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This I was wondering for a while and thought that Israel may let them have their independance if the populance converted to Judaism. I mean the religous numbers left of the Jewish were few after WWII. And perhaps a mass conversion will help the palestinians be free again. Do you approve of this anwser?

The palestinians should completely swear off terrorism and punish any palestinians who commit terrorist acts. Then Israel won't have any reason to mess with them.

This is far too unrealistic to even consider. The Palestinians are Arab muslims, and they will remain that way. The problem lies with both parties, after all, the Arabs promised to drive the Jews "into the sea". And the Israelis are no better, bombing for the sake of fear, and encroaching on Palestinian land with "settlements". Blah.

This is far too unrealistic to even consider. The Palestinians are Arab muslims, and they will remain that way. The problem lies with both parties, after all, the Arabs promised to drive the Jews "into the sea". And the Israelis are no better, bombing for the sake of fear, and encroaching on Palestinian land with "settlements". Blah.
What do you mean by "bombing for the sake of fear"?

How can you say the Israelis are no better when Palestinian Hamas terrorists shoot mortars and rockets at Israeli civilian neighborhoods for no good reason? Israel hasn't made a habit of attacking civilians. Hamas has, and they've been rewarded with political victories for it by the Palestinian people.

The purpose of bombing in Palestine is not to destroy industrial capacity. They have no industrial capacity. The purpose of bombing is claimed by Israel to eliminate "terrorist" leaders or "terrorist" cells. Much of the bombing done has killed civilians in the process, which undoubtedly leads to an atmosphere of fear.

The Israelis are no better because they kill civilians in the process of acheiving their aims, much as the Palestinians do. Try to be objective; Israel is just as much the problem as Palestine is.

The opening post of this thread deserves this year's Most Illogical Post award.

how about they declare islam to be a sect of judaism instead?

This I was wondering for a while and thought that Israel may let them have their independance if the populance converted to Judaism. I mean the religous numbers left of the Jewish were few after WWII. And perhaps a mass conversion will help the palestinians be free again. Do you approve of this anwser?

To convert a population to another religion is a difficult and cruel thing that would be considered nothing short of inhumane, however, it is not something they have not been through before. Palastine has not always been Arab / Muslim.
In todays age, it is much easier and more quickly accomplished to simply educate religion out of the population. Of course this means the destruction of the family unit in favor of government, distruction of moral values, distruction of individual choices. Educational facilities would take on duties of indoctrination as apposed to learning. Cultural values must be attacked constantly and anything considered good must be found to be wrong. Hard work and merit would be replaced with programs that reward good thinking so something similar to affirmative action goes a long ways.
It is a difficult and long term project, but it can be done at great loss of life.

The opening post of this thread deserves this year's Most Illogical Post award.

Nothing illogical about it. Just very dirty business getting it done.

This I was wondering for a while and thought that Israel may let them have their independance if the populance converted to Judaism. I mean the religous numbers left of the Jewish were few after WWII. And perhaps a mass conversion will help the palestinians be free again. Do you approve of this anwser?

What is your problem? Honestly? Why not just genocide? Or why don't we just make them all learn english? If we ever try to convert them there will be a war beyond anything you can imagine. It would be a rallying cry for every Muslim country.....

how about they declare islam to be a sect of judaism instead?
The Christianity would need to do the same :p

(which makes more sense than you think...)

I just wanna check is the war between them because of A. Differing Religious opinions B. ISrael is power hungry C. BEcause PAlestine is power humgry or D. which i tink is right becuse, PAlestine invaded Israel Israel with US and GB kicked ass beat them off AND conquered the west bank to rub it in? can some one tell me

OR E. The muslims dont like Jews F. Jews dont like Muslims G. None knows cos we have forgotten G. They have always done it Why stop .Or H. A combination of this lot

What a silly question, of course not!

Should America convert all their populace to Muslim so bin Laden likes them?

Think about it!

Much of what you said is somewhat accurate Sofon, but the wording should be changed a little bit. When Israel was created, it was made up of land once populated in majority by Arab muslims. Thus, the Arabs feared Israel would expand and take more land. A loose alliance of neighboring Arab nations invaded Israel, not Palestine, and Israel fought them off, due in part to the fact the average Israeli soldier was better equipped and trained than the average Arab soldier, and due in part to supplies from various Western nations.

The war continues because of religious differences, and mutual woes. One side attacks the other, and is attacked in response, and attacks back, so on and so forth. Luckily there hasn't been too much violence recently, but there will be flare-ups in the near future for sure.

If you'd like to learn about the Israeli-Arab wars, a google.com search would probably bring up loads of information.

on a less serious note

if the population of palestine converted to judaism (and it was accepted by whoever in israel would make such a ruling) they would become part of israel and thus NOT gain their independance

so the answer is NO

Should America convert all their populace to Muslim so bin Laden likes them?

Think about it!

Well it would be rather amusing.

This I was wondering for a while and thought that Israel may let them have their independance if the populance converted to Judaism. I mean the religous numbers left of the Jewish were few after WWII. And perhaps a mass conversion will help the palestinians be free again. Do you approve of this anwser?

The sheer idiocy of this makes me want to laugh!

Also I have a would change your mind on the matter?

So what happens if you are an Israeli and you convert to Islam? Are you still an Israeli?

What if the Palestinians converted to Judaism, claimed their right to Israeli citizenship, expanded the boundaries of Israel to include all that disputed Palestinian land, and then converted back to Islam en masse? What then?

So what happens if you are an Israeli and you convert to Islam? Are you still an Israeli?

What if the Palestinians converted to Judaism, claimed their right to Israeli citizenship, expanded the boundaries of Israel to include all that disputed Palestinian land, and then converted back to Islam en masse? What then?

Status quo.

Ah, but would they not all be Israeli citizens then, and thus no longer subject to bulldozers, security checks, work restrictions, land seizures, et cetera?

Actually what i thought of was like this: Israel will regconize Palestine as a sovereign nation but Palestine must have their populance convert to judaism in exchange, It is that simple.

This I was wondering for a while and thought that Israel may let them have their independance if the populance converted to Judaism. I mean the religous numbers left of the Jewish were few after WWII. And perhaps a mass conversion will help the palestinians be free again. Do you approve of this anwser?
What the? Are you serious?

Better answer: How about they all become atheists and leave religion out of it?

Why don't all the Israelis move to Cuba and the Cubans to Israel?

America would be happy because they wouldn't have a communist country on their doorstep.
Cuba would be happy because they could be nearer to Russia and would make a fortune from tourists and pilgrims visiting.
Israel would get away from the Arab nations and would be nearer to America.
The Arab countries wouldn't have to worry about Israel trying to expand its borders again.

I reckon they could transfer over the course of a month if all the budget airlines were hired.
Admittedly the Israelis would lose Jerusalem but the Cubans are used to tourism, who better to open up Jerusalem to everyone?

And yes I admit to stealing the idea from Bremner, Bird and Fortune. :)

Why don't all the Israelis move to Cuba and the Cubans to Israel?

America would be happy because they wouldn't have a communist country on their doorstep.
Cuba would be happy because they could be nearer to Russia and would make a fortune from tourists and pilgrims visiting.
Israel would get away from the Arab nations and would be nearer to America.
The Arab countries wouldn't have to worry about Israel trying to expand its borders again.

I reckon they could transfer over the course of a month if all the budget airlines were hired.
Admittedly the Israelis would lose Jerusalem but the Cubans are used to tourism, who better to open up Jerusalem to everyone?

And yes I admit to stealing the idea from Bremner, Bird and Fortune. :)it may create problems, unless you will discover part of the bible that say the "holy land is
in cuba". I think you can do it. after all people discover weirdest things at the bible (including prophets for things after they happened).

it may create problems, unless you will discover part of the bible that say the "holy land is
in cuba". I think you can do it. after all people discover weirdest things at the bible (including prophets for things after they happened).

What's Israel got that Cuba hasn't (apart from camels)? :D

What's Israel got that Cuba hasn't (apart from camels)? :D
some antiques from the ancient israel period and hidden scrolls that have been found in the israeli desert. and places names that were in the bible. and holy places.
it wouldn't be diffuclt to dismiss it.

Actually what i thought of was like this: Israel will regconize Palestine as a sovereign nation but Palestine must have their populance convert to judaism in exchange, It is that simple.

In which case Al Qaeda and every other fanatic terrorist groups get yet another propaganda bonus saying Israel is subjugating Muslims and taking away their identity while declaring the Palestinians traitors and sellouts to Islam.

And both just get the shit bombed out of them even more than usual.

You haven't given this much forethought have you?

What do you mean by "bombing for the sake of fear"?

How can you say the Israelis are no better when Palestinian Hamas terrorists shoot mortars and rockets at Israeli civilian neighborhoods for no good reason? Israel hasn't made a habit of attacking civilians. Hamas has, and they've been rewarded with political victories for it by the Palestinian people.

Alot of this started back in 1957 when an Israeli citizen took his rifle into a mosque and started shooting unarmed civilians while they worshipped. Both sides do bad shit. Neither is a pure white water lily.

The palestinians should completely swear off terrorism and punish any palestinians who commit terrorist acts. Then Israel won't have any reason to mess with them.

EXACTLY (taking "Palestinians" in the first instance you say it to mean the Palestinian government in particular, of course). That's the way they'll get their state (again). Converting to Judaism....completely unrealistic. You're treating religion as a game, not as a belief system, and if I believe in Islam, you can't make me just start believing in the tenets of Judaism, for example. And moreover, Israel doesn't exactly ban Muslims from the country, there are plenty of them living there. No, religion isn't the reason Israel is reluctant to help establish a Palestinian state. Terrorism is.

The purpose of bombing in Palestine is not to destroy industrial capacity. They have no industrial capacity. The purpose of bombing is claimed by Israel to eliminate "terrorist" leaders or "terrorist" cells. Much of the bombing done has killed civilians in the process, which undoubtedly leads to an atmosphere of fear.

The Israelis are no better because they kill civilians in the process of acheiving their aims, much as the Palestinians do. Try to be objective; Israel is just as much the problem as Palestine is.

Look at it from a moral perspective--the Palestinian groups like Hamas, etc., target civilians, people who have done nothing to them, caring very little about government or military targets. The Israelis aim for the terrorists who kill these innocent civilians. Which side is "more right"?

Of course there are innocent civilians being killed on each side, there will never be a war without innocent casualties. But groups like Hamas try to kill them. That's pure evil. The Israelis, excepting a few mistakes (that the individuals responsible should of course be punished for), make every effort to avoid innocent casualties (how many terrorists have they let go because they were using human shields? Just look at the disengagement crisis going on right now), but you can never completely avoid them.

The Allies inevitably caused thousands upon thousands of innocent German deaths during World War II. Would we have been better off if we just let Hitler keep doing his business?

What is your problem? Honestly? Why not just genocide? Or why don't we just make them all learn english? If we ever try to convert them there will be a war beyond anything you can imagine. It would be a rallying cry for every Muslim country.....

Agreed. The Israelis piss off enough of the Arab world for doing things they have every right to do, no need to do something as unjustified as mass conversion to really rile them up.

So what happens if you are an Israeli and you convert to Islam? Are you still an Israeli?

Absolutely, I would think. There are plenty of Muslims and Christians and Buddhists and Hare Krishnas in Israel, I would suspect citizenship isn't just for the Jews...

it may create problems, unless you will discover part of the bible that say the "holy land is
in cuba"

Leviticus 13:5

:p

Actually what i thought of was like this: Israel will regconize Palestine as a sovereign nation but Palestine must have their populance convert to judaism in exchange, It is that simple.

Buuuuuuut the Israelis don't care if some people in another country are Jews or Muslims. The Israelis don't go around attacking every Gentile country they see, right? The problem is terrorism, not religion.

Alot of this started back in 1957 when an Israeli citizen took his rifle into a mosque and started shooting unarmed civilians while they worshipped. Both sides do bad shit. Neither is a pure white water lily.

No country is a pure white water lily. Except you cite the case of one Israeli citizen. I believe most of the attacks against Israeli civilians have been supported by the PLO/PA.

And it didn't start then in 1957. The Israelis weren't invaded by the Palestinians in 1948 (the first of five wars that, had they lost any of them, would have taken away Israel's independence had they lost) because of the actions of one Israeli nine years later.

Leviticus 13:5

:p

'On the seventh day the priest is to examine him again, and if he sees that the sore is unchanged and has not spread in the skin, he is to keep him in isolation another seven day.'

Eh?

Thats the first time in my life I've actually looked up a quote (or indeed read) my bible, what a let down... :(

~sigh~ no, I was just being sarcastic. But well done looking that up!

PS Thread title, isn't the word spelled "populace"?

No country is a pure white water lily. Except you cite the case of one Israeli citizen. I believe most of the attacks against Israeli civilians have been supported by the PLO/PA.

And it didn't start then in 1957. The Israelis weren't invaded by the Palestinians in 1948 (the first of five wars that, had they lost any of them, would have taken away Israel's independence had they lost) because of the actions of one Israeli nine years later.

You tell me these things as if I did not already know them.....

I don't recall saying that it did start in 1957. I said 'Alot of it started in 1957.' Should have been more clear about that. If I wanted to say that it started in 1957, I would have said "It all started in 1957." But if I wanted instead to say that alot of it started in 1957, I would have said "Alot of it started in 1957." Oh, wait.
We can go back to the days of Ottoman rule, or speak of the hardships during the British Mandate (ever hear that phrase 'divide and conquer?'), but really, it is like beating a dead horse. Or shooting a mortar at one, or driving over it with a tank.
Well, you were right that most of the suicide bombers, mortar and rocket attacks were probably carried by the PLO or various other assorted, miscellaneous terrorist organizations. And in retaliation, the IDF rolls a tank or two through a refugee camp, and the cycle continues happily, for ever and ever.

~sigh~ no, I was just being sarcastic. But well done looking that up!

PS Thread title, isn't the word spelled "populace"?

I wish you hadn't, the section was a weird one about skin diseases. Apparently if you have a skin disease you have to be locked up for a week by the nearest vicar. Be afraid, be very afraid...