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http://www.acrocom.com/gripes

Might clear up some misconceptions for you.

At least read http://www.acrocom.com/gripes/18.html

and 104, which is linked in 18.

Wow. And since it's an American Military Document, only the most blind and deaf Bushevik would dismiss this as Liberal Propaganda.

But still, the french did nothing for us in ww2, and we went in twice only to save them.

right.

But still, the french did nothing for us in ww2, and we went in twice only to save them.

right.

Don't forget they're Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys who made life absolutely comfortable for the German Occupation. Made the Third Reich's war machine go smoother and inflict more casualties than they could have otherwise, yessiree...

The title SHOULD have added....

"From an American soldiers point of view"


Iam ENGLISH, I dont like the French much and I found those gripes and reasons thoroughly useless for someone who A) Isnt in the American army, B) Isnt American.

Please only put titles like that if its for EVERYBODYS benefit.


Thankyou :D

I don't quite understand how people can hate the French. Sure, I think their food is not so great and their cars horrible. And maybe I don't like certain political choices on the part of the government of France, but I have no problem with the French people in general. In my experience they're folks a lot like the rest of us. They want better lives for themselves and their family, a secure homeland, and a little happiness and liberty on the side.

Note: Words in Italics pronounced with French accent. ;)

But still, the french did nothing for us in ww2, and we went in twice only to save them.

To save the french ? Please just read the first "gripe" ;)

This doesn’t change my opinion of them at all. I dislike the French because they dislike us, plain and simple.

That list takes the Germans to task.

That list takes the Germans to task.Here's a worse one:
Some German History (http://www.strategypage.com/humor/articles/20030314.asp)

Who hates the French? I think they're great! Especially with a touch of garlic and butter. :)

-JK - They are fun to pick on, sorta like how rednecks are. There is no hate, only amusement at their way of thinking.

well i don't like the French. And never will.

There is no hate, only amusement at their way of thinking.

Yeah, thanks for that General Iser.

Yeah, thanks for that General Iser.


LOL, I had to read that twice to get it. :)
You are correct, I am specific to stereotypical redneck and French behavior only.

French are nice people... nothing wrong with them

I'm english and I dislike the french with a passion. It's not the people I hate because having visited France they were very pleasant. It the useless, selfish yet cowardly polictical groups that seem to breed there. French meat producers, french fishermen, french power producers and a whole host of others. Maybe it's when they get into groups that trouble starts and a french man or woman alone is ok.

As far as the last 100 years of history go the english have done nothing harm the french. Everybody knows about the men we all lost saving them twice. For all they seem to care now we should have stopped at home, shot a million men a week and not crippled our economy.

I'm english and I dislike the french with a passion. It's not the people I hate because having visited France they were very pleasant. It the useless, selfish yet cowardly polictical groups that seem to breed there. French meat producers, french fishermen, french power producers and a whole host of others. Maybe it's when they get into groups that trouble starts and a french man or woman alone is ok.

As far as the last 100 years of history go the english have done nothing harm the french. Everybody knows about the men we all lost saving them twice. For all they seem to care now we should have stopped at home, shot a million men a week and not crippled our economy.
Ah, come on, you didn't do it save the French but to preserve a balance of power.

Here's a worse one:
Some German History (http://www.strategypage.com/humor/articles/20030314.asp)

lmao, that's a good one, really! :D :D :D

lmao, that's a good one, really! :D :D :D
It's serious bullshit though...

Here's a worse one:
Some German History (http://www.strategypage.com/humor/articles/20030314.asp)

Too biased. Germany didn't start WW1. Must contain anger.

No. 66

"The French, on the whole, certainly do not drive as well, keep a car up as well, or protect their vehicles as well as we do. Neither do women, compared to men."

Haha.

Too biased. Germany didn't start WW1. Must contain anger.Germany didn't drag the Peace loving Americans into WW2 either, the Japanese did...
It's a dreadfully overgeneralized list.

I don't think people around the world really hate the French as a whole, there are just so many stupid political, military, and economic moves on their government's record that the world has lost respect for their nation, the individual citizens are pretty much just like everyone else. The government on the other hand:

1. Very strict trade laws and regulations, protectionist views the world economic powers dislike, as do their own people from what I am told.

2. Support of horrible dictators such as the financial problems due to their part in the oil for food hoax, and monetary exchanges with the likes of Saddam Hussein.

3. Constant slaps in the face to American military forces, dating back to refusal to let American forces fly over their air space when responding to a bombing of an American civilian plane by Libyans in the 80's.

4. Pres. Chirac's vibe he gives off to the rest of the world that he cares about the French people and the French people only, that he could care less about terrorism, foreign aggression, as long as it doesn't directly involve the French people.

These are just a few points of the top of my head, which is why millions of Americans have decided to

BOYCOTT FRANCE!!!!!!!!

1. Very strict trade laws and regulations, protectionist views the world economic powers dislike, as do their own people from what I am told.

And this is a reason to dislike the French why?

2. Support of horrible dictators such as the financial problems due to their part in the oil for food hoax, and monetary exchanges with the likes of Saddam Hussein.

Pinochet, anyone?

3. Constant slaps in the face to American military forces, dating back to refusal to let American forces fly over their air space when responding to a bombing of an American civilian plane by Libyans in the 80's.

It's their airspace, they have every right to refuse. The US had the USS America in the mediterranean, I believe anyway.

4. Pres. Chirac's vibe he gives off to the rest of the world that he cares about the French people and the French people only, that he could care less about terrorism, foreign aggression, as long as it doesn't directly involve the French people.

The US only cares about US citizens and US citizens alone. They couldn't care less about terrorism and foreign aggression provided it doesn't directly affect their interests. Discuss.

I find it sad really, that in America, the defense of the French is forced to be done entirely by the half of the Americans that have never been there...

All of the Americans that have been there and the other half of the people that haven't been there, should pick on some-group their own size!


:D lol

And this is a reason to dislike the French why?

Pinochet, anyone?



It's their airspace, they have every right to refuse. The US had the USS America in the mediterranean, I believe anyway.



The US only cares about US citizens and US citizens alone. They couldn't care less about terrorism and foreign aggression provided it doesn't directly affect their interests. Discuss.

The subject being that other nations of the world do not hate the French people, but rather their ridiculous government policy and governing body. Of course any criticism can be responded to with "It's theirs and they can do what they want" the same rationale could be given to people's dislike of the French..... "It's their opinion, and they are entitled to it" This by no means is good reasoning on either part....

The US has military bases and carriers all over the world, but to refuse an ally's request to use airspace is a direct slap in the face... period..

The idea that the US only cares about Americans is the biggest load of bull I have ever seen in print, and I hope you honestly don't believe what you are typing.. If that were the case, the French would be speaking German right now. Americans have shed blood in defense of freedom around the world for generations, and will always continue to do so to the best of their ability. Of course you are titled to your opinion, which I respect, but hardly can one believe The Americans are anything but Selfless.

Mentioning Pinochet is hardly justifying the French's support of Saddam Hussein's regime, you may want to rethink your logic on that one.

Care to elaborate on these points.

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The idea that the US only cares about Americans is the biggest load of bull I have ever seen in print, and I hope you honestly don't believe what you are typing.. If that were the case, the French would be speaking German right now. Americans have shed blood in defense of freedom around the world for generations, and will always continue to do so to the best of their ability. Of course you are titled to your opinion, which I respect, but hardly can one believe The Americans are anything but Selfless.

Says someone who clearly didn't read the bloody list... or a history book.

The U.S. did pretty much squat about the French being invaded until Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, which resulted in the U.S. declaring war only on Japan, which resulted in Germany declaring war on the U.S. in response because Japan was one of the Axis allies... which then required the U.S. to declare war on Germany in return and go do something about them before their forces started showing up at the U.S. doorstep.

That is why the U.S. got involved in WWII, not out of some desire to "shed blood in the defense of freedom"... at least not anyone's freedom but their own.

Americans wonder why people overseas tend not to like them very much? Certain types of people making arrogant statements like this one about the U.S. being some kind of selfless knight in shining armor during WWII when the people over there know damn well they were left out in the cold by the U.S. for years until they got forced into the conflict, and the general mentality that goes along with such statements, are a large contributing factor.

-JK - They are fun to pick on, sorta like how rednecks are. There is no hate, only amusement at their way of thinking.
Yeah, but rednecks are actually annoying in real life, if at least for that accent. The french in real life aren't annoying.

Question to Kanabia: offsubject

How do you get your scores to appear with your signature?? Like the Economic/socialist + or - score..... Just curious..

I'll never like people who irrationally hate the French.

Says someone who clearly didn't read the bloody list... or a history book.

The U.S. did pretty much squat about the French being invaded until Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, which resulted in the U.S. declaring war only on Japan, which resulted in Germany declaring war on the U.S. in response because Japan was one of the Axis allies... which then required the U.S. to declare war on Germany in return and go do something about them before their forces started showing up at the U.S. doorstep.

That is why the U.S. got involved in WWII, not out of some desire to "shed blood in the defense of freedom"... at least not anyone's freedom but their own.

Americans wonder why people overseas tend not to like them very much? Certain types of people making arrogant statements like this one about the U.S. being some kind of selfless knight in shining armor during WWII when the people over there know damn well they were left out in the cold by the U.S. for years until they got forced into the conflict, and the general mentality that goes along with such statements, are a large contributing factor.


This coming from someone who believes they speak on behalf of the whole rest of the world.... :gundge:

4. Pres. Chirac's vibe he gives off to the rest of the world that he cares about the French people and the French people only, that he could care less about terrorism, foreign aggression, as long as it doesn't directly involve the French people.

Got anything other than a 'vibe'?

I get all kinds of vibes from all sorts of political figures. Doesn't mean too much at the end of the day, though.

This coming from someone who believes they speak on behalf of the whole rest of the world.... :gundge:

I assume you're referring to my pointing out that statements like the ones I was responding to and the sentiments that inspire them are a large contributing factor to anti-American sentiment abroad?

Did you have anything of substance to respond to that point with or were you just going to continue to fire gundge smilies in my general direction as the crux of your argument?

Got anything other than a 'vibe'?

I get all kinds of vibes from all sorts of political figures. Doesn't mean too much at the end of the day, though.


Why is everyone attacking Danmarc for his/her comments. From what I see, they aren't implying everyone should hate, nor did they even say they hated the French. It appears to be a response from a previous posed question as to why people globally would harbor anti-French feelings. Personally, I would say a "vibe", although perhaps a poor choice of wording, that a world leader (assuming you are willing to give the French that much respect) such as Chirac gives the rest of the world, that France is out for the French, and that is their limit, definitely would be one reason to harbor negative feelings... Make sense? That and it appears there are 3 other points, the "vibe" is just one of multiple points. Well spoken Danmarc..

I assume you're referring to my pointing out that statements like the ones I was responding to and the sentiments that inspire them are a large contributing factor to anti-American sentiment abroad?

Did you have anything of substance to respond to that point with or were you just going to continue to fire gundge smilies in my general direction as the crux of your argument?

The latter reason I wager.

long live the gunge smiley..... I suppose

http://www.acrocom.com/gripes

Might clear up some misconceptions for you.

At least read http://www.acrocom.com/gripes/18.html

and 104, which is linked in 18.

Since these links are nothing but American military indoctrination from 50 years back, why should we lend them any credence today? My beliefs in French inferiority are unchanged. :p

Why is everyone attacking Danmarc for his/her comments.

Who said anything about 'attacking'? I asked a question. Asking questions is not an attack. It's an inquiry.

You must not know me too well, Rolen. If for some reason I choose to 'attack' anybody 'round here, trust me - you'll know it when you see it.

Who said anything about 'attacking'? I asked a question. Asking questions is not an attack. It's an inquiry.

You must not know me too well, Rolen. If for some reason I choose to 'attack' anybody 'round here, trust me - you'll know it when you see it.


Apparantly not everybody in the Nationstates Forum world knows of the all powerful Dobbsworld... Guess it's time to pack up the overinflated ego...

Apparantly not everybody in the Nationstates Forum world knows of the all powerful Dobbsworld... Guess it's time to pack up the overinflated ego...

All powerful? Hardly.

Overinflated ego? Well, that's all rather subjective. And not terribly kind. I wonder why you feel it incumbent upon you to comport yourself in such a manner where my innocuous question, directed not at you, but at another poster, is concerned.

I'm not attacking anyone. On the other hand, you are. It's unfortunate, but there it is. Why do you feel unduly put upon, Rolen?

The subject being that other nations of the world do not hate the French people, but rather their ridiculous government policy and governing body. Of course any criticism can be responded to with "It's theirs and they can do what they want" the same rationale could be given to people's dislike of the French..... "It's their opinion, and they are entitled to it" This by no means is good reasoning on either part....

Oh, you can feel entitled to dislike their government policy. I just don't see how something like "ridiculous government policy and governing body" (which is a purely subjective opinion...personally, i don't normally label stable multiparty democracies as "ridiculous" myself, though I disagree with the economic policies of nearly all of them) reflects poorly on the French people. Does the average French-hater think "Wow, them French are just too damn protectionist! I really wish they'd relax the trade tarriffs and make it easier for our businesses to compete in their markets!"? I sincerely doubt it.

The US has military bases and carriers all over the world, but to refuse an ally's request to use airspace is a direct slap in the face... period..

There was no formal obligation whatsoever for the French government to accept the request, though. I don't see how it's such a big deal, anyway?

The idea that the US only cares about Americans is the biggest load of bull I have ever seen in print, and I hope you honestly don't believe what you are typing.. If that were the case, the French would be speaking German right now. Americans have shed blood in defense of freedom around the world for generations, and will always continue to do so to the best of their ability. Of course you are titled to your opinion, which I respect, but hardly can one believe The Americans are anything but Selfless.

Says someone who clearly didn't read the bloody list... or a history book.

The U.S. did pretty much squat about the French being invaded until Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, which resulted in the U.S. declaring war only on Japan, which resulted in Germany declaring war on the U.S. in response because Japan was one of the Axis allies... which then required the U.S. to declare war on Germany in return and go do something about them before their forces started showing up at the U.S. doorstep.

That is why the U.S. got involved in WWII, not out of some desire to "shed blood in the defense of freedom"... at least not anyone's freedom but their own.

Americans wonder why people overseas tend not to like them very much? Certain types of people making arrogant statements like this one about the U.S. being some kind of selfless knight in shining armor during WWII when the people over there know damn well they were left out in the cold by the U.S. for years until they got forced into the conflict, and the general mentality that goes along with such statements, are a large contributing factor.

Reformentia basically covered it there.

To look at a more modern example...did the USA really care about removing the Taliban *before* the WTC attacks? It's how nations work. No nation is different at heart. There is no selfless nation that will fight for the good of the world. All have their own interests first and foremost.

Mentioning Pinochet is hardly justifying the French's support of Saddam Hussein's regime, you may want to rethink your logic on that one.

I *never* actually justified anything, it's just that you can't point fingers because they support a dictator when the US itself does it in abundance when it happens to be compatible with their national interest. Just like the French. The US did support Saddam against Iran, don't forget.

Question to Kanabia: offsubject

How do you get your scores to appear with your signature?? Like the Economic/socialist + or - score..... Just curious..

Its from the political compass test. Google "political compass" and you'll find it. Then edit your signature to include them.

This doesn’t change my opinion of them at all. I dislike the French because they dislike us, plain and simple.
This is not only a generalisation, but it is at best unproductive and at worst dangerous. Mutual hate gets you nowhere, so it should stop. Be the bigger man and take the initiative.

I rather enjoyed this debate, wishing it would continue today.....

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I'll never like people who irrationally hate the French.

Yo.

Anyone else have any suggestions on the source of hatred for the french?

Cause they're a bunch of whiny backstabbing bastards who think alliances are a one-way street?

This doesn’t change my opinion of them at all. I dislike the French because they dislike us, plain and simple.
Have you ever been to France? I didn't run into one French person who disliked me for being American... not one. Stop listening to people who don't know anything.