NationStates Jolt Archive

Who do you think should've won it? im not saying on who you like better, im talking about forces. should the soviets have won it, or should the nazi's have?

What are we to assume is different? If nothing's different then obviously the Soviets, but if the weather and supply situations were different that might change to the Germans.

What are we to assume is different? If nothing's different then obviously the Soviets, but if the weather and supply situations were different that might change to the Germans.
Well, the germans won the city of stalingrad, then got promptly cut off on the flanks and encircled. Lession: Don't expect the romanians to hold your flanks.

Nice to see its always the weather not the Soviets who won the war, nice to see the sacraficed lives of 20 million men, women and children being appreciated in the west. Honestly the Soviets destoyed 81% of the European Axis War machine, and by the time of D-day the Germans had already been defeated anyway.

You know the battle of Britain, that was just the weather, D-day too, none of it was due to anything the US or the UK really did, just the weather.

well i think the weather actually went against the UK during the battle of britain. it was perfect invading/flying weather.

Stalingrad was lost by the Germans more than won by the Soviets (as is often the case with victories). It's a great example of Hitler's ignorance of military skill. Spliting Army Group South in order to try and take both the oil fields and Stalingrad was a colassal error of the highest degree.

oh, freistaat sachen was being sarcastic. how embarassing.

oh, freistaat sachen was being sarcastic. how embarassing.

lol ;) Stuff happens.

The soviet victory at stalingrad was very costly for the soviets; 1,129,619 men of the red army were killed, wounded or missing. while the germans lost160000 (of the 250000 men of the german sixth army only 90000 survived and of the survivors only 5000 returned to germany at the end of the war). the victory however showed that the german Wehrmacht (army) was not invincible boosting soviet morale while demoralizing the germans marking the begining of the end of germany but the battle was not a major turning point in the war as germany still had massive millitary resources.

The soviet victory at stalingrad was very costly for the soviets; 1,129,619 men of the red army were killed, wounded or missing. while the germans lost160000 (of the 250000 men of the german sixth army only 90000 survived and of the survivors only 5000 returned to germany at the end of the war). the victory however showed that the german Wehrmacht (army) was not invincible boosting soviet morale while demoralizing the germans marking the begining of the end of germany but the battle was not a major turning point in the war as germany still had massive millitary resources.

To go off topic for a moment. While yes, Germany still had massive war making capacity, IMO the turning point was when Germany lost the Battle of Moscow. A win there would have meant winning the war. The loss allowed the Soviets to win at Stalingrad. We now return you to the regularly scheduled topic.

As I've read the Germans and their allies lost over half a million men in the Stalingrad campaign, the Red Army about a nine-hundred thousand casualties overall (dead/wounded/missing). The Germans only took most of the city as Zhukov was holding most of the Soviet units allotted to the area in reserve for the counterattack (Operation Uranus). Chuikov's 62nd army only received enough fresh divisions ferried across the Volga to replace the ones literally obliterated in the stree fighting. So honestly, from the outset once the 6th Army's advance ground down to attritional warfare, the balance of the battle (in retrospect) hung clearly with the Soviets. The German high command reported that German losses in the Soviet Union were no longer sustainable even before the encirclement...so the Red Army started winning the war of attrition sometime in September 1942.

That's a rather silly question. If you aren't deciding on whom you favor, then the Soviets should win, because in the end, they did. Amounts of forces has little to do with it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad
Here's a summary of what happened...

Now, what kind of question is that? Who should have won, ie who we like more?
Or tactical? In which case it's not a question because the Soviets won.

Anyways, I agree that the war was over when they couldn't take Moscow in the first Autumn. After that, they got kind of close, but they never really had a chance. The Soviets could just have retreated further and further. After they drove back the Germans once, morally they knew they could do it again.