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Soldier survives attack; captures, medically treats sniper (Video)




Pfc. Stephen Tschiderer is a native of Mendon, N.Y. —

During a routine patrol in Baghdad June 2, Army Pfc. Stephen Tschiderer, a medic, was shot in the chest by an enemy sniper, hiding in a van just 75 yards away. The incident was filmed by the insurgents.
Tschiderer, with E Troop, 101st "Saber" Cavalry Division, attached to 3rd Battalion, 156th Infantry Regiment, 256th Brigade Combat Team, 3rd Infantry Division, was knocked to the ground from the impact, but he popped right back up, took cover and located the enemy's position.

After tracking down the now-wounded sniper with a team from B Company, 4th Battalion, 1st Iraqi Army Brigade, Tschiderer secured the terrorist with a pair of handcuffs and gave medical aid to the terrorist who'd tried to kill him just minutes before.

See the video of the attack.
EDIT : URL = http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-976420.php

http://images.military.com/Video/050713_SniperShot.wmv

That was some amazing video footage. Body armor is a good thing! ;)

funny... he looked like a Universal Soldier

funny... he looked like a Universal Soldier

*ENTER JEAN-CLAUDE VAN DAMM*

SHOCK NEWS!!!

Body armour saves lives!
Bears defacate in woods!
Pope admits to Catholic leanings!
Fish found in water!

Yet these things aren't broadcast by the obviously anti-american slanted media from around the world, only negative information.

Great video

Greedy Pig, if you don't mind me asking, where are you from?? I was reading another message board, thought a post was from you (I could be wrong) that mentioned a very high import tax... I was just curious...

Greedy Pig, if you don't mind me asking, where are you from?? I was reading another message board, thought a post was from you (I could be wrong) that mentioned a very high import tax... I was just curious...


Malaysia. We have very high car import tax (200-300% tax, depending on the car. Like sports cars and higher end cars are nearly triple the price you can find elsewhere!).

It's some protectionism rubbish our government implement to safeguard the survival of our national car. The Proton and Perodua. (Pretty crap cars, but their getting better.. slowly).

I thought sniper bullets were armour piercing

I thought sniper bullets were armour piercing

It would have probably been an iraqi with a AK, or a sporting rifle, nowt special... its possible they could have had something better, but most likley the soldier would have been killed, so i still reckon its an AK

I thought sniper bullets were armour piercing
Depends on the rifle. If the sniper was making do with a normal assault rifle like an AK, no. Interceptor body armor with the ceramic plates installed will stop it easily. If he's using a rifle that fires a faster, heavier bullet, it may go through.

it didnt sound to loud neither, wudnt a sniper rifle make a huge sound

The fact that the kid got back up and found a way to get the snipers captured/stopped is, well, his job.

The fact that he himself treated the sniper's wounds who shot him just a few minutes before, proves He is one of the good guys :D

Support Your Troops! :cool:

If the sound quality can be trusted, he may have been using subsonic rounds. Another reason the body armour could stop it.

Why exactly is it news that body armour stops bullets?

I thought that was the purpose... and something that policemen know all to well anyways. It's not some miraculous occurance anymore when you've already met someone whose life has been saved by some sort of body armour.

Why exactly is it news that body armour stops bullets?

I thought that was the purpose... and something that policemen know all to well anyways. It's not some miraculous occurance anymore when you've already met someone whose life has been saved by some sort of body armour.
Until fairly recently body armor capable of stopping a bullet from a rifle was too bulky for combat troops to wear. Ask a cop if his vest will stop a bullet from an AK or an AR 15. It won't. It's meant to stop pistol rounds. That's all that body armor could do for most of the time it was in existance.

I thought sniper bullets were armour piercing
In most cases, standard issue military sniper rifles (especially in the 7.62mm/.300" - 8.6mm/.338" range) do not fire rounds designed to be armor piercing. Only with heavy sniper rifles and anti-material rifles (AMRs) is it common practice to use armor piercing rounds.

Not that it would matter much. Standard steel armor piercing rifle rounds fired from 7.62x51mm/7.62x54mmR/.30-06 rifles at close ranges are still stopped by many/most rigid plate inserts (NIJ level IV). With a weapon in the power range, you'll need bullets with tungsten carbide cores to get through those plates. More powerful military/sniper rifles are quite rare in the 3rd world -- I haven't seen any AMRs in use by the insurgents in Iraq.

Why exactly is it news that body armour stops bullets?

I thought that was the purpose... and something that policemen know all to well anyways. It's not some miraculous occurance anymore when you've already met someone whose life has been saved by some sort of body armour.

In additon to what was said above, about the technicalities of the armor... the video is news becuase we don't see this everyday, to see sniper's view via video footage of an actual attempted shooting...


You can hear the guy fire and then start saying, Allah is great, Allah is great, Allah is great, over and over again. Then you hear the other interrupting to ask if he if he "got'em," and the sniper responds, "uh, uh," clearly in the negative. *chokes me up seeing that soldier get back up, can you imagine what his family is going to go through when they see this?

You don't see that everyday. I would like to see the rest of the video the soldiers captured, but I understand they don't want to teach 'how' to sneak up on a working guard, so we won't see that in public unless the terrorist themselves release it, we also don't want the other terrorist to now know how much we know about their techniques in sneaking up and setting up a sniper ambush.

-Last Bump for those who haven't seen it :)-

75 yards...? ..pfft. What was he doing with a sniper rifle at that range? And if he had a sniper rifle at that range, what was he doing aiming at the chest?

Sigh. This is why terrorists should stick to suicide-bombing. At least they can get that right...

If the sound quality can be trusted, he may have been using subsonic rounds. Another reason the body armour could stop it.

I think the video camera was just far away, they were probobly using and SVD, I've seen alot of insurgents and terrorists holding them on the news from over there

Malaysia. We have very high car import tax (200-300% tax, depending on the car. Like sports cars and higher end cars are nearly triple the price you can find elsewhere!).

It's some protectionism rubbish our government implement to safeguard the survival of our national car. The Proton and Perodua. (Pretty crap cars, but their getting better.. slowly).

heh, my girlfriend is from Malaysia.

as far as the sniper shooting, it was a dragonov(sp) sniper rifle and the shot deflected off his armor, if it didn't, he probably would have been dead. http://www.armytimes.com/content/editorial/pdf/at_sniper071505.pdf

Depends on the rifle. If the sniper was making do with a normal assault rifle like an AK, no. Interceptor body armor with the ceramic plates installed will stop it easily. If he's using a rifle that fires a faster, heavier bullet, it may go through.



I thought AK-47's were renowned for their ability to pierce body armor?

I thought AK-47's were renowned for their ability to pierce body armor?

Mirchaz is right, it was a 7.62x54R Dragunov. This is equivalent to a .30/06, considerably more powerful than the AK round.

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:-PS1eNtBY0gJ:www.sovietarmy.com/small_arms/svd.html+dragunov+7.62+cartridge&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

The AK-47 fires the 7.62x39, a shorter and less powerful cartridge. It has less power than many deer hunting rifles. It does not have any intrinsic armor peircing capability, but armor-piercing rounds containing a steel or tungsten steel penetrator will penetrate deeper than conventional ball ammo.

Lawmakers trying to rid the world of miltary-style weapons often bring up the power of "assault rifles". They are usually wrong.

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:kdcDFEugU5AJ:www.ak-47.net/ammo/steelcore.html+7.62x39+armor+piercing&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:Psu4At4vIrQJ:gunboards.com/forums/topic.asp%3FTOPIC_ID%3D39828+7.62x39+armor+piercing&hl=en&ie=UTF-8