

Hold on two seconds here, firstly, does no one see what is happening here, Rockstone are in a very British way taking the micky out of you Yanks. You tollorate the fact that 1) you can engage in deeply criminal behaviour like stealing cars and blowing up shit, driving over the speed limit and breaking an entry onto government property, 2) you can commit murder, hit and runs and GBH and get away with it (sometime making a profit - disprooving crime doesn't pay) 3) your culture is mocked in a most ironic (British) way and 4) you can pick up hookers and shag them - with out seeing, but definately hearing the process but you won't tollorate a game where some one getting his rock off in public - hypocracy!!

Secondly, Rockstone have made their money, by the pile loads, and they won't be giving it back.

Thirdly, most of rockstone's sales are in Europe and the rest of the world, the US market is definately the minority market.

Hold on two seconds here, firstly, does no one see what is happening here, Rockstone are in a very British way taking the micky out of you Yanks. You tollorate the fact that 1) you can engage in deeply criminal behaviour like stealing cars and blowing up shit, driving over the speed limit and breaking an entry onto government property, 2) you can commit murder, hit and runs and GBH and get away with it (sometime making a profit - disprooving crime doesn't pay) 3) your culture is mocked in a most ironic (British) way and 4) you can pick up hookers and shag them - with out seeing, but definately hearing the process but you won't tollorate a game where some one getting his rock off in public - hypocracy!!

Secondly, Rockstone have made their money, by the pile loads, and they won't be giving it back.

Thirdly, most of rockstone's sales are in Europe and the rest of the world, the US market is definately the minority market.


Your a sad sad case mate sorry but you are.. ( religous ?)

They don't mock USA, they mock everyone even the scottish folk are mocked and they live here ROCKSTAR.

USA sell guns and have shown us the goriest films of our lives - I still have images of freddy kreuger in my mind - I thought it was real once.

This is worse than A 3D image of someone doing much less, its a game kids know that unless of course you told them a devil exists and their brain runs on fantasy.

Games are an escape for kids instead of taking drugs.

I can't beleive some people still moan about the game LOL GET A BLOODY LIFE. USA have much more serious dark issues than a measley (amazing) computer game.

GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS - hmmm let me see - i gave him GTA he hit me with the box he loved the game and laughed at it, Hmmm i gave him a GUN he shoots things LOL he shot me his neighbour, someone pissed him of he uses his TOOL he got of the street. - No ?? can't you see ??

Its arrogant and to say the least something to do with poor parenting not the game he has been playing. I respect you religous guys but I rant about it sorry for the remark above.

If you actually care to take some time and look at the game it's mostly USA actors who know the game is harmless, it has a plot about stopping the smackheads and the main character doesn't take any drugs - ??


Oh I am definately going to pop round to their office and show them some of these remarks hopefully the amount of laughter created will spawn a new plot involving people like you LOL - I can't wait.


ROCKSTAR love America FACT, and we LOVE THEM..

Maybe pray to them tonight for a new game !!

Blimey.

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Superb post, sums things up nicely - much of this argument boils down to people not taking responsibility for what their kids are up to; it's insane to suggest that GTA:SA was ever intended for anything other than a mature audience.

The underage players of mature games is a gigantic market and most game companys would be fools to ignore it.

Sad to say, rockstar dropped the ball majorly on this, they have no excuse for including the code in the game.

They had every opportunity to remove the code for the sex minigames, and their failure to do so borders on idiocy.
Just wait till the lawsuits start … anyone including the court that studied for the case by moding the game to view hidden content violated EULA and can be held responsible for damages … including potentially the loss of earnings from games sales

(and if you think it is so easy to remove code buried in a massive game like that you better re research it)

What the hell is wrong with USA? Has anyone ever actually stopped to study the respective effects of exposure to violence and sex on children? Go ahead, look into it. I remember once on a bus in south Georgia they played a movie on the screen, the one where Tommy Lee Jones is a lawyer representing Samuel L Jackson... the movie where Samuel L Jackson yells, 'WASTE THE MOTHERFUCKERS' and then the US soldiers massacre a crowd of Yemeni civilians along with a few gunmen. I saw a lot of little kids watching this movie, and it occured to me that if one of the women while running away from the gunfire fell down and tore her shirt open accidentally, there would probably be a huge scandal. And then things like John Ashcroft paying 50,000 tax dollars to have a shirt put on the statue of Justice in the Supreme court... when will sex become okay in this country? I sincerely hope that no one considers making any transaction with Wal Mart except buying a gun there and killing the shoppers for their stupidity. I used to shop at Wal Mart until I came back from vacation once and went to have my photos developed- because it"s cheapest at Wal Mart- and found to my horror that several nude pictures, not sexual in content, of my girlfriend had been confiscated by Wal Mart. What happened to those pictures? They could be in some perverted store managers porn collection now. So in conclusion, I think that this ban means that now is a good time to open an independent gaming store, because I dont think GTA sales will drop at all, because it's just a damn good game and people will get what they want no matter what, as prohibition illustrated.

Why does America hate nudity so much? If the Janet Jackson thing had happened over hear noone would have blinked an eyelid except the women's glamour magazines.

Why does America hate nudity so much? If the Janet Jackson thing had happened over hear noone would have blinked an eyelid except the women's glamour magazines.
I think it's because we expect nudity to be in a certain place and not in the hands of kids.

I think it's because we expect nudity to be in a certain place and not in the hands of kids.


Thats called Parenting, not spoiling the game for everyone

Thats called Parenting, not spoiling the game for everyone
People more and more want the government to parent EVERYONE for them.

Dont really care. They are making it from 17+ to 18+... big deal. I already played it, twice. It hardly made me want to go out and kill people. I've been playing these games all my life. If you can't find a way to buy them, quite often you can download them(not encouraging), which means harsh ESRB's is losing companies even more cash, as kids are turned to warez.

Instead of being such prudes, maybe we should be more open about things? Teach children that real violence is bad, and they should never do it? And teach kids about using protection, not this abstinence shit. Its only going to lead to problems.

People more and more want the government to parent EVERYONE for them.
Bloody nanny culture! Why should we have to dance on egg shells because someone's brat is in the room?

I had a run in with a lady because i was talking to a friend of mine and I swore. She interrupted my conversation with my friend and told me NOT to swear in front of her child. I looked at her and told her i didn't give a flying fuck, and that this was not the kind of place (anime convention) where a parent should bring their child if they're worried about that kind of thing. She then got security, and I used my 2nd Charter right - freedom of speech, along with a dramatic display to show that this woman was a moron.

but really, this case just emulates the fact that people expect the rest of us to cater to their needs and to give the glove treatment.

the movie where Samuel L Jackson yells, 'WASTE THE MOTHERFUCKERS'
Well...that's specific.

Hah, good thing I already got it.

By the way guys, the big ordeal is not that the content is in the game, but that the game was not appropriately rated. If Take-Two and Rockstar are getting sued by anyone, it is not going to be the parents--they don't have a case. In fact, Take-Two and Rockstar NEVER make mention at all about what people of what ages should be playing their games. That's not their job. That job is the ESRB's, and the ESRB was not able to appropriately rate the game, and that's where the fuss is...

It's not about the nudity, it's the fact that the nudity is not mentioned on the ESRB rating explaining the game rating. While Leisure Suit Larry may have the same type of content in the mod of GTA:SA, it's explicit contents are clearly labeled on the ESRB rating, "Mature Humor, Nudity, Strong Language, Strong Sexual Content, Use of Alcohol." GTA:SA is in trouble mostly because despite the ESRB rating, the game DOES include "Nudity."

Additionally, if you're confused why GTA:SA would be rating AO and Leisure Suit Larry wouldn't be, notice that with the exception of "Mature Humor," GTA:SA has all that Leisure Suit Larry has, plus drug use, violence, and probably some other things on the ESRB rating that I'm not thinking of at the time.

If you guys would just read this article it might clear things up and you guys would stop crying about the things that no one is trying to get on Take-Two's case about: http://www.unblogged.net/index.php?n=v&id=50

Sweet.

Take-Two stocks are dropping like a rock. They lost $1.33 alone today.

Anyone interested in getting rich should wait until the first day TTWO stocks go green, and then buy a ton...wait until after the release of the first GTA game on 3, then sell your stocks a few days later...

You know I am begging for reason. Really. I don't care if you are a strict catholic nun or make porn for a living, I need some reason from you *points at YOU*

It's all fine and good that YOU might think nudity or sex or violence being depicted is a sin or evil, and thus you don't download the Hot Coffee mod and play GTA SA. That is entirely cool with me, really. You don't want to watch something like that? DON'T. And I'll applaud for you. Really.

But here is where the reason comes in. Now normally the idea with creating laws goes like this -
1. People notice something
2. Hey! That thing has been proven to be not so good!
3. That thing is made illegal
That's reasonable. If I go out on the street and see some guys robbing a store, I get #1. Then you can see the damage to the store, the loss of legally owned goods, you get #2. Then hey! You get #3, quite legititmately.

But with sexual material, it always, without fail goes like this -
1. People notice something
2. ?
3. Thing is EV1L11111one one one and subsequently acted on by the law/government whatever.

I am appealing to a populace I know is relatively sane to stand up and go whoa whoa whoa! Give me a study! Give me proof that a 13 year old seeing a full frontal female nude is damaging him! Give me evidence that a kid playing the Hot Coffee mod is hurting himself! Please! If you can do that, I will log off and ignore this whole issue. All these conservatives and even moderates come out and denoucne openly sexual things that children see in the name of protecting our kids, so why are there no studies! Come before Congress and demand a ban on San Andreas... with 10 studies in hand that say "Hot Coffee is adversely affecting children's ability to socialize, develop and learn effectively, and causes short and long term psychological and emotional damage" and I'll listen to you, I swear on my life. But unless you are doing that, YOU HAVE NO LEGITIMATE REASON TO CALL FOR LEGAL ACTION.

Ladies and Gentlemen, you may have your own personal morals. You may be assured in your righteousness, and that's fine with me, really. But I am begging you with all of my head and my heart - BE REASONABLE. To legislators, lawmakers, movers and shakers - BE REASONABLE. To make a law you need evidence that there exists a need or a reason for that law. I call for reason, nothing more nothing less. We can do better with our laws and our time than attacking something without proof. Get the proof, and I'll listen I promise you. But the operative here is get the proof. Commit yourself to reason and enlightenment, not just moralistic ranting, and you will end up better for it, and so will our nation. I beg for reason.

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Not many people are calling for it to be banned, what most people are upset with is that it wasnt appropriately labeled. Your whole argument about not banning it has nothing to do with the current debate over whether it should be labeled for adults only or not.

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Explanation (http://www.unblogged.net/index.php?n=v&id=50)

I didn't like San Andreas that much, it got old really fast. Yeah, yeah, go here assainate someone, sell drugs, pick up a whore, it was basically the other GTAs with a different skin. They should have taken that game down a notch as far as the sex and drugs go.

I think it's because we expect nudity to be in a certain place and not in the hands of kids.
There's this wonderful invention it's called the internet. And it turns out that there is well, lets just say everything, including stuff no one should see, let alone children. And the same skillz, 1337, ]V[4d or ph34rd as they might be, that are used to tack down the 'Hot Coffee' mod are the someones that can locate all manner of other darkness, to say nothing of the healthier aspects of human sexuality.

Also, seventeen yearolds are not kids. They are minors, but only just barely and possess a quasi-adult status, and in practice have frequently been allowed to enter into binding contracts carrying a high risk of death. The legal difference between an eighteen yearold and a seventeen yearold is almost insignificant. And by the way, what was the average age at which Americans have their first sexual experience at again? So yeah, a half-clothed animated sex game that barely rises to the level of a typical night of Rescue Me, I can find an issue or two million more important.

Hopefully, people will sue Rockstar, and hopefully Rockstar will hire some super-star lawyers, including a zombie Johnny Cochran, and pursue the censure or disbarring of the lawyers peddeling their frivolous lawsuits into court.

I didn't like San Andreas that much, it got old really fast. Yeah, yeah, go here assainate someone, sell drugs, pick up a whore, it was basically the other GTAs with a different skin. They should have taken that game down a notch as far as the sex and drugs go.
Actually...now that you mention it, it was like the previous games, but in a refreshingly good manner.

For instance, while you're in the first city, Los Santos, it is a LOT like GTA2, on the PSX, where territory and respect play important roles, and your respect and your risk in certain areas of towns is based on more than just the story line (as in, how many people you kill, just like 2)...but with the added nicety of fluid territories.

Once you get to San Fierro, the second city, the story line plays more like GTA3 (the first PS2 GTA game). You're the criminal in a position of not-much power and have bosses you have to answer up to in order to get yourself out of the bad spot you're in.

By the time you hit the third city, Las Venturas, it's very much like the Vice City game in that you're more of a leader of the whole operations and the operations are of a much larger scale. Although...Las Venturas doesn't last long.

Once back to Los Santos to finish off the story, it's like nothing else before (and I'd cite specific examples, but that ruins the storyline, even though the particular event happens in and out of the storyline).

Beyond that, the "hidden packages" mini-game of previous GTAs is replaced with more interesting mini-games. There are even more mini-games (gambling) and some mini-games with very good in-game bonuses (the dating).

And the simple fact that there's no loading time between cities/islands (although it's a strain on the PS2's processor) and more added abilities like fluid outfit and riding a bike, vehicle customization, et cetera.

It all makes GTA: San Andreas more of the same goodness that's allowed Take-Two to do so well with GTA, plus the ingenuity of the guys at Rockstar to keep the series fresh and impressive. Rockstar is truly leading the way in console game design.

(And as a side note, I'd argue that EA is leading the way in PC game design...BF2)

There's this wonderful invention it's called the internet. And it turns out that there is well, lets just say everything, including stuff no one should see, let alone children. And the same skillz, 1337, ]V[4d or ph34rd as they might be, that are used to tack down the 'Hot Coffee' mod are the someones that can locate all manner of other darkness, to say nothing of the healthier aspects of human sexuality.

Also, seventeen yearolds are not kids. They are minors, but only just barely and possess a quasi-adult status, and in practice have frequently been allowed to enter into binding contracts carrying a high risk of death. The legal difference between an eighteen yearold and a seventeen yearold is almost insignificant. And by the way, what was the average age at which Americans have their first sexual experience at again? So yeah, a half-clothed animated sex game that barely rises to the level of a typical night of Rescue Me, I can find an issue or two million more important.

Hopefully, people will sue Rockstar, and hopefully Rockstar will hire some super-star lawyers, including a zombie Johnny Cochran, and pursue the censure or disbarring of the lawyers peddeling their frivolous lawsuits into court.

Is Rockstar to be held responsible for what kids can access on the Internet? No. Should they be held responsible for what content is in their games? Yes. Should someone be able to sue Rockstar for the content of one of it's game? If that sort of content is listed on the ESRB rating, no. However, the nudity is NOT listed on the ESRB rating on the original games. That's what's at the core of this argument.

That said, the laws for video games and their ratings are EXTREMELY lenient. While a movie theater can get in trouble for selling a ticket to an R or X rated movie to a minor, there is nothing against the law about selling M or even AO rated games to a minor, despite the fact that you've got to be 18 to buy the SAME sort of content in other forms of media...

I had a run in with a lady because i was talking to a friend of mine and I swore. She interrupted my conversation with my friend and told me NOT to swear in front of her child. I looked at her and told her i didn't give a flying fuck, and that this was not the kind of place (anime convention) where a parent should bring their child if they're worried about that kind of thing. She then got security, and I used my 2nd Charter right - freedom of speech, along with a dramatic display to show that this woman was a moron.
Not entirely on-topic, but this reminded me of a run-in I had with a 'mum' (read 'mom' if American) in a bank once. My friend and I were standing in line at the ATM in the lobby. We'd just seen a woman outside push a pram, complete with child, out between two cars parked at the side of the street, and cross the road. I remarked to my friend that it irritated me that the woman had pushed the pram out between the cars ahead of her. Essentially I thought she was using her kid to see whether there were any cars coming. If the pram had been smashed out of her hands by oncoming traffic she'd know not to cross... :rolleyes:

So while I'm muttering about this to my mate, saying that I thought she should have pulled the pram behind her as SHE went out to see if the way was clear, the woman behind me overhears, interrupts and starts lecturing me on how difficult it is to me a mum, how I just don't understand how hard it is pushing a pram around the place, how everything's set up against mums and how really unfairly life treats you and how - this was the kicker - I'm only a man so wouldn't understand. Up until that last bit I could've put it down to frustration deserving of a measure of sympathy, but I'm afraid that comment set me off.

After the initial surprise, I think, looking back, that I provided some quality entertainment for the bods in the ATM queue as I ripped the poor unfortunate to pieces in return, pointing out the discourtesy of eavesdropping on other people's conversations, and the self-satisfied smugness and/or "pity me" victim nature that some parents (not just women, note) seem determined to parade around...

Is Rockstar to be held responsible for what kids can access on the Internet? No. Should they be held responsible for what content is in their games? Yes. Should someone be able to sue Rockstar for the content of one of it's game? If that sort of content is listed on the ESRB rating, no. However, the nudity is NOT listed on the ESRB rating on the original games. That's what's at the core of this argument.

That said, the laws for video games and their ratings are EXTREMELY lenient. While a movie theater can get in trouble for selling a ticket to an R or X rated movie to a minor, there is nothing against the law about selling M or even AO rated games to a minor, despite the fact that you've got to be 18 to buy the SAME sort of content in other forms of media...
Appearently, they are since the pure, innocent 17 year old tikes need to get the hot coffee mod or the instructions to build a far more ambitious device to activate the content in the PS2 FROM THE INTERNET. Where, they could just as easily get and ISO of the game, or just down load an mpeg of an UNDERAGE TRACI LORDS taking a GIANT COCK from someone who appears to have been LIVING UNDER A BRIDGE. The core of your argument is a semantic joke. To access the nudity (which doesn't even rise to the level of basic cable) in GTA the 17 yearold toddlers must choose between the minigame and actual hard core porn, or perhaps investing in actual sex. The harm you alledge is non-existant.

1. Parents can buy pornography for their children. Its not uncommon for young men to aquire subscriptions to Playboy for example. If a parent buys GTA for their child, it might make them a bad parent, but unless the child is pretty young it's not illegal. And certainly not on the Rockstar side of things.

2. The children have to a. Have the money ( i. be it from apathetic disinterested parents who should have just had a dog, ii. gainful employment, iii. criminal enterprise, iv. get way too much for an allowance (see i.)), 2. be able to get themselves into an R rated movie, I saw my first R rated film alone when I was 12.

3. In most cases access to a credit card, a checking account, or the ability to obtain a cashiers check is all one needs to get porn. Actual age is not at all a factor.

The reason is, if they have the money, they have de facto permission, or will catch hell and in turn experience a valuable learning opportunity. This is in fact better, and it should be this way with more things. This returns time to people, which is a form of wealth. They can delegate tasks to their children, who will be richer wiser and prone to flinching. And infact many industrial societies get along quite well doing this. And the United States did as well for most of its history. Giving people their time back is a good thing. Perhaps some of the mindless puritans can put it to good use by raising their own children, combined with the time they put in lobbying to shift the burden of their undesirable offspring on to others, they might even have a pretty sizable nugget of family time at the end of the day.

This is a foolish bunch of hysterics by a bunch of braindead dickwads without a clue .

The company realeased a game in a format approved and rated MA .
Someone OUTSIDE of the companys controll CHANGED the approved format to show unapproved content .
The company is not responsible .
The people who download the mod and watch it are.
The people who created the mod are.
Fuckin braindead nitwits get elected and bring this shit up .
We vote for the dickheads .
We are responsible .

Really, if you look at the game, it is anti-drugs. Ryder is constantly shown with a blunt and he betrays you. Crack dealers are the constant target of missions, not because they're edging on your profit but because they are harming your community. It shows a deep emphasis on the connection the characters have to their city, their home. The game could be praised as an urban epic, but no. America destroys everything that might be edgy or against their morality. This game shows a gritty look at an urban environment and life in the ghettos and it is rallied as a cry for censorship. Now, because there is a minigame relic hidden in the game, a masterpiece will exit the shelves. There is less skin in this stupid hot coffee mod than a sailor moon episode. But you'll continue to see episodic softcore-teen porn given to kids while something with a real story is shunned as a bad influence.

Also, as for Wal-mart being family friendly, right next to the toy section in my local Wal-Mart is the Gun section. great to establish that connection early on.

Rockstar Games is a bunch of shit heads if they can't remove the hidden code to stop Sex in the game! People have even made software so that you can make a porno video on the game!

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/action/gta4/news_6129500.html

Apparently the PS2 and Xbox console versions are not spared of such a rating either.

Anyone been to a local Wal Mart or Target recently? I want to know if they ripped the title off the shelves yet. Or at least in the coming days.

Now Hilary Clinton lost a huge portion of voters in her 2008 campaign. Every player of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. Smart move. Don't expect younger voters to take sympathy on you. Your no democrat to me!

It seems that after months and months of pathetic attacks from Washington on the game based on false accusations that the game promoted violence amongst gamers, they finally won.


It will be enjoyable in the near future to see GameShark, and their ilk; having their ass torn open by Rockstar's legal department.

Rockstar Games is a bunch of shit heads if they can't remove the hidden code to stop Sex in the game! People have even made software so that you can make a porno video on the game!

OMG what about the guys who let the porno films they make be copied SHITHEADS I pressume ?

What about all the parents who let their kids have easy acess to all the adult videos SHITHEADS ?

What about the people who actually mess about with the codes SHITHEADS ?


ROCKSTAR do indeed ROCK.

Fair enough maybe for some idiots the rating should be changed, but in the end its an amazing game ( best console game, single player ) just hack it and leave it alone - CHRIST !!

I can kill Cops , criminals , crackheads , whores . I can drive a truck and use it to run over anyone I choose . I can beat old crack heads to a bloody pulp and get extra points for it . I can shoot at FBI agents with rocket launchers and then take a flame thrower to the survivors . I can walk into a casino and throw a grenade and then shoot all the survivors...I can go to a fast food store and using a " stealth move " cut everyones throat and watch the blood spurt . I can shoot down planes and helicopters with guided missles....In fact I can kill anything I see in all kinds of ways the more the better for my " rating "





But if I try to get laid the stupid fucking dickheads get pissed .




WTF is up with that ?

Rockstar Games is a bunch of shit heads if they can't remove the hidden code to stop Sex in the game! People have even made software so that you can make a porno video on the game!
Guess who's never written a line of code in his life. YOU! What do you win? A CLUE!

See when you write a lot of code for some element, as the process goes on, it might get used for other similar elements, and it's the same with art. So when there's a feature that you won't be activating in a program, you either embark on the long difficult process of teasing out and redoing a lot of work that works just fine, or you can spend a few minutes, or perhaps seconds, figuring out how to disable that one feature, while still providing the functionality other elements depend on. At the end of the process, they might not even have known what all was "in" the game. It's a lot of code. By the time the made the master, in no meaningful way was the Sex minigame in the game.

People have made Doom into Aliens, and yes into porno. Where people go, they bring porn with them. It is our way.

Guess who's never written a line of code in his life. YOU! What do you win? A CLUE!

See when you write a lot of code for some element, as the process goes on, it might get used for other similar elements, and it's the same with art. So when there's a feature that you won't be activating in a program, you either embark on the long difficult process of teasing out and redoing a lot of work that works just fine, or you can spend a few minutes, or perhaps seconds, figuring out how to disable that one feature, while still providing the functionality other elements depend on. At the end of the process, they might not even have known what all was "in" the game. It's a lot of code. By the time the made the master, in no meaningful way was the Sex minigame in the game.

People have made Doom into Aliens, and yes into porno. Where people go, they bring porn with them. It is our way.

Actually the whole mini game WAS left in but disabled the mod maker found it and enabled it . I guess it could have been deleted but I do not know if that would have effected any other game elements or whatever...the bottom line is it was released without this content being enabled and someone other than the games publisher found a way to exploit the games coding .