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Have you ever watched a TV show, or read a novel series, or followed a movie story, and just wanted to claw the eyes out of the author for killing off (or otherwise removing) a character? Some person who brings something good to the series, the pretty character or the emotional person or the smart one, something that's not shared by anybody else. Or even if they're no different from the other characters, they're still nice and bring something crucial that wasn't there before. Well, finally, a place for you to bitch about it where somebody else might actually read it, instead of your family and friends giving you dirty looks 'cause you won't shut up about it. So, let us know who you think really should have been kept around.

For me, it's Dr. Janet Frasier (Played by Teryl Rothery) on Stargate: SG1. First off, she brought a non-military character to the fore-front. She was the only frequently recurring character who wasn't a front-line soldier, didn't see combat on any regular basis, or had some basis in a non-military profession. Daniel Jackson, an archaeologist, sees more action than most Marines. Samantha Carter, an astrophysicist, is also an Air-Force officer with the military training and experience to back it up. Jack O'neil is a normal soldier, as is George Hammond (though he's a bit past field duty). Janet brought variety to the show.

Secondly, she was a friend to Samantha Carter. Outside of Pete (Who I'd also have loved to see in more episodes) she is the only person to have interacted with Carter in anything approaching a normal situtation. They were pals beyond merely 'work friends' (As she was with Jack, Teal'c, and Daniel), they were together when not on the base and did normal things together. It brought depth to an otherwise two-dimensional character (All Sam did was work and, whenever she did non-work things, it was because of some extraordinary situation).

Third, she was just an interesting person. I mean come on, being a single mother to a teenage daughter is hard enough (Just watching my own mom makes me feel tired), but make that daughter a genetically modified alien whose entire civilization was wiped out by Nirrti and you get a whole new level added on. She's also one of the worlds brightest doctors, a pioneer in her field, and a nice person.

So, who do you think should have been kept around?

In the Forgotten realms series, i got really pissed when Wulfgar was killed by the yochol. but then like 3 books later he was revived, so its all good, but i was pissed when i first read the part where he died.

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agreed... Fraiser was a cool character.

what they should do, is if O'Neill (2 L's) is now a desk jocky, bring in an alien to replace him... those reptillian critters that the Gould used before humans were discovered for instance.

People die, an author who gets rid of a beloved character is a good author. Face it, you aren’t going to care if its somebody you hate or don’t care about to much.

You're behind the times, Jack's been a desk jockey for nearly a full season now and he's already been replaced. Originally Carter was simply promoted to Lieutenant Colonel and SG:1 was kept at three people, but in the new season (which started three days ago on Friday) Lieutenant Colonel Cameron Mitchell (Played by Ben Browder of Farscape fame) has been transferred to the SGC and placed in command of SG1.

I was angry with the X-Files. David Duchovny was a greedy little shit who ruined the last two seasons by barely being there. And then they brought in the Terminator. And some other woman who was on the show for, gratefully, only a short while.

And Star Trek: TNG pissed me off with killing that one woman early in season one or two. I didn't like her though. I just didn't like the idea of Star Trek being so assertive :p

<weeps for most of the characters in gantz>
why didn't anyone tell me the point of it was that all the characters die before i started watching it and got attached to the characters

Wolf Larsen in Jack London's Sea-Wolf.
Not a likable man, but interesting...

It doesn't annoy me as much. I've done it myself. One story I wrote features three major characters for the whole story; then they disappear in the epilogue (get killed off? altered?) which is about two other characters discussing these as events that occurred 50 years ago. There were a few stories in which I wanted a dead character to survive, but on rereading as a more mature and older individual, I realize that their deaths were necessary.

Fraiser was great, and I wasn't happy when she died. I can't think of any others right now.

Sirius Black was dead sexy. *weeps and weeps*

Jesus getting killed pissed me off. That was the ultimate shaft. I wanted to claw the author's eyes out, but then I realized it was God who came up with the whole idea and decided against it after reading about what he did to people who touched the Ark of the Covenant.

Another one was the X-Files. Mulder was cool, but they replaced him with that lousy Agent Dogget (Yay for another prefabricated cop/agent personality).

You're behind the times, Jack's been a desk jockey for nearly a full season now and he's already been replaced. Originally Carter was simply promoted to Lieutenant Colonel and SG:1 was kept at three people, but in the new season (which started three days ago on Friday) Lieutenant Colonel Cameron Mitchell (Played by Ben Browder of Farscape fame) has been transferred to the SGC and placed in command of SG1.
Didn't know that...

they should bring back Claudia Black's galactic Theif then... :D

I'll take it I was the only happy one when Janet died? I tend to dislike the doctors in some sci-fi programs...

Someone that sholdn't have been killed off so quickly was One, he rocked!

Marcus Cole in Babylon 5. He sacrificed himself to save Susan's (Ivanova) life, and that's just about the most impossible choice one could make. Both Susan and Marcus were incredibly deep characters (Characteristic of B5), and to have either of them die was a horrible prospect. But, Marcus died with nobility and knowing it was worth the trade, and Susan continued to have an illustrious role in the military and later an important role in Sheridan's fledgling nation. But damn if he wasn't cool. =(

Another chatacter I was sad to see die was the Centauri, Minister Virini. He wasn't a pivotal figure, but he struck me as one of the very few Centauri who had good intentions and was constrained by circumstance. Very likeable character.

Ok, almost all the character deaths I'm upset about are in Babylon 5. And the absence of them, too. Oooh, how I want to see Bester burn. *seethes*

But yes, Dr. Frasier's death was pretty sad as well. It was a very good episode, though.

But yes, Dr. Frasier's death was pretty sad as well. It was a very good episode, though.

Oh, no question there. I almost (Stress the 'almost') teared up, it was phenominally done (Unlike Daniel Jacksons first 'death', which was actually on earlier today, where I just kinda wanted him to Ascend already).

JuNii, do you mean Vala? Yeah, she's back, too. Right now her and Jackson have ancient Goa'uld prison bands on and, if they seperate for any period of time, they both grow sick and die.

Oh, no question there. I almost (Stress the 'almost') teared up, it was phenominally done (Unlike Daniel Jacksons first 'death', which was actually on earlier today, where I just kinda wanted him to Ascend already).

JuNii, do you mean Vala? Yeah, she's back, too. Right now her and Jackson have ancient Goa'uld prison bands on and, if they seperate for any period of time, they both grow sick and die.
LOL... thanks for giving me a reason to start watching that show again. :D

In 24, this past season - if anyone watched that - they killed off the wife/matriarch of the terrorist family, Dina Araz. That character was wonderful! She was evil, efficient, and she believed in her cause, although she loved her son enough to give it up for him (he wasn't worth it.) And she DIED! I was angry.

actually... when it comes to Deaths of Characters...

The one that brings tears to my eyes is actually in a comic book series.

"Crisis on Infinate Earths"
and the death is Kara... the original SuperGirl.

no other Character death comes close.

For those of us with the latest harry potter book, I'm surprised to see that nobody has said anything about the VERY major character dying (I'm not going to spoil it). I didn't really care, but I'm sure they had some fans out there...

For those of us with the latest harry potter book, I'm surprised to see that nobody has said anything about the VERY major character dying (I'm not going to spoil it). I didn't really care, but I'm sure they had some fans out there...

For those of us with the latest harry potter book, I'm surprised to see that nobody has said anything about the VERY major character dying (I'm not going to spoil it). I didn't really care, but I'm sure they had some fans out there...

For those of us with the latest harry potter book, I'm surprised to see that nobody has said anything about the VERY major character dying (I'm not going to spoil it). I didn't really care, but I'm sure they had some fans out there...
for me... that character's death is necessary for the story to move on.

In 24, this past season - if anyone watched that - they killed off the wife/matriarch of the terrorist family, Dina Araz. That character was wonderful! She was evil, efficient, and she believed in her cause, although she loved her son enough to give it up for him (he wasn't worth it.) And she DIED! I was angry.

What? Great, and I was starting to get into the new series of 24. At least you didn't tell me about what is inside the briefcase.

everytime i watch an period action movie my favourite character dies

wwaaaaaaaaaaa :mad: :mp5:

for me... that character's death is necessary for the story to move on.Yeah, me too, and I haven't even read the book! :eek:

What? Great, and I was starting to get into the new series of 24. At least you didn't tell me about what is inside the briefcase.

Marcellus Wallace's soul. (Haven't seen the new season of 24. Just taking a stab in the dark here.)

Didn't know that...

they should bring back Claudia Black's galactic Theif then... :D
she is becomnig a main character best I can tell, I think she will replace some one on SG1 as the regular set of guys after browder's cahracter replaced o'neill

I'll take it I was the only happy one when Janet died? I tend to dislike the doctors in some sci-fi programs...

Someone that sholdn't have been killed off so quickly was One, he rocked!
Nope not the only one. She never fit in as part of the overall story line in my opinion, however, she might have found a place in general hospital at one time.

Dr. Janet Frasier (Played by Teryl Rothery) on Stargate: SG1... was a friend to Samantha Carter ... an interesting person.
Plus she was really, really cute! :D

I completly agree Fraser kicked Arse!
Whren she died it was a tragedy i couldnt believe it.
Also that Blonde Chick(Lindse/ay?) from Tru Calling and the Boyfriend from Tru Calling.

Many more i canna remember.
Maude Flanders deserved it!

Being a writer, I can say that killing a character is the hardest thing I have to do. After I've worked with this guy or gal for three hundred pages, exerpts, and bloopers, I hate that final scene.

I mean, I know the guy! He's really a good guy, he's got some problems, but he could work them out! Things were just starting to look up, and he might have even turned things around if he had a little longer-

No, he's gotta die for the story. His death moves the other characters along, and no one could survive that situation-

Oh, come on, have him make a surprise re-appearance in scene ten, just bust through the door with a quippy line, and everyone will be SO HAPPY!

HE MUST DIE! IF HE DOESN'T STAY DEAD THE MOMENT IS MEANINGLESS!

That's so... *sniffle*... harsh. *sniffle*. He was my friend!

Oh, get over it.

At least make it a glorious scene.

Can't do it. It has to be tragic, and glory isn't tragic enough.

You're a bastard! *CRY*

Oh, for Christ's sake... listen... I'll write a spin-off.

With that character in it?

Yeah, yeah. Whatever.

YAY!



... anywho, you get the point. It's not easy to kill them, either.

*sob* Why did you hafta die, Major Hughes, WHY!!!

*breaks down into uncontrollable crying in corner*

I cried when Homer Simpson killed and ate his lobster....
I mean, he never had the chance to develop a real character..
sad... very sad.... :(

* starts singing Matteus Passion and cries *

I hated it when the French kid died in South Park Bigger, Longer, Uncut... He was rather interesting.

Star Wars Spoiler:

In some of the Expanded Universe novels, somebody actually dared to kill the mighty Chewbacca!!! That is so wrong... :(

Star Wars Spoiler:

In some of the Expanded Universe novels, somebody actually dared to kill the mighty Chewbacca!!! That is so wrong... :(
NOOOOO!

*sob* Why did you hafta die, Major Hughes, WHY!!!

*breaks down into uncontrollable crying in corner*

I'm with you bro...Just...Try...to bear it...it's what Hughes would of wanted...*breaks into uncontrolled sobbing*

I just realized how disturbed I was about how they killed off Saruman in the Lord of the Rings movies... :mad:

And Star Trek: TNG pissed me off with killing that one woman early in season one or two. I didn't like her though. I just didn't like the idea of Star Trek being so assertive :p

Tasha Yar! Goddammit that pissed me off! It was so unexpected. They go to a planet with some sort of semi-omnipotent oil creature and it just offs her without warning. She was my favourite character - an orphan from a renegade colony with a past of substance abuse.

When they brought her back as her own daughter in those incomprehensibly ludicrous Romulan alternate time line episodes, it felt like they were a bit sorry they did it and had to give fans hope that there was an alternate reality where she wasn't dead. Well, duh! :mad:

Major Harry Potter spoiler.

If I hadn't already read the book, I would have had your liver for dinner, you bastard!

heh all of you people crying about killing off one minor character have never read A Song Of Ice And Fire, have you :p

Whos the Author?? I've seen things where heaps of major characters die and thats very depressing.

George RR Martin

Oh God, "A Song of Ice and Fire", man, those books have broken my heart so many times. George R.R. Martin is a bastard.

First there was Ned Stark, which fucking TRAUMATISED me. He was such a cool, decent, honourable character surrounded by assholes. It was the first fantasy novel I'd read where I thought "That's just not fair!" Not only that, he gets a shitty death, executed in front of his daughter.

Then there was Khal Drogo. Who was awesome and ended up in a crappy state of living death, before being mercifully smothered by his wife.

Then Renly Baratheon, who is on the verge of making everything better. Of restoring honour and dignity to the lands, when he gets his throat slit by that damned demon witch of his brothers.

Then there was... *breaks off and starts weeping*

In Buffy, the episode where the Mother is found dead at home was a real shocker! :eek:

Also Tara's death at the end of season 6 and Anya's death in the last episode!

THE DEATH OF SPIKE IN BUFFY.
Of course he had to save the world and he later comes back on Angel...
(and Tara, and Anya)

Saruman was horrible, I wanted to see what he'd be like in his new anti-shire form.

Oh yes, and from when I actually watched Charmed, the sister.. What's her name. I can't actually remember.

Pheobe... Piper... Paige... PRUE. That's it! I really couldn't care less right now, but at the TIME!! Even though I didn't watch the episode, um...

and thus begins my rapid decline into something icky.

I don't come over the death of Chris Perry in Charmed. Okay, he still sort of lives (i.e his younger self), but the baby Chris is no compensation for the adult. And I'm not only talking about the looks, his character was great, too. You never knew what stupid plans he had next...

And I'm going to kill J.K.Rowling if she doesn't bring back Sirius soon!!! (because I don't believe that he's actually dead, I think that he'll return, after all, he has just disappeared inside a strange room)

And I'm going to kill J.K.Rowling if she doesn't bring back Sirius soon!!! (because I don't believe that he's actually dead, I think that he'll return, after all, he has just disappeared inside a strange room)
you're gonna hate her even more after book 6 :D

you're gonna hate her even more after book 6 :D


I do indeed... I hope she'll soon publish book 7... I want to know what'll happen next... and I'm not that sure that the character who passed away died for good....

I once read a fantasy about some British outcasts going on a quest to get something or other, then surviving a battle against about 60,000 enemy soldiers, coming back, and then the four main characters get betrayed by their comrades and the story ends with them on the verge of execution. I hated the author for leaving the ending so open-ended. :(

heh all of you people crying about killing off one minor character have never read A Song Of Ice And Fire, have you :p

Major Hughes wasn't just a minor character!

*breaks down into sobbing again*

The death of Obi-Wan Kenobi was really hard on me as a child, as was the death of Tasha Yar. I didn't like that Obi-Wan bought it because he was a lot like my father. I didn't like it that Tasha bought it because she was my first crush as a child (or possibly the second; I was quite attracted to Claire Huxtable at the time too, but anyway. . .).

As an adult, I was sorry to see Hudson and Vasquez buy it in Aliens. That was such a good war movie.

Book 7 of Stephen King's Dark Tower series. They got rid of about everyone. :( Including a certain animal that had been in the books since the third one.

In Buffy, the episode where the Mother is found dead at home was a real shocker! :eek:

Also Tara's death at the end of season 6 and Anya's death in the last episode!

Actually, they'd originally planned to kill the mother off within the first season. Right at the beginning as a matter of fact. It was only her popularity that dragged her on to season 5 (I think it was 5). Plus, they wanted to bring Tara back to life a while after she was killed by Warren, it was only scheduling conflicts between the actors that prevented it. To bad.

They killed Aeris in FFVII ;-(

They killed Aeris in FFVII ;-(

*sob*

Great, now I have to cry for Aeris AND Major Hughes!

*breaks down into uncontrollable sobbing in the corner*

My next choice: Every Red shirted character in Star Trek. Seriously, why did they all have to die?

They killed Hector in Troy ;) Kind of liked the guy.... he had a family to care for, after all!

ok, i'm a little pissed off right now.


The mods will delete shit about harry potter, but when it comes to other books i may not have read (the george rr martin stuff) they let it slide? c'mon, the ppl who have bought and/or cared about harry potter have already read the storyline. and not deleting that "a major character dies" part is just as much a spoiler to me.

c'mon ppl if you're going to spoil a book, put it in a white font w/ the title of spoiler... like this...

i didn't read how chewbacca died, but my friend told me, that's a way to go, with a moon crashing down on you.

Thanks for the consideration.

Why Optimus Prime ... Why?!

*breaks into tears*

Then there was... *breaks off and starts weeping*

Agreed, I truly thought he would be the one to unite the land, then comes the travesty of the red wedding. I was devastated. :(

In the Forgotten realms series, i got really pissed when Wulfgar was killed by the yochol. but then like 3 books later he was revived, so its all good, but i was pissed when i first read the part where he died.

totally agree with you!!! i loved him!!!

For those of us with the latest harry potter book, I'm surprised to see that nobody has said anything about the VERY major character dying (I'm not going to spoil it). I didn't really care, but I'm sure they had some fans out there...

i, personally, was very upset, i cried for the last like 3 chapters

i too won't spoil it for any one who has yet to read the book, but it made me very, very sad... very

anyone else here read forgotten realms? then you know how pissed off you get when either one of your fave characters dies, or they almost get killed and you have to read like 50 pages to see wheter or not they'll live. I got pissed when i read in "The Legacy" in the part where Enterie almost died.

Also, if anyone has read the redwall series, you know that favorite characters die in EVERY book. the one that sucked most was in loamhedge, when the squirrel and the otter died... that sucked greatly.

There are plenty of spoilers in this thread, why was mine deleted?

I got mad when Jango Fett was killed off in Star Wars II, and even madder when his killer, Mac Windu, was not killed by his "son" Boba Fett.

There are plenty of spoilers in this thread, why was mine deleted?

because yours is from a new book just realeased

I have to say in LOST when Charlie 'died' I was very sad, but then he wasn't really dead, so I was happy.

Sirius has got to be alive still, my sister is convinced as well.

Lets see... other things and people that have died...

someone said they were upset when Hector in Troy died... come on... Troy was like the crappiest movie ever, it wasn't correct at all... and he had to die...

um...

someone else mentioned Sauroman in LOTR, they didn't do his death properly, that's the only reason I was sad when he died

someone else said, as an author, it's not easy killing off characters, i totally agree. Actually... i don't think I have ever succesfully killed off a character... except for once, but it was really easy because it was a horrible story written by a few of my friends and all the characters were based off people we knew and one of my friends was doing a horrible injustice to another of my friends, so i gladly killed her off to keep her from further pain and humiliation

other than that i don't think i have succesfully killed a character... not even a minor... ok, minor ones i have, although i haven't wrote their deaths scenes yet, i already know they're dead... but no major or semi-major characters... yet... it is incredibly difficult

someone said they were upset when Hector in Troy died... come on... Troy was like the crappiest movie ever, it wasn't correct at all... and he had to die...

Personally, I was more upset when Agamemnon died: he has to go home to be killed in the bath by Clytemnestra!

i hate it whenever someone in a couple is killed, because that means there won't be a sex scene for that couple.....

Also, if anyone has read the redwall series, you know that favorite characters die in EVERY book. the one that sucked most was in loamhedge, when the squirrel and the otter died... that sucked greatly.Oh yeah, I forgot all about the Redwall series! I was really mad at the author for killing off Klitch in Salamandastron. He should have survived and led an army afterwards to attack the place! Oh well... :(

Then there was Rose in Martin the Warrior...I like mice... :( But really, her death was important for the whole series, otherwise it (all the other books that is) wouldn't have happened.

And The Outcast of Redwall killed off all the interesting characters from start to finish: all those poor foxes, Veil, Swartt Sixclaw... *me sighs*

Does the same thing happen in the new book (ok, September 2004... but IRL, fairly new lol)?

i hate it whenever someone in a couple is killed, because that means there won't be a sex scene for that couple.....LMFAO!


((yes, the "f" is in there on purpose...))

because yours is from a new book just realeased

So? Why should new-ness dictate what is or is not spoiler?

If my brother hadn't spoiled it for me before, I wouldnt have known aeris died in ff7!

:eek: I. Thought. This. Was. A. Joke.

:eek: I. Thought. This. Was. A. Joke.Well, it ain't, kid. Get used to it. :D

well I'm upset that Carnivale is gone, it was one of the BEST seris ever on American televison! I love it! it's so perfect!

As long as the character's death is relevant to the story and isn't just done for the sake of drama to try to increase viewer/reader numbers, I have no problem with it.

What DOES annoy me is when characters are killed off then miraculously brought back to life in some cheesy, deus-ex development further down the line. I cannot STAND that. If you're going to take the brave step of introducing some emotion into your storyline, don't chicken out after the fact.