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With a post count reaching nearly 5000 and an increased presence in the general forum, it makes me wonder, how does the forum view me. I know that I hold rather extreme views in comparison, which can lead to misunderstanding.

Please feel free to comment about me, as I keep my mind open.

Personally I couldn't care.

I really hate your views, but you act a lot like me, so I guess your cool in a sort of inverse way.... :?

Yea, I really don't care that much to be straight up. Honestly, I don't come here that much, I have other things to do and I get way too busy with my family, friends and work. So alas, it doesn't much matter

Your views frighten me on many levels, but I'm sort of fascinated with how you arrive at your conclusions about morality.

I really hate your views, but you act a lot like me, so I guess your cool in a sort of inverse way.... :?

I don't recall ever acting like you.

If I ever wanted to know something about the second world war, I'd turn to you.

Your views frighten me on many levels, but I'm sort of fascinated with how you arrive at your conclusions about morality.

I fascinate and intrigue almost everyone I met. I don't see my charisma as a curse.

If I ever wanted to know something about the second world war, I'd turn to you.

I'm just a n00b. There's at least 4 people that I RP with that have much more indepth knowledge of the War than me.

I'm not sure I'd call you charismatic per se, there's a difference between that and fascinating. My fascination comes from the fact that we disagree damn near completely and I don't yet know why.

I don't recall ever acting like you.

Its the way that you put your ideas fourth so forcefully, like I do, and your ideas are radically right, while mine are left to the approx. same extent.

I find your posts to be fascinating, and while I often agree with you on a moral level, I often disagree with you on a political level.

You claim to be chinese, that's interesting because I can spot almost no flaws in your english.

I find your posts to be fascinating, and while I often agree with you on a moral level, I often disagree with you on a political level.

What disagreements have we had over politics?

You claim to be chinese, that's intersting because I can spot almost no flaws in your english.

Perhaps I fail to tell you that I've been living in the West for 10 years.

With a post count reaching nearly 5000 and an increased presence in the general forum, it makes me wonder, how does the forum view me. I know that I hold rather extreme views in comparison, which can lead to misunderstanding.

Please feel free to comment about me, as I keep my mind open.


You're a loveable conservative who views everything liberal in this world with contempt.......

Don't ever change :)

Its the way that you put your ideas fourth so forcefully, like I do, and your ideas are radically right, while mine are left to the approx. same extent.

I suppose that's a case of the Bolshevik meets the SS Mann. LOL!

What disagreements have we had over politics?

You seem to believe that the government should legislate morality, or at least have said such events are done for good reason Personally, I don’t believe the government should have any say in the private matters of individuals, as long as they aren’t directly harming someone.

You're a loveable conservative who views everything liberal in this world with contempt.......

Don't ever change :)

http://www.newsgd.com/news/headlines/200401150015_8646.jpg

You seem to believe that the government should legislate morality, or at least have said such events are done for good reason Personally, I don’t believe the government should have any say in the private matters of individuals, as long as they aren’t directly harming someone.

The individual's first obligation is to State. If his behavior and actions are contradictory to the national image, then he must change.

Perhaps I fail to tell you that I've been living in the West for 10 years.

oh. btw, I just held presentation about Internet usage in China. It was pretty interesting though the article was rather old.

Meh, you're ok. No where near as charismatic as myself *superman pose*, but you're alright. You certainly do know snappy uniforms though! *points of the "What -ism" thread*

The individual's first obligation is to State. If his behavior and actions are contradictory to the national image, then he must change.

Eeeeeexactly!

Of course, not in a communist way. In a facist way, yes.

...and I did like many of your statements here, though I view myself politically left orientated.

Lightning Star, you have, quite possibly, the greatest signature of all time. I bow to your superiority.

The individual's first obligation is to State. If his behavior and actions are contradictory to the national image, then he must change.

And I believe that the individual’s first obligations are to God, family and himself. See, we completely disagree. :D

I fascinate and intrigue almost everyone I met. I don't see my charisma as a curse.

Sounds like a quote from Hitler.... Goes nicely with your Nazi fetish and closeted homosexuality. ;)

Sounds like a quote from Hitler.... Goes nicely with your Nazi fetish and closeted homosexuality. ;)

:p

oh. btw, I just held presentation about Internet usage in China. It was pretty interesting though the article was rather old.

I never said that I reside in China.

Lightning Star, you have, quite possibly, the greatest signature of all time. I bow to your superiority.

:D

But this isn't ab00t me, it's ab00t Sino =)

Sounds like a quote from Hitler.... Goes nicely with your Nazi fetish and closeted homosexuality. ;)

I think you're losing your sense of humor. Please don't repeat yourself so constantly unless you're senile.

Just because I've never had a girlfriend, nor have I found the time to get one, it does not mean that I need to pay some whore, lose my virginity and confirm that I'm straight.

Homosexual activist like you use verbal intimidation and slander just to get your views across. Based on no intellectual backing, a homosexual professor wrote an unconvincing book citing that Hitler was gay. Perhaps a better candidate would be Tesla? He was eccentric, and had phobias for women and bacteria, being a virgin for life, I'm sure more of your kind will slander him for being a closet gay too. How about Chopin? He became asexual, does that mean he converted to perversion?

Lightning Star, you have, quite possibly, the greatest signature of all time.

Indeed!

Meh, you're ok. No where near as charismatic as myself *superman pose*, but you're alright.

*Stands to attention, order arms.*

Are you asking for a posing competition?

Eeeeeexactly!

Of course, not in a communist way. In a facist way, yes.

There's plenty more of those type of quotes. Maybe I should write them all down in a book and sell it. Hang on! I might get nabbed for copyright infringement. LOL!

*Stands to attention, order arms.*

Are you asking for a posing competition?

Erm, not really...

*yawn* I got's to sleep, It's 3:00 A.M. here. That's the last time I stay up 16 hours for an FFXI Update...

(Yes, I know that was anti-climactic ;))

I think you're losing your sense of humor. Please don't repeat yourself so constantly unless you're senile.

Just because I've never had a girlfriend, nor have I found the time to get one, it does not mean that I need to pay some whore, lose my virginity and confirm that I'm straight.

Homosexual activist like you use verbal intimidation and slander just to get your views across. Based on no intellectual backing, a homosexual professor wrote an unconvincing book citing that Hitler was gay. Perhaps a better candidate would be Tesla? He was eccentric, and had phobias for women and bacteria, being a virgin for life, I'm sure more of your kind will slander him for being a closet gay too. How about Chopin? He became asexual, does that mean he converted to perversion?


:D

Methinks thou doth protest too much!

Oh, I demnd a posing competition war between sino and the lightning star (and his sig, w00t!) Use pictures please!

Oh, I demnd a posing competition war between sino and the lightning star (and his sig, w00t!) Use pictures please!

I rather not crash the server with an overload of good pictures.

With a post count reaching nearly 5000 and an increased presence in the general forum, it makes me wonder, how does the forum view me. I know that I hold rather extreme views in comparison, which can lead to misunderstanding.

I think you are hilarious! Your postings and statements are a source of great amusement to me. Life is sometimes hard and it does me good to read stuff that makes me laugh out loud!

Just because I've never had a girlfriend, nor have I found the time to get one, it does not mean that I need to pay some whore, lose my virginity and confirm that I'm straight.
Methinks after 5000 posts, its high time you get a girlfriend ;)

I think you are hilarious! Your postings and statements are a source of great amusement to me. Life is sometimes hard and it does me good to read stuff that makes me laugh out loud!

Yeah, I do post a lot of racist and political jokes, which I have no shame about.

Methinks after 5000 posts, its high time you get a girlfriend ;)

I lead a very busy student life, so NS is my sole source of amusement. Besides, I doubt that girls like me. I don't think conservatives like Bush got much p*ssy in his youth. LOL!

:D

Methinks thou doth protest too much!

I see more protests from the lowlife liberals. They make a career out off it.

I lead a very busy student life, so NS is my sole source of amusement. Besides, I doubt that girls like me. I don't think conservatives like Bush got much p*ssy in his youth. LOL!
How old are you anyway? :confused:

How old are you anyway? :confused:

If I walked up to you, you'd think I'm 15. But no, I'm 18.

If I walked up to you, you'd think I'm 15. But no, I'm 18.
Do you have some deeper connection to China or did you pick your name at random?

Yeah, I do post a lot of racist and political jokes, which I have no shame about.
Actually it is not so much you humour (which I find mostly unfunny) than your opinions which make me laugh.

Never saw any thread of you I can remember.

But I'm always very positive so I say: you're cool man! Sino rules!!! :D

Do you have some deeper connection to China or did you pick your name at random?

I don't really have a deeper connection with a nation of problems. I'm a regular visitor at http://www.sinodefence.com and an RP'er. When I created my nation, I gave it a lot of thought, I realized that it would be difficult to RP a nation that is authentically White (there's plenty of those around). Digging deep into the tracts of nationalism, I realized that it would be interesting to create a nation that would be described by the critics as a case of Nazi China meets Uncle Sam. It's also useful when RP'ing to post pictures copyright from Sino Defence.

I don't realyl have a deeper connection with a nation of problems. I'm a regular visitor at http://www.sinodefence.com and an RP'er. When I created my nation, I gave it a lot of thought, I realized that it would be difficult to RP a nation that is authentically White. Digging deep into the tracts of nationalism, I realized that it would be interesting to create a nation that would be described by the critics as a case of Nazi China meets Uncle Sam. It's also useful when RP'ing to post pictures (c) from Sino Defence.Ah. I was wondering about that.

I lead a very busy student life, so NS is my sole source of amusement. Besides, I doubt that girls like me. I don't think conservatives like Bush got much p*ssy in his youth. LOL!

yeah... It's your political views that keep the girls away... Has nothing to do with your personality....

:eek:

yeah... It's your political views that keep the girls away... Has nothing to do with your personality....

:eek:

Maybe I should learn from a leading American called Michael Jackson and ply 'em with alcohol. LOL!

Maybe I should learn from a leading American called Michael Jackson and ply 'em with alcohol. LOL!Don't worry about it. It's much more fun and gratifying if it comes late with someone you have a strong relationship with.

Don't worry about it. It's much more fun and gratifying if it comes late with someone you have a strong relationship with.

I am certainly aware of that. The trouble with me is that after 10 years of living in the West, I am only attracted to White chicks.

Actually it is not so much you humour (which I find mostly unfunny) than your opinions which make me laugh.

When did you escape from the mental institute?

Whoa! What an ego.

Whoa! What an ego.

Who, me?

When did you escape from the mental institute?
See, that's exactly what I mean: if that was an opinion of yours I'd find it really funny. But as an attempt of humour it failed to amuse!

See, that's exactly what I mean: if that was an opinion of yours I'd find it really funny. But as an attempt of humour it failed to amuse!

That was a serious question.

That was a serious question.Could be considered insulting then...

There's plenty more of those type of quotes. Maybe I should write them all down in a book and sell it. Hang on! I might get nabbed for copyright infringement. LOL!

...but maybe we are talking Copyleft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyleft) not copyright?

Who, me?
Yeah you. A thread devoted to your own self importance. Why do you think that you are important enoug that people will rate you? Wait, nevermind this is a form of ego disorder combined with a Nepolion complex. (i apologize for my spelling of Nepolion.)

Yeah you. A thread devoted to your own self importance. Why do you think that you are important enoug that people will rate you? Wait, nevermind this is a form of ego disorder combined with a Nepolion complex. (i apologize for my spelling of Nepolion.)
Oh, come on. Just look at how many people are posting on this thread. I might do it too if I felt people would recognize me :D

That was a serious question.
And mine was a serious reply!

Oh, come on. Just look at how many people are posting on this thread. I might do it too if I felt people would recognize me :D

Yeah, me to.

Yeah you. A thread devoted to your own self importance. Why do you think that you are important enoug that people will rate you? Wait, nevermind this is a form of ego disorder combined with a Nepolion complex. (i apologize for my spelling of Nepolion.)

I'm not meaning to be arrogant. I started the thread just to see how others rate me as a neighbore on these forums.

...but maybe we are talking Copyleft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyleft) not copyright?

There's also a copyleft?! Wow!

Oh, come on. Just look at how many people are posting on this thread. I might do it too if I felt people would recognize me :D
I recognize you. I rate you very highly in terms of debating skills and interesting opinions.

There aren't a lot of Chinese around. You're one of those active enough to make me notice, but to be honest, I haven't been interacting with you too often, lol.

We could change that.

ok, so now who's going to tap my back?!

I recognize you. I rate you very highly in terms of debating skills and interesting opinions.Thank you :fluffle: You just made my day! :)

I'm not meaning to be arrogant. I started the thread just to see how others rate me as a neighbore on these forums.
Just trying to stir up trouble. I don't really think that you are a pompus, arrogant, self centered, self absorbed, freakishly uncoordinated goober.

You are a great and important guy, yes you are and don't let any one ever tell you other wise!

With a post count reaching nearly 5000 and an increased presence in the general forum, it makes me wonder, how does the forum view me. I know that I hold rather extreme views in comparison, which can lead to misunderstanding.

Please feel free to comment about me, as I keep my mind open.

Mmh. Honestly? Some of your views are indeed extreme if compared to mine. I conceive them as weird and I'm not sure what you mean sometimes (or, better: how you mean it) - even at 2nd glance.

But - I appreciate you posting your views openly since that is always a good start for a lively discussion (or - when I'm too lazy to post - at least gets me thinking and re-evaluating my thoughts and beliefs, which then of course don't change :p ).
I appreciate that, though. Weirdo! :D:D:D

(You sometimes sound just like my evil twin from the mirror universe! :eek: )

We're exactly opposite politically, which I suppose makes you an interesting foil.

After recent posts. I now consider Sino to be an intolerant, dangerously nationalistic, fascist monster. Before anybody reports me to the mods for flaming, check his recent post history. It is frightening. He said that the other groups besides the Jews deserved to be in the Nazi death camps!

After recent posts. I now consider Sino to be an intolerant, dangerously nationalistic, fascist monster. Before anybody reports me to the mods for flaming, check his recent post history. It is frightening. He said that the other groups besides the Jews deserved to be in the Nazi death camps!Where?

Where?

Here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9277426#post9277426

I'm not anti-Semitic, but most of the other groups being sent to the concentration camps deserved to be there.

Sickening.

After recent posts. I now consider Sino to be an intolerant, dangerously nationalistic, fascist monster. Before anybody reports me to the mods for flaming, check his recent post history. It is frightening. He said that the other groups besides the Jews deserved to be in the Nazi death camps!
Do not take him seriously! Apart from having absolutely no sense of humour he also has no real clue - that much can be learnt from his posts. That's why I find him funny - after all, I can't take him seriously.

Especially for you, Undulia: :fluffle:

Do not take him seriously! Apart from having absolutely no sense of humour he also has no real clue - that much can be learnt from his posts. That's why I find him funny - after all, I can't take him seriously.

I guess I just have thin skin when it comes to that sort of thing.

To be honest I've never heard of you.

Hi! :)

With a post count reaching nearly 5000 and an increased presence in the general forum, it makes me wonder, how does the forum view me. I know that I hold rather extreme views in comparison, which can lead to misunderstanding.

Please feel free to comment about me, as I keep my mind open.

I've never discussed politics with you, but on the occasions that I have talked to you it's been pretty interesting (although we always seem to completely misunderstand each other).

Sino my old friend! How are you.

I sometimes find what you say irrating to the extent i wanted murder you with piece of lead pipe...

But, your cool...

*Bashes with lead pipe*

I disagree with everything you say, especially your views on social issues such as homosexuality and all that.

Especially drugs.

There aren't a lot of Chinese around. You're one of those active enough to make me notice, but to be honest, I haven't been interacting with you too often, lol.

We could change that.

That solely depends on my free time available to deal with this hunk of junk called NS.

(You sometimes sound just like my evil twin from the mirror universe! :eek: )

Evil twin? I'm certainly not German to begin with, so no.

You're a complete opposite when it comes to politics. However, we both strive for similiar beliefs, so never the less, you're more of a teacher. An uber Conservative teacher.

You're a complete opposite when it comes to politics. However, we both strive for similiar beliefs, so never the less, you're more of a teacher. An uber Conservative teacher.

Teacher? I did come from a family of teachers. However, I rather see myself as the field officer or the concentration camp commandant.

From what I can tell, you are a fascist.

LOL, and I would be a Concentration camp victim..

LOL, and I would be a Concentration camp victim..

Not if we have cured you in the first place.

From what I can tell, you are a fascist.

From what I can tell, I am certainly not. I do not support the fascist economy of businesses allowed to operate solely due to government backing. I would much prefer a free market economy.

From what I can tell, anyone who is not supportive of your subhuman anarcho-communist views are fascists.

I'm not gay, I'm not really a commie, just a Centrist-Liberal, and I support Gradual reunification of Taiwan and China.

I'm not gay, I'm not really a commie, just a Centrist-Liberal, and I support Gradual reunification of Taiwan and China.

It's the other views you RP with that disturb me.

You weren't the one who drank too much at the office party, were you?

You weren't the one who drank too much at the office party, were you?

I haven't drank in nearly a decade.

Finally! I've found something more worthwhile than NS!

Finally! I've found something more worthwhile than NS!I don't want to know what it is...

Wow Czardas has the last post in Sinos thread and Sino has the last in Czardas's.

You sir are a Troll! :p

Wow Czardas has the last post in Sinos thread and Sino has the last in Czardas's.

You sir are a Troll! :pNo, I'm not! :( I'm a flamer! How dare you suggest that I am simply a lowly troll!

((I realize you weren't talking to me. Of course I'm not a troll. It's beneath my dignity.;)))

I don't want to know what it is...

I'm heading a group project to create a solution for the helpers of tetraplegics to aid the process of transfering the disabled from wheelchairs to a car seat. This will be a very insightful design experience regardless of my engineering specialization.

With a post count reaching nearly 5000 and an increased presence in the general forum, it makes me wonder, how does the forum view me. I know that I hold rather extreme views in comparison, which can lead to misunderstanding.

Please feel free to comment about me, as I keep my mind open.Starting one of these threads? You've been here 2 years, you don't need to! :p

I'm heading a group project to create a solution for the helpers of tetraplegics to aid the process of transfering the disabled from wheelchairs to a car seat. This will be a very insightful design experience regardless of my engineering specialization.

That’s interesting. Because one the other groups besides Jews in the concentration camps were the handicapped.

What views disturb you? Well, that's great! You disturb me, I disturb you.

By the way, about that group prject, I hope you suceed. My grandma's paralyzed, and so on, and hearing that it may further benefit the disabled and humanity is very nice to know. You must enjoy your work.

That’s interesting. Because one the other groups besides Jews in the concentration camps were the handicapped.

I've got nothing against tetraplegics. I doubt that the Nazis sent the physically disabled into the camps. Although, they did send the mentally unfit there. I agree that those with serious inheritable physical or mental disabilities should not breed (to keep the gene pool free of such defects).

No, I'm not! :( I'm a flamer! How dare you suggest that I am simply a lowly troll!

((I realize you weren't talking to me. Of course I'm not a troll. It's beneath my dignity.;)))
Please you thought i was talking to you how purile!
I dont think you could handle trolling your pathetic. ;)

Starting one of these threads? You've been here 2 years, you don't need to! :p

90+% of my posts were made in the RP forums.

Liu, I am afraid they did send the disabled. I'm not sure whther they are disabled soldiers or enemies, it would still taint the nazi image.

I think they should be allowed to adopt?

90+% of my posts were made in the RP forums.Ah. *nods*

Please you thought i was talking to you how purile!
I dont think you could handle trolling your pathetic. ;) Oh, I can handle trolling all right, no matter what you New Zealander scumbags think...damn crazy country, it spawned such idiots. ;)

Please do not take this post seriously. ~Czardas

Actually the Nazis tried to weed out the Handicapped,Mentally Retarded,Gays,Jews,Slavs and Gypsys if i missed the minority you belong to go cry somewhere else.
Oh yes and New Zealanders lived in Trees! :)

You know, with Sino a free market Fasicest, and most of the rest of NS liberal, its no wonder that this has devolved in to a flame war.

Ah. *nods*

Oh, I can handle trolling all right, no matter what you New Zealander scumbags think...damn crazy country, it spawned such idiots. ;)

Please do not take this post seriously. ~Czardas
You Miserable swine thinking your better than me BAh i spit on you you Coward are Worse than the French!

Heck if you took all the Idiots out of New Zealand and sent them to your Fart weasel of a Country the IQ's of both Nations would improve.!! :D

And whats more is this not your first nation?-You weakling you should have honed your trolling powers by now.

Sino is a decent rper

You Miserable swine thinking your better than me BAh i spit on you you Coward are Worse than the French!

Heck if you took all the Idiots out of New Zealand and sent them to your Fart weasel of a Country the IQ's of both Nations would improve.!! :D

And whats more is this not your first nation?-You weakling you should have honed your trolling powers by now.

Sino is a decent rperYou don't even know where I live. Hah, I'm not even telling you. If I went to your country the nation's average IQ would improve by a whole lot! Your lack of capitalization and proper punctuation prove that you are completely typical for your country!

And my first nation got deleted for trolling! So there! ;)

Yeah, isn't he? I love fake flamewars.

Liu, I am afraid they did send the disabled. I'm not sure whther they are disabled soldiers or enemies, it would still taint the nazi image.

I think they should be allowed to adopt?

Those who were born disabled had to worry. The handicapped through accident were not part of the plan. And please do not confuse the T4 Adult Euthenasia program with the Holocaust. The first use of gas (CO) chambers were used for euthenasia, it was out off this program that transformed concentration camps into death camps, then the Jews were brought in.

I may have agreed to some groups being sent to the camps but I've never expressed support in killing them. The camps were suppose to be places of detention at first, it was not until 1941 that the Nazis considered using them as centers of systematic genocide. In fact, the nature of the inmates and the action carried out in those camps were almost identical to Stalin's gulags.

What an effective ego-trip thread, eh?

You know, with Sino a free market Fasicest, and most of the rest of NS liberal, its no wonder that this has devolved in to a flame war.
What is a "Fasicest"?

Fascists from Mussolini to Hitler loathed free market consumerism as shallow diversions to the aims to the State. I support consumerism, that does not make me a fascist.

Oh yes and New Zealanders lived in Trees! :)

That was said by Hitler in '37 and we proved him wrong in Crete.

Oh, I can handle trolling all right, no matter what you New Zealander scumbags think...damn crazy country, it spawned such idiots. ;)


I wasn't born in NZ.

I wasn't born in NZ.Nor was I. And I wasn't even talking to you, I was talking to Harlesburg.

I think they should be allowed to adopt?

"Are mentally and physically handicapped people actually able to take care of children sufficiently?" is the question that should be asked. In many cases if they can't take care of themselves, an adoption will only hinder the child.

By the way, about that group prject, I hope you suceed. My grandma's paralyzed, and so on, and hearing that it may further benefit the disabled and humanity is very nice to know. You must enjoy your work.

Don't get too excited, boy. It's purely an educational exercise. Our idea is probably patented. I sure enjoy my work, solving problems give me a sense of accomplishment. Engineering is a very noble profession.

Those who were born disabled had to worry. The handicapped through accident were not part of the plan. And please do not confuse the T4 Adult Euthenasia program with the Holocaust. The first use of gas (CO) chambers were used for euthenasia, it was out off this program that transformed concentration camps into death camps, then the Jews were brought in.

I may have agreed to some groups being sent to the camps but I've never expressed support in killing them. The camps were suppose to be places of detention at first, it was not until 1941 that the Nazis considered using them as centers of systematic genocide. In fact, the nature of the inmates and the action carried out in those camps were almost identical to Stalin's gulags.

So you think people should be imprisoned for beliefs and/or race?
Besides, I’m not letting you get away with that. You originally said that that you thought certain groups belonged in the camps, in repose to my statement that Hitler had to kill millions to accomplish his goals.

So you think people should be imprisoned for beliefs and/or race?

If certain beliefs are contrary to what is acceptable by the State, then sure, they need to be kept away from harming the rest of society. Race however, is not an excuse for persecution.

I'm sure that if you're the dictator, I'd be in a camp because my beliefs are different to yours. It's the same case when suspected terrorists are held without trial in Guantanamo in exposed little cages. Some of them have yet to be proven guilty, but they are thrown in with the worst. Makes sense, this American hypocrisy.

Sino, you need to change the opening paragraph of this topic, you now have 5,003 posts...

If certain beliefs are contrary to what is acceptable by the State, then sure, they need to be kept away from harming the rest of society. Race however, is not an excuse for persecution.

I'm sure that if you're the dictator, I'd be in a camp because my beliefs are different to yours. It's the same case when suspected terrorists are held without trial in Guantanamo in exposed little cages. Some of them have yet to be proven guilty, but they are thrown in with the worst. Makes sense, this American hypocrisy.

First off, I highly doubt the human rights violations being claimed about Guantanamo, but I’ve always felt its a waste of money to hold foreign nationals like that. Deportation would be best. The actions of my country are not my actions.

Second, I wouldn’t ever want to be a dictator.

And what if being a certain race is contrary to the state‘s ideals?

Also, Sion, if you disagree with the state and therefore must be taken away, then how does culture exist? If all the state allows to live are people who think one way, do one way, be one way, wheres the interest in living. You can say hi to your carbon copy personality walking with you to the factory. Something tells me you like 1984 and its ideals.

Makes sense, this American hypocrisy.

Yes it does as a matter of fact.

Also

I stand corrected as you are apparently popular enough that this thread is still alive and thriving. :headbang:

Second, I wouldn’t ever want to be a dictator.

Don't be so sure, we all have fantasies for power; although I prefer to live in the real world.

And what if being a certain race is contrary to the state‘s ideals.

No race can be viewed with absolutism. The actions of individuals or certain individuals or groups cannot taint an entire race, which is why offended need to be dealt with on a case by case basis. It is a sad fact that the actions of a few can sometimes lead to generalizations being made about that race, one example being how Arabs are stereotyped as terrorists because of the actions of some of their extreme few.

(Why does hearing my opinions fascinate you?)

Don't be so sure, we all have fantasies for power; although I prefer to live in the real world.


And yet you are here?

I stand corrected as you are apparently popular enough that this thread is still alive and thriving. :headbang:

I don't understand why I'm a source of interest in so little time.

And yet you are here?

If there's a choice between dictator and engineer, I'd pick the second option. Too much stress being a powerful man, it wears down health.

Lol

Your of so much interest because it is open season on you. We can either tell you your stupid, tell you your great, or ask your oppinion. And your well known, notice my thread is not doing nearly as well.

Sino, you need to change the opening paragraph of this topic, you now have 5,003 posts...

I rather leave it as it is. Let that be a reminder of the post growth.

Your of so much interest because it is open season on you. We can either tell you your stupid, tell you your great, or ask your oppinion. And your well known, notice my thread is not doing nearly as well.

It's good that this is the internet, I'd hate to be blinded by all the camera flashlights everyday. That's one reason why being a celebrity is a curse.

It's good that this is the internet, I'd hate to be blinded by all the camera flashlights everyday. That's one reason why being a celebrity is a curse.

*bashes*

Don't be so sure, we all have fantasies for power; although I prefer to live in the real world.

My “fantasies” of that nature revolve around people living their lives as they wish without interference from the government, as long as they don’t directly harm others. Dictatorship is not compatible with that.

(Why does hearing my opinions fascinate you?)

Because your ideology is one of the few that I would call evil.
I mean come on. You’re ridiculous. At least communists favor the state over the individual to create an unattainable equality. You just like it because you want to force everybody (or have someone else force everybody) into a hierarchy that you approve of. That is detestable.

Also, Sion, if you disagree with the state and therefore must be taken away, then how does culture exist? If all the state allows to live are people who think one way, do one way, be one way, wheres the interest in living. You can say hi to your carbon copy personality walking with you to the factory. Something tells me you like 1984 and its ideals.

1984 isn't one of my favorite books. I loathe that society depicted. Orwell also did not provide enough details about it. If I'm a dictator, I would model my rule on Singapore, I rather be a benevolent father figure than a madman. In fact, I admire the Singaporean style of government.

There's a fine line between disagreements/criticism and being completely against what the State stands for. It is a patriot's duty to criticize the actions of his government. Criticism absorbed lead to improvements. The groups that deserve to be punished are those that are openly against the very aims of the State or that their conduct brings the State great shame.

I believe that many are capable of rehabilitation, so it is vital that corrections result from punishment. Remember the words on the gate of Dachau- "Work sets you free." I don't support the use of killings and I'm an advocate of forced labor. Not only does their work contribute to the economy, it also provides a tool for them to reflect on their actions.

You just like it because you want to force everybody (or have someone else force everybody) into a hierarchy that you approve of. That is detestable.

I believe that all citizens should rally together and work to strengthen their country in all aspects. Nationalism is not evil. I believe the individual has rights to do whatever he or she wants provided that his actions do not bring the State into shame.

"Work as one! Fight as one! Win as one!"

- Sino

I believe that all citizens should rally together and work to strengthen their country in all aspects. Nationalism is not evil. I believe the individual has rights to do whatever he or she wants provided that his actions do not bring the State into shame.

Interesting....

Interesting....

I could write a whole book about it, but it might get mistaken for the English translation of 'Mein Kampf'. LOL!

(That's all folks! I need to get that wheelchair project sorted before I come back.)

Finally! I've found something more worthwhile than NS!
I do want to know what it is?

I don't understand why I'm a source of interest in so little time.
EH?

If there's a choice between dictator and engineer, I'd pick the second option. Too much stress being a powerful man, it wears down health.
What type of engineer, cause some are powerful in the aspect that if they are wrong and no one catches it until a stress fracture later then people are dead.

Perhaps I fail to tell you that I've been living in the West for 10 years.

You sure left that one out!

With a post count reaching nearly 5000 and an increased presence in the general forum, it makes me wonder, how does the forum view me. I know that I hold rather extreme views in comparison, which can lead to misunderstanding.

Please feel free to comment about me, as I keep my mind open.

Hmm, I can't actually remember any of your posts... so far I like you though, there's nothing wrong with having some extreme views... as long as they don't contradict mine ;)

NAh, I have no opinion of you but I'll keep a look out...

That was said by Hitler in '37 and we proved him wrong in Crete.
Yep around 52% Casulties for German Paras!LOL
Thoe only ones in trees were Fallscirmjager and they were stuck by their chutes.

Yep around 52% Casulties for German Paras!LOL
Thoe only ones in trees were Fallscirmjager and they were stuck by their chutes.

eh? :confused:

eh? :confused:
the Germans had 3(?) Airbourne Divisions on Crete and from British Aussie Kiwi Greek And Cretan Women folk with Scythes inflicted about 52% casulties on the invaders.
This action caused hitler to forbid their Use i nlarge scale operations ever again.
and Model(?) was 1 Junior Officers Report of putting a Cap in his head if the mission failed.

German deployment of paratroops became very limited after the Crete experience. They feared a repeat of the bloodbath on such an elite force despite the alleged superiority. Did I mention that Creforce did not have sufficient air power but they still managed to give the Germans a hard time? It was a pity that the only bomb run conducted by the RAF from Malta had too few planes.

One major tactical flaw of the paratroops was the separation between personnel and equipment drops. Without heavier weapons, their initially small numbers could be quickly wiped out by the defenders, leaving their equipment to be captured.

Two years ago, I did a high school history project on Crete, but I can't barely remember much about it, other than two figures of German soldiers I saw at the Army Museum while I was gathering information.

What type of engineer, cause some are powerful in the aspect that if they are wrong and no one catches it until a stress fracture later then people are dead.

Civil engineer.

EH?

Why have I become so interesting?

Why have I become so interesting?

Well, personally, you scare me.

Well, personally, you scare me.

White people are easily scared and succumb to fear much quicker, as observed in the aftermath of a violent event. I suppose their culture supports exhibiting feelings and emotions as often as possible.

Well, I didn't have much of an opinion before one or two days ago.
I've had a number of Chinese friends over the years, and two of them had very nationalistic views, especially compared to my more internationalist opinions.
But I get along with them.

But then there is another part to you that I really cannot stand. And that is your sick Nazi-philia. Some people all around the world seem fascinated by those 12 years. And I find that deplorable.
Those years have destroyed my country completely and utterly, and they will remain a stain on us for a thousand years. That anyone from another nation should come to admire these psychopaths, than that is not even funny anymore, that is just sorry.

Marx was a race-traitor? Everyone who was in the death camps deserved to be there, except the Jews? Hitler is your personal hero?
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Don't think I don't notice.

Other than that, we're cool.

White people are easily scared and succumb to fear much quicker, as observed in the aftermath of a violent event. I suppose their culture supports exhibiting feelings and emotions as often as possible.

Care to elaborate your bigotry? Or possibly care to consider that we are not as accustomed to violent events as the East?

Care to elaborate your bigotry? Or possibly care to consider that we are not as accustomed to violent events as the East?

From my many experiences around them, whenever they react to seeing something violent or gruesome, even on films, they over react. I don't think the East of today is extreme on the violent scale. It's common for many countries there not to have a rating system for violent media content.

My father once witnessed the public excution of murderer when he was an adolescent. He thought "Tough shit! The bastard deserved it." I wish public executions for some of society's worst still continue.

White people are easily scared and succumb to fear much quicker, as observed in the aftermath of a violent event. I suppose their culture supports exhibiting feelings and emotions as often as possible.

Now that is due to the political correctness that seems to be enroaching on all aspects of western society. The PC politicians have created a weak society, a society where murderers in prison are paid hundreds of thousands for "hurt feelings", schools don't awards prizes in sports events to avoid hurting children's feelings, and radio personalities can't joke without hurting the "feelings" of a minority group.

My friend, the liberal virus is wiping out the human spirit. The pursuit of absolute equality is the destruction of excellence!

PC is suppose to mean Personal Computer.

My friend, the liberal virus is wiping out the human spirit. The pursuit of absolute equality is the destruction of excellence!
You know what.
I think you have absolutely no idea what it is like in the East. How old are you? 19? 20?
You said you lived in the West for 10 years.
After only about 4 years here I already see it quite clearly: If you live as an "exile", you tend to build your own perfect image of your home. Everything bad that happens in your new home - "wouldn't have happened in China!"
So you created this idealised image of China for yourself, and worse than that, you managed to create your own little superiority complex. I hope you'll be done with your studies soon, so you can go back and see that no one thinks you're special at all anymore. You are no more excellent than me or anyone else.
Your racial stereotypes do become tiring quite quickly.

From my many experiences around them, whenever they react to seeing something violent or gruesome, even on films, they over react. I don't think the East of today is extreme on the violent scale. It's common for many countries there not to have a rating system for violent media content.

I see nothing wrong with finding violence disgusting. In modern society, such callousness is hardly necessary, and should invoke a healthy revulsion. I see no practical reason for the tolerance of violence.

My friend, the liberal virus is wiping out the human spirit. The pursuit of absolute equality is the destruction of excellence!

True liberality has nothing to do with equality. It has everything to do with allowing people the freedom to live their lives in the way they see fit.

Edit: Besides equality under the law that is.

From my many experiences around them [white people], whenever they react to seeing something violent or gruesome, even on films, they over react. I don't think the East of today is extreme on the violent scale. It's common for many countries there not to have a rating system for violent media content.

You've watched too much American TV, which simplifies and accentuates emotions in the Hollywood tradition.

Oh yeah, Nazi'ism is bad yah?

My friend, the liberal virus is wiping out the human spirit. The pursuit of absolute equality is the destruction of excellence!

PC is suppose to mean Personal Computer.

What about the persuit of equal (maximum for all) oppertunities to excel?

Equality does not equate to mediocrity, or to use an analogy, is only allowing Men the vote superior to also allowing Female enfranchisement?

PC == Police Constable ;)

Honestly speaking your political views scare me sometimes but I don't like to force my own views on you and thus I respect your views, no matter how much it scares me.

Your a good Rper as well, i like reading your stuff but honestly i think your abit too stiff, you really should learn to relax abit. I know school is tough and all that but one really should learn to sit down and just....relax.


Thats all...I think. And btw the Sinodefence Website is a good read.

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Two years ago, I did a high school history project on Crete, but I can't barely remember much about it, other than two figures of German soldiers I saw at the Army Museum while I was gathering information.
yeah 4th,5th Brigade 7700(NZ) 19th+3 Battalions 6500(Oz) 5000-6000(brits)
A few Greeks around 20000 capable of fighting out of 42000 Total but the Cretens had their Pitchforks and any Germans found it out.

Germans 30000-35000(10000 by sea 12000 Para rest glider bourne)

Little Heavy Weapons No Tanks Or Transport.
Actually 3 Tanks in NZ service.
I think it was 4 Hurricanes and a few Gladiators to defend the Island

Some Old French and Italian Artillary pieces were landed but they didnt all have gunsights or Ammo.

NZ casulties 671 killed 967 Wounded 2180 Captured(488 Wounded including Sandy Thomas).3818 total

Allies in total 15337 including 1742 Killed.
Royal Navy lost 9 ships sunk 8 damaged.2000 men

After the battle Freyberg Tedder and Cunningham have a chat.

Germans 7000+killed Unknown Wounded.

NOTE: The Germans were using Explosive rounds!

Cunningham
"Freyberg i was glad when you lost Crete."
Tedder "So was I"
"From the Naval and supply position,the island could never have been held.Only a poiltician could have thought otherwise."

PC = Personal Comfort

NOTE: The Germans were using Explosive rounds!

If they're found amongst personal weapons in wartime, it would be a violation of the Hague Convention. It's legal for law enforcement, however.

If they're found amongst personal weapons in wartime, it would be a violation of the Hague Convention. It's legal for law enforcement, however.
The Germans were not bound to Hague

You know what.
I think you have absolutely no idea what it is like in the East. How old are you? 19? 20?
You said you lived in the West for 10 years.
After only about 4 years here I already see it quite clearly: If you live as an "exile", you tend to build your own perfect image of your home. Everything bad that happens in your new home - "wouldn't have happened in China!"
So you created this idealised image of China for yourself, and worse than that, you managed to create your own little superiority complex. I hope you'll be done with your studies soon, so you can go back and see that no one thinks you're special at all anymore. You are no more excellent than me or anyone else.
Your racial stereotypes do become tiring quite quickly.

I do have an idea of what the East is like, I wouldn't say that I've not returned in the recent years. China is far from perfect, it is a piece of turd that gets f*cked by the Japanese and Americans politically, and yet despite such traumatic experiences, the people fail to foster a sense of nationalism and truly rise up. China is a state riddled with corruption and injustice, underneath it's veneer of prosperity.

I have never viewed myself as special. Like everyone else, I have my strengths and weaknesses. About stereotpyes, I get tired of the White man's stereotype on Chinese people, so I have to observe and make up my own. Nothing wrong with a little harmless fun.

The Germans were not bound to Hague

I thought it was only the Japs that had that problem in the War. I guess that explains their unusually cruel treatment of Russian POWs while Western ones lived under the same condition as German POWs under Allied custody.

You've watched too much American TV, which simplifies and accentuates emotions in the Hollywood tradition.

Oh yeah, Nazi'ism is bad yah?

I watch more BBC than American TV.

Nazism is bad, that's why I mock it. (Why don't you ask Ghost of the Incans? He knows me well.)

Sino, I understand that you rp often. Care to name or link a few threads that you have been involved in?

I thought it was only the Japs that had that problem in the War. I guess that explains their unusually cruel treatment of Russian POWs while Western ones lived under the same condition as German POWs under Allied custody.
Germany had a policy of doing things that could be deemed Just by the German people.(Although Ghettos Concentration Camps etc were not part of this as 'even the german people could not accept this')

1 of the Airbourne Divisions was Luftwaffe and as an Elite(Because they were Para) they were indoctrined with the same stuff as SS and so using explosive rounds was ok.

Before Barbarossa Hitler issued Directive 4(Cant really remember number) but it basically stated traditional rules regarding POW can be ignored and any Soldier found to have commited a 'crime' may not necassarily be punished.

Guderian did not pass this directive on to his troops(Gentleman that he was)

The Guy in charge of suppressing the Warsaw Gheto was a Pole..

But then there is another part to you that I really cannot stand. And that is your sick Nazi-philia. Some people all around the world seem fascinated by those 12 years. And I find that deplorable.
Those years have destroyed my country completely and utterly, and they will remain a stain on us for a thousand years. That anyone from another nation should come to admire these psychopaths, than that is not even funny anymore, that is just sorry.

Marx was a race-traitor? Everyone who was in the death camps deserved to be there, except the Jews? Hitler is your personal hero?
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Don't think I don't notice.

Other than that, we're cool.

My interest in WWII grew out off studying it in high school, this may have influenced me to become interested in warfare, weaponry and militaria. Until recently, I have fostered an interest in WWII after coming into contact with RP'ers who are experts on the matter and the surge of TV documentaries related to the subject. Due to the nature of increasing number of veterans of that war dying, WWII has become a subject of films, games and increased research.

I am sorry that Hitler and his crazed obsessions destroyed your country, it was indeed a great human tragedy. I am intrigued by Hitler not for his racism, but for his nationalism. How did he manage to make Germany recover so quickly? If he was so crazy, how did he manage to obtain power in a rather democratic fashion? Those questions fascinate me from the day I walked out off that first lesson in high school. He was also a very enigmatic, imposing figure.

If you ask my good friend (Ghost of the Incans) who has known me for years, you might be surprised that I also mock Hitler and the Nazis as a source of light enjoyment. It is worth noting that I am not the only person who considers the image of WWII German uniforms as the best uniforms of the War in terms of style. It also suited the strong discipline of the German soldier.

Personal hero? My personal hero is actually China's Chiang Kai-shek. He redeemed himself in Taiwan and was a staunch patriot. His hardline anti-communist views also mirror mine. If Hitler is my personal hero, why am I not interested in reading his literature?

http://www.law.harvard.edu/library/collections/special/exhibitions/portrait_exhibit/Kai-shek_Chiang.jpg

Did Marx not betray the values of his race regarding entrepreneurship and working for a profit? It is a shame that one Jew had to create misery for all of mankind.

I never said that they deserved to be in the death camps. Concentration camps served as centers of correction through primarily forced labor before the "Final Solution" was drafted. They were sent there because of their political views. I don't support widespread genocide, but their custody should be a suitable punishment to their views.

Germany had a policy of doing things that could be deemed Just by the German people.(Although Ghettos Concentration Camps etc were not part of this as 'even the german people could not accept this')

It was a world of the average citizen either it not knowing about or forced to turn a blind eye.

German civilians living within the range of concentration camps were told to ignore the smell by local Party officials, who themselves may not be sure of what is responsible.

Before Barbarossa Hitler issued Directive 4(Cant really remember number) but it basically stated traditional rules regarding POW can be ignored and any Soldier found to have commited a 'crime' may not necassarily be punished.

Guderian did not pass this directive on to his troops(Gentleman that he was)

Despite that it can be ignored, Western POWs were treated far better than those from the East.

Guderian is one my favorite generals of the Wehrmacht. Hitler ignored so much of his advise during the last year of the War. Complete dismissal was made of his intel. gathered on the impeding Russian counter attack.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f4/Guderian_1.jpg

Generals that had a WWI military career before the Nazis took power tend to know a lot more about warfare than Hitler- meerly a corporal who was only a courier.

The Guy in charge of suppressing the Warsaw Gheto was a Pole..

Anyone who hated Jews was a friend of the Nazis.

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Marx in my view is no more responsible for Stalin then Darwin was for Hitler.

You seem to have an overly positive view of the idea of putting people into labour camps (and they were always more than just that, from day one) for their views.
No one should be punished for their views.

No one should be punished for their views.

Unless their views are dangerous to the prosperity and strength of the State.

It was a world of the average citizen either not knowing about or forced to turn a blind eye.
I wish you'd speak German. There is so much excellent literature about that that will probably never be translated...
Anyways, it's not true, it is so much more complex than that.

Despite that it can be ignored, Western POWs were treated far better than those from the East.
Because of the very same idea of "races" and of certain "racial characteristics" that you are putting forward when you say all Jews are capitalists and Marx is a "race traitor".
Oh, and about that, it was Socialists who were the foremost Zionists...

It was a world of the average citizen either not knowing about or forced to turn a blind eye.
Ive seen it somewhere that the German people must never know or in the distant future.


Despite that it can be ignored, Western POWs were treated far better than those from the East.
yeah my point was Kill the Slavs this Directive was for the Eastern Campaign the only times ive heard of maltreatment towards the West was partisans and NZ prisoners being treated poorly after Minqar Qaim
Guderian is one my favorite generals of the Wehrmacht. Hitler ignored so much of his advise during the last year of the War. Complete dismissal was made of his intel. gathered on the impeding Russian counter attack.



Anyone who hated Jews was a friend of the Nazis.
True but even he was too Nuball for the Nazi's and had to be killed. :D

Oh, and about that, it was Socialists who were the foremost Zionists...

Well, you learn something new every day. :)

I wish you'd speak German. There is so much excellent literature about that that will probably never be translated...
Anyways, it's not true, it is so much more complex than that.

Yeah, pity that I missed the perfect opportinuty to learn German in high school. It would aid my Wehrmacht interest considerably. Sorry to tell you that the only German I know are common Nazi sentences involving "heil". LOL!

Because of the very same idea of "races" and of certain "racial characteristics" that you are putting forward when you say all Jews are capitalists and Marx is a "race traitor".
Oh, and about that, it was Socialists who were the foremost Zionists...

Jews tended to be driven by wealth and it was almost cultural for Jews to own businesses.

Zionism cannot be tied directly to socialist Jews as the nationalistic Jew desires his homeland since their race was forced out off it. Zionism is therefore only natural for this universally oppressed people. I'm sure that the Jewish businessmen at the time would have financed Zionist operations considerably.

Whether Marx is a traitor should be left to the Jews to decide. I have yet to meet one Jew who speaks of him favorably. There is certainly no memorials or shrines to such a man in Israel.

(What is your obsession with Marx, anyway?)

I haven't heard about the details but ironically, the first case of war crimes committed on the Eastern Front was the massacre of Waffen SS captives.

(To Harl: ) Who's your favorite German general?

Jews tended to be driven by wealth and it was almost cultural for Jews to own businesses.
Race is by definition something to do with genetics. Obviously there were real-life reasons European Jews were into business rather than normal trades. The Catholic Church had forbidden it (and Luther wasn't about to end it).
You're overgeneralising by the way. Many Jews were in business, but not all of them. Academic pursuits, arts and many more trades were full of Jewish people too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Hess
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahum_Syrkin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ber_Borochov

(What is your obsession with Marx, anyway?)
Karl Marx's "On the Jewish Question"
Because Karl Marx was a Jew, some anti-Semites promote the idea that communism was part of a Jewish conspiracy. An atheist as an adult, Marx was raised as a Lutheran, his father converting when Marx was a child in order to escape anti-Semitism.

Marx himself has been accused of being an anti-Semite, though most critical scholars today tend to reject this argument.1 In "On the Jewish Question," he wrote: "What is the worldly cult of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money."; and continues, "[t]he social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism." [2] These passages are often cited by those who accuse Marx of anti-Semitism, but these attempts may distort Marx's work by lifting quotes out of context. For example, a line often omitted by such proponents within the passage cited above, is that Marx was addressing "not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew."

Marx linked what he saw as the overrepresentative (as an ethnic group) role played by Jews in finance and banking not to any inherent Jewish trait, but rather, to an acculturation brought about by hundreds of years of medieval laws, which placed restrictions on the type of labor Jews were permitted to engage in. He expresses a tone of near-sarcastic admiration for Jews who succeeded under capitalism, despite (and arguably, because of) the hindrances they endured by anti-Semitic laws (especially economic ones), and attitudes.

With a measure of irony, Marx goes on to link the emancipation of Jews to an emancipation from capitalism. Still, his focus was not on the Jewish religion, but rather on the (worldly) Jews' particular economic legacy and its material manifestations as directly related to a division of labor imposed on Jews since medieval times; that is, as a direct product of capitalist and precapitalist development.

Many Zionist socialist Jews agreed with Marx on this point and, expanding on his ideas, viewed the emancipation and retention of the identity of Jews (positively) as inexorably tied to a reversal of their economic history. These Zionist socialists, particularly associated with, but not confined to, the Kibbutz movement, went on to define and practise physical (and especially agrarian) labor, which for centuries had been denied to Jews, as a necessary form of 'purification' from their past economic legacy, which, like Marx, they viewed negatively. While most of these Zionist socialist Jews were pronouncedly secular (even anti-clerical), unlike Marx they retained a strong sense of their identity as Jews.

From Wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roots_of_anti-Semitism#Karl_Marx.27s_.22On_the_Jewish_Question.22

My obsession is just in so forth that his theories have advanced Philosophy and Economics a great deal. Many of his suggestions have been taken very seriously, and live on in today's Social Democrats.
I'm against anyone demonising him the way you do.

You're overgeneralising by the way. Many Jews were in business, but not all of them. Academic pursuits, arts and many more trades were full of Jewish people too

I am aware that a number of them were very talented in other careers, but it's business that I'd say they're best at as a people. They were certainly very clever businessmen and traders.

I'm against anyone demonising him the way you do.

With a range of demonic disciples from Lenin, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc. Is he so saintly?

I'm off for the night. At least you people have stopped comparing me to Hitler.

I haven't heard about the details but ironically, the first case of war crimes committed on the Eastern Front was the massacre of Waffen SS captives.

(To Harl: ) Who's your favorite German general?

Well Sino that dosent include the Lovely Russians sorting out the Poles in the Forrest.

Well i like Rommel,Guderian,Ramke(2nd Fallschirmjäger Division-it of a lunatic and had Stainless Steel Dentures.)Manstien(Obviously A Polish Jew)Sepp Dietrich(May have been SS but he was alright)

Overall id say Rommel sure he may have disrespected Logistics and always gets bagged by everyone for it he had this courage to attack when outnumbered(Got punished in Tunisa for it) and he may have only really known Attack in the Dessert he still used 88's to great effect leading british Armour into traps.

His organisation of Normandy was excellent as well.

Because people bag him ill stick with him.

Like Rommel Guderian got punished for not having friends in the staff and with Borman and another filtering what Hitler recieved it was almost impossibly to get what they wanted.

Of course Himmler was the worst.

With a range of demonic disciples from Lenin, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc. Is he so saintly?
He never liked to be called a Marxist. I reckon you should take five or so minutes and read the whole Wikipedia entry about Marx. It's a bit of text but it gives a pretty good idea about what he did and wrote.
He was first and foremost a Philosopher. He had his thoughts, and came to the conclusion that Capitalism must self-destroy.
He was right in my opinion, for the very problems that he mentioned still exist, and usually can only be solved with interventionist (read: socialist) policies.
And one interesting point of his hasn't actually been proven right or wrong just yet...what does happen to us when machines have replaced all our jobs? Where do we work then? And who buys all that stuff that is being made?

Race is by definition something to do with genetics. Obviously there were real-life reasons European Jews were into business rather than normal trades. The Catholic Church had forbidden it (and Luther wasn't about to end it).
You're overgeneralising by the way. Many Jews were in business, but not all of them. Academic pursuits, arts and many more trades were full of Jewish people too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Hess
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahum_Syrkin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ber_Borochov
It was and is unChristian to expect Interest for a loan to a fellow Christian.
Christians couldnt count so Wencelas invited Jews to enter his country as they were good with numbers.

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In his "On the Jews and Their Lies", he repeatedly quotes the words of Jesus in Matthew 12:34, where Jesus called the Jewish religious leaders (Pharisees) of his day "a brood of vipers and children of the devil". In the book, written three years before his death, he recommended that Jewish synagogues and schools be burned, their homes destroyed, their writings be confiscated, their rabbis be forbidden to teach, their travel be restricted, that lending money be outlawed for them and that they be forced to earn their wages in farming. Finally, if they were bitter about this, Luther advised they be exiled.

And one interesting point of his hasn't actually been proven right or wrong just yet...what does happen to us when machines have replaced all our jobs? Where do we work then? And who buys all that stuff that is being made?

What does Marx propose for this? Personally, I think of the man as a product of his times. In his lifetime, the worker- which he certainly wasn’t, by the way- really was being exploited, but we have moved past that now in the developed world, possibly because of his ideas. They are good in small doses, very small doses. Anyway, he certainly isn’t a traitor to his race. To say such things is foolish.

In his "On the Jews and Their Lies", he repeatedly quotes the words of Jesus in Matthew 12:34, where Jesus called the Jewish religious leaders (Pharisees) of his day "a brood of vipers and children of the devil". In the book, written three years before his death, he recommended that Jewish synagogues and schools be burned, their homes destroyed, their writings be confiscated, their rabbis be forbidden to teach, their travel be restricted, that lending money be outlawed for them and that they be forced to earn their wages in farming. Finally, if they were bitter about this, Luther advised they be exiled.
Thanks i imagine thats Luther?
Im not a big fan of his.

What does Marx propose for this?
Well, he just more or less listed it as one of his reasons for why Capitalism would fail. His proposition was the worker's revolt that would lead to a Socialist state, which would then maybe eventually become a Communist society.

Personally, I think of the man as a product of his times.
That was also one topic he looked at. He was a materialist, so he didn't believe in much of a spiritual world, and so he had very worldly ideas for why a person is the way he/she is.
And one important thing there is that he thought that your work, your labour is part of who you are. So that someone else "owns" your labour, as was common then, means that it really is slavery in a sense, and very detrimental to the individual.
So that is why it is so ironic when people criticise Communism with "you can't keep the fruits your own labour..."

Anyways, here is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx

Sino don't ignore me! :p

Sino has been DEATED.

You... frighten me. But, you're a very good roleplayer.

And I know more about WWII than you. =3

I hate you. (See "If your daughter..." thread for reasons why.)

Oh yes and New Zealanders lived in Trees! :)

and have sex with sheep. do you know the joke about the new zealander in the shoe shop?

Sino has been DEATED.

For what?

yeah, that's weird.