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for all you Brits and anyone else!!!

Do you like the job blair is doing?
I loved him from 1997 until Iraq! then i just liked him but still voted for him!

no. he's just a tory really, and he took us to war with america. the only good thing he's done, IMO, is ban hunting, and he did that the wrong way too, so...

I support Blair, abosolutely. His integrity and his courage during the tough times showed that we can trust him and for being a wise and charming prime minister.

Other than Iraq I think he has done a fine job so I voted that i liked Him!!
He was cute when he was younger too!! lol

No I do not - and how did you know my name is Blair?

well do you think I was talking about you?

I don’t really know much about him, other than his bit with Iraq, and that he banned shrooms and hunting. Not to mention, he’s Labour, so he is probably more left wing economically than me. Thusly, I disapprove.

Call him a tory? why? I think he seperates himself from them well! I am proud to have been here while he has been!

I vote for Blair because he stands by and trusts America. And, in return, he recieves my trust and backing. Good man.

I don’t really know much about him, other than his bit with Iraq, and that he banned shrooms and hunting. Not to mention, he’s Labour, so he is probably more left wing economically than me. Thusly, I disapprove.
You'd think, wouldn't you.


"New Labour".

Other than Iraq I think he has done a fine job so I voted that i liked Him!!
He was cute when he was younger too!! lol



You are SO right. Tony Blair = the epitome of cute. :D

You'd think, wouldn't you.


"New Labour".

No, no. You don’t understand. There are very few modern politicians who are as far right as me fiscally. Unless he’s for unfettered free trade, and minimal regulations on business, he’s farther left than me.

You are SO right. Tony Blair = the epitome of cute. :D

happy we agree!!!

I preferred Tootie.

Brit virgin islands loves it P.M. Head of all the uks possesions!

More importantly, does Blair approve of us? :confused:

well I hope he does :confused:

Overall, yes, I think he's done a good job. Certainly the country's in a better state than it would be if the Conservatives had won the last 3 elections.
Having said that, I voted Lib Dem in May.

If I was old enough to vote I would have voted Lib Dem.

If I had a better throwing arm I would have egged Blair. ;)

no. he's just a tory really, and he took us to war with america. the only good thing he's done, IMO, is ban hunting, and he did that the wrong way too, so...

While the Labour Party is further to the right than it was in the 70's and 80's, the Conservative party is still further to the right again. You might not have noticed but the Labour Party did not get elected for almost 20 years becuase of the left wing policies that it espoused.

The political cllimate has changed dramatically since the 70's when an actual socialist government could be elected. At that time Heath's Tory government was centrist so the labour party could afford to me more to the left. As the Tories moved more and more to the right the Labour party had to move more and more to the centre or the voters lost by the Tories would have moved to the Liberals.

In the current political climate a Socialist government would not get elected in the UK, so while it's all very well to complain that Tony Blair is a Tory, there is no point having a political party with a manifesto that makes them unelectable.

While I don't agree with some of the actions of the current government, I can't see either of the other parties making a better job of it.

I vote for Blair because he stands by and trusts America.

Yeah, he really got suckered by you. Fortunately he went from 416 to 356 mandates in parliament over it, and may have learned his lesson. He paid dearly, at least.

Yeah, he really got suckered by you. Fortunately he went from 416 to 356 mandates in parliament over it, and may have learned his lesson. He paid dearly, at least.

Yep. he got in with the third or fourth biggest Labour Majority, in the first ever third term labour government.

Who's laughing now Tony? :D

no. he's just a tory really, and he took us to war with america. the only good thing he's done, IMO, is ban hunting, and he did that the wrong way too, so...

I don't remember going towar with America? Did we win? :D

Blairis an absolute fecking idiot - anyone who voted for him must be a retard. :sniper:

He's better than Micheal Howard. That's his main redeeming feature. There's a few others which means I don't mind him.

Yep. he got in with the third or fourth biggest Labour Majority, in the first ever third term labour government.

Who's laughing now Tony? :D

Depending on the weakness of the opposition. There is no doubt that this election saw his standing greatly undermined.

no. he's just a tory really,

Oh for goodness sake do you actually know anything?

While the Labour Party is further to the right than it was in the 70's and 80's, the Conservative party is still further to the right again. You might not have noticed but the Labour Party did not get elected for almost 20 years becuase of the left wing policies that it espoused.

The political cllimate has changed dramatically since the 70's when an actual socialist government could be elected. At that time Heath's Tory government was centrist so the labour party could afford to me more to the left. As the Tories moved more and more to the right the Labour party had to move more and more to the centre or the voters lost by the Tories would have moved to the Liberals.

In the current political climate a Socialist government would not get elected in the UK, so while it's all very well to complain that Tony Blair is a Tory, there is no point having a political party with a manifesto that makes them unelectable.

While I don't agree with some of the actions of the current government, I can't see either of the other parties making a better job of it.

Yeah, exactly: I for myself am a social-democrat, and as you know the Labour Party is a social-democratic party (member of both the Socialist International and the Party of European Socialists), I do believe that Tony Blair has been a successful PM in many aspects (war in Iraq is however the exception) and has very well understood that sometimes you need to take difficult decisions.
Furthermore, I think that there is nothing wrong in moving more to the centre, in order to win votes, in order to win the confidence of the people, it is important to be a reformist, someone who is not narrow-minded, but open to all suggestions. It is also a reality that all of us need to understand, moving the party more to the centre does not make it more "right-wing" or anything of that sort, it is merely a sign of political realism or some might say pragmatism. Of course, the party has some core principles that are inalienable but this does not mean that it can not reform itself and adapt itself to nowadays society, so I think that Blair has done the right thing in order to appeal more to people.

no i do not believe he is doing a good job or has done a good job, he is george bushes lapdog he puts britain to shame, im not delibertaly beng rude to america here but britain had the best empire in the world still has the best navy and has great economy we dont need america and yet still mr blar would ask what cliff if george bush says jump, talk bout suck up...

Has anyone actually seen what has happened to the UK since Labour got into power? :rolleyes:

He's better than Micheal Howard. That's his main redeeming feature. There's a few others which means I don't mind him.

I took a huge delight in telling the Conservative candidate just that, I think my exact words were along the lines of "Whilst I accept that Tony Blair is by no means perfect, he has shown questionable judgement in the appointment of the Attorney General, The Postmaster General and Peter Mandelsson and I am unsure of his standpoint on many issues, whatever his faulst and I agree he has many, he is not Michael Howard, which is why I will be voting for him"

Childish I know, but huge fun :D

Has anyone actually seen what has happened to the UK since Labour got into power? :rolleyes:

I've been living under him and it's better'n Major and he was better than Thatcher. I'd rather Kennedy was in but there you go.

"I've been living under him and it's better'n Major and he was better than Thatcher. I'd rather Kennedy was in but there you go. "

You must be one of thoes retards I mentioned .....

Has anyone actually seen what has happened to the UK since Labour got into power? :rolleyes:

I think the economy has grown stronger, more people are in work, more money is being spent on schools, hospitals and the police. The UK's standing internationally has grown, we are now part of Europe rather than being the sulky one on the fringes trying to mess up the party. I think important changes are still being made to the way the country is governed, with greater regional autonomy to Scotland, Wales and most importantly Northern Ireland.

What do you think has happened?

Lower classes have rissen.
More non white people in the country by 60%
the amount of people on social security has risen
Tax has increased
Stealth taxes have increased
Benifits have risen
Tax credit (need I say more?)
I could go on for hours!

Lower classes have rissen.
More non white people in the country by 60%
the amount of people on social security has risen
Tax has increased
Stealth taxes have increased
Benifits have risen
Tax credit (need I say more?)
I could go on for hours!

No, I think you'd better explain the first two for a start.

Lower Classes have risen Do you mean the number of working class people has increased? What are you talking about.

More non white people in the country by 60% And what do you mean by that one then? and where do you get your statistics from? making them up or believing the Daily Mail or BNP doesn't count

Oh and the amount of people on social security has risen is not true

and Benifits have risen why is that a bad thing?

Your turn :D

for all you Brits and anyone else!!!

Do you like the job blair is doing?
I loved him from 1997 until Iraq! then i just liked him but still voted for him!

Nope.

All the good work (like the minimum wage, handgun ban, equalising of the age of consent, etc.) has been outweighed by Iraq and the joke that is ID cards.

The sooner he steps down and Gordon Brown takes over, the better.

While the current Labour government has done a reasonable job of government, most of the good things should be credited to Gordon Brown.

The problem with Tony :gundge: is that he is an arrogant, self-opinionated paternalist. It scares me that he seems unable to understand that anyone could ever possibly disgree with his point of view. This coupled with his religiosity and his allegiance to Bush (also a scary religious nut) is a huge danger to the security of Britain, and perhaps the rest of the world.

As a politcal animal he is clearly very successful, but I don't trust him. It's not that I think he's insincere - quite the opposite. It just worries me that he can't seem to see anyone else's point of view.

Also, for my liking he's a bit to keen to accept the gifts (holidays etc) of other leaders, such as Berlesconi.

And don't get me started on Cherie :headbang:

A self serving scumbag whose only real interest has been in holding onto power and projecting a good image.

I wouldn't trust the man to tell me the time of day with a watch I'd just given him.

Tyrell Corporation, your a gem.

No, I think you'd better explain the first two for a start.

Lower Classes have risen Do you mean the number of working class people has increased? What are you talking about.

More non white people in the country by 60% And what do you mean by that one then? and where do you get your statistics from? making them up or believing the Daily Mail or BNP doesn't count

Oh and the amount of people on social security has risen is not true

and Benifits have risen why is that a bad thing?

Your turn :D

The scum of our country are running round like they own the place and getting more benifits from the gov. producing more scum babies and making this country a shit place.

I love th Daily Mail - it's shame that more people do not read the truth rather than be brainwashed by the media like the BBC.

Before Labour were in power this country could be it's self, the population did not have to worry abotu all this PC crap yet now more polution certain "types of people" on our streets.

Look at the bomings, it's no sup[rise and has been a long time coming - it wont stop

More non white people in the country by 60%



What!? Say that again?! It appears sir, that YOU are the retard here. A racist retard at that.

The scum of our country are running round like they own the place and getting more benifits from the gov. producing more scum babies and making this country a shit place.

I love th Daily Mail - it's shame that more people do not read the truth rather than be brainwashed by the media like the BBC.

Before Labour were in power this country could be it's self, the population did not have to worry abotu all this PC crap yet now more polution certain "types of people" on our streets.

Look at the bomings, it's no sup[rise and has been a long time coming - it wont stop

Right, now I understand. You read the deranged rantings of the Daily Mail in the misguided belief that it is a newspaper as opposed to the sort of illiterate rag I wouldn't wipe my dog's arse with. That'll be the daily mail that was writing in support of Oswald Moseley and Hitler up until 1939 then. That'll be the Daily Mail that is writing the same hate filled lies about Eastern European immigrants and asylum seekers now that they wrote about Jewish Refugees in the thirties.

You clearly believe there was some glorious golden age when Mrs Thatcher was in power when everyone was happy and Britain was Great. Sorry matey, it never existed. There were more and deeper divisions in society under the Tories from 1979 to 1997 than there are now. Remember the Poll Tax riots? Remember the Miners strike? The economy under the Conservatives was in the pocket of the city of london, 15% interest rates anyone?

"The Country could be itself" What is that supposed to mean? Britain has long had a tradition of being a tolerant and open society that will welcome and assimilate anyone into our society, what do you want to change about it?

The scum of our country are running round like they own the place and getting more benifits from the gov. producing more scum babies and making this country a shit place.

I love th Daily Mail - it's shame that more people do not read the truth rather than be brainwashed by the media like the BBC.

Before Labour were in power this country could be it's self, the population did not have to worry abotu all this PC crap yet now more polution certain "types of people" on our streets.

Look at the bomings, it's no sup[rise and has been a long time coming - it wont stop

Good god. I don'y usually like throwing lables at people, but you are a grade A facsist moron. You have no right to talk about "this country" as you stand for everything this country doesn't.
By the way, to any non Brits who don't know, the Daily Mail is essentially and idiotic tabloid which puts more emphasis on selling papers than the truth, and is borderline Nazi.

Anyone who claims to 'trust' a politician is either a jester or a fool.

As for Tony Blair, he's a mixed blessing. The economy has improved, yes, but we're taxed so heavily that we can't really enjoy it. And try to tell people who (used to) work in the manufacturing sector how much better the economy and unemployment rates are now. You might find out how bad violent crime has become...
The government is providing more funding to services such as the NHS, yes, but they're so mismanaged, wrapped in red tape and are subject to so many stupid 'schemes' that they are not functioning half as well as they could.
Yes, he's improved our position in Europe, but I don't think that's a particularly good idea anyway.

And then there is a whole host of other things. Taking us into an illegal war with an ally who is currently governed by a religious nutcase is one of the biggies, and Labour's typical tactic of mismanaging everything they have access to, helped not by their underfunding of the military, lead to equipment deficiencies.
Political correctness has been taken to such extremes that even some of my friends, who are members of the minorities PC is supposed to protect, think it is madness.
Have you ever been attacked? Well, you better hope that you don't have to defend yourself, because Labour has decided that it is morally wrong to protect yourself and your family from potential murders. Indeed, if you so much as harm one hair on the criminal's head they can sue you. If you survive while you stand there like a lemon and show him where the best place to stab you is, of course.
And Big Brother has found a whole new meaning with the Labour government. Yet, ironically, police effectiveness has decreased despite this -- probably because they too are under bizarre laws which serve no purpose other than reducing the safety of others.
Have you ever tried driving a car on British roads? It's not much fun. I'm not talking about cameras or speedhumps, I'm talking about potholes which are actually worse than speedhumps. Seriously, there's a road not far from where I live with speedhumps on it. People go over the humps at normal speed, but they slow down for the potholes! And this is assuming you can fit your car onto the road. And that is, of course, assuming you can afford a car in the first place now that the government is trying to force us not to drive anymore. But where is the alternative, exactly? I don't see one.

And when was the last time you ever felt safe walking home after a drink with your friends?

I am not a huge fan of Blair because of his commitment to Iraq but the man has earnt some respect from me for how he handled the London bombings.

It is so easy to wind you trendy libs/leftys up!

Oh and don't call me sir, I'm female, I onyl like being called Sir on certain saturday nights.

God bless and long live Maggie she is god.....

It is so easy to wind you trendy libs/leftys up!

Oh and don't call me sir, I'm female, I onyl like being called Sir on certain saturday nights.

God bless and long live Maggie she is god.....

"Maggie" is a half dead senile old woman.

"Maggie" is a half dead senile old woman.

...who as PM returned power from the unions to the elected government, revitalised the British economy, made millions of people financially independent by selling them their council houses for almost nothing, and restored Britian's international standing abroad.

She was the greatest PM since Churchill; when history judges Thatcher and Blair, even if Blair's premiership is longer he will pale in comparison to her. After all, what exactly has he achieved?

Silly boy, yes she is more elderly now ... what a silly comment to make can you not be a little more clever? :rolleyes: @ Bretar

made millions of people financially independent by selling them their council houses for almost nothing,



If you knew anything about that you would know that it has caused a serious problem in the housing market, there is now hardly any cheap council housing because people all bought it. It was a cynical move to gain votes, and was detrimental to the people.

Anyone who claims to 'trust' a politician is either a jester or a fool.

As for Tony Blair, he's a mixed blessing. The economy has improved, yes, but we're taxed so heavily that we can't really enjoy it. And try to tell people who (used to) work in the manufacturing sector how much better the economy and unemployment rates are now. You might find out how bad violent crime has become...
The government is providing more funding to services such as the NHS, yes, but they're so mismanaged, wrapped in red tape and are subject to so many stupid 'schemes' that they are not functioning half as well as they could.
Yes, he's improved our position in Europe, but I don't think that's a particularly good idea anyway.

And then there is a whole host of other things. Taking us into an illegal war with an ally who is currently governed by a religious nutcase is one of the biggies, and Labour's typical tactic of mismanaging everything they have access to, helped not by their underfunding of the military, lead to equipment deficiencies.
Political correctness has been taken to such extremes that even some of my friends, who are members of the minorities PC is supposed to protect, think it is madness.
Have you ever been attacked? Well, you better hope that you don't have to defend yourself, because Labour has decided that it is morally wrong to protect yourself and your family from potential murders. Indeed, if you so much as harm one hair on the criminal's head they can sue you. If you survive while you stand there like a lemon and show him where the best place to stab you is, of course.
And Big Brother has found a whole new meaning with the Labour government. Yet, ironically, police effectiveness has decreased despite this -- probably because they too are under bizarre laws which serve no purpose other than reducing the safety of others.
Have you ever tried driving a car on British roads? It's not much fun. I'm not talking about cameras or speedhumps, I'm talking about potholes which are actually worse than speedhumps. Seriously, there's a road not far from where I live with speedhumps on it. People go over the humps at normal speed, but they slow down for the potholes! And this is assuming you can fit your car onto the road. And that is, of course, assuming you can afford a car in the first place now that the government is trying to force us not to drive anymore. But where is the alternative, exactly? I don't see one.

And when was the last time you ever felt safe walking home after a drink with your friends?

Sorry, I read that post and then got to the last line and just had an image of Mrs Brady Old Lady :D

http://www.maxim-magazine.co.uk/ecards_viz/images/brady.gif

"there is now hardly any cheap council housing"

And that is a bad thing?

Silly boy, yes she is more elderly now ... what a silly comment to make can you not be a little more clever? :rolleyes: @ Bretar

I suppose asking god to bless her than calling her god is also a stroke of genius.

"there is now hardly any cheap council housing"

And that is a bad thing?

Where do those who can't get on the property lader go now? The streets?

It is true that she did go bad at the end, but she also saved us from the post-war consensus, which gave us uncompetitive industries, rampant inflation and troublesome unions.

Where do those who can't get on the property lader go now? The streets?

Very few people are on the streets because of a lack of council housing.

"Where do those who can't get on the property lader go now? The streets?"

Get a better job, work harder, rent? So many options .....

It is true that she did go bad at the end, but she also saved us from the post-war consensus, which gave us uncompetitive industries, rampant inflation and troublesome unions.

Hmmm, my senile post was a relpy to 77Seven77's "she is god" post. Even as a lefty I can respect how she didn't give in to unions, although I believe she was a little heavy handed.
Like any goverment, she had her goods and bads, but as someone who holds politically oposite views, I disagree with much she did. However, I can see that she did much good.

Oh and it's ladder

Oh and it's ladder

Ohhhh, I missed a "d", that must make you so much better than me. :rolleyes:

No I am obviously so much better than you d or no d .... :)

No I am obviously so much better than you d or no d .... :)

A predictable answer. You seem to base your own self superiority on many things, the fact that you're white, the fact that you read the daily mail. (well, maybe not many things looking at it)

It's odd, very odd, perhaps you believe you're better than all Black/Asian etc people? Your posts certainly hint so. Perhaps you should learn the true morals of Britain before you go spouting your racist drivel.

*yawn*

You seem to have a rather large chip on your shoulder Bretar ........

HUR HUR!

Good one seven, you keep telling those stupid lefties with their 'fairness' and 'justice' where it's at!

Poor people DESERVE to be poor. If they were born into a poor family and thus went to an inner city school, got a bad education, bad homelife and little support from their parents, it is THEIR FAULT! They are ALL sub human scum and should be rounded up to concentration camps. And blacks. I don't like the way they look at me.

Of course, I was intelligent enough to be born into a middle class family and know absolutely sod all about how hard it is for those at the bottom, but I do know that we should privatise health care and education and cut taxes whilst somehow magically being able to sustain a strong police force with no taxes. If some people have absolutely zero opportunities to succeed and will most likely die of an easily preventable disease because they cannot afford health care then GOOD - will serve them right for choosing to be born to a poor family.

Oh and it's ladder

You're in no position to start criticising typograhical errors

Lower classes have rissen.

You must be one of thoes retards I mentioned .....
Tyrell Corporation, your a gem.

Look at the bomings, it's no sup[rise and has been a long time coming - it wont stop

:D

Paraphrased.

77seven77- Britain isn't what it used to be.

Me- No, and I'll tell you something. it never was, what it used to be.

Seriously dude, look past the pages of the BNP newsletter, get out in the healthy fresh air. Or come to Leicester it'll drive you to suicide which might be good.

It is hardly the same Unionista - stop being such a child

It is hardly the same Unionista - stop being such a child

What's not the same?

Right wing people can't possibly make spelling mistakes Unionsta - they are the master race. Above even whites.

Right wing people can't possibly make spelling mistakes Unionsta - they are the master race. Above even whites.

Oh course! How foolish of us! *She* must be spelling it right, we're all wrong.

Edit: Not all right wing people are idiots by the way, just the extreme one's like 77seven77.

Oh course! How foolish of us! *She* must be spelling it right, we're all wrong.

Edit: Not all right wing people are idiots by the way, just the extreme one's like 77seven77.

If 77Seven77's a girl she can get round here and do my ironing :D

Again *yawn* you are all getting a little childish now by all accounts ...

more money is being spent on schools, hospitals and the police. The UK's standing internationally has grown, we are now part of Europe rather than being the sulky one on the fringes trying to mess up the party.

What do you think has happened?
Since you asked:

I agree, more money is being spent on schools, hospitals, transport, police, and everything in between. This doesn't explain why there is no improvement. Here in Israel, I needed an operation, within two weeks I was within the operating room, in England, I'd have needed to wait a year for it. There's a scary shortage of doctors and nurses, too much bureaucracy, a shortage of beds and rising treatment prices.

I disagree with the UK's international standing, you're a part of Europe against the people's will, and are still trying to mess up the party (good on ya;)). Blair has fucked up relations with France and Germany, people outside England laugh at the British people for electing Blair, and internationally he is not held in high regard by too many. He can talk, but thats all he can do. When it comes to doing stuff, his response too often is to throw more money and more bureaucracy at it.

Just my $0.02

Or come to Leicester it'll drive you to suicide which might be good.
OY! What you got against Leicester? Ex-Oadby resident here, who just so happened to have loved living near Leicester :p

Since you asked:

I agree, more money is being spent on schools, hospitals, transport, police, and everything in between. This doesn't explain why there is no improvement. Here in Israel, I needed an operation, within two weeks I was within the operating room, in England, I'd have needed to wait a year for it. There's a scary shortage of doctors and nurses, too much bureaucracy, a shortage of beds and rising treatment prices.

Actually not true most of that. Waiting lists are dramatically lower than when Labour came to power, and I mean the real wait between diagnosis and treatment. School standards are improving year on year, crime levels are dropping and the average standard of living is improving. There are still not enough Doctors Nurses and teachers though, I'll grant you that.

I disagree with the UK's international standing, you're a part of Europe against the people's will, and are still trying to mess up the party (good on ya;)). Blair has fucked up relations with France and Germany, people outside England laugh at the British people for electing Blair, and internationally he is not held in high regard by too many. He can talk, but thats all he can do. When it comes to doing stuff, his response too often is to throw more money and more bureaucracy at it.

Just my $0.02

The people's will is undecided on Europe. The antis will say it's strongly opposed, I disagree. Europe is the future for the UK and we need to be a major player in the EU.

"Actually not true most of that. Waiting lists are dramatically lower than when Labour came to power, and I mean the real wait between diagnosis and treatment. School standards are improving year on year, crime levels are dropping and the average standard of living is improving."

That is so far from the truth .....

"Actually not true most of that. Waiting lists are dramatically lower than when Labour came to power, and I mean the real wait between diagnosis and treatment. School standards are improving year on year, crime levels are dropping and the average standard of living is improving."

That is so far from the truth .....


Ooooohhh no it isn't :D

Come on then, back it up with some facts, not just a Daily mail editorial.

If you go to the National Stistics Office website (statistics.gov.uk) you can get all the figures you want on waiting lists. if you go to the British Crime Survey at the home office website (www.homeoffice.gov.uk/) you can get figures on crime rates and finally the DFES website will give you figures on exam pass rates.

As opposed to the Daily Mail that will just rant on about how we aren't allowed to call them Blackboards anymore and it's all political correctness gone mad. I blame the immigrants you know, they get given cars and houses you know.

Oooooooo yes let's all run along and look at the government statistics web site to see how things really are ... lol!

:rolleyes:

Oooooooo yes let's all run along and look at the government statistics web site to see how things really are ... lol!

:rolleyes:

No you're right. I should listen to nutters on internet message boards. They know the truth. It's all a conspiracy. I've put some figures (or at least somewhere you can find teh figures) to back up my claims, what's your argument based on? Nothing, because you haven't got one. Your facts are as shaky as your ludicrous political philosophy.

Oh and that pile of washing isn't going to iron itself you know :D

Since you asked:

I agree, more money is being spent on schools, hospitals, transport, police, and everything in between. This doesn't explain why there is no improvement. Here in Israel, I needed an operation, within two weeks I was within the operating room, in England, I'd have needed to wait a year for it. There's a scary shortage of doctors and nurses, too much bureaucracy, a shortage of beds and rising treatment prices.

I disagree with the UK's international standing, you're a part of Europe against the people's will, and are still trying to mess up the party (good on ya;)). Blair has fucked up relations with France and Germany, people outside England laugh at the British people for electing Blair, and internationally he is not held in high regard by too many. He can talk, but thats all he can do. When it comes to doing stuff, his response too often is to throw more money and more bureaucracy at it.

Just my $0.02


A fair summation in my view, certainly of the way in which money has been poured into the health service with little noticeable improvement. Our hospitals now appear to be something of an international joke, regarded as unclean at best, filthy and riddled with MRSA and other delights at worst.

Combined with poorly thought out policies that often appear (to my eyes at least) as knee jerk reactions to the lastest opinion peices in the media, the health service isn't all it's cracked up to be, weighed down by an obsession with targets to be met as though these were some magic wand that might cure all its ills.

As an example, the government introduced a peice of legislation (early 2004 I beleive) that meant doctors had to see patients within 48 hours to improve the standard of care delivered through GP's surgeries. As a result, many surgeries will now not allow patients to book an appointment more than 48 hours in advance, meaning (in my area at least) that each morning, there is a mad scramble at 8am (when the surgery opens) to ring in and try to get an appointment.

When this was pointed out to the PM during the election campaing he seemed... somewhat suprised to say the least.

I personally find that Blair handled the London terror attacks much better than Bush did September 11th. He didn't sound like he was fanning hatred the way I felt Bush was.

:sniper: :mp5: :gundge: :headbang: :fluffle: :upyours: wow these smileys are cool! oh yeah and i hate blair because... um, my mom and dad do.

"Oh and that pile of washing isn't going to iron itself you know"

*yawn*

Originally Posted by 77Seven77
The scum of our country are running round like they own the place and getting more benifits from the gov. producing more scum babies and making this country a shit place.

I love th Daily Mail - it's shame that more people do not read the truth rather than be brainwashed by the media like the BBC.

Before Labour were in power this country could be it's self, the population did not have to worry abotu all this PC crap yet now more polution certain "types of people" on our streets.

Look at the bomings, it's no sup[rise and has been a long time coming - it wont stop

wow here we go another piece of racist scum. I personally disagree with Tony on education. I think that our children are being brought up badly and the frightning rise in youth yob culture us frankly, well frightning. However these "non white" people that you speak of? are these the people who come to England to do the jobs which you dont want to do? without them your toilets would regurgitate the shit you flush down them and your food would most probably not be served up on the table. Without these people our economy would collapse. The idea that they come here and then "sign on" is ridiculous bullshit spewed out by "papers" like the daily mail, which frankly is only good for smacking your bigotist head with. Did you know for example, you cant sign on to the dole as an immigrant until you have been in 12 months solid employment? You didnt? perhaps you should get your facts straight before you comment. To be honest i'm ashamed of people like you living in our country, and i know there are lots of people like you here. This is a reason i dont support Blair, because he has done nothing to stamp out this ill minded hatred people like you have. I personally apologize to any Forienger living in britain for this man and people like him, dont let him put you off from coming here. Perhaps we should introduce a swap policy whereby we get someone from say, pakistan and then swnd this bastard over there problem solved!

Originally Posted by 77Seven77
The scum of our country are running round like they own the place and getting more benifits from the gov. producing more scum babies and making this country a shit place.

I love th Daily Mail - it's shame that more people do not read the truth rather than be brainwashed by the media like the BBC.

Before Labour were in power this country could be it's self, the population did not have to worry abotu all this PC crap yet now more polution certain "types of people" on our streets.

Look at the bomings, it's no sup[rise and has been a long time coming - it wont stop

wow here we go another piece of racist scum. I personally disagree with Tony on education. I think that our children are being brought up badly and the frightning rise in youth yob culture us frankly, well frightning. However these "non white" people that you speak of? are these the people who come to England to do the jobs which you dont want to do? without them your toilets would regurgitate the shit you flush down them and your food would most probably not be served up on the table. Without these people our economy would collapse. The idea that they come here and then "sign on" is ridiculous bullshit spewed out by "papers" like the daily mail, which frankly is only good for smacking your bigotist head with. Did you know for example, you cant sign on to the dole as an immigrant until you have been in 12 months solid employment? You didnt? perhaps you should get your facts straight before you comment. To be honest i'm ashamed of people like you living in our country, and i know there are lots of people like you here. This is a reason i dont support Blair, because he has done nothing to stamp out this ill minded hatred people like you have. I personally apologize to any Forienger living in britain for this man and people like him, dont let him put you off from coming here. Perhaps we should introduce a swap policy whereby we get someone from say, pakistan and then swnd this bastard over there problem solved!

Actually 77Seven77 is a girl. She won't do my ironing though :D She also won't try and defend her ludicrous and offensive point of view, most likely because she either lacks the mental capacity (she does after all read the Daily Mail and believes it) or because she knows it is entirely untenable and doesn't want to appear even more stupid than she already does.

Well, as a hunt supporter, I'd have to say that Tony Blair is an idiot.

But fortunately, since they've messed up that stupid hunting ban so much, the hunt is free to continue as long as the hunters don't break the rules by doing things that they never did anyway! Long live the hunt.

Only people who know nothing about the countryside are against hunting. Stay in your cities, and stay out of our way.

Well, as a hunt supporter, I'd have to say that Tony Blair is an idiot.

But fortunately, since they've messed up that stupid hunting ban so much, the hunt is free to continue as long as the hunters don't break the rules by doing things that they never did anyway! Long live the hunt.

Only people who know nothing about the countryside are against hunting. Stay in your cities, and stay out of our way.
Well, I'd have to say that hunting is possibly the most evil past-time and practice I have ever seen. If foxes are causing that much of a problem for you, at least have the decency to shoot them, or get them placed somewhere else. Chasing them for miles with a pack of dogs then tearing them to pieces, thats no way to solve any problem.

Well, as a hunt supporter, I'd have to say that Tony Blair is an idiot.

But fortunately, since they've messed up that stupid hunting ban so much, the hunt is free to continue as long as the hunters don't break the rules by doing things that they never did anyway! Long live the hunt.

Only people who know nothing about the countryside are against hunting. Stay in your cities, and stay out of our way.

It was an election manifesto promise, the vast majority of the population are opposed to it and it's not just townies that are opposed to it.

Well, I'd have to say that hunting is possibly the most evil past-time and practice I have ever seen. If foxes are causing that much of a problem for you, at least have the decency to shoot them, or get them placed somewhere else. Chasing them for miles with a pack of dogs then tearing them to pieces, thats no way to solve any problem.

We DO shoot them. We only use the dogs to FIND them. After the fox is dead, we throw it to the dogs. The dogs very very rarely catch the fox themselves. I'm not a hunter myself, I'm just friends with alot of them, and I enjoy watching the hunt.

I wish the anti-hunting people would stop spreading lies about fox hunting.

We DO shoot them. We only use the dogs to FIND them. After the fox is dead, we throw it to the dogs. The dogs very very rarely catch the fox themselves. I'm not a hunter myself, I'm just friends with alot of them, and I enjoy watching the hunt.

I wish the anti-hunting people would stop spreading lies about fox hunting.

On the hunting thing, I'm not a fan despite living in walking (well, running) distance of the New Forest, but just because I don't like it I don't necessarily see it as a reason to ban it. I wish Hunt fans would be honest and stop trying to pretend it's about pest control. It's not, is it? If I had mice in my kitchen I could [a] set some traps or poison myself, [b] pay Rentokil to come and sort them out, [c] buy a cat or [d] get a large number of my friends round on horseback to chase the mouse through the house until it collapses exhausted, at which point after killing it humanely I could feed it to the cat after wiping it's blood on my son's forehead.

Actually, now I come to think about it ......... :D

No I don't approve of Blair. He has consistently failed to act on election promises (unless another election is coming up, e.g. banning hunting with hounds), and he is an awful public speaker - simply dreadful. Brown is much better IMHO

On the hunting thing, I'm not a fan despite living in walking (well, running) distance of the New Forest, but just because I don't like it I don't necessarily see it as a reason to ban it. I wish Hunt fans would be honest and stop trying to pretend it's about pest control. It's not, is it? If I had mice in my kitchen I could [a] set some traps or poison myself, [b] pay Rentokil to come and sort them out, [c] buy a cat or [d] get a large number of my friends round on horseback to chase the mouse through the house until it collapses exhausted, at which point after killing it humanely I could feed it to the cat after wiping it's blood on my son's forehead.

Actually, now I come to think about it ......... :D

lol, I could never bring myself to poison a mouse. It just wouldn't be...sporting. A mouse kept stealing my cereal a while back, so I caught him with one of those non-lethal traps, and then I released him some distance away from my house. See, just because I'm a hunt supporter doesn't mean I savagely mutilate and kill every small furry animal I find.

I really like foxes. I just like foxhounds more :)

I don't know that much about him to have an opinion. I do know hes bushes little lapdog, after seeing http://www.funnypart.com/funny_flash/tony_blairs_desktop.shtml

OY! What you got against Leicester? Ex-Oadby resident here, who just so happened to have loved living near Leicester :p

I live here it sucks (IMO anyway, I prefer Crawley). My main point though was the large 'immigrant' population which would drive 77seven77 mad.

I live here it sucks (IMO anyway, I prefer Crawley). My main point though was the large 'immigrant' population which would drive 77seven77 mad.

Leicester must be a dump if you prefer Crawley, even if it is home to Neil Back and Martin Johnson :D

Well, I'd have to say that hunting is possibly the most evil past-time and practice I have ever seen. If foxes are causing that much of a problem for you, at least have the decency to shoot them, or get them placed somewhere else. Chasing them for miles with a pack of dogs then tearing them to pieces, thats no way to solve any problem.

"Get them placed somewhere else"? Dear Mr Fox, please come and live in my back garden, I have nice bins to root through and pet rabbits to eat. There are also small children to attack, so please stop attacking my nice tasty chickens for fun, not just for food.

I used to live in the New Forest and am pro-hunt as it is the most effective way to control the fox population. My other half also used to live in the New Forest and is anti-hunt, so it's not a case of townies vs countries.

As soon as they come up with a more reliable way to keep the population down (which needs to be done - they are vermin and kill for fun, not just for food) then I will agree that hunting should be banned. As it is, if you were a farmer and your options were to pay a sharp shooter to come in and maybe hit a fox, put some poison down and be prosecuted for poisoning badgers, or let the hunt ride across your land now and again, which would you choose?

"Get them placed somewhere else"? Dear Mr Fox, please come and live in my back garden, I have nice bins to root through and pet rabbits to eat. There are also small children to attack, so please stop attacking my nice tasty chickens for fun, not just for food.

I used to live in the New Forest and am pro-hunt as it is the most effective way to control the fox population. My other half also used to live in the New Forest and is anti-hunt, so it's not a case of townies vs countries.

As soon as they come up with a more reliable way to keep the population down (which needs to be done - they are vermin and kill for fun, not just for food) then I will agree that hunting should be banned. As it is, if you were a farmer and your options were to pay a sharp shooter to come in and maybe hit a fox, put some poison down and be prosecuted for poisoning badgers, or let the hunt ride across your land now and again, which would you choose?

None of them. I'd lay traps or poison in the Foxes hole, and check them regularly. And foxes attacking Children? were the foxes disguised as Grandma, and did a passing wood cutter save them all? :D :D

well I like Blair!

Violent crime up by 8%+
Domestic violence up 3%+
Homophobic hate crime up 9%+

There you go some proof, more to come so stick that in your ........

It is so easy to wind you trendy libs/leftys up!

Oh and don't call me sir, I'm female, I onyl like being called Sir on certain saturday nights.

God bless and long live Maggie she is god.....

Like others have said, you're a racist retard.

Homophobic hate crime up 9%+



I thought you'd see that as a positive?

As for the rest, as most sociologists will tell you, it's due to the backlash from the Tory education policies of the 80's - those who were educated by the Tories are now old enough to be committing crimes and raising their own children with the same selfish attitudes the Tories educated them with.

"I thought you'd see that as a positive?"

Why on earth would I find that positive? Have I made any homophobic comments? - never assume anything it makes you look like an idiot

As for the rest, as most sociologists will tell you, it's due to the backlash from the Tory education policies of the 80's - those who were educated by the Tories are now old enough to be committing crimes and raising their own children with the same selfish attitudes the Tories educated them with

Again drivel ..... Look at what Labour have spewed out from schools onto our streets.

Kradlumania, you are showing that you are a retard not I!

Violent crime up by 8%+
Domestic violence up 3%+
Homophobic hate crime up 9%+

There you go some proof, more to come so stick that in your ........

-Violent crime has fallen by 36% since its peak in 1995 and has remained relatively stable since 2000.


The biggest problem with the crime statistics is that in 1998/99 the police were asked to start recording certain new offences that previously weren't counted.
Crime hasn't increased, they merely actually record it as crime whereas before much went unrecorded.

Overall, Blair's record as PM has been quite good. Though he has made some questionable decisions (War in Iraq) he has also led what has been a relatively strong Government and has begun a shift away from the dire Conservative policies of the 80's and 90's.

And foxes attacking Children? were the foxes disguised as Grandma, and did a passing wood cutter save them all? :D :Dhttp://www.wftv.com/news/4203021/detail.html apparently not.