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The left and the right (and all other variations of the political spectrum) seem to have very strongly defined ideas of what is immoral. So list one thing you think fits that description as well as your political position. And be creative—don't submit really, really obvious answers like "murder" or "child abuse."

All forms of intentional deceit. (That makes all politicians immoral in my view)

Unfounded irrational intolerance.

Consumerism.

combining religion with politics

All forms of intentional deceit. (That makes all politicians immoral in my view)Does this include acting? (It's deceit... and they get paid for it)

i think it is immoral to not correct a shop clerk when you know he has made a mistake that profits you.

combining religion with politics

quite true

Generalisation made for purposes other than humour.

giving less than you get.

socialism/communism

Does this include acting? (It's deceit... and they get paid for it)

It is not deceit, it is not intending to deceive. It is merely requesting a suspension of disbelief for a period. No actor is going to want you to think that, beyond the period of the presentation, that he is the character (an actor's nightmare).

Give me your definition of "inmoral"
You see,perhaps in Spanish (I'm from Argentina) doesn't mean the same than in English...

Well, I'm pretty evil anyway, so I'd have to say corporate murder, bestiality, and breaking my stuff. Oh, and cruelty to animals.

I'm fine with sniping strangers or dropping heavy stuff off skyscrapers.

EDIT: The above would have to be comitted in a foreign county, naturally.

Selfishness. The root of all evil.

It is not deceit, it is not intending to deceive. It is merely requesting a suspension of disbelief for a period. No actor is going to want you to think that, beyond the period of the presentation, that he is the character (an actor's nightmare).Yes, but for the duration of the play/movie/skit, they do, much like a politician only pretends during elections. It is a form of deceit, in a way.

The English language spelling.

Selfishness. The root of all evil.

*Toasts*

There are times I think I'm alone in this observation.

Having a sexual relationship with anyone you are not married to. Marriage being defined as monogamus, adult, heterosexual relationships who make before God and to each other a vow to be permanently committed to each other forsaking all others.

I don't think sexual relationships outside or within that context should be in any way legally regulated.

Sobriety

Invading sovereign countries and killing innocent people is extremely immoral.

Invading sovereign countries and killing innocent people is extremely immoral.I was wondering when that would come up...

Invading sovereign countries and killing innocent people is extremely immoral.
So is the permission of mass-murder by dictatorships.

*watches as the thread becomes a flame-war*

Give me your definition of "inmoral"
You see,perhaps in Spanish (I'm from Argentina) doesn't mean the same than in English...
immoral = in violation of your moral principles

Those half socks

There are many specific things I think are immoral, but the category most of them fall under is non-consensual force against a person.

At heart, I am very libertarian. Given modern society, I have some rather socialist economic views, but my general social disposition is entirely consistent with libertarianism.

Morality is Ethics modified by Dogma.

What is "immoral" is not necessairly unethical and vice versa.

That said, I would have to say "Violence undertaken for any reason other than immediate self defense or the immediate defense of others."

Everything else is just a modification of that concept.

eating pizza for breakfast (http://whitestkids.com/video/pizzabagels.mov)

So is the permission of mass-murder by dictatorships.

Two wrongs don't make a right is also immoral in regards to Iraq. You just end up with twice as many dead.

The English language spelling.
Sí, tienes razón.

So is the permission of mass-murder by dictatorships.



So is the support of dictatorships which commit mass murder......and worse, putting those dictators in power in the first place.

The intolerance of people in the world of today due to stereotypes imprinted on people by the media...

:headbang:

Interfering with the consensual acts of adults that harm no one else is immoral in my mind.

Interfering with the consensual acts of adults that harm no one else is immoral in my mind.

Good one Sinuhue.

Interfering with the consensual acts of adults that harm no one else is immoral in my mind.Would that include cannibalism?

Ooh, this is an interesting question.

Morality is what is "right"; ethics is how that is applied in human behaviour. Physical things (things that exist in nature) are neither inherently "right" nor "wrong". That leaves moral and immoral things to exist in the realm of the metaphysical --ideas, concepts, feelings --the "right" and "wrong" on which we base our ethical behaviour.

Maliciousness is immoral. I think that's on the top of my list.

Oh and for the record, "unethical" and "immoral" are synonyms to me.

Two <snip> You just end up with twice as many dead.
Um, no. Not even Molly Ivins supports that outright lie. (She did breifly, but then published a full column retraction after she researched the real numbers.)

CROW EATEN HERE: This is a horror. In a column written June 28, I asserted that more Iraqis (civilians) had now been killed in this war than had been killed by Saddam Hussein over his 24-year rule. WRONG. Really, really wrong...There have been estimates as high as 1 million civilians killed by Saddam, though most agree on the 300,000 to 400,000 range, making my comparison to 20,000 civilian dead in this war pathetically wrong.

I was certainly under no illusions regarding Saddam Hussein, whom I have opposed through human rights work for decades. My sincere apologies. It is unforgivable of me not have checked. I am so sorry.

Would that include cannibalism?
Consensual cannibalism? Hmmm...are we talking post or pre-mortem cannibalism here? Well, I support euthenasia in extreme cases, but not necessarily suicide (which consensual murder would be) though I wouldn't be foolish enough to think you could make suicide illegal, I don't support making murder legal, consensual or not. And in order for consensual murder (and subsequent cannibalism) to not hurt anyone else, the sacrificial lamb (so to speak) would have to be completely adrift and have no attachments to other human beings. So, no to murder/post-mortem cannibalism.

As for pre-mortem, piece by piece, not quite death cannibalism, hmmmm...how could you stop that really if it was consensual? Freaks. No point in making it illegal or interfering though.

However, one important factor in consent is the mental capacity to GIVE consent. So if the persons involved in cannibalism were mentally deficient, or otherwise incapable of truly giving consent, then interference would be necessary.

So again...consenting adults, doing things that harm no one else, no interference.

Consensual cannibalism? <snip>I was asking mainly because we had the Rothenburg Cannibal trial here, which was post mortem. It had to do with killing one person and eating him. In a way, it was a consensual act and didn't hurt anyone else, so I kinda wanted a clarification on that.

Edit: Put the German legal system in a really tight fix, since we didn't think of making cannibalism illegal :p

I was asking mainly because we had the Rothenburg Cannibal trial here, which was post mortem. It had to do with killing one person and eating him. In a way, it was a consensual act and didn't hurt anyone else, so I kinda wanted a clarification on that.

Edit: Put the German legal system in a really tight fix, since we didn't think of making cannibalism illegal :p

What do you mean, "in a way it was consensual"? Did the person who was killed consent to being killed and then eaten? Was this person capable of giving consent? I would be fine with doctor assisted suicide (euthenasia) because there are protocols that must be followed, including psychiatric assessment...but not with random people 'consensually' asking others to murder and eat them.

What do you mean, "in a way it was consensual"? Did the person who was killed consent to being killed and then eaten? Was this person capable of giving consent? I would be fine with doctor assisted suicide (euthenasia) because there are protocols that must be followed, including psychiatric assessment...but not with random people 'consensually' asking others to murder and eat them.Yes. The two men met in the internet and exchanged fantasies, one of being eaten, the other of eating another human being. Then they met up and things went on from there... (icky details...).

Smoking in a car or house when you have children.
Laws have been pased to protect adults from the smoke of other in bars, restaurants, etc... but nothing to protect kids from it.

In this day and age, you have to be a real douchebag to smoke in the car with your kids.

Um, no. Not even Molly Ivins supports that outright lie. (She did breifly, but then published a full column retraction after she researched the real numbers.)
When it comes to Saddam, the numbers are all over the place, especially when including those who rebelled against Saddam in Kurdistan and the Shiites who rebelled against Saddam after the Gulf War.

Now how many of Iranian, Iraqi, and US deaths can be attributed to the US involvement with Saddam (i.e. supplying chemicals and biological agents, etc.,), those who were encouraged by George H. Bush to rebel, retreating Iraqi forces that were slaughtered on the "Highway of Death"and the number of deaths since the invasion of Iraq in March 2003 (estimates of over 100,000).

When you add it all up, probably the US is responsible for far more deaths than Saddam, and the presnt conflict isn't over yet, as the death toll rises.

No, I think Molly Ivins was right in the first place.

Yes. The two men met in the internet and exchanged fantasies, one of being eaten, the other of eating another human being. Then they met up and things went on from there... (icky details...).
Wow. I just did a quick google on that and...wow. That's just sick.

Again, for this not to 'hurt' someone else, the victim would have had to have NO ties to any other human being. As well, I don't think his 'suicide by murder' in this case would fall under the category of euthenasia, even illegal euthenasia.

And I would argue that this victim was not in his right mind and able to actually give consent.

But that's not something we can now know, all things considering.

Wow.

Smoking in a car or house when you have children.
Laws have been pased to protect adults from the smoke of other in bars, restaurants, etc... but nothing to protect kids from it.

In this day and age, you have to be a real douchebag to smoke in the car with your kids.
I agree. I always hated that my mom would smoke in the car on long trips, in the winter, with the windows up...or just barely cracked open. She says now that she didn't know it could hurt us but guess what...when I drive with her in HER car (because she'd never get away with it in mine) she STILL does it. I told her she wouldn't be driving with her grandchildren if she smoked in the car.

I think it's become pretty normal now for smokers to step outside their home when kids are involved...I don't even have to ask people to do that anymore, its just automatic. So I'm always really taken aback when I go somewhere where that isn't the case...kind of like when you see people throw garbage out their car window...something that used to be so common but is now just...well...déclassé.

Not helping others when you're perfectly capable of it and it wouldn't do you any harm. A very common crime of which we're all guilty to some extent. Oh, and treating people as objects in any way… that's a common one as well.

I think it's become pretty normal now for smokers to step outside their home when kids are involved...I don't even have to ask people to do that anymore, its just automatic.
Who says it's the case just where kids are involved? I haven't been allowed to smoke indoors for three years, now.

Except for dope, of course.

*snip*
For the love of Dobb...please don't make this damn thread about the US. No offense to BOTH sides, but I'm full up of US-centricity right now...and it's BOTH sides that are doing it.

Let's keep this about generalities (hey, even I'm guilty of sliding a bit, but we can all pull ourselves out of the sandtrap if we try)....please?

Suicide is the only thing I can think of, pretty much, that I feel is immoral. The only time its justifiable, is if for the rest of your life, you would be bed-ridden, or otherwise unable to do anything even slightly signifigant again.

Who says it's the case just where kids are involved? I haven't been allowed to smoke indoors for three years, now.

Except for dope, of course.
Dope don't count:)

No, seriously. I say it's more of an issue when kids are around because the smoke is being forced on them...you as an adult are choosing to smoke, so fine. However, if you live in a non-smoking apartment or home, or your roomate or partner objects, then people generally smoke outside too.

In fact, the reason I find it kind of shocking when someone smokes in the house is because I know so very few people that do anymore.

I'm not sure I'd call that immoral though....

Hurting someone physically


EDIT: ooops, I mean unless it's in self-defense and there is no other way to stop someone.

Okay, other immoral things:

harming children in any way, including making them witnesses to domestic violence, mental, emotional, or physical. Nothing bothers me more than people who hurt kids.

When it comes to Saddam, the numbers are all over the place, especially when including those who rebelled against Saddam in Kurdistan and the Shiites who rebelled against Saddam after the Gulf War.

Now how many of Iranian, Iraqi, and US deaths can be attributed to the US involvement with Saddam (i.e. supplying chemicals and biological agents, etc.,), those who were encouraged by George H. Bush to rebel, retreating Iraqi forces that were slaughtered on the "Highway of Death"and the number of deaths since the invasion of Iraq in March 2003 (estimates of over 100,000).

When you add it all up, probably the US is responsible for far more deaths than Saddam, and the presnt conflict isn't over yet, as the death toll rises.

No, I think Molly Ivins was right in the first place.

Too bad you couldnt even prove the US was responsible for even a quarter of the deaths sadaam was.

Too bad you couldnt even prove the US was responsible for even a quarter of the deaths sadaam was.

And you probably cant prove saddam himself was responsible for the vast majority of those deaths.

I think it's become pretty normal now for smokers to step outside their home when kids are involved...I don't even have to ask people to do that anymore, its just automatic. So I'm always really taken aback when I go somewhere where that isn't the case...kind of like when you see people throw garbage out their car window...something that used to be so common but is now just...well...déclassé.


Dont try to church it up with some fancy french bullshit- People that smoke around kids or throw trash out the car window are pathetically ignorant mongrels.
By now, we all know both are wrong and selfish. Unless you're really backward and brain damaged and if you are, smoking around kids and littering are probably the least offensive things you do.

And you probably cant prove saddam himself was responsible for the vast majority of those deaths.


Oooh- you got me there. Its well known he was trying hard to spread good will and benevolence, right?
Do you think for a moment there were generals dispatching troops to murder people or "arrest" and torture them without his approval?
With enough investigation, I'm sure the vast majority of attrocities committed can be traced to him giving the orders as and individual.

The left and the right (and all other variations of the political spectrum) seem to have very strongly defined ideas of what is immoral. So list one thing you think fits that description as well as your political position. And be creative—don't submit really, really obvious answers like "murder" or "child abuse."
Taking life, any life, without good cause.

Dont try to church it up with some fancy french bullshit- People that smoke around kids or throw trash out the car window are pathetically ignorant mongrels.

ROFLMAO :D

one of the immoral things is phisically harm others just because of religion or ideology.

Blasphemy :D

trophy hunting. Drives me insane.

trophy hunting. Drives me insane.
Ohhhh...I can't believe I didn't think of that!

That is definately one that annoys me. All that wasted meat....stupid jerks. One day that kind of waste will be viewed with the horror and disgust it should be. Sadly, that will only be when these animals are near extinction.

Too bad you couldnt even prove the US was responsible for even a quarter of the deaths sadaam was.
It is okay if you wish to live in denial. There is plenty of documentation regarding the close ties between the Reagan administration and Saddam, and the ghastly results.

How many Iraqis, and US troops have died since the invasion of Iraq, just to get this ONE bad guy? The numbers are staggering, and hence my suggestion of the immorality of it all.

Goths.

Because as anyone who has read Darque Dungeon* knows, No-One Likes A Gothic...

*Available through Google now!

Using religious beliefs as a lame excuse for war

Coercion and forcing beliefs onto others. This includes forcing religious beliefs on children before they have the mental capacity, knowledge, and opportunity to decide for themselves what they want to believe in (that does NOT mean teaching about religious beliefs).

Selfishness. The root of all evil.
True, but it's better classified as the root of all good and evil.

Prohibition of alcohol and drugs is immoral.

Evangelism.

Mixing Single Malt Whisky.

Criminal. :D

Hierarchial authority, no contest on that one.

Ohhhh...I can't believe I didn't think of that!

That is definately one that annoys me. All that wasted meat....stupid jerks. One day that kind of waste will be viewed with the horror and disgust it should be. Sadly, that will only be when these animals are near extinction.

Ooooh, that kind of "trophy hunting." I thought he was talking about 65 year old rich guys who married 22 year old strippers. ;)

Try to force your religious beliefs on someone else. That would include saying gay marriage should not be allowed because homosexuality is a sin and it should be illegal to drink on the day of god (sunday).

(Not listed by relative importance)

Self-destructive hedonism
Self-destructive abstinence
Indiscriminate violence
Pacifism
Blind intolerance
Blind tolerance
Disrespect of another person's body
Disrespect of another person's property
Viewing a human as something less then human
Deception with malicious intent
Disregard of honor, fellowship, and human dignity

How's that for starters?

Did I kill the thread? o.0

Interfering with the consensual acts of adults that harm no one else is immoral in my mind.

Yeah but some of thoses consensual adults are also parents, wich in way, encourage strong misbehavior not only related to thoses so called 'consensual acts'. When you get kids, there's some 'way to act/ way to be'' that you need to show your children as they might not be able to understand it the way an adult does... :eek: some parents dont know where to stop...

so I guess there is need for some regulations over there, many peoples aren't smart as they should be, government and laws need to act there...

like I say often : 'laws are made for thoses who haven't common sense', and there's many of them ! :headbang:



combining religion with politics

AMEN TO THAT !

(Amen.. hummm... lol :rolleyes:

Did I kill the thread? o.0Yeah, you listed far too many things. :p :cool:

Immorality is immoral :p

Yeah, you listed far too many things. :p :cool:

Probably true. :D

Did I kill the thread? o.0
Yes

(Not listed by relative importance)

Viewing a human as something less then human


Guess I am sometimes immoral, cause when I see someone immoral, someone that disrespect others and go as far to hurting them just for his own fun for example, I often think he or she's less human than human O_o

I guess in some situation It's almost common sense and not immoral, but I agree with all others thing you said, only this one makes me wondering...

Guess I am sometimes immoral, cause when I see someone immoral, someone that disrespect others and go as far to hurting them just for his own fun for example, I often think he or she's less human than human O_o

I guess in some situation It's almost common sense and not immoral, but I agree with all others thing you said, only this one makes me wondering...

Every human being has the potential for unspeakable cruelty and for the total disregard for the lives of others. The single most important thing to remember is that this doesn't make someone any more or less human then a compassionate, loving, and constructive person. Everyone has that potential; anyone CAN become that "monster." It is not safe, nor right, to deny this facet of humanity. It may be more comfortable to deny a "human" is capable of atrocities but denial doesn't change the fact that a monster dwells within every man.

Remember, few people live truly "good" lives, however "evil" is not a word to be bandied about lightly. Most people live somewhere in a shade of grey, a darker grey will yield darker results. It is of the utmost importance to always bare in mind that this gradient exists in every single human being as well as in humanity as a collective whole. We must all bare responsibility for the darker aspects of our nature.

........Stupid people in government.


The worlds pretty immoral isnt it?

There is soo..... much that falls into the definition of immorality, but the first thing sprang into my mind is a person with a sexually transmitted disease having unprotected sex with someone and not telling them.

There is soo..... much that falls into the definition of immorality, but the first thing sprang into my mind is a person with a sexually transmitted disease having unprotected sex with someone and not telling them.




most people who have STDs don't know they have them.

Probably true. :DJust don't do it again. :)

Every human being has the potential for unspeakable cruelty and for the total disregard for the lives of others. The single most important thing to remember is that this doesn't make someone any more or less human then a compassionate, loving, and constructive person. Everyone has that potential; anyone CAN become that "monster."
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I agree mostly with that, where I become uneasy with it, is that, your right, people all have the potential to be cruel, but people who takes the time to judge their actions before making them mostly walk in the 'good path', other ones, the 'evil ones' if I can tell that way, act more on instinct, without thinking of the repercussion it can have on other, their behavior seems like animals... :mad: that's why I guess, I judge them as 'immoral' and sometimes 'less than human' :eek:

Ya know, even someone with good intention, can make cruel thing, but habitually regret them afterwhile, wich people with bad ones don't, may you really declare someone that clearly don't give a **** about others lives, human ? :mad: Only animals act without consciouness... even if some of them know what they are doing, then who knows, maybe I confound 'immorality' with 'unhumanity' but still, I'll continue to think some people are on the verge of 'humanity' versus 'animality' :mp5:

materialism and adultry

one word. religion.