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http://www.reandev.com/taliban/

Wow, possibly the greatest collection of ignorant shit spewed by American Conservatives.

Some of those things are true :D

I must disagree. And please take your hateful anti-gay bullshit out of here.

I must disagree. And please take your hateful anti-gay bullshit out of here.



1. Who said I was referring to the things on homosexuality?

2. And they said I was a troll :rolleyes:

Wow!! These people have really cool ideas! Thanks for the link! I am bookmarking it so that whenever my will falters I can read the words of wisdom and remember my goal and purpose.

"I'm an old-fashioned woman. Men should take care of women, and if men were taking care of women today, we wouldn't have to vote."

Damn right!! Guys, let's listen to Kay and put those women back in the kitchen where they belong.

Some of those things are true, and I strongly agree with most of it except the convert everyone to Christianity and the anti-Jewish parts.

~Satanic Reverend Medivh~

1. Who said I was referring to the things on homosexuality?
Well you really didnt clearly express which points you thought were right so you left yourself open to that one.

2. And they said I was a troll :rolleyes:
Yes the did say you were a troll and you got your little time out. Lets try to learn from our mistakes shall we.

Holy shit (at the website...)

1. Who said I was referring to the things on homosexuality?

I'm pretty sure everyone is familiar to with your homophobic attitude

But just for laughs, I'll play along.

So Neo Rogolia, what were you referring to?

I'm pretty sure everyone is familiar to with your homophobic attitude

But just for laughs, I'll play along.

So Neo Rogolia, what were you referring to?



Homphobic? Sorry hon, but I love homosexuals as much as I love everyone else. Just because I abhor sin does not mean I hate (which is a sin itself) others. Nice strawman. :rolleyes:

... hate (which is a sin itself)...


Is it? Chapter & Verse, if you would.

Homphobic? Sorry hon, but I love homosexuals as much as I love everyone else. Just because I abhor sin does not mean I hate (which is a sin itself) others. Nice strawman. :rolleyes:So...let me get this straight. You hate sin, but hate is a sin? Therefore, aren't you sinning by hating sin?


((I love doing this.:D))

Is it? Chapter & Verse, if you would.



According to a certain mod, I'm apparently a troll if I quote scripture sooo... :(

So...let me get this straight. You hate sin, but hate is a sin? Therefore, aren't you sinning by hating sin?


((I love doing this.:D))



When directed at a person it is, when directed at a concept it isn't :p

lol, that gave me a good laugh.

According to a certain mod, I'm apparently a troll if I quote scripture sooo... :(

I'm sure in this instance merely giving the chapter and verse reference wouldn't be construed as such: after all that would be the signifier rather than the signified.

Anyhow, tell you what - Telegram me it, okay?

According to a certain mod, I'm apparently a troll if I quote scripture sooo... :(

I think it was more about you insulting another poster rather then quoting scripture but whatever this would be something to discuss in moderation. Back on topic if you dont agree with the parts on homosexuality then I am assuming you are more refering to the seperation of church and state.

When directed at a person it is, when directed at a concept it isn't :pCitation please? Where did God say that?

Henry Morris is some sort of Ewok.

And I'm certain everything here was taken perfectly in context.

I think it was more about you insulting another poster rather then quoting scripture but whatever this would be something to discuss in moderation. Back on topic if you dont agree with the parts on homosexuality then I am assuming you are more refering to the seperation of church and state.



I never insulted anyone, which is why I never expected to be banned...it really caught me off-guard lol.

Citation please? Where did God say that?



Telegram on its way :D

I liked these:

John Ashcroft:
"Civilized people – Muslims, Christians, and Jews – all understand that the source of freedom and human dignity is the Creator."

William Rehnquist:
"The 'wall of separation between church and state' is a metaphor based on bad history, a metaphor which has proved useless as a guide to judging. It should be frankly and explicitly abandoned."

Gary Bauer:
"We are engaged in a social, political, and cultural war. There's a lot of talk in America about pluralism. But the bottom line is somebody's values will prevail. And the winner gets the right to teach our children what to believe."

James Dobson:
"State Universities are breeding grounds, quite literally, for sexually transmitted diseases (including HIV), homosexual behavior, unwanted pregnancies, abortions, alcoholism, and drug abuse."

When directed at a person it is, when directed at a concept it isn't :p

So going by your logic there... The War on Terror really isn't a War?

BRILLIANT!!!

:D :D :D :D :D

And I'm certain everything here was taken perfectly in context.

That's the beauty of it. It doesn't matter if that was one freaking line out of a fifty thousand page speech. If I gave a fair, balanced speech on AIDS, and threw in the line "We had lost the fight for the preservation of the white race until God himself intervened in earthly affairs with AIDS to rescue and preserve the white race that he had created.... I praise God all the time for AIDS.", I'd still be a bigot, regardless of that quote being in the context of a fair and balanced speech.

They said it, and most of that crap is hateful and taliban-riffic. It still stands, in context or not.

I never insulted anyone, which is why I never expected to be banned...it really caught me off-guard lol.

I dont remember the exact words but when the moderator issued the three day ban the example was a blatant flame. But once again this isnt a topic to be discussed in general and lets get back to the part of these quotes you agree with.

So going by your logic there... The War on Terror really isn't a War?

BRILLIANT!!!

:D :D :D :D :D



Wha????? :confused:

So going by your logic there... The War on Terror really isn't a War?

BRILLIANT!!!

:D :D :D :D :DI love Neo-R, don't you?

((In a non-romantic way of course. That would be unimaginable.:eek: ))

The editorial comment added to Scheidler's listing is definitely a highight:


Joseph Scheidler (Pro-Life Action League)

"I would like to outlaw contraception...contraception is disgusting – people using each other for pleasure."*

*I get the distinct impression that Mr. Scheidler's poor wife isn't guilty of feeling any pleasure…


ROFL

I liked these:

John Ashcroft:
"Civilized people – Muslims, Christians, and Jews – all understand that the source of freedom and human dignity is the Creator."

Even as an atheist I find that perfectly acceptable. Now if he had said 'All civilised people – Muslims, Christians, and Jews – all understand that the source of freedom and human dignity is the Creator", then it would be a different matter.

What he is saying here is that the Faiths of the book view God as the source of freedom and dignity, and that the followers of the Faiths of the Book are civilised.

So going by your logic there... The War on Terror really isn't a War?

BRILLIANT!!!

It is highly prudent to be very suspicious of wars waged on abstract nouns.

So going by your logic there... The War on Terror really isn't a War?

BRILLIANT!!!

:D :D :D :D :D

The War on Terror is a military action in order to gain peace. Its combatants are not prisoners of war because of that fact and are in actuallity hellspawn that need to be dealt with as such.

Praise the lord for clever wording and insane logic. :D

Homphobic? Sorry hon, but I love homosexuals as much as I love everyone else. Just because I abhor sin does not mean I hate (which is a sin itself) others. Nice strawman. :rolleyes:


Do you feel comfortable when you meet a gay couple? If not, your "Abhorance of sin" is probably just veiled homophobia. But that's another rant ;)

The War on Terror is an asshat.

http://www.reandev.com/taliban/

Wow, possibly the greatest collection of ignorant shit spewed by American Conservatives.
Some of those are "conservatives," but most are just morons. It's rather distressing to read that I'm "worthy of death," and that I'm "a failure as a human being." But lumping people like Ronald Reagan, William Rehnquist, George Bush ( Sr. and Jr. ), and Keith Fournier in with some of the other idiots and outright madmen on that page looks an awful lot like an attempt at guilt by association.

The War on Terror is a military action in order to gain peace. Its combatants are not prisoners of war because of that fact and are in actuallity hellspawn that need to be dealt with as such.

Praise the lord for clever wording and insane logic. :DIf we called the War on Terror a war on Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia etc., would it suddenly count as a war though?

Do you feel comfortable when you meet a gay couple? If not, your "Abhorance of sin" is probably just veiled homophobia. But that's another rant ;)



A phobia is an irrational fear. My aversion to sin is based upon my beliefs and reasoning :) (and, no, it really doesn't bother me....except for the annoying, stereotypical homosexual male....the kind with the lisp/pseudo-feminine voice...I can't stand that >.<)

Even as an atheist I find that perfectly acceptable. Now if he had said 'All civilised people – Muslims, Christians, and Jews – all understand that the source of freedom and human dignity is the Creator", then it would be a different matter.

What he is saying here is that the Faiths of the book view God as the source of freedom and dignity, and that the followers of the Faiths of the Book are civilised.
Ah! A voice of reason in a thread of cacaphony. :D

Some of those are "conservatives," but most are just morons.

And the rest are conservative morons.

Some of those are "conservatives," but most are just morons. It's rather distressing to read that I'm "worthy of death," and that I'm "a failure as a human being." But lumping people like Ronald Reagan, William Rehnquist, George Bush ( Sr. and Jr. ), and Keith Fournier in with some of the other idiots and outright madmen on that page looks an awful lot like an attempt at guilt by association.

Hahaha. That's a laugh. You're saying Rehnquist and Bush don't deserve to be lumped with these fools?

If we called the War on Terror a war on Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia etc., would it suddenly count as a war though?

Currently it wouldn't because that would involve actually declaring war. And that would ruin the guise of righteousness.

And the rest are conservative morons.
I can almost understand your anger, but that site is simply attempting to lump all of those featured on that page together and call them "conservatives." That's just simply not true.

Hahaha. That's a laugh. You're saying Rehnquist and Bush don't deserve to be lumped with these fools?



Some of those "fools" had really good points (the truth of Christianity and the seperation of church and state....)

Hahaha. That's a laugh. You're saying Rehnquist and Bush don't deserve to be lumped with these fools?
Yes. I thought that was obvious from the wording of my post.

Ah! A voice of reason in a thread of cacaphony. :D
Really? I thought my Ewok comparison was fairly lucid.

If we called the War on Terror a war on Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia etc., would it suddenly count as a war though?

Not unless it is to our political benefit.

Currently it wouldn't because that would involve actually declaring war. And that would ruin the guise of righteousness.Wait, the US is fighting an undeclared war?! That's against some sort of rule!!! :eek:

Wait, the US is fighting an undeclared war?! That's against some sort of rule!!! :eek:

Ouch. Aim that sarcasm away from the face, man. I think you clipped my ear.

Do you feel comfortable when you meet a gay couple? If not, your "Abhorance of sin" is probably just veiled homophobia. But that's another rant ;)
I just got a call from a girlfriend. She was at a gay bar and wanted to talk to someone who wanted her. I had absolutely no problem with her being at a gay bar, and probably wouldn't mind going there with her myself.

Responding to everyone who doesn't totally agree with your political postions by labeling them "homophobic" is more likely to alienate some of the very people who would normally be on your side. Sure you want to do that???

Yes. I thought that was obvious from the wording of my post.You're right. Heck, Rehnquist & Bush may be conservatives, but they're definitely not morons.

Ouch. Aim that sarcasm away from the face, man. I think you clipped my ear.Hey, it's better than hitting below the belt. :p

Women back in the kitchen? Hell YEAH!

We need to elect these guys to offices. Totally. Then we can all have hawt secks with our wives making us pies in the kitchen. :fluffle:

Really? I thought my Ewok comparison was fairly lucid.
Very apt. I had to go back and read it, since I didn't take the time to read through the entire thread. My apologies. :)

Women back in the kitchen? Hell YEAH!

We need to elect these guys to offices. Totally. Then we can all have hawt secks with our wives making us pies in the kitchen. :fluffle:Trolling is against the rules, I think...

Trolling is against the rules, I think...



If he gets away with it, while I get banned for quoting scripture, I'm going to stage a protest :mad:

Very apt. I had to go back and read it, since I didn't take the time to read through the entire thread. My apologies. :)

Apology accepted.

But now I can't get that face out of my head. I'm going to wake up screaming about right wing midgets in bear suits.

If he gets away with it, while I get banned for quoting scripture, I'm going to stage a protest :mad:You can go on #themodcave.

And I think that is one of the rare incidents of mod bias. You may be a religious fundamentalist conservative, but you're definitely not a troll.

If he gets away with it, while I get banned for quoting scripture, I'm going to stage a protest :mad:

Once again you werent banned for quoting scripture. You were banned because you made inflamatory comments towards other posters. If you are so confused about this ask moderation or make a thread in that forum just dont complain about it in this thread.

Women back in the kitchen? Hell YEAH!

We need to elect these guys to offices. Totally. Then we can all have hawt secks with our wives making us pies in the kitchen. :fluffle:

Well, it definitely has merits. Children should not be raised by daycare centers and I like pie. :)

Once again you werent banned for quoting scripture. You were banned because you made inflamatory comments towards other posters. If you are so confused about this ask moderation or make a thread in that forum just dont complain about it in this thread.



Telegram me the part where I flamed others, because, honestly, I haven't a clue when and where I did it :confused:

I can almost understand your anger, but that site is simply attempting to lump all of those featured on that page together and call them "conservatives." That's just simply not true.

Uh, "anger"?

How's about "complete non-plussedness"?

There's nothing to be angry about. They're all either morons, conservatives, or conservative morons. It doesn't change what any of them said.

If someone I actually admired said something totally moronic and offensive, what am I supposed to do - act like they didn't say something moronic and offensive? Cut them some stupid slack 'cause we supposedly have something in common?

Fuck that noise - these people are all grown-up and fully capable of either choosing their words carefully, or spouting drivel. They chose the latter, and now they're stuck on someone's funny/insulting webpage.

Case closed. No anger here, bub.

Well, it definitely has merits. Children should not be raised by daycare centers and I like pie. :)



<3 pie :D

Telegram me the part where I flamed others, because, honestly, I haven't a clue when and where I did it :confused:"Know thyself." ~2 Kings 4:13

Oh wait that was Socrates... :headbang:


I have to dust off that Bible more often!

Telegram me the part where I flamed others, because, honestly, I haven't a clue when and where I did it :confused:

As I said before I dont remember what the part the mod quoted only that it was a flame. The thread on your ban is probably gone and your best bet is to talk to the mods.

Some of those are "conservatives," but most are just morons. It's rather distressing to read that I'm "worthy of death," and that I'm "a failure as a human being." But lumping people like Ronald Reagan, William Rehnquist, George Bush ( Sr. and Jr. ), and Keith Fournier in with some of the other idiots and outright madmen on that page looks an awful lot like an attempt at guilt by association.

True, they weren't advocating the killing or deportation of all gay people, but Bush sr. said that he wasn't sure if Athiests should be citizens. That's pretty bad.

When you concider the power some of these people hold (congressmen) or the prestige (evangelicists), it's downright scary.

According to a certain mod, I'm apparently a troll if I quote scripture sooo... :(

That can't be right. And if it is, it's pure bullshit. I'll be first to sign up for your protest, we'll have a whole bunch of people quote scripture as often as possible.

Uh, "anger"?
*snip*

Fuck that noise - these people are all grown-up and fully capable of either choosing their words carefully, or spouting drivel. They chose the latter, and now they're stuck on someone's funny/insulting webpage.

Case closed. No anger here, bub.


Nope, no anger there...

*raises hands, slowly backs out of thread*

True, they weren't advocating the killing or deportation of all gay people, but Bush sr. said that he wasn't sure if Athiests should be citizens. That's pretty bad.

When you concider the power some of these people hold (congressmen) or the prestige (evangelicists), it's downright scary.I agree, but I'm not surprised. I mean, they made a moron Supreme Ruler of the Multiverse...

Nope, no anger there...

*raises hands, slowly backs out of thread*

Who says, "fuck that noise" has to delivered in an angry tone of voice?

Lighten up...

That can't be right. And if it is, it's pure bullshit. I'll be first to sign up for your protest, we'll have a whole bunch of people quote scripture as often as possible.Exactly. I hold the exact opposite of Neo-R's views and I'd support her... ((and that has nothing to do with those pictures!!!;))) ...however, she wasn't banned for posting scripture, she was banned for flaming. However we don't know for sure, so we have to ask a mod.

Exactly. I hold the exact opposite of Neo-R's views and I'd support her... ((and that has nothing to do with those pictures!!!;))) ...however, she wasn't banned for posting scripture, she was banned for flaming. However we don't know for sure, so we have to ask a mod.



It's what he cited for banning me :(

As I recall she got a three-day timeout for trolling or somesuch.

Look it up or suck it up.

Either way... wb.

well, I for one am angry. These people slander my religion with their hate, drag the name of Jesus Christ through the mud, make being Christain something to be ashamed of, they have to answer to me. Who wants to drive with me out to the Christain Coalition, or some of the more hateful offeneders here, and give 'em a peice of our minds?

I has become an act of rebellion in some circles, the ones I go around in, to declare yourself Christain. It is one I do proudly. I wear my cross to Punk and Metal shows as a badge of honor, and never let anyone give me shit about it. But it shouldn't have to be like that. I shouldn't have to fight people about it. It's because of people like this.

It's what he cited for banning me :(Which mod, btw?

Which mod, btw?



GMC

I has become an act of rebellion in some circles, the ones I go around in, to declare yourself *blah blah blah*

Tight circles, are they? Don't get too dizzy, now.

GMCAh, that explains it! :D

Tight circles, are they? Don't get too dizzy, now.

I associate with many different people, but the focus of my post was how in some of the groups I associate with, et cetera. Those are by no means the only people I associate with, though.

well, I for one am angry. These people slander my religion with their hate, drag the name of Jesus Christ through the mud, make being Christain something to be ashamed of, they have to answer to me. Who wants to drive with me out to the Christain Coalition, or some of the more hateful offeneders here, and give 'em a peice of our minds?

I has become an act of rebellion in some circles, the ones I go around in, to declare yourself Christain. It is one I do proudly. I wear my cross to Punk and Metal shows as a badge of honor, and never let anyone give me shit about it. But it shouldn't have to be like that. I shouldn't have to fight people about it. It's because of people like this.

I don't blame you for disliking these creatures (the "taleban" in question). Of course, you mention wearing a cross to a Punk or Metal show, they would pale, clutch their chests in horror, and--if they avoided cardiac arrest long enough--would shout "Vile heretic! Punk?! Metal?! Devil Music! God likes Twila Paris, and nobody else! Somebody get us a stake!!!" Sooo, perhaps you can take some comfort in the fact that these knuckle-dragging tyrants would want to be dissassociated from you as much as you want to be dissassociated from them.

Furthermore, if that bit in the New Testament about Jesus hanging out with "tax gatherers and sinners" instead of with the tithe-gatherers and sinners (i.e. the clergy of his day) is true, he'd be more likely to show up at a Metal show than at a prayer breakfast with those nutcakes.

I'm not a Christian, but I do hope I succeed in treating Christians respectfully when I disagree with them. BTW, I get a huge kick out of your "Location" thingo:

"Location: Like, the 11th level of Dante's Inferno. That's the one where Satan's eating a donut but you're not allowed to have the donut and when you try to take the donut you get violated with a plunger handle"

ROTFLMAO! Bad sinner, no donut!

Apology accepted.

But now I can't get that face out of my head. I'm going to wake up screaming about right wing midgets in bear suits.
LOL! And they're all nekkid! :D

If he gets away with it, while I get banned for quoting scripture, I'm going to stage a protest :mad:
That sounds like revenge and we know that that is God's domain?

Nope, no anger there...

*raises hands, slowly backs out of thread*
He's always like that. Sigh. :(

That sounds like revenge and we know that that is God's domain?Yeah, I thought God said that women were supposed to serve their husbands (if they have any) or parents (if they're under 18) and that they should have no place in politics. :rolleyes:

He's always like that. Sigh. :(

Personal pronouns still giving you difficulties where I'm concerned, I see, Eutrusca. I'm afraid I really don't look the part, at the moment...

Furthermore, if that bit in the New Testament about Jesus hanging out with "tax gatherers and sinners" instead of with the tithe-gatherers and sinners (i.e. the clergy of his day) is true, he'd be more likely to show up at a Metal show than at a prayer breakfast with those nutcakes.

You get it and you're not even Christain, why can't more of them?

BTW, I get a huge kick out of your "Location" thingo:

thankies quite much

You get it and you're not even Christain, why can't more of them?

thankies quite much
Many of them are wearing cultural blinders they think are Christian blinders. :)

I dont understand the purpose of this website. Im sure the same thing can be done but switched around with some well placed grand lines from the other side....

So what really was it trying to accomplish? other then make them seem subhuman and the reader disagreeing with their comments feel superior? You think divisiveness is going to help your nation? Really its the owner of that website and the person posting that are the real problems for americans.

I dont understand the purpose of this website. Im sure the same thing can be done but switched around with some well placed grand lines from the other side....

So what really was it trying to accomplish? other then make them seem subhuman and the reader disagreeing with their comments feel superior? You think divisiveness is going to help your nation? Really its the owner of that website and the person posting that are the real problems for americans.
You "get it" and you're not an American. Why can't more of our own people get it? Sigh.

I dont understand the purpose of this website. Im sure the same thing can be done but switched around with some well placed grand lines from the other side....

So what really was it trying to accomplish? other then make them seem subhuman and the reader disagreeing with their comments feel superior? You think divisiveness is going to help your nation? Really its the owner of that website and the person posting that are the real problems for americans.

I think it's meant as a sign post, warning: "We have a lot of well-placed and powerful boojwah fundamentalist muthas who could just as easily turn this swell place into a theocratic prison camp, a carbon-copy of what the Taliban did with Afghanistan. Watch out".

And I think it's very effective in serving this purpose, with substantial wit, to boot.

Personal pronouns still giving you difficulties where I'm concerned, I see, Eutrusca. I'm afraid I really don't look the part, at the moment...Lol, sorry, I just can't help laughing when someone makes a gender mistake.... :p

The War on Terror is a military action in order to gain peace. Its combatants are not prisoners of war because of that fact and are in actuallity hellspawn that need to be dealt with as such.
In reality though, if it is in fact a War on terror, then the combatants that are captured, are in fact "prisoners of war", and should be treated in accordance of the Geneva Conventions?

Praise the lord for clever wording and insane logic. :D
I am not sure where you are going with this line of reasoning, but do you think the Lord wants praise for "clever wording and insane logic"?

One must use insane logic to achieve one's devious goals?

There are no "clever" words in the 10 Commandments.

I think it's meant as a sign post, warning: "We have a lot of well-placed and powerful boojwah fundamentalist muthas who could just as easily turn this swell place into a carbon-copy theocratic prison camp, like the Taliban did with Afghanistan. Watch out".

And I think it's very effective in serving this purpose, with substantial wit, to boot.
And I, among others, see that as a good thing. Where the problem comes in, as I indicated in a prior post, is that the site tosses some relatively moderate people in with all the idiots. I see this as an attempt to tar everyone on that page with the same "far-right-fanatical-fundamentalist-anti-gay" brush. It's definitely not kosher. I mean, tossing Ronald Reagan in with nitwits like Fred Phelps, J. B. Stoner, Joseph McCarthy, and that awful Michael Savage? Get real!

Yeah, I thought God said that women were supposed to serve their husbands (if they have any) or parents (if they're under 18) and that they should have no place in politics. :rolleyes:
This has nothing to do with my comment to Neo, so I am not sure where you are going with this.

So what really was it trying to accomplish? other then make them seem subhuman and the reader disagreeing with their comments feel superior? You think divisiveness is going to help your nation? Really its the owner of that website and the person posting that are the real problems for americans.

So...to sum up, those who make comments like these are not the problem, those who POINT OUT what people have said are the problem.

Weapons of Mass Documentation? Is that what we're trying to stamp out? Its okay to say horrible things, so long as one doesn't get caught. And if one does get caught, blame the people who SHOW them saying them as the problem?

Wonderful set of rules for public discourse we have here. Real progress. Both sides have whackjobs; shouldn't the point to be to point out that EVERYONE has nutcases that really need to be pushed out of power?

The problem is not people pointing out bad speech, its that people are gaining power and using for the wrong reasons, are masking their intentions behind viels of lies and spin, and suddenly the TRUTH is worthless. Without truth...there is nothing but ideals.

Without truth, there is no place for the people, just the ideals. Look at the extremist governments of the world, past and present; their ideals got in the way of the truth, so they destroy those who dared speak it. Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, all strove for an ideal...not for the people.

I'm not sure at all if that's not what we're facing in America today. People on both sides have seemingly made the desicion to destory this nation and the people who live here in order to save it.

And I, among others, see that as a good thing. Where the problem comes in, as I indicated in a prior post, is that the site tosses some relatively moderate people in with all the idiots. I see this as an attempt to tar everyone on that page with the same "far-right-fanatical-fundamentalist-anti-gay" brush. It's definitely not kosher. I mean, tossing Ronald Reagan in with nitwits like Fred Phelps, J. B. Stoner, Joseph McCarthy, and that awful Michael Savage? Get real!

And I'll try re-iterating what I said earlier: they said what they said.Too bad if you think it's unfair they're being tarred with the same brush - but look at it this way:

If someone I admired (Pierre Trudeau, for example) had went on record saying something completely stupid and inappropriate (liiiiike... "Rail as they will about 'discrimination,' women are simply not endowed by nature with the same measures of single-minded ambition and the will to succeed in the fiercely competitive world of Western capitalism." - actually a Pat Buchanan quote, there), people would remember that one statement - it would tend to eclipse whatever else people would remember about them. And so what should my response have been? Ignore his stupidity? Dismiss his comments? Allude to other wonderful aspects of his personality?

Hell, no. I'd've let the press grill him for dinner. I don't hand out 'pass' cards to people who ought to know better. And those people, all of 'em, ought to have known better. The only way I reckon they couldn't have known better is if they really believe the idea that a theocratic dictatorship really is in the offing, in which case they'll control all of what's said and done or commented upon or made the butt of jokes in any event.

Like it or not, you will be remembered for what you say. As it happens, Pierre Trudeau is best remembered for saying that the state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation, something I agree with wholeheartedly. That's something all these big he-men, and the willing doormats who serve under them, oughtta try bearing in mind.

Doubleplus ungood.

See? This is why we need a nuclear war.

The idea that "The state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation" as Pierre Trudeau said has a little twist in it. I'm betting everyone here would be perfectly willing to allow the state into the bedroom of a cross generational sexual relationships no matter how much the under age partner enjoyed it. No matter whether there was penatration or not or whether there was a risk of any of the real sexually transmitted diseases being transmitted. The young most be protected from sex with adults at all costs. Children can not and shall not be introduced to sex by older partners becuase sex is EVIL and becuase all sorts of EVIL could happen. Hell many claim to have the studies to back it up.

Oh yes the above question of the taboo standerd is grounds for banning me and turning me into the FBI for having EVIL thoughts.

P.S. It is also to be noted that the retards quoted on that website believe us to be every bit as retarded as we see them.

:headbang:

3:30 am, just about my bed time. G'night y'all, I'll return to this discussion tomarrow. Er, letter today

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Thanks for sharing.

This is sick and absolutly shocks me...if this is America, I'll call America the Evil Empire.

Being nice to people is, in fact, one of the incidental tenets of Christianity, as opposed to other religions whose tenets are more along the lines of 'kill everyone who doesn't smell bad and doesn't answer to the name Mohammed'Wouldn't this disqualify her from being Christian? :confused:

The idea that "The state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation" as Pierre Trudeau said has a little twist in it. I'm betting everyone here would be perfectly willing to allow the state into the bedroom of a cross generational sexual relationships no matter how much the under age partner enjoyed it. No matter whether there was penatration or not or whether there was a risk of any of the real sexually transmitted diseases being transmitted. The young most be protected from sex with adults at all costs. Children can not and shall not be introduced to sex by older partners becuase sex is EVIL and becuase all sorts of EVIL could happen. Hell many claim to have the studies to back it up.

Oh yes the above question of the taboo standerd is grounds for banning me and turning me into the FBI for having EVIL thoughts.

P.S. It is also to be noted that the retards quoted on that website believe us to be every bit as retarded as we see them.

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Keep banging. You won't feel much soon.

You've thrown up the disingenuous boogieman of "Privacy Laws = Blank Check on Pedophilia and Other Sexual Abuse." Pedophilia and other sexual abuse is covered under criminal laws anyways.

The quote is about keeping government out of the bedroom to prevent discrimination based on sexual preferences, which the American Taliban thinks is more dangerous than Osama Bin Ladin.

And I, among others, see that as a good thing. Where the problem comes in, as I indicated in a prior post, is that the site tosses some relatively moderate people in with all the idiots. I see this as an attempt to tar everyone on that page with the same "far-right-fanatical-fundamentalist-anti-gay" brush. It's definitely not kosher. I mean, tossing Ronald Reagan in with nitwits like Fred Phelps, J. B. Stoner, Joseph McCarthy, and that awful Michael Savage? Get real!They didn't "lump" him that way, if you say it that way. Any rational mind can see that his quote is based more on him being Christian and not on him directly attacking anyone. Anyone that can't see that is a liberal nutcase, and this is a liberal nutcase saying that.

That's a funny list, but don't take all of them as accurate at face value. That's what Mill Moyers did on the (false) Watt quote on the environment.. he was ripped unmerciful by his peers for such sloppy "reporting."

Some of that stuff's unbelievable though.. although few of those people have a whole lot of influence, beyond a half dozen or so. Some of it's just dredged up from 80's televangelists and State Senators and such. Also Pat Buchanan. ;) I guess he's got "influence" at MSNBC.. sorta.

That's a funny list, but don't take all of them as accurate at face value. That's what Mill Moyers did on the (false) Watt quote on the environment.. he was ripped unmerciful by his peers for such sloppy "reporting."


Really, Pepe. Never heard of that unmerciful ripping. Of course, you've got some supportive material to back that (false) claim?

Really, Pepe. Never heard of that unmerciful ripping. Of course, you've got some supportive material to back that (false) claim?

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000797041

His definition of who his "peers" are may certainly differ from mine, of course. ;) But still, he did the right thing eventually, and apologized. I don't dislike him altogether, really.. In fact, I liked his series with Joseph Campbell very much.. although that was, what, 20 years ago?

Why can't they call their religion the Death Cult of the Chosen Race rather than pretending it's Christianity? "Hate is good" - honestly. :rolleyes:

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000797041

His definition of who his "peers" are may certainly differ from mine, of course. ;) But still, he did the right thing eventually, and apologized. I don't dislike him altogether, really.. In fact, I liked his series with Joseph Campbell very much.. although that was, what, 20 years ago?
Um... the article said that Watt didn't say this:
During the speech, Moyers said, "Remember James Watt, President Ronald Reagan's first secretary of the interior? My favorite online environmental journal, the ever-engaging Grist, reminded us recently of how Watt told the U.S. Congress that protecting natural resources was unimportant in light of the imminent return of Jesus Christ. In public testimony he said, 'after the last tree is felled, Christ will come back'."
and not "We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand."

Well, all I have to say is All Hail Ceaser!

Oh, I thought this thread was about the religious right. Never mind.

i love these...

"When science and the Bible differ, science has obviously misinterpreted its data."

and

"We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand."

Fantastic, just fantastic :p

Well, all I have to say is All Hail Ceaser!

If you are going to hail Caesar at least spell his name correctly :D

[QUOTE=British Socialism]If you are going to hail Caesar at least spell his name correctly :D[/QUOTE
You are very correct. Hail Caeser! I hate typing to fast.

If you are going to hail Caesar at least spell his name correctly :D

Quite right! :p

As for the link, thank goodness those people are full of hate. Don't you know Jesus wants you to hate everyone? :rolleyes: Those lectures about love and being kind to each other, obviously a cover for hatred.

Oh, hell yes the Left says stupid things.

...but alot of 'em are from California, and the Democrats here in Cali have gone insane, and are not to be taken as representative of the majority of Democrat views. We vote for 'em because we used to think, "Hey, better than the Republicans."

I'm now voting Republican, but I want to vote Democrat >.<

Never realised Rush Limbaugh was so funny..

"Feminism was established to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of society."

:eek: :rolleyes: :p

Must admit though, he is very insightful into the workings of the law.

"If you commit a crime, you're guilty."

Good to know. Wasn´t to sure on that point.

Only things I actually agree with.


"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."


That's a joke. This is pretty much what JIHAD means.


"State Universities are breeding grounds, quite literally, for sexually transmitted diseases (including HIV), homosexual behavior, unwanted pregnancies, abortions, alcoholism, and drug abuse."


It doesn't sound much different then the Canadian Colleges.

But I don't mind the homosexual behavior, if the chicks are hot and drunk.


"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians."


I agree that feminists are bitches that should be wiped out, but ...this guy is a wee bit too extreme. Witchcraft? Lesbians?

Why can't they call their religion the Death Cult of the Chosen Race rather than pretending it's Christianity? "Hate is good" - honestly. :rolleyes:The name's already taken by the Jihadists, I suppose. :p

This is sick and absolutly shocks me...if this is America, I'll call America the Evil Empire.
Which is one of the points I was trying to make. When you tag decent men and women with the same brush you use for idiots like most of those on that site, you do them a grave injustice. Even if I weren't aware of their hidden agenda on that site, I would still have been repulsed. The fact that they influenced your opinion so radically only serves to drive home the point.

Canada City']I agree that feminists are bitches that should be wiped out, but ...this guy is a wee bit too extreme. Witchcraft? Lesbians?Well, obviously, since women are realizing that men are not always superior, they have somehow gained enough intelligence to do so, which is a clear sign of witchcraft. And lesbians? Well, if they don't have boyfriends or husbands and are over 25, they're obviously lesbians, since anyone else would have already married or met the "right person". :rolleyes:

That's a joke. This is pretty much what JIHAD means.
No it isn't.

No it isn't.Technically, Jihad means "struggle", not "holy war" as the modern Jihadists use it. They're the equivalent of the modern evangelists. In this sense, it refers more to the ideas of National Socialism than anything else.

And I'll try re-iterating what I said earlier: they said what they said.Too bad if you think it's unfair they're being tarred with the same brush - but look at it this way:

If someone I admired (Pierre Trudeau, for example) had went on record saying something completely stupid and inappropriate (liiiiike... "Rail as they will about 'discrimination,' women are simply not endowed by nature with the same measures of single-minded ambition and the will to succeed in the fiercely competitive world of Western capitalism." - actually a Pat Buchanan quote, there), people would remember that one statement - it would tend to eclipse whatever else people would remember about them. And so what should my response have been? Ignore his stupidity? Dismiss his comments? Allude to other wonderful aspects of his personality?

Hell, no. I'd've let the press grill him for dinner. I don't hand out 'pass' cards to people who ought to know better. And those people, all of 'em, ought to have known better. The only way I reckon they couldn't have known better is if they really believe the idea that a theocratic dictatorship really is in the offing, in which case they'll control all of what's said and done or commented upon or made the butt of jokes in any event.

Like it or not, you will be remembered for what you say. As it happens, Pierre Trudeau is best remembered for saying that the state has no place in the bedrooms of the nation, something I agree with wholeheartedly. That's something all these big he-men, and the willing doormats who serve under them, oughtta try bearing in mind.
Yet you tend to get rather upset, as I recall, when the right does the same thing to people like John Kerry and Teddy Kennedy. Hmmm. Double standard here? Nahhh! Surely not with politically correct liberals! Tsk!

Actually, I think the most revealing comment you have made to date is your reference to "all these big he-men." Something about masculinity offends you? Why would you say that? Some of those people on that list are women, and many of the men could never ( IMHO ) qualify as "he-men" under ANY circumstances. So why did you say that? Are you anti-male? Are you anti-authority? Are you anti-any-male-with-power? Hmm.

I am insulted that quotes about the bible’s infallibility are put in the same category as anti-environmental quotes, pro-fascist quotes and homophobic quotes.

I am insulted that quotes about the bible’s infallibility are put in the same category as anti-environmental quotes, pro-fascist quotes and homophobic quotes.

So the second coming IS at hand, then?

So the second coming IS at hand, then?

How the heck should I know? Only God knows the answer to that. Some of the quotes, however, were simply people stating that they believed the bible was infallible. That was all one or two people on that thing said.

So the second coming IS at hand, then?Let's hope so, it'll end this kind of nonsense once and for all! :p

Yet you tend to get rather upset, as I recall, when the right does the same thing to people like John Kerry and Teddy Kennedy. Hmmm. Double standard here? Nahhh! Surely not with politically correct liberals! Tsk!

Actually, I think the most revealing comment you have made to date is your reference to "all these big he-men." Something about masculinity offends you? Why would you say that? Some of those people on that list are women, and many of the men could never ( IMHO ) qualify as "he-men" under ANY circumstances. So why did you say that? Are you anti-male? Are you anti-authority? Are you anti-any-male-with-power? Hmm.

Leave it to Eutrusca to trouble himself over a throwaway catch-phrase.

I'm anti-"stupid people with penises and the stupid people with uteruses who drool over them".

what exactly is wrong with "femenist bitches," and how do you propose whiping them out?

well then i truly dont believe in hell but if it did exist im sure i would see all of these idiots there

So the second coming IS at hand, then?




Matthew 24:36-44 36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
42"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.



I probably just got myself banned again :rolleyes:

I probably just got myself banned again :rolleyes:

I wish you'd give that particular misapprehension a rest.

Did you ever bother following up with the Mods, or are you content to continue labouring under said misapprehension?

You're not Christ, that's not a cross, and those aren't Romans.

Cope with it.

what exactly is wrong with "femenist bitches," and how do you propose whiping them out?

I would perform a genocide, but it would to have be an isolated nation so UN won't blink an eye towards it.

What's wrong with them isn't because they want equal rights, its because they always want to look like the victim; despite the fact they get benefits like maternity leave, more job opportunities, and child support, they cry out for more.

They are like work unions; in the past they were helpful concerning social issues, but today they are just being selfish.

How the heck should I know? Only God knows the answer to that. Some of the quotes, however, were simply people stating that they believed the bible was infallible. That was all one or two people on that thing said.

You mean this one here:

"When science and the Bible differ, science has obviously misinterpreted its data." ?

I for one laughed my head off when I read it, though I have to say that I don't know too many of the people quoted on this page. I think if I knew them, it would be even funnier

At least the Catholic Church accepts evolution, and says that the Bible isn't a book about the inner workings of the universe, but a book to live by if you're Christian. Even though the Catholic Church rocks itself with pedophiles, I have to commend them on at least realizing that the Bible isn't a science textbook.

LOL.. for a moment I thought this was about the American who was caught in Afghanistan fighting in the Taliban ranks.

http://www.reandev.com/taliban/

Wow, possibly the greatest collection of ignorant shit spewed by American Conservatives.

American Conservatives ARE the American Taliban.

At least the Catholic Church accepts evolution, and says that the Bible isn't a book about the inner workings of the universe, but a book to live by if you're Christian. Even though the Catholic Church rocks itself with pedophiles, I have to commend them on at least realizing that the Bible isn't a science textbook.Yeah...if they don't follow it, they at least know what it is... :p

American Conservatives ARE the American Taliban.Not all of them, though. Hell, some of my best friends are conservatives! :P

Oh… those were so funny, in a twisted way! I expect those must really annoy Americans for giving their country that sort of image. Then again, Death Cult America would be rather stylish. ;)

I think it boils down to this:

If you don't want to be included on a list of stupid people saying very stupid things, think twice before flapping your tongue. 'Cause no matter how smart you or others think you are, you're always going to be stupid in somebody's eyes.

Don't give 'em ammunition.

Sorry, Ron RayGun, that was an asshat of a statement to make. Ditto for Watts - whether you believe the quote listed, or the quote discussed here.

I'm not gonna cut these people any slack - it's not as if they ever cut any slack for anyone but themselves and their buddies, anyway. They all said some awfully damn stupid things. Period.

"There is only one way to get rid of nuclear weapons... use them"

That was taken out of context. It was satire.

"The 'wall of separation between church and state' is a metaphor based on bad history, a metaphor which has proved useless as a guide to judging. It should be frankly and explicitly abandoned."

Actually, that's true

Look, most of these are just stupid things to say, or speech that wasn't very well thought out. Some of it is ignorant bullshit, too, but let's not judge all of them until context is clear.

Oh… those were so funny, in a twisted way! I expect those must really annoy Americans for giving their country that sort of image. Then again, Death Cult America would be rather stylish. ;)Yeah...take THAT you evil, immoral, liberal communist servants of Satan! ;)

I find these disturbing:
"Not all Muslims may be terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims." -Ann Coulter
"With all due respect to those dear people, my friend, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew." -Bailey Smith ( I would like to remind him that not only was Jesus a Jew, but that Christianity in itself is based on Judaism).
"There should be absolutely no 'Separation of Church and State' in America." -David Barton
When science and the Bible differ, science has obviously misinterpreted its data." - Henry Morris

Sure people are entitled to their opinion, but these are just intolorent and ignorant people.

I find these disturbing:
"Not all Muslims may be terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims." -Ann Coulter
"With all due respect to those dear people, my friend, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew." -Bailey Smith ( I would like to remind him that not only was Jesus a Jew, but that Christianity in itself is based on Judaism).
"There should be absolutely no 'Separation of Church and State' in America." -David Barton
When science and the Bible differ, science has obviously misinterpreted its data." - Henry Morris

Sure people are entitled to their opinion, but these are just intolorent and ignorant people.Apparently they took literally the command, "Ignorance is Strength" ;)

Canada City']I would perform a genocide, but it would to have be an isolated nation so UN won't blink an eye towards it.

What's wrong with them isn't because they want equal rights, its because they always want to look like the victim; despite the fact they get benefits like maternity leave, more job opportunities, and child support, they cry out for more.

They are like work unions; in the past they were helpful concerning social issues, but today they are just being selfish.

Most feminists today do, in fact, want nothing more than equal rights, and more attention brought to certain women's issues, such as rape and wife beating. There is a very small and very vocal minority that does, in fact, fit the man-hating gynocentrist steriotype, and who are very unreasonable people, but like I said, a very small minority.

Why shouldn't they get materinty leave? What job opertunities do they have that men don't? If anything, I'd say less. Also, the fact the courts rarely enforce child support payments is a big issue that need addressing. And besides that, men get child support, too, so it's not exclusivly a woman's issue.


At least the Catholic Church accepts evolution, and says that the Bible isn't a book about the inner workings of the universe, but a book to live by if you're Christian. Even though the Catholic Church rocks itself with pedophiles, I have to commend them on at least realizing that the Bible isn't a science textbook.

Yes, there was a pedofile scandle, but a very VERY small percentige of preists were involved. And what the hell does "rocks it's self with pedofiles" even mean?

I'm sure that if you looked at other demoniations, you'd find similar instances. It's a human thing, not a Catholic thing.

So stop acting like it's Catholic doctrine to molest little boys.

i'm sure if someone took the time to look at all the 'left wing, the liberals both moderates and extremist, you would have a page filled with just as much hate of Christians, folks who served in the military, etc.

all ideas, religions, political parties and concepts have those who take it to a totally different level, which unfortantly taints the real message most who hold those beliefs really wish to share.

a thing to remember is that whenever there are two sides opposed to each other, the truth is somewhere in the middle. finding that ground without killing or hurting each other is the key....

Yes, there was a pedofile scandle, but a very VERY small percentige of preists were involved. And what the hell does "rocks it's self with pedofiles" even mean?

I'm sure that if you looked at other demoniations, you'd find similar instances. It's a human thing, not a Catholic thing.

So stop acting like it's Catholic doctrine to molest little boys.

Only a very small percentage of Germans were actually Nazi Party members. In fact, less than 3 million were members, out of approximately 70 million Germans. But anyways.

You don't understand simple statements? "Rocks" means to overturn, to upturn the balance. Think about how low Catholic credibility is now with non-Catholics. I hardly have a conversation with anyone and not hear talk about a new priest abuse scandal. But don't be so flammatory, I never said pedophilia was Catholic ideology, nor even ranted about it, good God. Stop acting like a member of the Morality Police.

Ah, I see.

After going back and reading your post, I see what you ment. I am sorry I snaped at you, I suppose I was backlashing at the whole make-fun-of-Catholics-because-they-are-all-pedifiles culture that I have had to put up with.

My apologies.

"Not all Muslims may be terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims."
Can anyone tell me when the IRA started converting to Islam? Or The Shining Path for that matter?

exactly!