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If the USA invaded France tomorrow, do you suppose anyone would come to France's aid............again?
If you think somebody would, who would it be and why?

Jokingly: Everyone would instead help the U.S. invade

Seriously: What the hell?

hmmm lets see...everybody in europe would come to their aid. France may be unpopular in the US but they're still Europeans....

I have the feeling no one would help them. The only nation stupid enough to help them is the U.S.

lol i think europe would help them - after all if americas invaded France then they're hardly going to shirk from invading other countries in europe. Best to stop them before they get too far into Europe. In the end self interest would be the motivater rather than a genuine desire to help France

In addition with the EU and everything they may feel obligated to. Do unto others etc etc

hmmm lets see...everybody in europe would come to their aid. France may be unpopular in the US but they're still Europeans....

Unpopular??????
Hated is more accurate.

Unpopular??????
Hated is more accurate.

lol well dont get me started on that.


I dont understand it at all - its not like they needed their support, theyre big boys - broad shoulders - they could have done it themselves

Attack France tomorrow? Why?

Unpopular??????
Hated is more accurate.

Maybe they're hated in your opinion, but your mind also came up with the ridiculous notion of them being invaded by us.......

If the USA invaded France tomorrow, do you suppose anyone would come to France's aid............again?
If you think somebody would, who would it be and why?
The Russians and the Chinese might, though Chinese intervention would depend on whether the EU arms Embargo is lifted.

Maybe they're hated in your opinion, but your mind also came up with the ridiculous notion of them being invaded by us.......

.......it's called a hypothetical situation, in case you didn't recognize it.

Attack France tomorrow? Why?


Why not? :p

If us invided France...
Us will be a great parking after suffer Nuclear Counter Strike.
When do you invided France? :p

.......it's called a hypothetical situation, in case you didn't recognize it.


lol well its also stupid (if somewhat plausible)

Why not? :p
They don't have any oil?

Probably Germany, Russia and other EU members who were opposed to the War in Iraq. England might withdraw its support in Iraq and from the US and likely remain neutral because both France and the USA are its allies. Quebec would also - oh wait, you said countries, right?

lol well its also stupid (if somewhat plausible)


Thank you..... :D

They don't have any oil?

But they have wine!

Probably Germany, Russia and other EU members who were opposed to the War in Iraq. England might withdraw its support in Iraq and from the US and likely remain neutral because both France and the USA are its allies. Quebec would also - oh wait, you said countries, right?


Continuing in that vein, Scottish people would grab their claymores and rush into the battle, ululating wildly and shaking their kilts

lol well its also stupid (if somewhat plausible)

lol Do you post something on all stupid threads, or just this one, then? lol

Why not? :p
Let's see. Chirac will ask Raël for help, Raël will get in touch with Zeta Reticuli system, and the Greys will invade the US and disarm it. Deterrence, y'know... :p

lol Do you post something on all stupid threads, or just this one, then? lol


lol i prefer the stupidness, its more fun

If the USA invaded France tomorrow, do you suppose anyone would come to France's aid............again?
If you think somebody would, who would it be and why?

Yes

Pretty much the rest of the world

Because they would jump on the occasion to annihilate your country and is warmonger attitude and pop sub-culture

If the USA invaded France tomorrow, do you suppose anyone would come to France's aid............again?
If you think somebody would, who would it be and why?

Should an American President be so stupid, French speaking Africa, Germany, Italy and Russia, probably China - for her benifit rather than out of any alliance with the French.

America would also have to tripple the security at the Canadian border.

Even if you forget that an attack on France is an attack on 1) the EU, 2) the Entente Cordial 3) Alliance Francais 4) Confederation Republic Francais and NATO, it would require the entire mass of the US's fighting capability to hold Metropolitan France, hunt down the INDEPENDANT French Nuclear naval capabilities and destroy French Geana without pissing off the rest of South America.

The very notion of France being attacked directly by a rational government is irrational. As for a proxy conflict between allies of the US and allies of France, that happens a lot, and sometimes you win and sometimes you loss.

Yes

Pretty much the rest of the world

Because they would jump on the occasion to annihilate your country and is warmonger attitude and pop sub-culture

......Even Canada, those peace loving fools??

......Even Canada, those peace loving fools??

lol especially canada - i have a lot of faith in them

And whats wrong with loving peace? Peace is good (if hard to sustain)

lol especially canada - i have a lot of faith in them
Why is that?

I don't know, I just think they're cool. Plus everyone rags on them, gotta love an underdog

Plus maple candy is good

IIRC they have a similar guns/capita rate to the US. Twin that with relatively insecure borders...

IIRC?

And in any case its not what you got its what you do with it i suppose...

......Even Canada, those peace loving fools??
Even Canada.

Might I remind you that those peace loving fools jumped into WW1 and WW2 from day 1 while some people wondered what was in it for them. And I'd like also to mention the numerious NATO and UN mission where those peace loving fools have served alongside it's bigger (military speaking) brothers.

Just for the fun...

US declar un-provoque war against France.

Problem : European contry will enter in war, and attack us army in Europe.

=> US can't attack without attacking Europen AND all Nato member's.
If US win this part... The counter-strike (England and France have the nuclear power and nuclear submarines) are comming. It means, US must destruct submarines before there strike.

If US destruct submarines, well... you know Vietnam? Think it will be the Hell in comparaison.

You say France are "hated"... Just a question : And USA ? ("Called somtimes the "United States of Agression").

So.. yes, it's stupid to thi,nk about this.

Next question : What the sexe of Angel? Ho, Comme on! Go to you Risk game, play to civilization, play RP on NationStates... But forget this (invided France... And Bush become Cesar of the Earth? :rolleyes: ;) )

If America attacked france tomorrow, it would be great for british-american relations. I think all the people in britain who currently hate America would have to say, "yes, I hate the fact that America is more powerful than we are and that they have more nukes, but anyone who kicks the crap out of the french is a friend of mine"

In fact, the rest of non-french europe would join in the fight against the french, and in the end the destruction of france would bring the whole world closer together.

So, American attacking France would be a good thing.

The end.

IIRC?
If I Recall Correctly

And in any case its not what you got its what you do with it i suppose...
We hunt wild animals like the majestic moose

IIRC=If I Recall Correctly.

IIRC?

And in any case its not what you got its what you do with it i suppose...

Are you still talking about war??????

Good point but I suppose I could make the point that they might have felt obligated to Britain in the world wars - especially after the first world war when everyone was obligated to Britain ;)

If America attacked france tomorrow, it would be great for british-american relations. I think all the people in britain who currently hate America would have to say, "yes, I hate the fact that America is more powerful than we are and that they have more nukes, but anyone who kicks the crap out of the french is a friend of mine"

In fact, the rest of non-french europe would join in the fight against the french, and in the end the destruction of france would bring the whole world closer together.

So, American attacking France would be a good thing.

The end.
Which is probably why Chirac, Schröder and Putin are such good buddies.

Are you still talking about war??????


lol i was referring to the last post about the guns/capita ratio in canada being comparable to the US's

Being British, this is very hard for me to say, but please, just leave the bloody French alone. No, I don't like them either, but that's because of centuries of European rivalry,it's inbuilt to my culture, but I certainly don't hate them, and they are our neighbours.
Honestly this isn't fair at all, for a country that advocates freedom above all things to savage a nation like France just for not agreeing with your foreign policy is truly wrong. What? Freedom to every one except those that don't agree with you, they must be cowards?

Is it just me, or is this the stupidest thread in a looong time?

You know ... I've lived in the United States for 33 years and 18 days and I've never met anyone who hates the French or France.

Is it just me, or is this the stupidest thread in a looong time?

It's just you.

Ofcourse the entire Europe would help France. The act of invading another sovereign country without reason is hard to do without generating huge amounts of bad rep and outright hate. The US is hated/disliked by many in Europe as it is so I can imagine that many citizens here would be for defending France. Not because non french Europe likes France (on the contrary) but we dislike USA more.

Besides...I know I'd join voluntarily (sp?)in the defence even if my country wouldn't do it officially. I have a hunch that Sweden wouldn't help France as my country has shown huge cowardice the past 100 years. I'm Swedish (with Hungarian roots) but I view myself first and mostly as a European.

Good point but I suppose I could make the point that they might have felt obligated to Britain in the world wars - especially after the first world war when everyone was obligated to Britain ;)
Good point. I wanted to point out, though, that they felt obligated from the get-go. We could have found a way to shuffle our feets but that is not what happened. Anyway, it's all recent history now... let's go drink some beer.

If America attacked france tomorrow, it would be great for british-american relations. I think all the people in britain who currently hate America would have to say, "yes, I hate the fact that America is more powerful than we are and that they have more nukes, but anyone who kicks the crap out of the french is a friend of mine"

In fact, the rest of non-french europe would join in the fight against the french, and in the end the destruction of france would bring the whole world closer together.

So, American attacking France would be a good thing.

The end.

wrong on all points - france is not hated in britain, america is (mostly)

Every European country would be against invasion by America. Think about it its like saying; what would happen if france invaded illinois? The rest of america would defend it even if they hate illinois and its residents.

And far from being closer together i think europe would resent being invaded by america driving us further apart

You know ... I've lived in the United States for 33 years and 18 days and I've never met anyone who hates the French or France.

Where do you live?

Is it just me, or is this the stupidest thread in a looong time?
It's not you... :cool:
(ps : after France, Think about Belgium and Germany, this country are also against the Irak War.)

Is it just me, or is this the stupidest thread in a looong time?
I think it is second only to a vanity thread of some Hitler admirer.

But the notion of one nuclear-armed democracy attacking another just for the hell of it is preposterous.

*snip*
Anyway, it's all recent history now... let's go drink some beer.

Amen to that. I get salivating just by thinking about Bulgarian or Czech beer. Give me...now :D

It's not you... :cool:
(ps : after France, Think about Belgium and Germany, this country are also against the Irak War.)
Don't forget Russia

Jut thought: I think we'd get some help from the middle eastern countries. they must be getting a little shifty now wondering whos next in line to be invaded. they'd probably welcome a chance to help nullify the threat...

Where do you live?

Texas.

I don't like doing this, but I'm gonna have to agree with Undelia. This thread is probably the stupidest I've been posting on in a while...

They don't have any oil?
YES!! BRILLIANT!! Thank you! haha..

who the f*ck cares about france? Is it just me or are Americans the only ones who still care about France?

Don't forget Russia
I just give the name of the "3" allied against the war in the Union.
And since the Spain election,... there is Spain in the list :p

Just think about the prostestation in Europe if their governement don't enter in war against... USA.
How someon's "normal" can just speak about invided a member of the EU?

YES!! BRILLIANT!! Thank you! haha..

lol i was just thinking that but Ive learned to keep it zipped lol

They don't have any oil?
Just a litle.

But there is many oil in Norway.
After France, Belgium and Germany, and before Russia and China, take Norway... no?

Texas.

Well so do I, and I have never head somebody say the exact word “hate” about the French. People make fun of them a lot, but its not malicious, more along the lines of fat jokes as far as seriousness.

Well so do I, and I have never head somebody say the exact word “hate” about the French. People make fun of them a lot, but its not malicious, more along the lines of fat jokes as far as seriousness.

Let me ask, do they even know where France is?
LOL

Well so do I, and I have never head somebody say the exact word “hate” about the French. People make fun of them a lot, but its not malicious, more along the lines of fat jokes as far as seriousness.

I live in Texas and my favorite activity during my french class was making fun of the slug eating wierdos. Making fun of french people is fun, especially because I knew that the french teacher loved france.

I live in Texas and my favorite activity during my french class was making fun of the slug eating wierdos. Making fun of french people is fun, especially because I knew that the french teacher loved france.


lol you say that and yet if someone was to make fun of america you would be screaming racism faster than they could say 'double standards'

I live in Texas and my favorite activity during my french class was making fun of the slug eating wierdos. Making fun of french people is fun, especially because I knew that the french teacher loved france.

I agree. I find it easy to bash them. Mostly because of how immensely thankful they are to all the nations that bought their freedom with the blood of their sons.

Let me ask, do they even know where France is?
LOL

I reckon it’s somewhere over in that there Europe, all them rich folk are so fond a’ vis’ting.

Germany Italy spain and the Benelux countires would instantly help

Then the rest of the EU including Turkey and Russia would join

Britain would remain Neutral

And in a worst case senario, Britain would be torn by Pro-European and Pro-Americans ito potentially a civil war

It would also be the deciding feature of the future of the war on terrorism because the BNP and other extremist groups would use it as an excuse to attack Muslims and Jews.

Let's see. Chirac will ask Raël for help, Raël will get in touch with Zeta Reticuli system, and the Greys will invade the US and disarm it. Deterrence, y'know... :pYou forgot that Raël is also preparing an army of clones so he can take over the world. I don't think chirac would take that risk :)

And in a worst case senario, Britain would be torn by Pro-European and Pro-Americans ito potentially a civil war

It would also be the deciding feature of the future of the war on terrorism because the BNP and other extremist groups would use it as an excuse to attack Muslims and Jews.


The British people consider themselves european above all and then allies of america. There wouldnt be a civil war but it might be political suicide.

I don't think the BNP would be able to do too much, sure there might be an increase of racially-motivated attacks but thats true anywhere

Just to point out, if th USA invaded France they would be breaching the NATO alliance. NATO powers would consider the invasion of an ally a serious breach in etiquette and side with France, along with those bound to France in the EU. Additionally the UK's treaties with the commonwealth could possibly drag most of the rest of the world in. The USA would have to throw alot of cash around to get any allies in the resulting war, possibly a coalition of the stupid involving the moon might side with the US :rolleyes: I hate to point it out but the US isn't very popular at the moment.

Besides which quebec would probably invade, and set fire to the whitehouse again. :mp5:

Slight problem with Europe helping the French: We have a base in every European country, armed to the Teeth. So what the hell, Take over all of Main-land Europe. Fuck the Euros, All they do is fight with each other, ever since there creatoin...Not to mention that France has been fucked by Germany so many times, they'll just surrender and start calling themselves ' French Americans '.

Slight problem with Europe helping the French: We have a base in every European country, armed to the Teeth. So what the hell, Take over all of Main-land Europe. Fuck the Euros, All they do is fight with each other, ever since there creatoin...Not to mention that France has been fucked by Germany so many times, they'll just surrender and start calling themselves ' French Americans '.

You have very small numbers of troops in each country compared to the native army. Your troops in those bases would be stopped easily

You have very small numbers of troops in each country compared to the native army. Your troops in those bases would be stopped easily

Yeah thats alot of free equipment aint it.

The US doesn't hate France. That would be like hating Jerry Lewis. Sure he's annoying, and kind of an un-funny joke, but you just can't hate the guy. With that much in common it's no wonder he and the French get along so well.

:D Having said that, what would happen if the USA invaded France? France surrenders on the first day and immediately starts rounding up USA haters to hand over to us so we can put them in Guantanamo bay. Also French industry miraculously becomes efficient and produces all sorts of military and civilian goods for the US to use. :D

Wow. Thinly disguised Jingoistic Francophobia. If I had posted crap like this nobody would have dignified it with a response and would have let it die a lonely death at the bottom of the forum.

:rolleyes:

Life can be so unfair.

:(

If the USA invaded France tomorrow, do you suppose anyone would come to France's aid............again?
If you think somebody would, who would it be and why?

China would sit back and laugh while they easily take over Taiwan if that ever happened

The US doesn't hate France. That would be like hating Jerry Lewis. Sure he's annoying, and kind of an un-funny joke, but you just can't hate the guy. With that much in common it's no wonder he and the French get along so well.

:D Having said that, what would happen if the USA invaded France? France surrenders on the first day and immediately starts rounding up USA haters to hand over to us so we can put them in Guantanamo bay. Also French industry miraculously becomes efficient and produces all sorts of military and civilian goods for the US to use. :D

This is, without a doubt, the best post on the thread thus far. Kudos, sir!

This is, without a doubt, the best post on the thread thus far. Kudos, sir!
Thanks! You throw enough crap at the wall, some's bound to stick.

They don't have any oil?

I dunno, apparently those in the south of France have a thing for oil; olive oil that is (like most mediteraneans).

This ignorant hatred of France by the Americans simply stuns me.

If it weren't for French aid during your revolution, you wouldn't even have an independent nation! The French provided vast sums of money, muskets, supplies and men. Cornwallis was only defeated through the aid of a French army and the French navy.

Then the vast debt that France incurred from aiding YOUR revolution drove the nation to civil war and the French Revolution. When the French came and asked you for aid, you basically just ignored them.

Finally, the French fought alongside you in both world wars and supplied you with the Statue of Libery. Not only that, you were allies with France against the British in the War of 1812 (part of the Napoleonic Wars) and in many other political situations.

And where does the hatred stem from? The fact that the French opposed an unjustified invasion of a sovereign nation? The fact that you overthrew a nations legitimate government to instill a parliament of puppets which only serve your own interests? For boosting al-quida's membership to all time high levels? If anything, the French should hate you. The Chinese, Russians, Germans and British (all but Blair) already do.

Ungrateful bastards.

This ignorant hatred of France by the Americans simply stuns me.

If it weren't for French aid during your revolution, you wouldn't even have an independent nation! The French provided vast sums of money, muskets, supplies and men. Cornwallis was only defeated through the aid of a French army and the French navy.

Then the vast debt that France incurred from aiding YOUR revolution drove the nation to civil war and the French Revolution. When the French came and asked you for aid, you basically just ignored them.

Finally, the French fought alongside you in both world wars and supplied you with the Statue of Libery. Not only that, you were allies with France against the British in the War of 1812 (part of the Napoleonic Wars) and in many other political situations.

And where does the hatred stem from? The fact that the French opposed an unjustified invasion of a sovereign nation? The fact that you overthrew a nations legitimate government to instill a parliament of puppets which only serve your own interests? For boosting al-quida's membership to all time high levels? If anything, the French should hate you. The Chinese, Russians, Germans and British (all but Blair) already do.

Ungrateful bastards.
You're right. We should have helped King Louis the 16th crush the revolution out of gratitude for his aid against the British. If the French had a strong monarch and aristocracy making decisions for them they might be better off today.

The US doesn't hate France. That would be like hating Jerry Lewis. Sure he's annoying, and kind of an un-funny joke, but you just can't hate the guy. With that much in common it's no wonder he and the French get along so well.

The US treats France like it does any other nation; like a housepet when the country is sucking Red White and Blue cock, and like The Enemy when it doesn't.

:rolleyes:

:D Having said that, what would happen if the USA invaded France? France surrenders on the first day and immediately starts rounding up USA haters to hand over to us so we can put them in Guantanamo bay. Also French industry miraculously becomes efficient and produces all sorts of military and civilian goods for the US to use. :D

Not sorry at all to ruin your masturbation fantasy of the Cheese-eating Surrender Monkeys.

Something the French haters should read (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432324)

Germany did not have a cakewalk in Paris like they wanted everyone to believe. Read up on that and you'll find out how much of a mess the French insurgency made of the German war machine. Oh and the link in the thread is to an American military occupation primer for troops stationed in France so you can't call it "Liberal Propaganda."

If America's stupid enough to invade France with Iraq and Afghanistan taking up most of its military power to begin with, nobody will be surprised when America finally gets the overdue comeuppance. Like Vietnam, only much bigger.

the british upper middle classes would rally to the call to defend their holiday homes! think of the effect a war would have on the property prices! (privet property don't you just hate it)

The US treats France like it does any other nation; like a housepet when the country is sucking Red White and Blue cock, and like The Enemy when it doesn't.

:rolleyes:



Not sorry at all to ruin your masturbation fantasy of the Cheese-eating Surrender Monkeys.

Something the French haters should read (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432324)

Germany did not have a cakewalk in Paris like they wanted everyone to believe. Read up on that and you'll find out how much of a mess the French insurgency made of the German war machine. Oh and the link in the thread is to an American military occupation primer for troops stationed in France so you can't call it "Liberal Propaganda."

If America's stupid enough to invade France with Iraq and Afghanistan taking up most of its military power to begin with, nobody will be surprised when America finally gets the overdue comeuppance. Like Vietnam, only much bigger.
It was a joke post dude! I'm treating this thread as a joke, because that's what it deserves. Seriously. Do you think I'd seriously portra the US as equivalent to Nazi Germany?

This ignorant hatred of France by the Americans simply stuns me.

If it weren't for French aid during your revolution, you wouldn't even have an independent nation! The French provided vast sums of money, muskets, supplies and men. Cornwallis was only defeated through the aid of a French army and the French navy.

Then the vast debt that France incurred from aiding YOUR revolution drove the nation to civil war and the French Revolution. When the French came and asked you for aid, you basically just ignored them.

Finally, the French fought alongside you in both world wars and supplied you with the Statue of Libery. Not only that, you were allies with France against the British in the War of 1812 (part of the Napoleonic Wars) and in many other political situations.

And where does the hatred stem from? The fact that the French opposed an unjustified invasion of a sovereign nation? The fact that you overthrew a nations legitimate government to instill a parliament of puppets which only serve your own interests? For boosting al-quida's membership to all time high levels? If anything, the French should hate you. The Chinese, Russians, Germans and British (all but Blair) already do.

Ungrateful bastards.
The French do hate Americans. Try being an American and visit Paris. You'll see what I mean.
Ungrateful bastards.....??????? Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black! We should have let Germany keep France.

It was a joke post dude! I'm treating this thread as a joke, because that's what it deserves. Seriously. Do you think I'd seriously portra the US as equivalent to Nazi Germany?

Oh.

... (much snippage) ... Oh and the link in the thread is to an American military occupation primer for troops stationed in France so you can't call it "Liberal Propaganda."


You have much to learn, my friend. Never underestimate the power of the dark "Liberal Propaganda". Whether it's true or not is irrelevant. All information will be assimilated by the "Liberal Propaganda".

The conservative knows that and are raising red flags all over.

I think we need to stay more on topic. This isn't a liberal vs. conservative thing.

Let's see, there will be a few open sea skirmishes but the navies for the most part will try to avoid open battle and I'm pretty sure the US would be able to push its fleet into European waters. Britian would probably just stay neutral as well as the rest of Europe. The air war would be a decent fight but US would once again come out on top and begin to bomb military installations. After that I think the French would be quick to surrender (Not because of WWII or anything like that), but I think they'd recognize an unwinable situation.

However you could expect heavy underground resistance for the entire duration of occupancy and The US's popularity with the world decreases greatly.

Wow. Thinly disguised Jingoistic Francophobia. If I had posted crap like this nobody would have dignified it with a response and would have let it die a lonely death at the bottom of the forum.

:rolleyes:

Life can be so unfair.

:(

Well, not only it is indeed jingoistic francophobia, but it is definitely the proof that some people out there have nothing else to do but post utterly idiotic threads, and sorry to say, but even to think about such a hypothesis is truly a sign of ambiant stupidness.

Well, not only it is indeed jingoistic francophobia, but it is definitely the proof that some people out there have nothing else to do but post utterly idiotic threads, and sorry to say, but even to think about such a hypothesis is truly a sign of ambiant stupidness.

That's really not very nice. If you don't care for this thread, simply by-pass it and go on to one that is more to your liking.

and sorry to say, but even to think about such a hypothesis is truly a sign of ambiant stupidness.

If you're going to act like an arrogant ass spewing verbiage left and right, make sure you at least check your spelling.

Dennis Miller wannabe.

It doesnt really matter who would help France. It america attacked France tomorrow, it would comprise of the few ships they could get over to France in that time, and maybe a couple marines.

Regardless, a war would be idiocy. The US wouldn't be able to shadow all of the French SSBM's simultaneously, and destroy them at the same time. At the minimum, San Francisco or New York would be obliterated. US economy all but collapses.

Any major landings by the US would be met with ASMP's. Same with carriers. An ASMP would be worth a carrier, every time. Phalanx would do little against that.

The US would have to nuke France to defeat it, because France wouldnt not use its weapons in defense.

I cant think of one logical reason the US would attack France . Give a plausable scenario at least . if france was to do something so bad that the US would attack it then you have to think that the rest of the world ..or most of it ..would either help or just stay neutral .
As far as the results of the fight ..get real .. one two days a week maybe ? France surrenders and a new French government is formed that gets along for a while . I cant imagine a US soldier taking up arms against the French unless they all turn into zombie jihadist or pod people ..it would be like attacking ourselves .

Regardless, a war would be idiocy. The US wouldn't be able to shadow all of the French SSBM's simultaneously, and destroy them at the same time. At the minimum, San Francisco or New York would be obliterated. US economy all but collapses.

In the run-up to any invasion, the US Navy would be sure to locate all of France's SSBMs. How many does France have? Four? They'd be the first to be taken out.

Wow. So many American still masturbate to the Cheese-eating Surrender Monkey Myth.

Firstly, I'd say this question is ludicrous. Why would we invade a sentient nation that is no threat to us(individually, as a whole, Europe would be very problematic to fight)? You people and your anti-french sentiment sickens me. Simply because they didn't send their soldiers to die for something they didn't believe in is no reason to hate them. Perhaps they should hate us for not helping out in World War I or II earlier? But we have NO reason, whatsoever to hate them. It is because of France that the United States of America exists. Some may quibble about this and say it was our brilliant military leaders(Washington). France gave us weapons, they gave us people to train our troops, and they stopped Cornwallis from retreating at Yorktown. What did it cost them? Money, men, and of course, the government's heads.

Secondly, as to your question, who would help the French were we to invade, all of Europe, for one. For some reason you people think that the French are horrible military fighters, granted, their generals in the past haven't been the wisest(Specifically the Hundred Years War in the 1300s[Underestimating the long bow] and World War II[Not modernizing their army]) Now they do have a competent, modern army and it will not be a sweeping defeat with all of the international support of France. Every nation will be with the French for an unprovoked attack on France. Let's get back to discussing things that may happen, please.

This ignorant hatred of France by the Americans simply stuns me.you probably have every right to be pissed at the "Ungrateful bastards"...

But let me tell you...

I am pissed..not at France...I'm pissed at you French people...cos you have set Back Europe by killing the EU constitution. this french attitude fucking stuns me...and then some "/%"/<["$&*%?!"±£¢¤¬$!" :gundge:

in a Democracy, the whole People has to take responsibility for whatever they democratically elect to do.

I do take responsibility for our failure...You are not going to hear me say "spare me... I didn't vote for Bush..."

BTW US or Russia invasion of France is Suicide.

In the run-up to any invasion, the US Navy would be sure to locate all of France's SSBMs. How many does France have? Four? They'd be the first to be taken out.

The first to be attempted to be taken out...

You seriously think the US navy could find, shadow, and simultaneously take out four independant SSBM's, before the french realized what was going on? Besides, one is usually in port, heavily guarded...they would be able to launch from France to the east coast.

In the run-up to any invasion, the US Navy would be sure to locate all of France's SSBMs.just how in hell can you be sure to locate triumphant-class Subs?

FYI They are one thousand times quieter than the (latest generation) Redoutable-class subs.

Im British and we have a dirty thing with the French but i would still fight to defend europe against america!

Thanks to all for your insight.

The first to be attempted to be taken out...

You seriously think the US navy could find, shadow, and simultaneously take out four independant SSBM's, before the french realized what was going on? Besides, one is usually in port, heavily guarded...they would be able to launch from France to the east coast.
In port means a sitting target easily seen by satellites or spy planes, and eaily hit by airstrikes or cruise missiles.
America has a lot of practice finding and shadowing enemy subs from the Cold War. Plus, we have many times the number of subs France has to devote to the search. May be difficult, but certainly not impossible.

If the USA invaded France tomorrow, do you suppose anyone would come to France's aid............again?
If you think somebody would, who would it be and why?

Germany probably... (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4695943.stm)

And I'd give some serious thought to changing my mind about that Conscientous Objector stuff. ;)

Both massively overnationalistic to the point of racism. Hence why they hate each other - America sends the message that Americans are higher beings than others, and France sends the message that French are higher beings than others.

Both massively overnationalistic to the point of racism. Hence why they hate each other - America sends the message that Americans are higher beings than others, and France sends the message that French are higher beings than others.


This assumption always kills me. Look, we Americans are NOT raised to believe we are better than anyone else - but we ARE raised to believe we are just as good and no one else is better than us either.

If we walk and speak with confidence, that is because we know we are truly equal - there is no nobility here and there never has been. A child born in the US knows by kindergarten that he or she can truly become anything they want, even president. We don't have a "House of Lords" that some are ineligible to participate in because of an accident of birth.

And if we sound as if we expect people to listen to our advice, well if you look back in history you will discover that has been the attitude of EVERY country who was currently carrying the biggest stick. Are we being crucified for not feeling differently?

"This assumption always kills me. Look, we Americans are NOT raised to believe we are better than anyone else - but we ARE raised to believe we are just as good and no one else is better than us either."

You're mistaken there; the former is definitely true. Think about how many times the president, other politicians, celebrities, regular Americans, etc. refer to America as "the greatest nation on Earth", "the greatest military on Earth", etc, etc. It probably all started out as harmless propoganda during the Cold War but has evolved into a frenzied ideology of ethnocentrism and a false sense of superiority.

IT DOUSNT MATTER WHO HELPS THEM, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA CANNOT BE DEFEATED!




...............sorry that just kind of sliped out......Damn propiganda

"This assumption always kills me. Look, we Americans are NOT raised to believe we are better than anyone else - but we ARE raised to believe we are just as good and no one else is better than us either."

You're mistaken there; the former is definitely true. Think about how many times the president, other politicians, celebrities, regular Americans, etc. refer to America as "the greatest nation on Earth", "the greatest military on Earth", etc, etc. It probably all started out as harmless propoganda during the Cold War but has evolved into a frenzied ideology of ethnocentrism and a false sense of superiority.


1. "the greatest nation on Earth" - Everyone I have ever met - from numerous countries and several different continents - referred to their home country as "the greatest nation on Earth" - that's not egotistical, it's just plain pride and gratitude in one's home; which I find an admirable trait in anyone regardless of where they are from.

2. "the greatest military on Earth" - Given the current worldwide statistics, this is not an opinion or a boast, but a simple statement of fact. Are we supposed to lie about it?

And I don't know where you live, but where I live the only thing discussed at dinner that could be called a "frenzied ideology" is a fervent wish that the rest of the world would just shut up, get a grip on reality, and GET ALONG with each other so we can stop playing kindergarten cops - we have issues here at home that we'd like to get back to.

In port means a sitting target easily seen by satellites or spy planes, and eaily hit by airstrikes or cruise missiles.
America has a lot of practice finding and shadowing enemy subs from the Cold War. Plus, we have many times the number of subs France has to devote to the search. May be difficult, but certainly not impossible.The French is sure to have some dummies in port...to be sure you would have to nuke all French ports.

That leaves them 3 subs.

And I don't know where you live, but where I live the only thing discussed at dinner that could be called a "frenzied ideology" is a fervent wish that the rest of the world would just shut up, get a grip on reality, and GET ALONG with each other so we can stop playing kindergarten cops - we have issues here at home that we'd like to get back to.you do have issues

As usual, both Economies would be destroyed, so the Americans would rebel at home, leaving the US army with more important things to worry about.

So the Americans can fire missiles but they have no way of actually getting there. Same goes for the French.
Much of Europe would probably join with the French, but they couldn't change anything either.

And WHY would we "hypothetically" invade our ally of 200+ years? Because some idiot president doesn't have France as a rubber stamping nation?

Please. This is to idiotic. In fact, a LOT of posts tonight seem to be written by idiots.

And WHY would we "hypothetically" invade our ally of 200+ years? Because some idiot president doesn't have France as a rubber stamping nation?

Please. This is to idiotic. In fact, a LOT of posts tonight seem to be written by idiots.

I certainly hope you're not calling me an idiot! I'd have to have to report you for flaming. If you don't like the thread, why did you post?
You slay me.......

The French is sure to have some dummies in port...to be sure you would have to nuke all French ports.

That leaves them 3 subs.
Nuke? Who said anything about nuking French ports? America has lots of explosives. We wouldn't need or use nukes unless nuked first.
You say "some" dummies. The US military has the means to destroy dozens of dummy subs in adition to the single real one. Taking out that single SSBM in port would not be difficult.
In the proposed hypothetical war, America instigated it by invading France. You don't suddenly invade another country at the flip of a coin. It requires months of planning and preparation. The US Navy would be spending those many months finding all of France's naval fleet; including those 3 SSBMs. Considering the dozens of nuclear attack subs and anti-sub ships and planes the US Navy has at their disposal, it shouldn't be too difficult.

And I don't know where you live, but where I live the only thing discussed at dinner that could be called a "frenzied ideology" is a fervent wish that the rest of the world would just shut up, get a grip on reality, and GET ALONG with each other so we can stop playing kindergarten cops - we have issues here at home that we'd like to get back to.

Hang on... are you telling me that the REST of the world is not aware of the geopolitical reality of the world. Only you know what is really going on?

Well, next thing you'll tell us is that the Chinese don't know how to speak Mandarin, only you have the proper dialect.

You seem the kind of guy who end up alone during a guided tour and assume that everybody is lost except you who is on the right track.

Tell us, oh enlighted one, what shall we do next?

(/sarcasm)

Did America really come to the aid of the French? Paris fell in 1940, and we didn't invade Normandy until 1944 or even enter the war until late 1941. The people we were fighting happened to be stationed in France, so we invaded. We didn't enter World War Two to defend democracy in Europe, that was just a positive side effect. The US entered the war because of Pearl Harbor. The fallacy of a democratic crusade fuels both the idiotic argument that the French "owe us" and the idiotic argument that democracy can come out of the barrel of a gun.

Nuke? Who said anything about nuking French ports? America has lots of explosives. We wouldn't need or use nukes unless nuked first.any US-France war would go Nuclear...

when our conventional Forces are overpowering their Conventional forces...they will tell civilians to leave France (actually they will tell the Civileans to leave way before the first shots...unless its an US surprise attack)...and then they will use the Nukes...

Its on their "Force de Frappe" philosophy...and they have the same plan for a war vs. Russia.

Seeing as we have the largest, best trained military in the world (not to mention best equipped), I don't think it would matter much if anyone helped them. All I know is, it's not good to fire the first shot.

Seeing as we have the largest, best trained military in the world (not to mention best equipped), I don't think it would matter much if anyone helped them. All I know is, it's not good to fire the first shot.

Best equipped with total number of equipment, maybe...

Seeing as we have the largest, best trained military in the world (not to mention best equipped), I don't think it would matter much if anyone helped them. All I know is, it's not good to fire the first shot.

It's a good thing I'm not in charge. I would have fired the first shot a LONG time ago.

~Jingo Bells, Jingo Bells, Jingo All The Way~

Unpopular??????
Hated is more accurate.

May I ask why France is "hated" in the USA?
:confused:

Slight problem with Europe helping the French: We have a base in every European country, armed to the Teeth.

:D :D :D In every European Country? lol cool never saw any US soldiers over here :D

May I ask why France is "hated" in the USA?
:confused:

Because of several reasons:

1) France was the most defiant country when it came to opposing the invasion of Iraq.

2) On a similar note, France refuses to be America's rubber stamp yes man and thus incurs the wrath of the NeoCon Hawks in the US government.

3) America has a superiority complex. As if it wasn't enough believing it's the most powerful and greatest nation on Earth, it has to come up with every pretense of insulting and belittling the French every chance it gets.

so there!

(1
and
(2
might be right, i dunno....

(3... mmm not so usa alone...oui?..non?

Slight problem with Europe helping the French: We have a base in every European country, armed to the Teeth.
That's just stupid. The one reasonable base is Ramstein in Germany. It's somewhat of a hub for the US middle east operations.
I can't imagine Germany allowing overflights, or even passage of troops into France. So if the Americans try, there'll be annoyance...
http://www.ndu.edu/inss/strforum/SF164/forum164.html

http://www.eurofighter.com/
Are those any good?

That's just stupid. The one reasonable base is Ramstein in Germany. It's somewhat of a hub for the US middle east operations.
I can't imagine Germany allowing overflights, or even passage of troops into France. So if the Americans try, there'll be annoyance...
http://www.ndu.edu/inss/strforum/SF164/forum164.html

http://www.eurofighter.com/
Are those any good?

Meh. I prefer Rafale's over Eurofighters... Just seems to me that France usually makes better planes than britain(which is basically the major part of the EF2000, germany's contribution is defeated by a bad current airforce, and people like spain, etc).

... Considering the dozens of nuclear attack subs and anti-sub ships and planes the US Navy has at their disposal, it shouldn't be too difficult.considering all that...you still looking for a lucky shot...

Anti-sub tech is 50/50 against old noisy subs...

against the latest stealth subs?
I have one word for you... "Russian Roulette"

Point is, no matter which way you look at it, the majority of the European military is constructed to fight the Soviets in the NATO framework.
Modernisation is happening, but mainly to make the military smaller and more flexible.
Germany has never spent much on its airforce because it was never meant to fight for the skies, others were meant to do that. The Bundeswehr was meant to fight huge tank battles with the Russians until reinforcements could come in - and to change that will still take a while.
Currently, the German army has become a very capable peacekeeping force, moreso even than an actual war machine. And I assume that the same goes for most other European countries (France and the UK probably to a lesser extent).
To ask how the Europeans would fight against the Americans is like asking how I would fare against my arms. Neither can actually use all his abilities against the other.

And if you then add the economic and political ramifications of such a war, I think it's safe to say that it ain't gonna happen.

Seeing as we have the largest, best trained military in the world (not to mention best equipped), I don't think it would matter much if anyone helped them. All I know is, it's not good to fire the first shot.

Not to nitpick, but I'm pretty sure the British Army is considered the best trained military in the world. And we most definitely do not have the largest military in the world, and the way things are being introduced in our Army (like the Stryker), our equipment edge might fall in the Army (not Navy or Airforce).