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I've just had a good laugh.

Thoughts?

The US has trained terrorists, too. So?

Not that there is any proof in that article at all.

The US has trained terrorists, too. So?

This proves that if we want to defeat world terrorism, we'll have to confront the Russians sooner or later, preferrably sooner.

This proves that if we want to defeat world terrorism, we'll have to confront the Russians sooner or later, preferrably sooner.

No, it doesn't. It doesn't prove anything. And the US did the same thing to them by funding anti-Russian islamist terrorists, Bin Laden being one of them, in Afghanistan.

This proves that if we want to defeat world terrorism, we'll have to confront the Russians sooner or later, preferrably sooner.
Your hatred of Russia is comforting -- someone thinks we're so important...

As for the info presented -- only a fool would set a 'FSB terrorist training camp' in Dagestan, next door to Chechnya. The FSB aren't fools... An ex-agent decided to make some money with a cock-and-bull story, that's all.

I'd not trust a news article from a site with a marriage service and e-cards at the top.

As has been previously mentioned, the US has trained terrorists as well, and no one has invaded us for it. Maybe the US and Russia should just duke it out?

I expect the Russians trained terrorists for the same reason the Americans did, to fight their dirty Cold War for them. What I don't understand is why Americans funded the IRA during it's 30 year campaign of terrorist bombing.

I expect the Russians trained terrorists for the same reason the Americans did, to fight their dirty Cold War for them. What I don't understand is why Americans funded the IRA during it's 30 year campaign of terrorist bombing.
It is a well-known fact that the KGB trained scores of terrorists (mostly Palestinians), but Gorbachev decided to shut down the programme in the late 80s.

BREAKING:

OSAMA BIN LADEN TRAINED BY US, PAKISTAN
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/155236.stm

This only means one thing. We must defeat the united states in the war on terror.

What I don't understand is why Americans funded the IRA during it's 30 year campaign of terrorist bombing.

The key is in understanding that America did not fund the IRA, but some Americans did. America has a lot of Irish and Irish-descended citizens, and it's only natural they would retain their anti-British prejudices and Republican sympathies. They didn't suddenly stop being Irish when they passed through Ellis Island.

I wouldn't be suprised, after all we did fund the Afghan resistance. I suppose it's just revenge, in which case we should sanction them or something of the sort....after all, the Cold War IS over :D

Yes because Russia is totally immune from terrorist attacks...

Yes because Russia is totally immune from terrorist attacks...
Erm... is that irony? I hope so.

If not, I'll have to disappoint you...

BREAKING:

OSAMA BIN LADEN TRAINED BY US, PAKISTAN
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/155236.stm

This only means one thing. We must defeat the united states in the war on terror.

Amen to that! CHARGE!!!!! :sniper:

http://news.webindia123.com/news/showdetails.asp?id=98038&cat=World

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If this is true, I'd say they are getting back at us for Afghanistan and Chechnya. American money made possible all sorts of wierdness in Central Asia dureing the Cold War, and of course the Afghan business. I remember seeing articles in Newsweek about the brave Mujahadin. I remember Afghan refugees all over San Francisco too.
But that said, the Indians have a wierd relationship with Russia themselves.
Too much math homework today or I'd elaborate. I will later.

This proves that if we want to defeat world terrorism, we'll have to confront the Russians sooner or later, preferrably sooner.

HA HA frickin' HA.

Go for it.

If you thought it was lonely being the "world's policeman", try giving "world's psychotically deranged and totally paranoid policeman" a whirl.

Like a nation of Maytag repairmen, only not half as endearing as ol' Gordon Jump.

Erm... is that irony? I hope so.

If not, I'll have to disappoint you...

Actually that was sarcasm...

Nice to see the Russians are up to something other than stealing cars in Moscow. 'Bout time they did something to screw over the world since the U.S.S.R. fell.

Nice to have them back.

Actually that was sarcasm...
Sorry... I've been on this forum long enough to know that I can expect to have a discussion here with someone who hasn't heard of Moscow bombings and Beslan.

Sorry... I've been on this forum long enough to know that I can expect to have a discussion here with someone who hasn't heard of Moscow bombings and Beslan.

I should have verified with the tradational "*sarcasm off*", actually when I typed that I was thinking about the terrorists who took over that school. Yeah we're evil and they're the ones shooting kids.

I should have verified with the tradational "*sarcasm off*", actually when I typed that I was thinking about the terrorists who took over that school. Yeah we're evil and they're the ones shooting kids.

That it was sarcasm comes as a relief cuz I was going to have to say that yeah Beslan the theatre business and there's been stuff like apartment houses blown up in Moscow. So yeah Russia hasn't been exactly immune.

russia was doing what it must do in order to survive. if they did not train the al queda, they would probably be bombed by the al queda. i would've done it if they threatened me like that.

Russia has been fighting what amounts to a dirty civil/sepratist war for many years now. I'm surprised we haven't heard more nasty stuff from that area of the world lately. Perhaps its just not making the news.

Maybe the US and Russia should just duke it out?

That was the original plan in 1946. Unfortunately that Pussy Truman didn't have the balls, and the Brits voted Churchill out of office before hitler's missing corpse was even cold. So they had to cancel the fixture.

Would have been pretty damn cool though.

Russia has been fighting what amounts to a dirty civil/sepratist war for many years now. I'm surprised we haven't heard more nasty stuff from that area of the world lately. Perhaps its just not making the news.
I think so. There are occasional terrorist bombings in Chechnya now, for example, fourteen men died in a car bombing yesterday.

I think so. There are occasional terrorist bombings in Chechnya now, for example, fourteen men died in a car bombing yesterday.

Yeah, like that kind of stuff. When it spills over into neighboring nations, or even reaches the point of assassinating various leaders in exile, then we see it on the news. Until then, its just a dirty backyard no one wants to talk about, because Russia is big, important, and very sensitive about its dirty backyard.

The rest of the world will sit back and watch quietly.

Well I have been seeing stuff about Chechnya for a long time. The problems in Chechnya quite literally date back to Stalin's time and it's really very sad. Chechens were sent to Siberia, the whole people, for not going along with the Party programe, then they have not had it easy since, they became a very bitter people and there is no easy way to make peace now.

russia was doing what it must do in order to survive. if they did not train the al queda, they would probably be bombed by the al queda. i would've done it if they threatened me like that.

You know Al'qaieda were trained by the US right...

Well I have been seeing stuff about Chechnya for a long time. The problems in Chechnya quite literally date back to Stalin's time and it's really very sad. Chechens were sent to Siberia, the whole people, for not going along with the Party programe, then they have not had it easy since, they became a very bitter people and there is no easy way to make peace now.
Not quite, the Chechens along with several other North Caucasian peoples fought the Russian Army from 1817 to 1864. We won in the end, but North Caucasus was governed under martial law till the end of the Empire. The Chechens, by the way, served in the so-called 'Wild division' -- the shock troops of the Imperial army.

After the Revolution the Chechen elite (landlords, mullahs, etc.) was deported to Kazakhstan (not Siberia). When WWII came, some Chechens joined the Nazis, thus committing an act of treason against the Soviet Union.

In 1944 Stalin, in his typical manner, decided to punish the whole nation and deported it to Kazakhstan. Those who survived the journey to steppes found that their former overlords acquired necessary connections and joined the Party... everything in Kazakhstan was not unlike the olden times. :-)

In 1957 Khrushchev permitted the Chechens to return. Everything was peaceful and serene until the break-up of the USSR, when one Chechen leader made a UDI... and then all the hell broke loose.

I expect the Russians trained terrorists for the same reason the Americans did, to fight their dirty Cold War for them. What I don't understand is why Americans funded the IRA during it's 30 year campaign of terrorist bombing.

The American government did not; it was the Irish-American community within the US that would raise the money for the IRA. Sometimes they would do it overtly, as when Mr. Kelly asked me if I would like to contribute to the IRA, but much of the time it was done covertly through Irish-American clubs and organizations.

The American government did not; it was the Irish-American community within the US that would raise the money for the IRA. Sometimes they would do it overtly, as when Mr. Kelly asked me if I would like to contribute to the IRA, but much of the time it was done covertly through Irish-American clubs and organizations.
The USSR and the Eastern Bloc countries, not to mention Libya, supplied the IRA and its clones to a greater extent than the American supporters.

The USSR and the Eastern Bloc countries, not to mention Libya, supplied the IRA and its clones to a greater extent than the American supporters.

Germany also supported the IRA during WW II.

Germany also supported the IRA during WW II.
Yes, Germany counted on its help during the planned invassion of the British Isles.

You know Al'qaieda were trained by the US right...

Yes they were, except not under the name of Al Qaeda. What we know as Al Qaeda today is basically what remained of The Mujahadin after the former USSR left Afghanistan.

And I won't even bring up the United States involvement in Central America.. (Ooops, just did. ;) )

The USSR and the Eastern Bloc countries, not to mention Libya, supplied the IRA and its clones to a greater extent than the American supporters.

In actual fact there wasn't that much support for the IRA out of the East Bloc, and even American supporters were not that big a cash cow for the IRA, because the majority of Irish Americans never supported the IRA. I'd say it was probably about 15% of the Irish American population who did, when you figure that the 1980 census counted some 44 million Americans as haveing at least some Irish descent, then that's still a lot of people, and would account for more money than the former Soviet Union and certainly more than Libya. Libya basically only sent a couple shipments of arms.
For the most part Irish people don't care for Arabs or Muslims, it's not outright hate or anything, just discomfort, and the Soviet Union was never very popular with Irish people. Socialism originated in Ireland with Fintan Lawlor, Dr. Thompson, and was elaborated on some by James Connolly but proper Marxism never took hold.
Plus the Russian factory ships became a real nuisance to the Irish and Scottish fishermen. Most Russian interest in Ireland and Scotland was academic, interest in Celtic languages for example, or resource oriented, as in where to get the most fish.
Fish was
I'm sure the KGB kept an eye on things and tried to influence events but they were never a major player, and as far as other East Bloc nations well
Czechoslovakia was a major source for explosives like Semtex and East
Germany was occasionally involved, but again, not majorly as there was no particular mutual benefit.
Olantia, thanks for the information about the Chechens, I always like when I can learn something new.

In actual fact there wasn't that much support for the IRA out of the East Bloc, and even American supporters were not that big a cash cow for the IRA, because the majority of Irish Americans never supported the IRA. I'd say it was probably about 15% of the Irish American population who did, when you figure that the 1980 census counted some 44 million Americans as haveing at least some Irish descent, then that's still a lot of people, and would account for more money than the former Soviet Union and certainly more than Libya. Libya basically only sent a couple shipments of arms.
For the most part Irish people don't care for Arabs or Muslims, it's not outright hate or anything, just discomfort, and the Soviet Union was never very popular with Irish people. Socialism originated in Ireland with Fintan Lawlor, Dr. Thompson, and was elaborated on some by James Connolly but proper Marxism never took hold.
I had in mind the Eastern Bloc providing the IRA with arms and explosives first and foremost, not with the money -- the IRA wasn't an orthodox Communist party, thus not 'eligible' for massive Soviet funding. As for Libya... I suppose its involvement in supplying the IRA was somewhat overhyped then?
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Olantia, thanks for the information about the Chechens, I always like when I can learn something new.
Not at all, I'm always pleased to tell something about Russia... and, sometimes, about something else. :)