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Boffins give monkeys human brain cells and other science news

Patra Caesar
15-07-2005, 06:32
We have four stories of interest to show you this week, mostly scientific so please enjoy.

1. Monkey Magic: A possible explanation of George Dubya
2. A planet discovered orbiting three suns
3. Time Travel Conundrum caused by Einstein's theory resolved
4. 300 cats: That's a lot of stir-fry

Source (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,15891104-13762,00.html)

'Human-brained' monkeys
July 11, 2005

SCIENTISTS have been warned that their latest experiments may accidently produce monkeys with brains more human than animal.

In cutting-edge experiments, scientists have injected human brain cells into monkey fetuses to study the effects.

Critics argue that if these fetuses are allowed to develop into self-aware subjects, science will be thrown into an ethical nightmare.

An eminent committee of American scientists will call for restrictions into the research, saying the outcome of such studies cannot be predicted and may in fact produce subjects with a 'super-animal' intelligence.

The high-powered committee of animal behaviourists, lawyers, philosophers, bio-ethicists and neuro-scientists was established four years ago to examine the growing numbers of human/monkey experiments.

These procedures, known as 'human-primate chimeras', involve the combination of human and monkey cells, tissue and DNA to observe any effect and examine the possibility that such combination could actually exist.

Chimeras are mythical monsters from Greek literature, which combined various bodyparts from lions, goats nd snakes.

This team will soon publish its conclusions in leading journal Science. In the report the committee will address such unsettling questions as whether introducing human cells into non-human primate brains could cause "significant physical or biochemical changes that make the brain more human-like" and how those changes could be detected.

The committee will also examine how detectable differences in the monkey's brains, for example emotional or behavioural changes, or if the monkeys developed 'self awareness', could be measured - and dealt with.

"What we were trying to do was anticipate - recognising that if science were to take that path there might be some different kinds of moral challenges." said committee co-chairman Dr Ruth Faden, a professor in biomedical ethics.


New planet 'has three suns'
July 15, 2005

STAR Wars fans know all about Tatooine, Luke Skywalker's home planet, whose two suns glare down on a vast desert.
Now comes an even more extraordinary, real-life sight: a newly discovered giant planet with three suns wheeling overhead.

The Jupiter-sized world is 149 light-years (about 1200 trillion kilometres, just next door for astronomers) from Earth in a triple-star system in the northern constellation Cygnus, or the Swan.

Maciej Konacki, a planetary scientist at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, reported the sighting in this week's edition of the British scientific journal Nature.

"With three suns, the sky view must be out of this world, literally," said Konacki.


Scientists 'prove' time travel
From correspondents in London
July 12, 2005

THE conundrum posed by Einstein's Theory of Relativity that allows space-time to loop back on itself, theoretically allowing time-travel to the past, has been resolved, according to two physicists writing in New Scientist.

Quantum theory, which describes small particles as both waves and matter, yields probabilities on the location of these particles, the particles appearing - in layman's terms - where the waves interfere with each other constructively.

Daniel Greenberger, of New York, and Karl Svozil, of Vienna, solved the equations for waves going backwards in time and found they always interfered destructively.

This means the particles do not appear and the conundrum does not arise.

"If you go back quantum mechanically, you would only see alternatives consistent with the world you left behind," Greenberger said.


Elderly woman hoards 300 cats
July 13, 2005

ABOUT 300 cats, nearly a third of them dead, were removed from an elderly woman's Virginia home after neighbours complained of a stench coming from the house, US police said today.

The house, less than 1.5km from late president George Washington's historic Mount Vernon estate, looked neat from the outside with manicured lawns and bright flowers, but inside it was overflowing with wild cats, faeces and urine.

"Cats were coming out of the cabinets and drawers and were inside the walls. There were hundreds of them," Fairfax County Police officer Richard Henry said.

He said animal control officers removed 273 cats - 86 of them dead - over the weekend and slapped a condemnation order on the door of the house. The woman, her husband and daughter were told to leave.

Later, Mr Henry said, the woman returned and tried to smuggle an additional 30 cats from the house. These animals were confiscated, bringing the total to more than 300.

Ruth Knueven, 82, was charged with failing to care for her animals and of improperly disposing of them.

Dozens of dead cats were found in plastic bins around the house.

Most of the cats were inbred and sick and were unfit for adoption, said Mr Henry.

"These were feral cats who were given free range of the house and almost all of them will, unfortunately, have to be put down," he said.

Two weeks earlier, a 58-year-old woman in nearby Falls Church, Virginia, had her home condemned after neighbours complained of an overpowering stench coming from the property.

She had hoarded 88 cats and 29 of them were dead.
Leonstein
15-07-2005, 06:35
That time travel business is actually pretty significant...
The Black Forrest
15-07-2005, 06:41
ewww.

I read about the three suns story.

The time travel is interesting. Wish they had links.

The monkey question I give an eyebrow. I would be curious as to which species they are using.

The problem of making them self aware is not a problem. Chimps are self aware and we have no problems testing on them. Well at least the ones that remain in the labs.
Gauthier
15-07-2005, 06:57
Some sick freak is trying to create a real live Mojo Jojo.
Potaria
15-07-2005, 07:01
I'm loving the three suns, and I'm actually quite excited about the time travel discovery.

Significant stuff.
Falhaar
15-07-2005, 07:29
I don't quite understand that time travel one, does that mean it's been officially proven to be impossible, or possible?

The three stars one is cool, I imagine it'd be pretty rare for any form of "night" to exist in that system.

I'm curious about the monkeys. Interesting stuff. Raises some important ethical issues.
Chellis
15-07-2005, 07:53
Cool...

Would be much more interested in immortality research though, over time travel stuff.
Sosato
15-07-2005, 08:31
Anything from News Corporation is automatically thrown in the "Complete Bullshit" file and burnt.
That Reuters article was stupid and sensationalistic.



Read proper news articles once in a while, you might get a view of the world not clouded by right-wing shit.

EDIT: for the benefit of the non-Australians here; the Australian Daily Telegraph is the print equivalent of your Fox News. Except of course News Corporation, the publishers of The Daily Telegraph, assume that their audiences can read.
News.com.au is the online edition.
Patra Caesar
15-07-2005, 14:14
I don't quite understand that time travel one, does that mean it's been officially proven to be impossible, or possible?

It means that a theory formally used as evidence for the argument that time travel is impossible no longer conflicts with the idea of time travel.

Sosato - Yeah, the news is crap which is why I use it. For the last few months I have been posting the most 'way-out' stories I could find, and a majority of them come from Newscorp and its children. It's all for shits and giggles, no one takes my news threads more seriously than CNNN.