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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4697299.stm

"British National Party founder John Tyndall, 71, has been found dead at his home in Hove, Sussex police have said."

Excellent news.

I was just about to post this.

Gravedance, anyone?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4697299.stm

"British National Party founder John Tyndall, 71, has been found dead at his home in Hove, Sussex police have said."

Excellent news.
I agree, but your title is a bit provocative...
The only good Nazi is a reeducated Nazi in my eyes. (Though I doubt it's possible)

Who is this? I get that he was a right wing nut, but what beyond that?

Gravedance, anyone?

I'll bring the accordion! You were thinking about a polka, right?

Right?

/By the by, congrats on the 10 000th post BWO!

The BNP are far from my favourite party and I think they are many things but nazi's I don't think so. Thoughts go out to the family.

I'd rather it was Griffin

Will this mean that the BNP will be forced to disband? No.

Therefore his death was in vain.

basically the BNP is the British Nazi Party,
super right wing members that deny the holocaust and want to deport ALL people with less than 100% english blood.

of course this leaves only about 500 people left in the country, but then again in their minds who cares

the death of their leader sounds like there will be street parties, and nazi lynchings soon

Oh. That clears things up. Yah. Ill bring the scotch and glasses. No ice, though, but I've got a russian frend that has some vodka...

Hope it was painful.

Hope it was painful.


Seconded.

(condolences to the family, however)

Will this mean that the BNP will be forced to disband? No.

Aye, but Maggie Thatcher's death won't bring material gains to anyone either but I'm still going to dance on her grave.

He wasn't their leader but I'm still up for a little grave dancing. Balalaika anyone?
Just to add insult to injury we could do some Reggae too. Or blast Bangra at the mourners ;)

Aye, but Maggie Thatcher's death won't bring material gains to anyone either but I'm still going to dance on her grave.

Dance, urinate, potayto, potato...

i reckon we should form a band of dancing grave robbers
robbing from the dead and giving to the living

basically the BNP is the British Nazi Party,
super right wing members that deny the holocaust and want to deport ALL people with less than 100% english blood.

of course this leaves only about 500 people left in the country, but then again in their minds who cares

the death of their leader sounds like there will be street parties, and nazi lynchings soon

The founder died, believe me I'd prefer it was their leader Nick Griffin

Oddly enough, the BNP are winning a few council elections.

Yet everyone moans when they do. Even Blair.

Listen people, this is a D-E-M-O-C-R-A-C-Y. When it goes against you, do not moan.

That said, I don't support the BNP in any way, shape or form.

i reckon we should form a band of dancing grave robbers
robbing from the dead and giving to the livingAnd I thought posting on NationStates all day was a sad way to spend my life... :p

I wish there was some sort of law that allowed us to publically humilitate him after death...

castration or something would be good, but then again, who would want to or be willing to go near a dead, wrinkly nazi and grab his balls is beyond me.

And I thought posting on NationStates all day was a sad way to spend my life... :p
there are more ways

I can't say I'm sad about the death of a nazi. I hate the BNP and I'm not even from England.

we should hang him upside down from a girder and spit on him.

I wish there was some sort of law that allowed us to publically humilitate him after death...

castration or something would be good, but then again, who would want to or be willing to go near a dead, wrinkly nazi and grab his balls is beyond me.

Nazi necrophilliacs?

*Russian dances* Da da daduda da da *trips over gravestone*

I agree, but your title is a bit provocative...
The only good Nazi is a reeducated Nazi in my eyes. (Though I doubt it's possible)

Actually, studies conducted after WW2 showed it was surprisingly easy to re-educate Nazi soliders.

Don't you think you guys are...well....going a tad bit extreme here? I mean, I can't stand Howard Dean, but, assuming he died, I wouldn't be dancing on his grave. Give the dead SOME respect, sheesh.

Actually, studies conducted after WW2 showed it was surprisingly easy to re-educate Nazi soliders.
But then again, because of the war tribunals, wouldn't it be much easier to fake reeducation rather than risk death?

Don't you think you guys are...well....going a tad bit extreme here? I mean, I can't stand Howard Dean, but, assuming he died, I wouldn't be dancing on his grave. Give the dead SOME respect, sheesh.
Howard Dean's beliefs aren't connected to the murder of tens of millions of people.

I mean, I can't stand Howard Dean, but, assuming he died, I wouldn't be dancing on his grave. Give the dead SOME respect, sheesh.

Question: did Howard Dean found openly racist and anti-semitic political organisations or a private army devoted to using violence to achieve white supremacist aims?

I'm from Burnley, where they have a lot of support and even a local councillor. They are racist, whatever they claim, and they have a very unhelpful attitude. I find it very worrying the number of votes they get (not enough for MP's, but significant numbers) and they have councilors.

I think its wrong to celebrate anyones death, and i wont. death of the party and i'd join in, death of a person, however racist, no.

I'm going to start praying nightly, maybe Griffin will go the same way. Even though I'd prefer a nice death by being deported to Afghanistan then being lynched by an angry mob. Thats called karma.
Still, can't complain. One less fucked up racist in England. This scum got everything he deserved. You advocate death and deportation, you die. Sounds tempting. Implement it as a law and watch as the entire BNP form a queue around the nearest hanging post.

Collect his body and make biodiesel with it.

I can't say I'm sad about the death of a nazi. I hate the BNP and I'm not even from England.

Are you in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland? :p

Aye, but Maggie Thatcher's death won't bring material gains to anyone either but I'm still going to dance on her grave.

Amen. Im holding a party! Bring alcohol and your welcome to come!

It is my understanding that threads of this nature are prohibited.

Thank God. I wish more Nazis would drop dead.

That he's dead is irrelevant, people! Stop trying to make it into a celebratory event! The fact remains he spent his life unpunished, which is unjust in itself - and although today's anti-hate laws cannot, of course, apply retroactively, if they'd only been around when he headed the BNP he'd have got the sentence he deserved. It's just a shame they weren't.

As for Maggie, give me strength. She's hardly grave-dancing material. There are plenty more hatable politicians than her around, people.

Aye, but Maggie Thatcher's death won't bring material gains to anyone either but I'm still going to dance on her grave.

You think she wouldn't reach out and claw off your legs if you tried?

That he's dead is irrelevant, people! Stop trying to make it into a celebratory event! The fact remains he spent his life unpunished, which is unjust in itself - and although today's anti-hate laws cannot, of course, apply retroactively, if they'd only been around when he headed the BNP he'd have got the sentence he deserved. It's just a shame they weren't.

He was due to stand trial for inciting racial hatred. Police have said his death is not suspicious.

As for Maggie, give me strength. She's hardly grave-dancing material. There are plenty more hatable politicians than her around, people.

Aye, but we already celebrated Reagan.

You think she wouldn't reach out and claw off your legs if you tried?

I'm willing to take that risk.

Just the other day I made a teeshirt saying "the only good nazi is a dead nazi"

Spooky, eh?


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The Bnp are not the british nazi party, they are the british national party. get it right, and stop stereotyping the far right. In the same way islamic extremists preach race violence, so do the BNP, so before everybody strats rejoicing at the death of a man please consider the bigger picture.

The Bnp are not the british nazi party, they are the british national party. get it right, and stop stereotyping the far right. In the same way islamic extremists preach race violence, so do the BNP, so before everybody strats rejoicing at the death of a man please consider the bigger picture.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/furniture/in_depth/programmes/bnp_special/roots/1958nsf300.jpg
recognise tyndall on the left there?

Very sad news and a very sad day :(

He was due to stand trial for inciting racial hatred. Police have said his death is not suspicious.

He was? Excellent. Shame the process took that long, but I guess it happens. Bit of a downside to the judicial system, but I'd rather that than corners were cut.

I'm amazed to say I slightly find myself agreeing with Senor Fascista here, too. It's not the British Nazi Party, and shouldn't be called such. I hate it as if it were - possibly more so for not admitting its horrific, thuggish racism but pretending to be a respectable political party - but call it what it is and see for yourself (http://www.bnp.org.uk).

John Tyndall was a patriot and I shall at least offer him some respect.

The BNP, although extreme right-wing, is not Nazi. Although you may disagree with their views, I am sure you would rather have an extreme-right political party, contesting elections and attempting to remain legitimate, despite media provocation not to do so, than have extreme right-wing movements such as Combat-18, a terrorist organisation with links to paramilitary's in N.Ireland and abroad, or the National Front, who whip up violence against non-whites.

John Tyndall, a British patriot.

The sudden death of BNP founder John Tyndall will be met a mixture of wry smiles, cheers and guttural laughter amongst anti-fascists everywhere. The founder and fomer leader of the British National Party, Tyndall had spent the last few years of his life attempting to regain control of the party he had founded, from the man he had brought in to the organisation as his eventual succesor - Nick Griffin. Griffin's decision not to hang around, but to oust Tyndall in 1999, provoked a sulk of Ted Heath proporations.

A life long fascist, Tyndall was frequently pictured in his younger days in full nazi uniform, hamming it up at nazi camps in rural England in the early 60s. Such pictures were reproduced so frequently it was easy to forget that Tyndall was in many ways closer to the old Tory racist right than the neo-nazi right. This prompted one fascist opponent of his to comment "the problem with John Tyndall is not that he is a nazi pretending to be a Tory, but that he is a Tory pretending to be a nazi!"
Although Tyndall occasionally made overtures towards figures in the Conservative party (most famously Alan Clark) they came to nothing, indeed Clark complained that the Italian restaurant in Victoria where Tyndall had tried to wine and dine him was "appalling". It was only after Tyndall lost the BNP leadership that Conservatives began voting for, and joining the BNP in anything like significant numbers.

Two elements perhaps characterised Tyndall as a political leader - his ability to make a tubthumping, rabidly racist speech that would please the BNP rank and file, and his inability to spot any agent provocateur or spook in and around his circle, under virtually any circumstances. From Ray Hill, through to Eddy Morrison, Tim Hepple, Mark Cotterill and Peter Rushton, Tyndall missed them all. It was this type of "leadership" that ensured that the British far-right remained one of the weakest in Europe. For that we should be grateful.

Tyndall's main strategy as BNP leader was to hold marches and paper sales, and to stand in elections. From this, he expected the organisation to snowball into a mass organisation that would control first the streets of Britain, then its corridors of power. Instead the BNP were simply flattened, on a regular basis from one end of the country to another, as anti-fascists took the battle to them. By the early 1990s Tyndall was still advocating an approach that most of his party members knew, from painful experience, was unworkable.

One of his last tub thumping speeches - exposed in the BBCs "Secret Agent" documentary earlier this year - led to a charge of inciting racial hatred, which saw Tyndall clogging up the courts again with his plummy voice, combover and permanently outraged tone. It could well be the stress of that case, plus his explusion from the BNP, proved to much for someone who was after all in their early 70s.
If so it is worth remembering that John Tyndall died of natural causes - had he ever come to power he had a far worse fate in store for many of us!

http://www.londonclasswar.org/antifa3.htm

John Tyndall was a patriot and I shall at least offer him some respect.

So too was Oswald Mosley, does he get your respect as well?

The BNP is not a nazi party. It has many misguided members, but it is still the best British political party.

I don't really care that this chap is dead, but the number of brainwashed lefties grinning like idiots due to his death deeply saddens me.

are you a member of class war federation RPP?

are you a member of class war federation RPP?

Not bloody likely.

The BNP is not a nazi party. It has many misguided members, but it is still the best British political party.

Its racist from top to bottom and nobody can deny that.
It advocates highly authoritarian policies.
It says that britain is being run by "Liberal marxists".
It's leader says the holocaust never happened.
You can't say that the BNP isnt a nazi party and keep a straight face.


I don't really care that this chap is dead, but the number of brainwashed lefties grinning like idiots due to his death deeply saddens me.
Yeah we probably shouldn't have laughed when hitler died either, eh?

Not bloody likely.
Thank fuck for that

The BNP is a nationalist party, get your facts right ...........

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4697299.stm

"British National Party founder John Tyndall, 71, has been found dead at his home in Hove, Sussex police have said."

Excellent news.

I would have a hard time trying to feel grief, if I tried that is. Still, it's not really good form to be disrespectful of the dead, even those who deserve death.

I would have a hard time trying to feel grief, if I tried that is. Still, it's not really good form to be disrespectful of the dead, even those who deserve death.

So I take it you're not coming for the gravedance?

Still, it's not really good form to be disrespectful of the dead, even those who deserve death.

It isn't a case of being disrespectful of the dead, but instead being disrespctful of those, such as Tyndall, who are/were disrespectable. His death alters my opinion of him not one jot.

This was sad news indeed.
It`s even worse to see all the anti-white haters on this board laughing when a loyal anti-genocide politican dies.

For all those who have devoted our lives to prevent non-whites from taking over Europe and reducing us whites to minorities in our own countries this is unbelievable. Can`t you all just leave Europe and settle down in South America or in Africa if you love the non-whites so much???
No, because you want what only whites can give you: wealth, orderly societies, security, civilizations. But at the same time you want "exciting cultural impulses" from stone age cannibals.

If only the Führer had one the war....*sigh*.
Well, better luck next time!

P.S: Fascism and national socialism have as much in common as a fish and an astronaut. Just shows how stupid you have to be in order to support the jewish-bolshevik antifa.

"We must secure the existance of our people and a future for white children"
- David Lane

It really amazes me that those who claim to be for freedom of speech, those who preach tolerance of other ideas, and who say they stand for peace and brotherly love can spew such venom. Go back and read these posts folks, see how much intolerance and hate these hypocrites have for anyone or anything that is not politically left of center. I’m not talking about just the hate they are showing for this man but also Thatcher and Reagan.

The BNP is a nationalist party, get your facts right ...........

Well, technically, it is a Third Positionist party rather than a nationalist one, despite what it proclaims itself as in its title.

It really amazes me that those who claim to be for freedom of speech, those who preach tolerance of other ideas, and who say they stand for peace and brotherly love can spew such venom. Go back and read these posts folks, see how much intolerance and hate these hypocrites have for anyone or anything that is not politically left of center. I’m not talking about just the hate they are showing for this man but also Thatcher and Reagan.

What do you think we are? Liberals? Fuck that. I don't tolerate organised fascists and extreme right-wingers who do nothing but fuck over the international working-class

Can`t you all just leave Europe and settle down in South America or in Africa if you love the non-whites so much???

What makes you think we are white?

So too was Oswald Mosley, does he get your respect as well?

Oswald Mosley fought bravely in the First World War. He led the British Union of Fascists in the 1930's and post WW2, only after he had tried both the Labour and Tory parties and found them to be totally useless in helping the working man. He gains my respect.

For those anti-fascists here, the working class has time and time again shown itself to be distrustful of socialists and communists. The working class in the UK is inherently conservative, thats why it gave such an overwhelmingly positive response to Encoh Powell, and again to Thatcher. The BNP support base is working class ex-Labour voters. I find it very interesting that white anti-fascists nearly always come from a comfortable middle-class family, who live in the very white suburbs.

What do you think we are? Liberals? Fuck that. I don't tolerate organised fascists and extreme right-wingers who do nothing but fuck over the international working-class

For a left-winger, you sure are intolerant. You are preaching just as much hate as you accuse this man of preaching.

What makes you think we are white?

Not all of you, but I assume that a large portion of the (anti-white) haters in here are themselves white.
Now that`s disgusting, and its the jewish bolsheviks that have brainwashed them into believing there`s no difference between the races (a biological impossibility) and that the white race has done more wrong than other races when in fact its the other way around.
Arabs took more than four times as many negroes as slaves, the whites bought slaves from other blacks, blacks took whites as slaves as well and so on.
The jews themselves are the worst. They murdered some 30 mill. russians, 15 mill. ukrainians and between 10 and 14 million german civilians and POWs. Yes, the allies were run by jews as well (like Eisenhower), not just the Soviet Union.
When the arabs colonised Europe and took countless whites as slaves they were oppresive, when we whites colonised the third world we gave them food, medicine, education, infrastructure and so on. The colonisation was a great enrichment to these primitive tribes. We build up their nation, then they tear it all down and come here to colonise our nations. The traitors that let them in must be put to justice.

God, how I hate the jewish mafia that runs this world.

I wish there was some sort of law that allowed us to publically humilitate him after death...

castration or something would be good, but then again, who would want to or be willing to go near a dead, wrinkly nazi and grab his balls is beyond me.

How very Roman Inquisition of you... Of course; that means, in essence, you're no different than them.

Good grief!

I can't even believe what has been written here!

I heard about Tyndall's death last night and my reaction was "Oh dear, what a pity, never mind."

I first had dealing with him and his mobs when I was a member of the Anti Nazi League back in the late 70's/80's and have personally been on the recieving end of his and his supporter's violent retaliations.
For a while he kept his head down, then reinvented himself and the same National Front mob into what he thought was the more acceptable BNP.
It fooled none and the fight went on.

I have despised and hated people like him for all of my adult life and am really not sorry that the chapter can be ended on Tyndall's contribution.

BUT.....
To start a thread like this?
To discuss dancing on graves and the mutilation of corpses?

IF you lot are who I have spent my life fighting for, then why the hell did I really bother?

The jews themselves are the worst. They murdered some 30 mill. russians, 15 mill. ukrainians and between 10 and 14 million german civilians and POWs. Yes, the allies were run by jews as well (like Eisenhower), not just the Soviet Union.

If the Jews ran the Soviet Union, then why did organise drives against 'cosmopolitanism'?

I have developed an even greater hatred of socialism now. I can add necrophiliac to the list of insults I can use aganst you, as one of your members wanted to touch Tyndall's corpse up. When you've got a spare moment from kiddy fiddling no doubt.

Not all of you, but I assume that a large portion of the (anti-white) haters in here are themselves white.
Now that`s disgusting, and its the jewish bolsheviks that have brainwashed them into believing there`s no difference between the races (a biological impossibility) and that the white race has done more wrong than other races when in fact its the other way around.
Arabs took more than four times as many negroes as slaves, the whites bought slaves from other blacks, blacks took whites as slaves as well and so on.
The jews themselves are the worst. They murdered some 30 mill. russians, 15 mill. ukrainians and between 10 and 14 million german civilians and POWs. Yes, the allies were run by jews as well (like Eisenhower), not just the Soviet Union.
When the arabs colonised Europe and took countless whites as slaves they were oppresive, when we whites colonised the third world we gave them food, medicine, education, infrastructure and so on. The colonisation was a great enrichment to these primitive tribes. We build up their nation, then they tear it all down and come here to colonise our nations. The traitors that let them in must be put to justice.

God, how I hate the jewish mafia that runs this world.

And could you send me the propaganda leaflet you are reading this from?
I haven't read anything like this for some years now, good to know the 'argument ' hasn't changed.........

In my opinion the words a good nazi is an oxymoron... thats like saying: Dude you are so skinny-fat

In response to odins forgiven, the history we are taught is written by the victors, what the guy said may actually have happened but we might not have heard about it, heres the quick and clean version: Any and all people of the human race are corrupt unless proven otherwise by the way rcially pure norway, the arabs were far from primitive.

In my opinion the words a good nazi is an oxymoron... thats like saying: Dude you are so skinny-fat

But oxymorons do exist. There is such a thing as "jumbo-shrimp".

I have developed an even greater hatred of socialism now.

Assumption: all those who are not in support of BNP-like politics (which are themselves a blend of socialism and racially based nationalist ideology) are de facto socialists? I'm sorry, but that doesn't follow.

lol, I am a fisherman, I know what you mean but it isn't an oxymoron it is just a slightly larger shrimp with a foolish name

Not all of you, but I assume that a large portion of the (anti-white) haters in here are themselves white.
Now that`s disgusting, and its the jewish bolsheviks that have brainwashed them into believing there`s no difference between the races (a biological impossibility) and that the white race has done more wrong than other races when in fact its the other way around.
Arabs took more than four times as many negroes as slaves, the whites bought slaves from other blacks, blacks took whites as slaves as well and so on.
The jews themselves are the worst. They murdered some 30 mill. russians, 15 mill. ukrainians and between 10 and 14 million german civilians and POWs. Yes, the allies were run by jews as well (like Eisenhower), not just the Soviet Union.
When the arabs colonised Europe and took countless whites as slaves they were oppresive, when we whites colonised the third world we gave them food, medicine, education, infrastructure and so on. The colonisation was a great enrichment to these primitive tribes. We build up their nation, then they tear it all down and come here to colonise our nations. The traitors that let them in must be put to justice.

God, how I hate the jewish mafia that runs this world.

Don't feed the troll, people. Notice these are his only two posts ever.

In response to odins forgiven, the history we are taught is written by the victors, what the guy said may actually have happened but we might not have heard about it, heres the quick and clean version: Any and all people of the human race are corrupt unless proven otherwise

Being all old and ancient, I have gone way past school history and as I have said I am and have been politically active in this area for longer than most who post here have been on this earth.

I have read the propaganda of both sides and have researched the facts and believe me, no-one comes out clean.

Assumption: all those who are not in support of BNP-like politics (which are themselves a blend of socialism and racially based nationalist ideology) are de facto socialists? I'm sorry, but that doesn't follow.

I am a Conservative, not a BNP man. Anti-fascism has its roots in socialism, as it is a very violent organisation, therefore I describe anti-fascists as socialists.

Good grief!

I can't even believe what has been written here!

I heard about Tyndall's death last night and my reaction was "Oh dear, what a pity, never mind."

I first had dealing with him and his mobs when I was a member of the Anti Nazi League back in the late 70's/80's and have personally been on the recieving end of his and his supporter's violent retaliations.
For a while he kept his head down, then reinvented himself and the same National Front mob into what he thought was the more acceptable BNP.
It fooled none and the fight went on.

I have despised and hated people like him for all of my adult life and am really not sorry that the chapter can be ended on Tyndall's contribution.

BUT.....
To start a thread like this?
To discuss dancing on graves and the mutilation of corpses?

IF you lot are who I have spent my life fighting for, then why the hell did I really bother?


Just imagine him and his mob reading a similair story about a young black in london killed or something, their reaction would be worse and they probably would acctualy jump on his grave.

A death sucks, I never liked the guy anyway so im not gonna change now. And as for race being a subject I watched a programme on t.v and under our skin we all have a pure white colour that only dracula would get away with. There is NO difference just more lenient skin or more sun ?

I am a Conservative, not a BNP man. Anti-fascism has its roots in socialism, as it is a very violent organisation, therefore I describe anti-fascists as socialists.

So, would Churchill, for all his other faults, also be classed as a socialist by you then?

Doubtfully nobody ever will

Wow.
An entire thread devoted to hate.
I think Odins Forgiven's reaction is by far the most level-headed.
I don't agree with Nazism, fascism, racism, or anti-Semitism. But I also don't agree that a man's death is cause for celebration. Lots of people die every second. Let us celebrate their deaths as well. Whee.

I have developed an even greater hatred of socialism now. I can add necrophiliac to the list of insults I can use aganst you, as one of your members wanted to touch Tyndall's corpse up. When you've got a spare moment from kiddy fiddling no doubt.

No one said that. I suggested it, but then stated that I wouldn't know why anyone would want to do that. I could quote, but right now i can't be bothered. Next time make sure you read it properly.

For a left-winger, you sure are intolerant. You are preaching just as much hate as you accuse this man of preaching.
I hate people who deserve to be hated- racists, fascists, nazis, exploiters, imperialists, colonialists and I don't think these people should be given any chance to run our lives.
While some liberals might say "they have freedom of speech" etc. I think that's bollocks- we need to keep fascists off our streets before they can hoodwink any more people into joining them. The only way we can do this is through physical confrontation with them.

Bluestrips2']Just imagine him and his mob reading a similair story about a young black in london killed or something, their reaction would be worse and they probably would acctualy jump on his grave.

Supposition about what they 'probably' would do isn't go into help anyone, however I'll just point out here that Tyndall is being demonised on the basis of the choices he made and the activities he undertook, not on the basis of an accident of history such as country of birth or racial characteristics.

Having said that, I do find some of the more triumphalist postings in this thread somewhat distasteful.

Bluestrips2']Just imagine him and his mob reading a similair story about a young black in london killed or something, their reaction would be worse and they probably would acctualy jump on his grave.
?

What, a young black girl gets killed, so the BNP dance on 'his' grave. Nice one mate, proved your point their.

So, would Churchill, for all his other faults, also be classed as a socialist by you then??

Was he a member of todays anti-Fascist Leagues? Fighting Nazi Germany is not quite the same as beating people up because they have right wing views.

I hate people who deserve to be hated- racists, fascists, nazis, exploiters, imperialists, colonialists and I don't think these people should be given any chance to run our lives.
While some liberals might say "they have freedom of speech" etc. I think that's bollocks- we need to keep fascists off our streets before they can hoodwink any more people into joining them. The only way we can do this is through physical confrontation with them.

No doubt your the sort of person who doesn't mind Radical Muslims preaching on our streets, such as Abu Hamza, who thankfully has been locked up now. No doubt the Black Panthers violence was beneficial too?

This thread is stupid. Nazi's, this is a message for you. HE IS DEAD, GET OVER IT, IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, GO CRY ABOUT IT. WHINGING ON THIS THREAD ISNT GUNNA HELP. MORONS.

Was he a member of todays anti-Fascist Leagues? Fighting Nazi Germany is not quite the same as beating people up because they have right wing views.

No, obviously not, but in your earlier post you used the rather vague term 'anti-fascism', rather than specifying more contemporary groups like the ANL and AFA.

Wow.
An entire thread devoted to hate.
I think Odins Forgiven's reaction is by far the most level-headed.
I don't agree with Nazism, fascism, racism, or anti-Semitism. But I also don't agree that a man's death is cause for celebration. Lots of people die every second. Let us celebrate their deaths as well. Whee.


LOL :D

Do you know the mexicans celebrate death like christmas ?


What, a young black girl gets killed, so the BNP dance on 'his' grave. Nice one mate, proved your point their.



LoL I did proove my point didn't I, wait what was the point again before you took a fancy to it ??

Oh yeah they definately would do stuff like this, in their minds they get hate when they see different colour skin - HOW SIMPLE MINDED CAN SOMEONE GET, mind you they probably have family after family of generations who have done this for years agaisnt anyone who wasn't them, He's not from here HATE HIM ATTACK HIM, KILL HIS FAMILY ETC ..

It's HATE they can't control (useless minds), hate for the heck of it and allways aimed at a far out people.

WEIRD !!

Edit:- Im not pointing any fingers racism is a world problem - My english side of the family were racist and I told them were to shove it, really made me sick to think they wanted me to be like that it's so easily taught to children these days and its seen as un-cool in some kids eyes not to be racist.

No, obviously not, but in your earlier post you used the rather vague term 'anti-fascism', rather than specifying more contemporary groups like the ANL and AFA.

My apologies, it was rather vague, sorry.

No doubt your the sort of person who doesn't mind Radical Muslims preaching on our streets, such as Abu Hamza, who thankfully has been locked up now. No doubt the Black Panthers violence was beneficial too?
Their racism is a reaction to centuries of white imperialism and domination of other races. It is expected and can only truely be ended with integration and an end to capitalism.
1) I don't agree with what Abu Hamza says and I don't think he should be allowed to preach that intolerant shit. He's conning arabs the same way the BNP cons whites.
2) The Black Panthers violence? Sorry was that the violence when they force fed children a nutritious breakfast? Or taught people first aid with utmost force? Or helped junkies and alkies to kick the habit like the bastards they are?

Bluestrips2']
Oh yeah they definately would do stuff like this, in their minds they get hate when they see different colour skin - HOW SIMPLE MINDED CAN SOMEONE GET, mind you they probably have family after family of generations who have done this for years agaisnt anyone who wasn't them, He's not from here HATE HIM ATTACK HIM, KILL HIS FAMILY ETC ..

It's HATE they can't control (useless minds), hate for the heck of it and allways aimed at a far out people.

WEIRD !!

Its a natural response of any human\animal to have a negative reaction to change or something that is different. You seem to forget that between 1950 and 2005 the UK has been transformed from a nation that was 99.9% white, to a nation that is multicultural, not everyone is going to be supportive of that change, which has occurred within just two generations.

My apologies, it was rather vague, sorry.

No problem, I am certainly no friend of the far-right, but I also have extreme doubts about a lot of the contemporary avowedly anti-fascist groups myself: they are ridden with people trying to push their own peculiar agendas and have historically been oft-manipulated by the intelligence services for their own nefarious ends.

The former conservative dictator of Queensland (Australia) Joh Bjelke Petersen recently died. My, how we danced and danced, partied and laughed. I tell you, I must have downed 40 bottles of Victoria Bitter. I can't wait till Maggie dies so we can throw another party like that!

No problem, I am certainly no friend of the far-right, but I also have extreme doubts about a lot of the contemporary avowedly anti-fascist groups myself: they are ridden with people trying to push their own peculiar agendas and have historically been oft-manipulated by the intelligence services for their own nefarious ends.

Not to mention in the 70's they were invariably financed by the Soviet Union. I simply do see how the Anti-Fascist or Nazi Leagues do anything constructive, I would say that changes in education and television did more to change race relations, nothing to do with street battles that both sides would usually claim as successes.

Oswald Mosley fought bravely in the First World War. He led the British Union of Fascists in the 1930's and post WW2, only after he had tried both the Labour and Tory parties and found them to be totally useless in helping the working man. He gains my respect.

For those anti-fascists here, the working class has time and time again shown itself to be distrustful of socialists and communists. The working class in the UK is inherently conservative, thats why it gave such an overwhelmingly positive response to Encoh Powell, and again to Thatcher. The BNP support base is working class ex-Labour voters. I find it very interesting that white anti-fascists nearly always come from a comfortable middle-class family, who live in the very white suburbs.

Margaret Thatcher (and Enoch Powell, and Oswald Mosley for that matter) were strongly opposed by large numbers of the "UK working class". Mosley and his gang of laughable Fascist wannabees were routed at the Battle of Cable Street by the working-class inhabitants of London's East End, who saw Mosley for what he was: a puffed-up nincompoop with delusions of adequacy. Thatcher and her unpleasant fellow-travellers were roundly despised by the Scottish and Welsh working classes -- in fact, by pretty much everybody outside the bottom right-hand corner of England -- who voted against them in ever-increasing numbers throughout the 1980s. Thatcher's Tories never gained more than 40% of the votes cast in any election, and their 18 god-awful years of power were solely due to the blatantly undemocratic British electoral system -- much like New Labour's recent "landslides".

To date, the only British government which has come close to socialism is the immediate post-war Labour administration under Attlee -- elected by a genuine landslide, and ushering in, amongst other things, the National Health Service, and a huge improvement in the lives of, principally, the British working class. Indeed, the Attlee government's socialist achievements remained so enormously popular with the British public as a whole that not even Thatcher dared to meddle with them openly.

The BNP does draw a fraction of its tiny support from disaffected ex-Labour voters, as "New Labour" minces off to the centre-Right. A political vacuum will always suck in the trash. However, where any sort of alternative exists, the BNP's ability to pick up protest votes is precisely nil: see, for example, their pathetic showing at the most recent election in Glasgow, where they scuttled off with their tails between their legs after a series of miserable failures and lost deposits.

I hate people who deserve to be hated- racists, fascists, nazis, exploiters, imperialists, colonialists and I don't think these people should be given any chance to run our lives.
While some liberals might say "they have freedom of speech" etc. I think that's bollocks- we need to keep fascists off our streets before they can hoodwink any more people into joining them. The only way we can do this is through physical confrontation with them.

What you have just said is, "There is no difference between them and me. We both preach hatred and intolerance." At that's what I'm hearing. How very, very sad. :(

South-East Mora Tau, people like you should have been killed at birth ...

Not to mention in the 70's they were invariably financed by the Soviet Union. I simply do see how the Anti-Fascist or Nazi Leagues do anything constructive, I would say that changes in education and television did more to change race relations, nothing to do with street battles that both sides would usually claim as successes.

ROFLSO.......
You got proof to back that one up then?
And the Anti Nazi league of the time was certainly not just into violent demomstration.

What you have just said is, "There is no difference between them and me. We both preach hatred and intolerance." At that's what I'm hearing. How very, very sad. :(
They preach hatred against people who cannot change what they are. We say we should stop them. Theres the fucking difference

Margaret Thatcher (and Enoch Powell, and Oswald Mosley for that matter) were strongly opposed by large numbers of the "UK working class". Mosley and his gang of laughable Fascist wannabees were routed at the Battle of Cable Street by the working-class inhabitants of London's East End, who saw Mosley for what he was: a puffed-up nincompoop with delusions of adequacy. Thatcher and her unpleasant fellow-travellers were roundly despised by the Scottish and Welsh working classes -- in fact, by pretty much everybody outside the bottom right-hand corner of England -- who voted against them in ever-increasing numbers throughout the 1980s. Thatcher's Tories never gained more than 40% of the votes cast in any election, and their 18 god-awful years of power were solely due to the blatantly undemocratic British electoral system -- much like New Labour's recent "landslides". .

Although Mosley was blocked in the East End, it was largely by Communist outsiders, and local Jews, not by local white. In fact most of Mosleys strongest support came from the East End of London and south Essex, neither of which were middle class strongholds.

Yes Thathcer did badly amonsgt the working classes in Wales , Scotland and the North, but she did a lot better in the south-east and the midlands, and London. Working class Tory support increased to its highest levels ever at this under Thatcher, her failure to get above 43.9% of the vote was due to the fact that Middle class Tories were breaking of to join the Alliance. Powell was the voice of the working class, and opinion polls at the time of his Rivers of Blood speech showed that 75% of the total pop agreed with him. The working class, on issues such as the Death Penalty and immigration, and now Europe too, has always been more conservative inclined than the middle classes, its only on economic issues that the working class back Labour.




The BNP does draw a fraction of its tiny support from disaffected ex-Labour voters, as "New Labour" minces off to the centre-Right. A political vaccuum will always suck in the trash. However, where any sort of alternative exists, the BNP's ability to pick up protest votes is precisely nil: see, for example, their pathetic showing at the most recent election in Glasgow, where they scuttled off with their tails between their legs after a series of miserable failures and lost deposits.

However horrifying they took 800,000 votes at the last Euro elections. Most of its votes come from very working class areas, such as Burnley and the north west, and the East End of London, (Barking and Dagenham at the moment).

In the by election at Cheadle Labour failed to save their deposit, and at the last general lection they took th lowest ever share of the vote for a winning party, does that make them a usless pile of failure as well?

Its a natural response of any human\animal to have a negative reaction to change or something that is different. You seem to forget that between 1950 and 2005 the UK has been transformed from a nation that was 99.9% white, to a nation that is multicultural, not everyone is going to be supportive of that change, which has occurred within just two generations.


I totally doubt it at all..

It's a nataural FEAR of change that causes the HATE, I don't know anyone who is actually concerned of skin colour changing in Britain just some SIMPLE MINDED BAFFOONS who can't understand something so simple as skin colour, as for generations i'm talking about way back I bet his family hated any colour of skin who wasn't them, they are just pure crap people in the end.

SCARED OF SKIN COLOUR LOL - How HARD of them.

DEFEND THE ISLAND LooL

Bluestrips2']I totally doubt it at all..

It's a nataural FEAR of change that causes the HATE, I don't know anyone who is actually concerned of skin colour changing in Britain just some SIMPLE MINDED BAFFOONS who can't understand something so simple as skin colour, as for generations i'm talking about way back I bet his family hated any colour of skin who wasn't them, they are just pure crap people in the end.

SCARED OF SKIN COLOUR LOL - How HARD of them.

DEFEND THE ISLAND LooL

I doubt they are scared of skin, what they fear is a total loss of their culture and all their previous certainties in life, already our history has been trashed by liberals, now anyone who doesn't totally love multi-culti Britain 100% is called a racist.

Defend the island, I hope you would have against Hitler and the Kaiser, becoz I know I would have stood up and fought.

They preach hatred against people who cannot change what they are. We say we should stop them. Theres the fucking difference

No, preaching hatred and intolerance is the same; the only difference is in your perceived reason for doing it. You are cut from the same die as those you oppose.

ROFLSO.......
You got proof to back that one up then?
And the Anti Nazi league of the time was certainly not just into violent demomstration.

I thought that was well known, similiar to how the USSR helped the IRA get arms.

What does ROFLSO actually mean?

No, preaching hatred and intolerance is the same; the only difference is in your perceived reason for doing it. You are cut from the same die as those you oppose.
Thats ridiculous, thats actually ridiculous. There is a difference between judging somebody based on their actions and beliefs and judging somebody because of their race or nationality.

...similiar to how the USSR helped the IRA get arms.

The role of Libya is well known, but the USSR?

I doubt they are scared of skin, what they fear is a total loss of their culture and all their previous certainties in life, already our history has been trashed by liberals, now anyone who doesn't totally love multi-culti Britain 100% is called a racist.

Defend the island, I hope you would have against Hitler and the Kaiser, becoz I know I would have stood up and fought.


Well why didnt they stop the romans and accepted a german monarch ??

Sorry had to be said LOL

They lost all respect then.

It is pure simple hate maybe cause they lost it way back, I don't know but they need to realise the FACTS of the island before they try and defend it now.

I would of kicked hitlers little gay nazi ass all the way back like our grandfathers done in style I may add !! :mp5:

To even think it's caused by a culture thing is stupid once again they look over the real facts of the island and for what ?

Too HATE the people they FEAR, or they can't control their emotions ?

Before i say anything else i just want to make it clear that i dont support the BNP simply because i am a great fan of democracy.

howver i think that quite frankly the people who are glad he is dead are completely devoid of any moral values. All this man did was spend his life serving trying to protect our heritage from becoming some disgusting liberal, multicultural society with no values or knowledge of British history and culture. Is that such a crime? The only reason for hating him is that you are not British. If more people stood up for what they believed in then violent crime wouldnt be so high.

On a side note i'd just like to say that the BNP do not in anyway deny the holocaust and they are fascists not Nazis-there is a difference just like Stalin's Russia was Stalinist not COmmunist or modern Britain is Blairist not true Labourist.

I thought that was well known, similiar to how the USSR helped the IRA get arms.

What does ROFLSO actually mean?

Oh yeah of course, the Russians, not the Americans of course, they didn't have anything to do with funding the IRA with their Pro IRA fund raising Gala's and St Patric day donations......

How silly of me it was always the Russians.

(ROFLSO is roles on floor laughing socks off)

What you have just said is, "There is no difference between them and me. We both preach hatred and intolerance." At that's what I'm hearing. How very, very sad. :(

Ahem: Discriminating against people because of something they are is illegal, and goes by many names: racism, sexism and so on. Discriminating against people because of something they have done is entirely different, and, well, if we didn't do such a thing, we'd not punish criminals or reward those who do good.

What "they" do is the former: discriminating against people because of the colour of their skin, their heritage and so on.

What "he" is doing is the latter: discriminating against people because of their ideologies, which are not something one "just has" like one "just has" black skin; they are something that can be changed, and, if evil, are the person's responsibility to change.

howver i think that quite frankly the people who are glad he is dead are completely devoid of any moral values.

True. Well, not all moral values; they're just being stupid, is all.

All this man did was spend his life serving trying to protect our heritage from becoming some disgusting liberal, multicultural society with no values or knowledge of British history and culture. Is that such a crime?

When it involves preaching violence and discrimination against people, yes.

The only reason for hating him is that you are not British.

Or that you hate people who preach violence and discrimination against people. I'm British about as far back as anyone can be defined as British, and I strongly dislike him and what he stood for. Not that I'm glad he's dead; I wish, indeed, that he had been tried and punished while he was still alive.

Although Mosley was blocked in the East End, it was largely by Communist outsiders, and local Jews, not by local white. In fact most of Mosleys strongest support came from the East End of London and south Essex, neither of which were middle class strongholds.

Sure, sure. Communist outsiders, right, unlike Mosley's salt-of-the-earth flat-capped Cockney rough diamonds. Uh-huh. And, of course, the "local Jews" couldn't be working-class, good heavens no.

Yes Thathcer did badly amonsgt the working classes in Wales , Scotland and the North, but she did a lot better in the south-east and the midlands, and London.

Or, in other words, the bottom right-hand corner of England. The bit that got richer at the expense of everyone else (generally speaking -- there are deeply miserable bits in the SE as well. Planet Thanet comes to mind.) The people that Thatcher bought, in other words.

However horrifying they took 800,000 votes at the last Euro elections. Most of its votes come from very working class areas, such as Burnley and the north west, and the East End of London, (Barking and Dagenham at the moment).

Like I say, a political vacuum will always suck in the trash. If the electorate are also cripplingly poor and desperate, it can make fertile soil for weeds like the BNP. But -- as was shown at the various Glasgow ballots at the last General Election -- if viable alternative parties exist then the BNP usually trail in somewhere along with the Raving Loonies and Operation Christian Vote.

In the by election at Cheadle Labour failed to save their deposit, and at the last general lection they took th lowest ever share of the vote for a winning party, does that make them a usless pile of failure as well?

A by-election is a very different animal from a General Election. The Lib Dems once came fifth in Hamilton to a candidate standing on a Save The Hamilton Accies ticket. Big fat hairy deal. Regardless, I agree with you that New Labour are a useless failure.

Oh, and back to topic: I'm glad the fucker's dead.

howver i think that quite frankly the people who are glad he is dead are completely devoid of any moral values.

Meh.

All this man did was spend his life serving trying to protect our heritage from becoming some disgusting liberal, multicultural society with no values or knowledge of British history and culture.

You say that like heritage is something unchanging and eternal.

How much do you know about British history?

AFAIK, this man has done nothing to extend our knowledge of Britain's history. Personally, I'd rather listen to a historian than some bitter man with a chip on his shoulder.

Is that such a crime?

"All I did was try to be rich" not wrong in itself, but if I went about it killing people and agitating people to attack other people, then you might think different.

The only reason for hating him is that you are not British.

So I'm now not British. No skin off my nose

Though that is a stupid thing to say, it presumes everyone has the same idea of Britain as you do.

If more people stood up for what they believed in then violent crime wouldnt be so high.

Do you want me to stand up for what I believe in?

"To the barricades comrades, we'll show those poxy nobles what for!"

Oh yeah of course, the Russians, not the Americans of course, they didn't have anything to do with funding the IRA with their Pro IRA fund raising Gala's and St Patric day donations......

How silly of me it was always the Russians.

(ROFLSO is roles on floor laughing socks off)

" Fund the IRA for ST.Patricks day"

Is what I shouted in Edinburgh (scotlands capitol city) on the day, I was nearly killed by some absoloute IDIOT who was against england and thought the IRA were cool ( Scotland has its IDIOTS as well) , I of course didn't stop there I kept singing and shouting it untill he came up and threatened me even then I stared at him and shouted it, and told him exactly what I thought of the IRA 'total bollocks'.

He claimed I couldn't say that so I said it again, he was an example of IDIOTS with no brain for thought. Doing what their daddy told them was right or what someone said to them at school.

I HATE THE IRA WITH A PASSION, im not protestant I just HATE them for what they are like all racist terrorists knobs today.

Its only a small handfull of them i've met in Scotland and I wasn't scared to open my mouth I don't really care what they have to say because it's the same old stuff.

DOWN WITH *whoever* IDIOTS get a grip buy a playstation or something.

Oops sorry did I let the HATE out.

Carry on ....

Ahem: Discriminating against people because of something they are is illegal, and goes by many names: racism, sexism and so on. Discriminating against people because of something they have done is entirely different, and, well, if we didn't do such a thing, we'd not punish criminals or reward those who do good.

What "they" do is the former: discriminating against people because of the colour of their skin, their heritage and so on.

What "he" is doing is the latter: discriminating against people because of their ideologies, which are not something one "just has" like one "just has" black skin; they are something that can be changed, and, if evil, are the person's responsibility to change.

I was talking about his preaching hatred and intolerance of another person’s ideas. Preaching hatred is preaching hatred and by preaching hatred and intolerance, "he" is not a bit different from "they."

I was not talking about anyone's reasons for discriminating against someone but seeing as it has come up; doesn't the left also pride itself on the "right" of a person to express his/her ideas? Doesn't the left pride itself on being anti-discriminatory, not hating someone for their ideas, acceptance of various points of view even if they do not accept the ideology?

Many of the posts here by liberals, or leftists, or whatever they want to call themselves are the antithesis of the liberal/left philosophy.

Bluestrips2']" Fund the IRA for ST.Patricks day"

Is what I shouted in Edinburgh (scotlands capitol city) on the day, I was nearly killed by some absoloute IDIOT who was against england and thought the IRA were cool ( Scotland has its IDIOTS as well) , I of course didn't stop there I kept singing and shouting it untill he came up and threatened me even then I stared at him and shouted it, and told him exactly what I thought of the IRA 'total bollocks'.

He claimed I couldn't say that so I said it again, he was an example of IDIOTS with no brain for thought. Doing what their daddy told them was right or what someone said to them at school.

I HATE THE IRA WITH A PASSION, im not protestant I just HATE them for what they are like all racist terrorists knobs today.

Its only a small handfull of them i've met in Scotland and I wasn't scared to open my mouth I don't really care what they have to say because it's the same old stuff.

DOWN WITH *whoever* IDIOTS get a grip buy a playstation or something.

Oops sorry did I let the HATE out.

Carry on ....

And the point to this post is?
Are you saying that because you were in Scotland and had a disagreement with someone about the IRA, that means that the Americans did/do not support them and it was the Russians?
You've lost me........

And the point to this post is?
Are you saying that because you were in Scotland and had a disagreement with someone about the IRA, that means that the Americans did/do not support them and it was the Russians?
You've lost me........


( if you read it has a point or two regarding my earlier posts )
Its a story about the BAFFOONS with no mind who can't control their HATE, an example of what I said earlier and I wanted to post my story up.

As for IRA funding USA did have a lot to do with it, im very unclear about the russians having anything to do with it though ?

Never heard that one before.

Edit:- The USA didnt mean to give them the cash it was an easy ride for them (IRA)with St.Patricks day standing with collection tins with a clover on it. USA are generous and the nasty Terrorists took advantage.

Are you saying that because you were in Scotland and had a disagreement with someone about the IRA, that means that the Americans did/do not support them and it was the Russians?
You've lost me........

It was English Privateers that claimed the Soviet Union directly funded the IRA, not Bluestrips2.

It was English Privateers that claimed the Soviet Union directly funded the IRA, not Bluestrips2.

Yep sorry, was confused becasue you used my posting to him in your posting.

While I would never be glad that anyone was dead I am glad that he is no longer preaching his foul hate. I don't hate fascists, I hate facism. This is because a facist can see the error of their ways but the viewpoint is unforgiveable.

Oh, and while I support those attacking the BNP can I remind them that the National Front is even closer to Nazism, never dismiss the threat they pose.

Oh, and while I support those attacking the BNP can I remind them that the National Front is even closer to Nazism, never dismiss the threat they pose.

Seconded.

If the Jews ran the Soviet Union, then why did organise drives against 'cosmopolitanism'?

In the high politics of Russia after 1917 about 80% were jews. Out of these 366 jews about 300 were AMERICAN jews. That`s right: they were capitalists in the US and commies when they saw the oppurtunity rise.

The only difference between capitalism and communism is that in a commie nation the state takes all the profit. You have to trust the gouverment to give the money back to the working class, but why should they be more trustworthy than the owner of a private factory? In a free or semi-free market, at least the working man can go work for someone else.
I`m not a capitalist and therefor not a communist? How can this be, well Vidkun Quisling put it well when he refered to communism as "state-capitalism".

The state not only own EVERYTHING of material value, but elections are forbidden, freedom of speech goes right out the window. Fair trial? Not likely and so on.


To get back to your question: The jews want the white race to perish. Why? They want to control our lands and our resources. To make sure another Hitler doesn`t rise to power and foil their plans they must make sure that no nation on earth has a white majority.
When jewish commies in Soviet waged war with capitalist commies in the US it was no problem, because the jews earned a lot of $$$ by selling weapons to the gouverment. The only ones who died were goyims (non-jews), so why care, right?

Someone mentioned "international working-class". What`s so international about it? I believe a white european worker has more in common with a middle class white man than with a yellow or black proletar.

Jack London once walked around a socialist convention, he was himself a socialist. Then he saw a booth with a sign saying "workers of the world unite". He then ran to the booth, slammed his fist in the table as hard as he could and screamed "yes, I am a socialist, but god dammit, I`m first and foremost a WHITE MAN!"
London was one of the leading forces behind the mass deportations of yellow workers in Canda. Why were there many yellow workers in Canada in Londons time? Because the capitalists wanted cheap labor.
When you are fighting nationalists you are helping your self proclaimed enemy!

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To get back to your question: The jews want the white race to perish. Why? They want to control our lands and our resources. To make sure another Hitler doesn`t rise to power and foil their plans they must make sure that no nation on earth has a white majority.
Ooh, I'll have to tell that to all the Jews I meet, because I don't think they've noticed yet. Maybe they didn't get the "Destroy the White Race!" memo?
Thanks, though, I'm sure they'll all be happy to hear the news.
:)

Can i just remind people that no matter what your political views you should be able to voice them under something called free speech no matter how liberal or extremist they are.

Even if you do not agree with them, you should listen to them and then form a reasonable argument as to why you disagree with that person's argument.

Now the BNP...now i am going to go out on a limb here..some of the policies i agree with to a point. This countries immigration is out of control and we need to be stronger on it, we are not rich enough to support the world (everyone leaves the US to do that lol!) so why on earth do we need to support the worlds immigrants that come here illegally and then sponge of the state because they don't have any skills and can't speak English!

These people should be deported! They are worthless to British society, whats the point in having people that just take and don't give nething to the economy. I do not mind if immigrants come here and are skilled and get a job and integrate with British culture that is fine, those that don't or come here illegally should be deported, immediatly.

As for their other policies...not really and i am only agreeing with the immigration one in part.

As for those people that want to go grave dancing, you are just as extreme in your views as he was. Tbh, i think it is good that we have the full spectrum of views in our society as that means that we are living in a free society, and if we did not the world would be a very boring place.

Anyone who has the courage to be non PC is alright in my books! Respect.

Talking is different to actually doing.

Now, if you want to argue with me, fine, but please make sure it is logical and a coherant argument, i am fed up with ill thought out arguments that are just character bashing.

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Ooh, I'll have to tell that to all the Jews I meet, because I don't think they've noticed yet. Maybe they didn't get the "Destroy the White Race!" memo?
Thanks, though, I'm sure they'll all be happy to hear the news.
:)

I think that the jewish mafia that runs this world constitutes about 10.000 - 20.000 jews.
They are pushing for "multi-culturalism" in all white nations. They bombed Serbia according to jew Wesley Clark because "Serbia rejects multiculturalism which is the future for Europe".

You should also notice how jewish multi-billion organisations are fanatically conserned with "multi-culturalism" at all cost. No economical collapse is too big, no amount of murdered, raped and robbed white victims is too big, race-mixing must be caused upon the white race no matter what.

Notice how the 3000 biggest news papers in the US are owned by jews and how they push their race-mixing agenda as hard as they can. With the exception of Fox all the TV-channels in the US are owned by jews and they too are pushing for a bastardisation of the entire white race.

How do they get the money for all this? By extorting billions and billions of dollars from the US gouverment, from the german gouverment and from major private corperations. How? By demanding "reparations" for the holohoax.
The jews tried to trick the world into believing 6 mill jews died during the first world war, but no one bought the lie. So they were better prepared and have now fooled the world. They can now just hint that a major company such as the IBM was involved in the sacred, religious "Holocaust" (with a capital "H") and IBM will throw money at them so that they won`t be branded as "haters" or such.
If you don`t believe me you can go here:
http://vho.org/dl/ENG.html
and download books proving the holocaust = holohoax and a book called "the Holocaust Industry" by the jew Norman Finkelstein. This book proves how a small amount of jews have become disgunstingly rich by demanding "reparations" for the "holocaust" and putting all the money in their own pocket.

You don`t need more than 100 jews to lose your nation to Zion. Those 100 jews will make a couple of phone calls to Israel. Israel will then borrow $ 50 billion from wealthy jews and these 100 jews will buy up all the mass media in that particular nation. The 90 jews that now control the mind of the public through their control over the media will demand that the "liberal love party" be given at least 60% of the votes and use the media as a propaganda tool for that party. The party will then have a non-jewish president to give the impression that the nation is still being gouverned by the natives while having 10 jewish ministers telling the president what he can and cannot do.

To get back to your question: The jews want the white race to perish. Why? They want to control our lands and our resources.

Huh? Did you misunderstand the question? 'Cosmopolitanism' was used as shorthand for 'Jews' with reference to the purges against them that were carried out in the USSR.

I was asking If the Jews ran the Soviet Union, then why did organise purges against the Jews?

Can i just remind people that no matter what your political views you should be able to voice them under something called free speech no matter how liberal or extremist they are.

Even if you do not agree with them, you should listen to them and then form a reasonable argument as to why you disagree with that person's argument.

Now the BNP...now i am going to go out on a limb here..some of the policies i agree with to a point. This countries immigration is out of control and we need to be stronger on it, we are not rich enough to support the world (everyone leaves the US to do that lol!) so why on earth do we need to support the worlds immigrants that come here illegally and then sponge of the state because they don't have any skills and can't speak English!

These people should be deported! They are worthless to British society, whats the point in having people that just take and don't give nething to the economy. I do not mind if immigrants come here and are skilled and get a job and integrate with British culture that is fine, those that don't or come here illegally should be deported, immediatly.

As for their other policies...not really and i am only agreeing with the immigration one in part.

As for those people that want to go grave dancing, you are just as extreme in your views as he was. Tbh, i think it is good that we have the full spectrum of views in our society as that means that we are living in a free society, and if we did not the world would be a very boring place.

Anyone who has the courage to be non PC is alright in my books! Respect.

Talking is different to actually doing.

Now, if you want to argue with me, fine, but please make sure it is logical and a coherant argument, i am fed up with ill thought out arguments that are just character bashing.


Why are most of these people fleeing the country they lived in ??

Its CRAP and they wont last long with all the damn bombs etc .. If i was there I wouldn't leave I would stand and fight to the death. If these guys don't have courage or value their life more than personal freedom then fair enough, but we shouldn't turn them down or send them back to certain death, maybe a british police training camp - train them up and send them back, basically giving them the chance to change what they are running from.

Yes I totally agree immagration is getting bad, they get more money than my friend who has a kid on the way with his girl - SHOCKING ! It's the government not them.

it's a trick. There are no circumstances that make Nazis good.

Huh? Did you misunderstand the question? 'Cosmopolitanism' was used as shorthand for 'Jews' with reference to the purges against them that were carried out in the USSR.

I was asking If the Jews ran the Soviet Union, then why did organise purges against the Jews?

OK. I thought you meant against the jews in the the UK and USA.
Well, first there was the battle between Stalin and Trotsky.
Trotsky himself was a jew, and I believe Stalin was adopted by jews. What I know for sure is that both fractions were jewish and that Stalin was mearly a figure-head.
This was not a "purge", but a battle between two opposing jewish fractions.

We in the west are being told that Stalin turned "paranoid" after WWII.
True, Stalin was obsessed with finding people scheming before the outbreak of the war, but then again the bolsheviks only got and attained power through ruthless slaugther, so it made sense for him to solidify that power with brutal force.
After WWII Stalin found out that the jews were the ones who actually controlled everything and he started removing a lot of them.
It might be that he just removed people he didn`t trust and that a lot of them happened to be jews. As I said before 80% of the powerholders were in fact not russian at all, but jews.
Stalin convienantly died after these purges leaving a large portion of jews in power.

So in short: The jews fought between themselves, and the paranoid Stalin ended up being a loose cannon and then suddenly died.
A bit like the Watergate scandale in the US (the guy who brought the story to the media was a jew, the paper that ran it was, like all others in the US, owned by jews).

it's a trick. There are no circumstances that make Nazis good.

Sure, there are plenty.
If jews get too much control over non-jewish countries, we need to retake power. White nations = White power!

Another circumstance that makes national socialism a great idea is when the existance of the folk is threatened by immigration.

If a faulty system such as parlamentarism or communism has seized power then the Führer-principle should be applied. It`s way more effective and also more democratic than the other poorly planned ideologies.

Sure, there are plenty.
If jews get too much control over non-jewish countries, we need to retake power. White nations = White power!
Well, finally a nazi being honest. You don't want "equal rights for white people" you want utter control. I honestly couldn't think of a fate worse than being controlled by your kind.

If a faulty system such as parlamentarism or communism has seized power then the Führer-principle should be applied. It`s way more effective and also more democratic than the other poorly planned ideologies.

Effective? Oh sure, it worked out so well for Germany last time anybody tried it...

http://www.churchill-society-london.org.uk/Berlin.jpg

I honestly couldn't think of a fate worse than being controlled by your kind.
Query: By 'your kind', do you mean all white people, or white supremacists?

Query: By 'your kind', do you mean all white people, or white supremacists?
oh hell no, white supremacists. I have no problem with white people, from your (limited) acquaintance with me, do I seem like a racist to you?:eek:

If jews get too much control over non-jewish countries, we need to retake power. White nations = White power!
Farking Hell!!!
Is that sorry little cavetroll serious?

from your (limited) acquaintance with me, do I seem like a racist to you?:eek:
No, that's why I asked, because I for some reason read the comment as implying racism, and that didn't seem like something you would generally do.

Sure, there are plenty.
If jews get too much control over non-jewish countries, we need to retake power. White nations = White power!

Another circumstance that makes national socialism a great idea is when the existance of the folk is threatened by immigration.

If a faulty system such as parlamentarism or communism has seized power then the Führer-principle should be applied. It`s way more effective and also more democratic than the other poorly planned ideologies.


WHITE trash these days is beyond a joke :headbang:

Bluestrips2']WHITE trash these days is beyond a joke :headbang:
That reminds me...
In the last few days of high school, I had to catch a school bus. There I noticed a younger kid, about 13 or so, who had drawn a swastika on his hand and was showing it to all his little friends (That was here in Australia).
As usual, my alarm bells started ringing and when we got out of the bus, I walked up to that kid and asked him what that was about.
He explained to me that that was a swastika, and that the Nazis had that, and he started telling me about a Jewish conspiracy. He finished by telling me proudly that he remembered all the names of the death camps.
About 5 seconds later he was on the ground, and I decked the poor guy. Not for long, but enough to make him bleed. I'm not proud of it, but I saw that he wasn't drawing anything on his hand anymore...

Freedom of Speech has its' limits.

That reminds me...

Regardless of the exact nature of the question, I'm pretty darn sure that beating up children is not the answer.

Regardless of the exact nature of the question, I'm pretty darn sure that beating up children is not the answer.
I know. It wasn't the only things he said to me, but nonetheless, I am a bit older and maybe a bit wiser now.
But at my school fights were pretty common, and although I usually never got involved in them, that just blew my fuse.
And if he decided that being a Nazi wasn't such a good idea afterall, then I'd like to think I changed something for the better*.

Oh, and I had a number of my friends beaten up by actual Skinheads. Not a little, but with 4 weeks in a hospital.

PS: The question was "the only good Nazi..." and then a story about a dead BNP leader followed. Maybe the kid should be glad.... :D

* = EDIT

Say what you will about all these fringe element nazis, but national socialism is as legitimate a governing system as any other.

That reminds me...
In the last few days of high school, I had to catch a school bus. There I noticed a younger kid, about 13 or so, who had drawn a swastika on his hand and was showing it to all his little friends (That was here in Australia).
As usual, my alarm bells started ringing and when we got out of the bus, I walked up to that kid and asked him what that was about.
He explained to me that that was a swastika, and that the Nazis had that, and he started telling me about a Jewish conspiracy. He finished by telling me proudly that he remembered all the names of the death camps.
About 5 seconds later he was on the ground, and I decked the poor guy. Not for long, but enough to make him bleed. I'm not proud of it, but I saw that he wasn't drawing anything on his hand anymore...

Freedom of Speech has its' limits.


Too damn right mate.

This guy was kicking about my local town with boots and braces drawing swastikas every where so I drew over them his friend was like " wait till I tell him" he was 10 years older than me and I squared right up to him when he asked me what I was doing - I told him I hate nazi's and any usless trash like it, he attempted to punch me and I laid him out and quickly jumped out the bus stop's broken window to escape it was brilliant he stopped wearing them because I had respect in the area and my pals would back me up all the way.

( they don't if I cause the trouble, all i done was get my point across )

OK. I thought you meant against the jews in the the UK and USA.
Well, first there was the battle between Stalin and Trotsky.
Trotsky himself was a jew, and I believe Stalin was adopted by jews. What I know for sure is that both fractions were jewish and that Stalin was mearly a figure-head.
This was not a "purge", but a battle between two opposing jewish fractions.

We in the west are being told that Stalin turned "paranoid" after WWII.
True, Stalin was obsessed with finding people scheming before the outbreak of the war, but then again the bolsheviks only got and attained power through ruthless slaugther, so it made sense for him to solidify that power with brutal force.
After WWII Stalin found out that the jews were the ones who actually controlled everything and he started removing a lot of them.
It might be that he just removed people he didn`t trust and that a lot of them happened to be jews. As I said before 80% of the powerholders were in fact not russian at all, but jews.
Stalin convienantly died after these purges leaving a large portion of jews in power.

So in short: The jews fought between themselves, and the paranoid Stalin ended up being a loose cannon and then suddenly died.
A bit like the Watergate scandale in the US (the guy who brought the story to the media was a jew, the paper that ran it was, like all others in the US, owned by jews).

Dude, you are hilarious. Will you do my cousin's 21st birthday? We're Arabs and our partners are ethnic Jews.

The only good Nazi is a reeducated Nazi in my eyes. (Though I doubt it's possible)

After the war, many Nazis were de-nazified. Even decorated SS men underwent such processes successfully. Oskar Schindler and a small number of other Nazis (even some Heer officers) that managed to help save some Jews were certainly 'good Nazis' in historical opinion. Not all Nazis were fanatical, many citizens under dictatorships join the governing party to get a better life.