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The premise of this thread is simple. Gay people are generally viewed as more left wing (I try to avoid the word Liberal as its meaning changes country to country). I don't believe this is the case at all and in fact that in an economic sense openly gay people are more right wing. Opinions? Am I just off my hat?

The premise of this thread is simple. Gay people are generally viewed as more left wing (I try to avoid the word Liberal as its meaning changes country to country). I don't believe this is the case at all and in fact that in an economic sense openly gay people are more right wing.
I'd say there is no real correlation between sexual preference and economic preference, but that's just me.

this is an interesting thread, i will watch it with anticipation.

I'd say there is no real correlation between sexual preference and economic preference, but that's just me.

I think sexual orientation is irrelevant to political ideas. Of course, I would believe most gay people won't vote for far right or a religious/conservative party, and it is true that most gay people would naturally vote more for either centre- or centre-left parties. But some also vote right-wing.

Umm...isn't left and right wing a tad vague? I can't figure out just what you mean by that really...the parties change over time, and right wing policies today bear little resemblence to the right wing economic policies of 20 years ago.

I think the thread starter is basically saying is left wingers are queer

Umm...isn't left and right wing a tad vague? I can't figure out just what you mean by that really...the parties change over time, and right wing policies today bear little resemblence to the right wing economic policies of 20 years ago.
Nope, left and right wing economically mean the same thing, but the parties may drift.

Right wingers believe in the removal of the state. They think that the government should have less to do with people's lives. Liberals think the government should intervene (creating public works, for example).

As you can see, parties don't always adhere to this idea. The current American conservative party is like this on economic issues, but on social issues it tries to impose itself on private life.

You will, I hope, compensate for the inherent problems in this non-random sample.

*shrug*

As far as a description of economic left/right wing stuff, Politicalcompass.org does nice job (in my opinion) of explaining it. *if* you accept the descriptors that they offer, *everyone* in American political office is economically rightwing. And none of them describe themselves as being gay.
Does that mean Americans are ruled by a small group of radical economic heterosexuals?

Yay! Conspiriacy!

At first I thought this had something to do with Hans-Herman Hoppe.

The issue realy is, while both parties are anti-gay marrage, alot of people don't know the Democrats stand on it, but they know Republicans are against it. Therefor, they gravitate to the democrats and the resulting left-wing economic policies.

I'm gay, and I had to vote for being in favor of right-wing economics.

However, I consider myself center-right.

Libertarians believe in free market economy and the fact that the government should interfere in the private life of individuals.

The premise of this thread is simple. Gay people are generally viewed as more left wing (I try to avoid the word Liberal as its meaning changes country to country). I don't believe this is the case at all and in fact that in an economic sense openly gay people are more right wing. Opinions? Am I just off my hat?
What about those of us who are "moderate" and straight? Huh? What about us? :p

I'm good friends with a fiercely Republican Lesbian, she would probably be willing to give you a ear full about Gay's that go left like it was a fashion trend.

I'm good friends with a fiercely Republican Lesbian, she would probably be willing to give you a ear full about Gay's that go left like it was a fashion trend.

Sounds like a bisexual girl I know. Though, I think she’s only so pro-Republican because she likes to shoot things (animals not people). I guess that means the fanatical religious right really doesn’t have to worry about the "militant gay movement". They are on their side!:eek:

I am confused... not sexually, just really confused. question: wtf? second how the hell can you be economically biased? i think u mean political affiliation. either way, how much money you make has nothing to do with your sexuallity... unless you are whoring yourself out.

Well, based on the poll, each subdivision of sexuality has approximately the same ratio of left- to right-wingers, with NS being generally more leftist.

I am confused... not sexually, just really confused. question: wtf? second how the hell can you be economically biased? i think u mean political affiliation. either way, how much money you make has nothing to do with your sexuallity... unless you are whoring yourself out.

Uh, okay. A person’s economic views can have little to do with the amount of money they have. You have rich socialists and white trash capitalists, for instance.

...unless you are whoring yourself out.
I which case God shall pwn joo...

What about those of us who are "moderate" and straight? Huh? What about us? :p

"Moderate" options tend to make people levitate towards that, even if they aren't actually moderate. Thats why most linear surveys tend to have an even number of options.

Plus moderates are just the far right in denial.

Plus moderates are just the far right in denial.

That's BS.

That's BS.

Thats my sense of humour (or lack there of) you're talking about.

I think this poll,, like most polls on this forum, will produce a result that shows more 'left' people than what the numbers are in the real world.

Though I don't see what ones sexuality has to do with their economic preference, I voted anyway.

Bisexual and economically left wing

The premise of this thread is simple. Gay people are generally viewed as more left wing (I try to avoid the word Liberal as its meaning changes country to country). I don't believe this is the case at all and in fact that in an economic sense openly gay people are more right wing. Opinions? Am I just off my hat?

So far, it looks like you were wrong. Well, not really since this poll isnt scientific, but the findings of the poll contradict your claim nevertheless

Sorry about my earlier comment.. I should lighten up..

Quite a few of my gay friends are right libertarian... actually most of my friends are gay. Go figure lol.. heheh...

Sorry about my earlier comment.. I should lighten up..

Quite a few of my gay friends are right libertarian... actually most of my friends are gay. Go figure lol.. heheh...

All the gay people I know are right wing; economically at least. Thats part of the reason I made this thread.

Bisexual, though I'm sticking with women for the moment. (I'm a guy) And right wing on economic issues.

Gay and economically right wing. Hence, Liberal voter.

I'm not sure there's any correlation, but for the record, I am a gay libertarian, which means my economic views are quite right wing.

What can be derived from the poll? Jack-squat, no evidence of correlation between anything due to such a small sample.

Straight and economically centrist ... I also work as an economist if that matters ...

Half the Nazis were gay.
There are stories of things happening in the SS, on Hitler Youth camps, etc. I saw a programme about it on C4.

Half the Nazis were gay.
There are stories of things happening in the SS, on Hitler Youth camps, etc. I saw a programme about it on C4.Riiiiiiight... The Nazis persecuted gays and sent them to concentration camps.

El Porro is correct. Many of the early Nazis (perhaps not half) were in fact gay. There are some suggestions that even Hitler himself was gay, but there is no evidence to substantiate such a claim.

Not really, Earnest Rohm was gay, and we all know what happned to him during the night of the long knives :sniper:

El Porro is correct. Many of the early Nazis (perhaps not half) were in fact gay. There are some suggestions that even Hitler himself was gay, but there is no evidence to substantiate such a claim.
Source it or its bullshit.

Edit: Regardless whether the early Nazis were in part gay or not, the regime hunted homesexuals as ruthlessly as some conservatives brandmark them sinners. Btw, more evidence points to Hitler having serious problems with forming relationships with women than him being gay.

Since my political view doesn't really fit in right-left terms I have to avoid answering the poll.
I work for social threefolding, which means that economics, cultural and juridical realms are separate but equal, I also do not really fit into the sexual question since I am a Bisexual/Asexual/Poly mix.

Edit: Regardless whether the early Nazis were in part gay or not, the regime hunted homesexuals as ruthlessly as some conservatives brandmark them sinners.

Ah, yes. Believing an alternate lifestyle is wrong means you’re a Nazi. I had forgotten that rule.

feel better now that you remember it?

Ah, yes. Believing an alternate lifestyle is wrong means you’re a Nazi. I had forgotten that rule.
The rule holds when the person in question is actually a nazi...

Ah, yes. Believing an alternate lifestyle is wrong means you’re a Nazi. I had forgotten that rule.Nah, that's not what I said. Note how I said that fundies "brandmark" gays with a similar passion as Nazis "hunted" them? But you're right. Believe what you want, but keep some of it to yourself.

Umm...isn't left and right wing a tad vague? I can't figure out just what you mean by that really...the parties change over time, and right wing policies today bear little resemblence to the right wing economic policies of 20 years ago.
Stop assuming that "right-wing" is a synonym for "Republican"! (As I assume that is what you are doing.)

As you can see, parties don't always adhere to this idea. The current American conservative party is like this on economic issues, but on social issues it tries to impose itself on private life.
America does not have a conservative party. The UK and Canada do.

Libertarians believe in free market economy and the fact that the government should interfere in the private life of individuals.
lol

I'm good friends with a fiercely Republican Lesbian, she would probably be willing to give you a ear full about Gay's that go left like it was a fashion trend.
Let me guess, is she one of these mythical "gays who oppose gay marriage"?

Uh, okay. A person’s economic views can have little to do with the amount of money they have. You have rich socialists and white trash capitalists, for instance.
It's true that rich socialists and poor capitalists exist, but they are not equal. Rich people vote for right-wing parties in greater proportion than poor people do.

In the local elections where I live the rich areas tend to vote for right-wing and centrist candidates, while the reds come up from the working class areas.

Am I getting the wrong end of the stick, or is someone saying lefties like me are queer? :rolleyes:

Believe what you want, but keep some of it to yourself.

As long as there is freedom of speech, no.

In the local elections where I live the rich areas tend to vote for right-wing and centrist candidates, while the reds come up from the working class areas.

Well, where I live, the poor tend to equate communism with evil and the only real socialists are rich people, comfortable in the fact that the ideas they like because it makes them feel good have little chance of manifesting in the US any time soon.

I'm somewhat bisexual (prolly a 75-25 split) and ever-so-slightly right wing in economics.

I guess that's what I'll choose in the poll, since it's closest.

I'm somewhat bisexual (prolly a 75-25 split) and ever-so-slightly right wing in economics.

I guess that's what I'll choose in the poll, since it's closest.
There's always confused!


Well, I think the poll shows that if there is a bias towards economic liberalism in gays, it's a very minor one at best (with this limited, highly biased sample size).


How about social issues? Shall we make a poll to find out how gays feel about gay rights :p

It's much more likely to be social issues connected to the left wing that homosexuals or bisexuals agree with seeing as left-wing social issues included legalising gay marriage etc.

How about social issues? Shall we make a poll to find out how gays feel about gay rights :p
Haha, there was on thread about gay marriage where one of the conservatives proclaimed that he knew gays who were against gay marriage! My bullshit meter went off (the scale) there.

Well, where I live, the poor tend to equate communism with evil and the only real socialists are rich people, comfortable in the fact that the ideas they like because it makes them feel good have little chance of manifesting in the US any time soon.
So you are saying that the rich, where you live, vote for socialist parties in greater proportion than the poor? I have difficultly believing that. Are you getting this all from the American "liberal elite" myth?

What does sexual preferance have to do with economics?

So you are saying that the rich, where you live, vote for socialist parties in greater proportion than the poor? I have difficultly believing that. Are you getting this all from the American "liberal elite" myth?
You are correct in that rich vote conservative more than the poor; but really doesn't affect the poll outcome. There is only a problem if economic philosophy is COMPLETELY dependent on wealth, in which case any relationship between the variables becomes even more non-sensical.

@Scapegoats: Very little it appears.

So you are saying that the rich, where you live, vote for socialist parties in greater proportion than the poor? I have difficultly believing that. Are you getting this all from the American "liberal elite" myth?

First off, it isn’t a myth. Just look at Hollywood. Secondly, we don’t have any major socialist parties to vote for. :p

I dont think that if someone is gay, they vote differently. Unless there is a pro-gay rights party. And I dont think I've ever seen one of those... ;)