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Only in Jeb Bush's Florida. Simply horrid.

'TAMPA - Even though the boy would shake and wet himself, his father, Ronnie Paris Jr., would box with the 3-year-old, slapping him in the head until he cried because he didn't want his son to grow up to be ``a sissy,'' the boy's mother testified Monday.

Others corroborated Nysheerah Paris' testimony as the prosecution built its case during the first day of the capital murder trial of Ronnie Paris Jr., 21, accused of abusing 3-year- old Ronnie Paris until the boy slipped into a coma Jan. 22.

He died six days later with swelling on both sides of his brain.

``He was trying to teach him how to fight,'' said Shanita Powell, Nysheerah Paris' sister. ``He was concerned that the child might be gay.'''

http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBV5C523BE.html


Oh, and the child was taken off of life support. By Florida's child welfare protection agency (the very same that is going after Michael Schiavo). Do these people have no shame?

sad that there is still this kind of intolerence in this world :(

Wow. Reminds me of the threads about Nigeria killing a gay man, and a Pakistani man cutting his wife's feet off. I guess sadistic intolerant assholes cross all cultural boundaries. Humanity is in a sad state sometimes.

:headbang: At this point in time I should no longer be suprised by the acts of stupidity perpetrated by the human race. Yet for some reason I still can't help but be utterly flabergasted by this.

Disgusting. I hope that scum like him gets the punishment it deserves. He is no longer human in my eyes, and deserves nothing less than death.

Wow. Reminds me of the threads about Nigeria killing a gay man, and a Pakistani man cutting his wife's feet off. I guess sadistic intolerant assholes cross all cultural boundaries. Humanity is in a sad state sometimes.

Sometimes? More like always. There has never been a time where there hasn't been stupid people doing stupid things.

Only in Jeb Bush's Florida. Simply horrid.

'TAMPA - Even though the boy would shake and wet himself, his father, Ronnie Paris Jr., would box with the 3-year-old, slapping him in the head until he cried because he didn't want his son to grow up to be ``a sissy,'' the boy's mother testified Monday.

Others corroborated Nysheerah Paris' testimony as the prosecution built its case during the first day of the capital murder trial of Ronnie Paris Jr., 21, accused of abusing 3-year- old Ronnie Paris until the boy slipped into a coma Jan. 22.

He died six days later with swelling on both sides of his brain.

``He was trying to teach him how to fight,'' said Shanita Powell, Nysheerah Paris' sister. ``He was concerned that the child might be gay.'''

http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBV5C523BE.html


Oh, and the child was taken off of life support. By Florida's child welfare protection agency (the very same that is going after Michael Schiavo). Do these people have no shame?
I think if I read one more awful story about the things people do to little kids, I'm going to go frikkin' round the frikkin' BEND! Jesus!

Why oh why can't people absorb the message that the very best thing you can do for a child is to make sure they know beyond the shadow of a doubt that they are loved, and that there are limits beyond which they cannot go?

I think I'll go lie down. I don't feel very good now. :(

oh fuck.

Lock him away and throw away the key. death is too good for him.

I wish you'd consider inserting this story into Greenlander's perpetually ongoing thread. You know, the one about defending traditional families from the threat of homosexuality via eugenics programs?

oh fuck.
Lock him away and throw away the key. death is too good for him.

Too good, although I think if he is imprisoned he should suffer so terribly that he would wish for death.

Wow. Reminds me of the threads about Nigeria killing a gay man, and a Pakistani man cutting his wife's feet off. I guess sadistic intolerant assholes cross all cultural boundaries. Humanity is in a sad state sometimes.
They can at least make slightly beleivable bullshit exuses. This man has no excuse. He is a sick bastard who should've been neutered if he didn't want kids

Only in Jeb Bush's Florida. Simply horrid.

'TAMPA - Even though the boy would shake and wet himself, his father, Ronnie Paris Jr., would box with the 3-year-old, slapping him in the head until he cried because he didn't want his son to grow up to be ``a sissy,'' the boy's mother testified Monday.

Others corroborated Nysheerah Paris' testimony as the prosecution built its case during the first day of the capital murder trial of Ronnie Paris Jr., 21, accused of abusing 3-year- old Ronnie Paris until the boy slipped into a coma Jan. 22.

He died six days later with swelling on both sides of his brain.

``He was trying to teach him how to fight,'' said Shanita Powell, Nysheerah Paris' sister. ``He was concerned that the child might be gay.'''

http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBV5C523BE.html


Oh, and the child was taken off of life support. By Florida's child welfare protection agency (the very same that is going after Michael Schiavo). Do these people have no shame?
sadly, not only in florida...
By the way, it was never said that the father boxed with the child because the father thought the child might be 'gay', he didn't want his boy to be a "sissy".
looks to me that the father wanted his son to defend himself.
That does NOT, however, justify knocking a child around.
there is a big difference between a feeding tube and an artificial lung/heart machine.

"Only in Jeb Bush's Florida."



I dont come down here often, but this statement has to be responded to, the above statement is wrong, and beyond the pail.

only the animal who killed his child is to blame, not the sitting Gov of Florida.


Yes, I know, I know what you will say, Mr Bush of Florida, and his Brother are not for homosexual marriage, but that does not mean they support child murder, that is wrong headed,and sinks to the level of the most low.



now I'm getting out of here. I said my 2 cents.

I wish you'd consider inserting this story into Greenlander's perpetually ongoing thread. You know, the one about defending traditional families from the threat of homosexuality via eugenics programs?

Interesting point. Eugenics is once again shown to be nothing more than an engine of cruelty and hatred, and Greenlander's argument about defending family allows such things to happen. As long as society is ignorant and hateful of others based upon their sexuality, the killing will continue.

Only in Jeb Bush's Florida.

As if that has anything to do with it, whatsoever.

Anyway... torture to death, anyone?

Terrible, to be sure, although I find it rather distateful that the starter of this thread used this tragic case as another means of Bush-bashing.

I've just seen the kid was 3!! And the father was worried about him being gay? There are some mental issues there

"Only in Jeb Bush's Florida."



I dont come down here often, but this statement has to be responded to, the above statement is wrong, and beyond the pail.

only the animal who killed his child is to blame, not the sitting Gov of Florida.


Yes, I know, I know what you will say, Mr Bush of Florida, and his Brother are not for homosexual marriage, but that does not mean they support child murder, that is wrong headed,and sinks to the level of the most low.



now I'm getting out of here. I said my 2 cents."Please sir, may I have another!?"

Sickening, sad, appalling. :(

... this is so sick... that's all I need to say...

Except the "father" that did this should be shot. Several times...

"Only in Jeb Bush's Florida."

Nah, works for me.

Terrible, to be sure, although I find it rather distateful that the starter of this thread used this tragic case as another means of Bush-bashing.

Ah, but the Bush family tree has branches everywhere...

As if that has anything to do with it, whatsoever.

Anyway... torture to death, anyone?
I second the motion!

Only in Jeb Bush's Florida. Simply horrid.
{snip} hope you're not blaming the Govenor of this abuse...

Terrible, to be sure, although I find it rather distateful that the starter of this thread used this tragic case as another means of Bush-bashing.

I've seen more untasteful digs recently.

People, death is not the option. He murdered his child because he didn't want his child to be gay, so, let's punish him with his apparent biggest fear. Can anyone say "Married to a rough trick named Jim?" That would be a living hell for that sick, sick, rat bastard.

Terrible, to be sure, although I find it rather distateful that the starter of this thread used this tragic case as another means of Bush-bashing.
Its NS, what do you expect - FROM EITHER SIDE

edit: The "gay thing" was a cover, read the article, it was obvious he didn't want that child or any children. The prosecution is going to hand him his ass and he will be on deathrow for hte 20 years it takes to run throguh his appeals, not that he has any good ones

People, death is not the option. He murdered his child because he didn't want his child to be gay, so, let's punish him with his apparent biggest fear. Can anyone say "Married to a rough trick named Jim?" That would be a living hell for that sick, sick, rat bastard.correction... he didn't want his child to be a "Sissy" big difference. his punishment should be put into a maximum security prision where he can find out just how much of a sissy HE was for beating his own son to death. the other inmates would just love to go a few rounds with him.

*pulls out my guitar, and sings softly*

My name is Luka,
I live on the second floor
I live upstairs from you
Yes, I think you've seen me before.

If you hear something late at night
Some kind of trouble, some kind of fight.
Just don't ask me what it was
Just don't ask me what it was
Just don't ask me what it was

I think that it's because I'm crazy
I try not to talk to loud
Maybe it's because I'm clumsy
I try not to act too proud

They only hit until you cry
After that, you don't ask why
You just don't argue anymore
You just don't argue anymore
You just don't argue anymore.

Yes, I think I'm ok,
I walked into the door again
Well, if you ask that's what I'll say
It's not your business, anyway

I guess I'd like to be alone
With nothing broken, nothing thrown
Just don't ask me how I feel
Just don't ask me how I feel
Just don't ask me how I feel

My name is Luka
I live on the second floor
I live upstairs from you
Yes, I think you've seen me before

If you hear something late at night
Some kind of trouble, some kind of fight
Just don't ask me what it was
Just don't ask me what it was
Just don't ask me what it was.

Rest in peace, little one.

As if that has anything to do with it, whatsoever.

Anyway... torture to death, anyone?
Florida has a horrid child welfare system, and something like this happens about every week it seems like.

i also find it sad that this case was used 2 bash bush...i personally hate the guy myself but i dun tink tht any1 cud possibly blame his influence and his brother as the people responsible for wat happened 2 this poor child..only a sick animal wud hav done this 2 the litto boy..and i hope tht guy gets ass raped in prison

correction... he didn't want his child to be a "Sissy" big difference. his punishment should be put into a maximum security prision where he can find out just how much of a sissy HE was for beating his own son to death. the other inmates would just love to go a few rounds with him.

Oops. I still stand by my 'Jim' statement, though, as well as getting the shit beaten out of him.

his punishment should be put into a maximum security prision where he can find out just how much of a sissy HE was for beating his own son to death. the other inmates would just love to go a few rounds with him.

agreed. every inmate with a child will make him pay every single day and he will deserve every bit of what they give him.

hope you're not blaming the Govenor of this abuse...
You're right, I can't blame the Govenor for not fixing his child welfare system, WHICH HANDED THE CHILD BACK TO THE FATHER AFTER TAKING HIM AWAY AFTER EARLIER SIGNS OF ABUSE.


I'm sorry, but it isn't like Florida's problem with child welfare isn't known, but instead of fixing it Jeb Bush goes off on quixotical crusades against the evils of taking people off of life support (only when it is politically favorable to do so, of course, like in Terry Schiavo's case, not in a case like this).

Wow, I am so brilliant it's ridiculous. I mean, truly, is anyone as much of a fucking genius as I?

Why, you ask? Why do I suddenly think so highly of myself? Because I just came up with the finest piece of reality television ever.

It's called, "Heartless," and it works as follows:

A crack team of the most creatively bloodthirsty applicants are gathered at an agreed-upon location.
The team is given a the profile and the story of a murderer currently on death row in Texas.
The team comes up with an appropriate punishment for the man, ending in his death, which is extremely painful and entertaining to watch.
The death is applied, but not shown on TV because, if done properly, it should be far too gruesome.
The show's computer graphics specialists completely animate the event on computer for the audience to enjoy.

I know, I know: it's beautiful. This guy can be the first lucky winner.

By the way, does anyone else get the feeling that CSW doesn't give a shit about the dead kid, and is simply using this event as an excuse to blame a Bush for something bad?

Oops. I still stand by my 'Jim' statement, though, as well as getting the shit beaten out of him.
OH no argument there.

I've heard some guys say, if you really wanna punish someone, convict him of a Child related crime and then throw him in jail. for most of those convicts have children on the outside and the fact that it "Could've been their child" is a great motive for some "rehabilitation ;) "


Don't know how true that is tho.

I notice that the defence is trying to shift the blame entirely to the mother for not reporting it. I wonder if anyone is actually willing to support his case. I noticed not too long ago that some people placed the blame on the mother as well in a seperate case where the kids were murdered by their mother's ex-husband who had a restraining order on him.

Come then, I know you are out there.

Wow, I am so brilliant it's ridiculous. I mean, truly, is anyone as much of a fucking genius as I?

Why, you ask? Why do I suddenly think so highly of myself? Because I just came up with the finest piece of reality television ever.

It's called, "Heartless," and it works as follows:

A crack team of the most creatively bloodthirsty applicants are gathered at an agreed-upon location.
The team is given a the profile and the story of a murderer currently on death row in Texas.
The team comes up with an appropriate punishment for the man, ending in his death, which is extremely painful and entertaining to watch.
The death is applied, but not shown on TV because, if done properly, it should be far too gruesome.
The show's computer graphics specialists completely animate the event on computer for the audience to enjoy.

I know, I know: it's beautiful. This guy can be the first lucky winner.

By the way, does anyone else get the feeling that CSW doesn't give a shit about the dead kid, and is simply using this event as an excuse to blame a Bush for something bad?

Do kindly feel free to run off over yonder and jump off a cliff, will you, I'm a bit tired of this bullshit coming out of florida.

I notice that the defence is trying to shift the blame entirely to the mother for not reporting it. I wonder if anyone is actually willing to support his case. I noticed not too long ago that some people placed the blame on the mother as well in a seperate case where the kids were murdered by their mother's ex-husband who had a restraining order on him.

Come then, I know you are out there.
I doubt even a legendary NS Troll would not try that one

I hope that sick prick is raped 20 times a day for the rest of his life. Preferrably with a barbwired steel pipe. :mad:

You have to remember that Florida is the same state that couldn't even read a ballot properly and made a vegetable into the media spotlight.

Sure, now why does everyone want him to suffer a horrible death for killing his son horridly, which makes them seem like hypocrites. Anyway it seems like murder of the second degree, maybe 25-life, and maybe death.

Do kindly feel free to run off over yonder and jump off a cliff, will you, I'm a bit tired of this bullshit coming out of florida.

*handcuffs you to his wrist* Okay, let's go. *skips to his apparent doom, dragging CSW along; unlocks handcuffs after jumping and pulls the cord on a previously-hidden parachute*:p

Do kindly feel free to run off over yonder and jump off a cliff, will you, I'm a bit tired of this bullshit coming out of florida.

I used to live in Florida, and I guarantee that if the child welfare system there didn’t waste so much time and money ensuring that black kids don’t get placed with white foster parents, and putting kids in foster care for six months when there are close relatives willing to take in a kid, they would be much more efficient and could focus on thing that actually matter.

OK -- sure, homosexuality is seen as a sin in some religious traditions, but don't we all sin in various ways? The person who sits in front of the TV all day long neglecting other responsibilities is at least guilty of the sin of neglect. The person who talks about other people behind their backs at least commits the very damaging sin of calumny if not outright slander. I won't even get into self-indulgence of various kinds and all sorts of weaknesses that the devil made us do.

The sin of murder -- especially that of an innocent child that has no inkling of what is right and what is wrong -- is a lot more harmful than the sin of mutual indulgence in the gay lifestyle, though God can even forgive murder if someone is truly sorry for doing it.

Poor little boy.

Sure, now why does everyone want him to suffer a horrible death for killing his son horridly, which makes them seem like hypocrites. Anyway it seems like murder of the second degree, maybe 25-life, and maybe death.

Gee, I don't know, it just doesn't make any sense to me.

I hope that sick prick is raped 20 times a day for the rest of his life. Preferrably with a barbwired steel pipe. :mad:Then given an Iodine Enima!

The discussion in this topic is stupid. You cant label an entire class of people by the actions of a few people or in this case one person. Al lah you can call every muslim a terrorist....now stop being hypocrats.

I doubt even a legendary NS Troll would not try that one

The mother should get a worse punishment. It seems that she very well knew what the husband did to the child, but did nothing to prevent it. Same with the babysitter. I think the crime for that is called child endangerment, or something like that.

Anyway a Sissy<>Gay. The Bushes have nothing to do it.

Anyway Florida makes a big deal about everything, during the time of the last Olympics (I think Summer(?)) another child was killed while beaten badly. No one made a big deal about it, there was only maybe an hour (or two) special on it. Florida also made a big deal about Schiavo, the Cuban boy, and something else, that I forget.

Gee, I don't know, it just doesn't make any sense to me.

Well lets see.
Cruel+Unusual punishments+America=Forbidden/Error 404 file not found
Code of Hammurabi=Eye for an eye (for same classes, but lets not go any farther)=Cruel=Forbidden/Error 404 file not found

This is even funnier when someone says he should be raped by a cellmate since most people I met on this form seem to think rape is worse then death. I think that makes a lot of posters hypocrites.

I notice that the defence is trying to shift the blame entirely to the mother for not reporting it. I wonder if anyone is actually willing to support his case. I noticed not too long ago that some people placed the blame on the mother as well in a seperate case where the kids were murdered by their mother's ex-husband who had a restraining order on him.

Come then, I know you are out there.

They shouldn't shift the blame entirely to her, but in this case - she definitely deserves to be charged with neglect. She admitted that she knew it was abuse and still didn't call or try to leave. Thus, she is culpable in the death of her child.

Actually if you view this from a western stand point it is horrible, the fact that someone thought you could distinguish between straight and gay at the age of 3 or whatever is baffling, but if you study across the world, there are lots of like 90% of cultures who do a lot more sad and sadistric stuff that this. RElgion plays a big part in th is, or supertion/witchcraft/mana work. they view the world differently than us, we may not agree with it, but do we really have the right to say other cultures are wrong? :fluffle: :mp5:

correction... he didn't want his child to be a "Sissy" big difference. his punishment should be put into a maximum security prision where he can find out just how much of a sissy HE was for beating his own son to death. the other inmates would just love to go a few rounds with him.

From the article:

``He was trying to teach him how to fight,'' said Shanita Powell, Nysheerah Paris' sister. ``He was concerned that the child might be gay.''


Some people equate "sissy" and "gay". Looks like this guy was one of them.

They shouldn't shift the blame entirely to her, but in this case - she definitely deserves to be charged with neglect. She admitted that she knew it was abuse and still didn't call or try to leave. Thus, she is culpable in the death of her child.

If he's capable for beating his 3 year old son, whats he capable of doing to his wife?

If he's capable for beating his 3 year old son, whats he capable of doing to his wife?

I am capable of beating a 3 year old, same with a lot of people. His wife would probably offer some resistance, and he was trying to teach his son how to not be a "sissy"

Actually if you view this from a western stand point it is horrible, the fact that someone thought you could distinguish between straight and gay at the age of 3 or whatever is baffling, but if you study across the world, there are lots of like 90% of cultures who do a lot more sad and sadistric stuff that this. RElgion plays a big part in th is, or supertion/witchcraft/mana work. they view the world differently than us, we may not agree with it, but do we really have the right to say other cultures are wrong? :fluffle: :mp5:

I see your point but in this case we are judging our own. So they will be judged on western morals. No matter what other nations do.
Sadly this works both ways with this nigerian gay man being sentenced to death

Well lets see.
Cruel+Unusual punishments+America=Forbidden/Error 404 file not found
Code of Hammurabi=Eye for an eye (for same classes, but lets not go any farther)=Cruel=Forbidden/Error 404 file not found

This is even funnier when someone says he should be raped by a cellmate since most people I met on this form seem to think rape is worse then death. I think that makes a lot of posters hypocrites.For me, I'm in no posistion to ever hold that kind of power over another person. (all the trials I get called for jury duty get resolved out of court)
so its more anger at such a thing being done. A fantasy so to speak. for the true punnishment, I leave that to the courts.

Besides, when something like this happens to a child, expect people to react in anger and let their emotions speak for a while.

I am capable of beating a 3 year old, same with a lot of people. His wife would probably offer some resistance, and he was trying to teach his son how to not be a "sissy"

You are mentally capable of beating a 3 year old to death?

For me, I'm in no posistion to ever hold that kind of power over another person. (all the trials I get called for jury duty get resolved out of court)
so its more anger at such a thing being done. A fantasy so to speak. for the true punnishment, I leave that to the courts.

Besides, when something like this happens to a child, expect people to react in anger and let their emotions speak for a while.

What makes a child so special that people think that criminals should be treated different when doing something to a child rather than an adult. I can understand understand why up to 6 year olds are treated with a less harsh sentence, but higher then that should be the same.

This man is the lowest form of life currently on this planet. The highest purpose of a man is to protect his family.

His wife isn't much better. She should have put the fact that the child needed to get out of that environment before her desire to be with the child. Nobody said the right thing was the easy thing. But I do accept she was probably shit-scared.

I hope this case gets a lot of coverage in prison. Criminals might be criminals, but even they don't take this kind of shit. I think it says something about the nature of this kind of action.

If he's capable for beating his 3 year old son, whats he capable of doing to his wife?

She didn't say she was scared of him. She was scared that, if she reported him, they might actually take her kid (to somewhere safer, no less).

Meanwhile, I don't care how afraid of someone you are - you do what you can to protect children, even if it means getting hit yourself. Battered women grab their children and leave every day. It is scary, yes, but they don't say "I knew he was abusing my kid, but didn't do anything because I didn't want the state to take my kids away from me."

That is pure and complete selfishness - and shows she cared more about her own feelings than what was happening to her child.

Bloody hell...that is unbelievable. "Trying to teach him how to fight"? Some people aren't meant to be parents.

From the article:




Some people equate "sissy" and "gay". Looks like this guy was one of them.
Girl... the sister said gay... and yes, people tend to confuse the two. but you can be a Sissy and not be Gay as well as Gay but not a Sissy.

all other actions point to the father being concerned that his son (1st born son I believe) was a wimp. The article states... Witnesses also testified he lost his temper when the child was ill. The boy was sick often while in his parents' care.

still slap boxing a 3yr old is too much. all the "boxing" matches I've seen between father and under 5yr old son is usually the son hitting the father while the father either eats the punch or absorbs it with a pillow or something.

She didn't say she was scared of him. She was scared that, if she reported him, they might actually take her kid (to somewhere safer, no less).

Meanwhile, I don't care how afraid of someone you are - you do what you can to protect children, even if it means getting hit yourself. Battered women grab their children and leave every day. It is scary, yes, but they don't say "I knew he was abusing my kid, but didn't do anything because I didn't want the state to take my kids away from me."

That is pure and complete selfishness - and shows she cared more about her own feelings than what was happening to her child.

I'm see saying shes weak and selfish yes,theres no argument there. I just think that if this man is twisted enough to do this to his own kid I could see him murder on a whim

What makes a child so special that people think that criminals should be treated different when doing something to a child rather than an adult. I can understand understand why up to 6 year olds are treated with a less harsh sentence, but higher then that should be the same.

Children are unable to protect themselves. Thus, it is more reprehensible to harm them than someone who might be able to stand up to it.

Bloody hell...that is unbelievable. "Trying to teach him how to fight"? Some people aren't meant to be parents.

trying to teach a 3 year old how to fight. I was stunned

This man is the lowest form of life currently on this planet. The highest purpose of a man is to protect his family.

Technically he is not, then again let the opinion be in the mind of the beholder. I thought for sure people would say the same about Osama, Hussein, or any other mass killer (alive)/murderer/rapist. After all, this isn't the first or last time this has happened, nor the last.

Anyway the last sentence seems a little sexist.

She didn't say she was scared of him. She was scared that, if she reported him, they might actually take her kid (to somewhere safer, no less).

Meanwhile, I don't care how afraid of someone you are - you do what you can to protect children, even if it means getting hit yourself. Battered women grab their children and leave every day. It is scary, yes, but they don't say "I knew he was abusing my kid, but didn't do anything because I didn't want the state to take my kids away from me."

That is pure and complete selfishness - and shows she cared more about her own feelings than what was happening to her child.dempublicents1... quick question. are you a parent?

I'm not, but I know how hard it is for most parents to let their children go. especially when it's not their fault. that doesn't make her neglecting to alert the authorities right, or to even exscue it, but it is hard to risk losing your child forever. but the fact is, everyone knew... their friends, neighbors even relatives... and no one really did anything to stop it.

still slap boxing a 3yr old is too much. all the "boxing" matches I've seen between father and under 5yr old son is usually the son hitting the father while the father either eats the punch or absorbs it with a pillow or something.

I know what you mean. The most I know any decent father to do is just give his kid a light shove so he falls on his ass.

Technically he is not, then again let the opinion be in the mind of the beholder. I thought for sure people would say the same about Osama, Hussein, or any other mass killer (alive)/murderer/rapist. After all, this isn't the first or last time this has happened, nor the last.

Anyway the last sentence seems a little sexist.

The lowest form of life, not the lowest individual example of life. I consider all rapists, murderers, and people who hurt children to be on the same level - several steps below the Ebola virus.

If believing in differences in genders is sexist, that last sentence is indeed sexist, but the plain presence of biological differences between the genders kinda suggests there are differences. A society can survive having lost 90, even 95% of it's males. Lose that many women or children and you're through.

dempublicents1... quick question. are you a parent?

Not yet.

I'm not, but I know how hard it is for most parents to let their children go. especially when it's not their fault. that doesn't make her neglecting to alert the authorities right, or to even exscue it, but it is hard to risk losing your child forever. but the fact is, everyone knew... their friends, neighbors even relatives... and no one really did anything to stop it.

First of all, if she is intelligent enough to be a parent, she should know that acting as a proper guardian - and getting her child out of harm's way, would not cause them to take the child from her (so long as she left the man.) Thus, I think it is probably just an excuse for the same-old reason many parents don't report this type of thing - she didn't want to lose the man.

Second, everyone who knew is culpable in this child's death - every single one of them that saw it happen and didn't report it. However, the mother was the closest, she knew how often it was occurring, and she was, by virtue of being his parent, personally responsible for her child's wellbeing.

Interesting point. Eugenics is once again shown to be nothing more than an engine of cruelty and hatred, and Greenlander's argument about defending family allows such things to happen. As long as society is ignorant and hateful of others based upon their sexuality, the killing will continue.
I don't know why everyone is so concerned about eugenics programs. We have a HUGE eugenics program that is legal (and widely accepted) in our country right now...it's called abortion.

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Denied.

i agree with torturing the bastard, but does that make us any better? ;)

Not yet.



First of all, if she is intelligent enough to be a parent, she should know that acting as a proper guardian - and getting her child out of harm's way, would not cause them to take the child from her (so long as she left the man.) Thus, I think it is probably just an excuse for the same-old reason many parents don't report this type of thing - she didn't want to lose the man.

Second, everyone who knew is culpable in this child's death - every single one of them that saw it happen and didn't report it. However, the mother was the closest, she knew how often it was occurring, and she was, by virtue of being his parent, personally responsible for her child's wellbeing.
I agree the mother should've done more... they all should. but the problem is what... loose your son and have your spouse always blaming you for loosing your son... run/divorce, that MIGHT lead to stalking and kidnapping... it's a tough decision and her choice cost them her son and his freedom (I hope)


thanks... and I shall stop now. the habit of playing "Devil's advocate" is getting too strong. :headbang:

You know, what he did isnt very uncommon in many cultures. Some of the best professional boxers had such an upbringing (Felix Trinidad and David Tua come to mind). His father started him way too young and didnt know where to draw the line. Obviously if the kid is peeing his pants, you have gone way too far. He shouldve known this and needs to pay dearly for what he did. We know he loved his son and wanted the best for him, so the fact that he has to live with the knowledge that he killed his own son for the rest of his life is already a greater punishment than anything society could give him. Nevertheless, there still needs to be justice. But this isnt a 1st degree murder case. This wasnt an intentional homicide. He should recieve a moderate prison sentence, somewhere between 5 and 25 years.

Not yet.

First of all, if she is intelligent enough to be a parent, she should know that acting as a proper guardian - and getting her child out of harm's way, would not cause them to take the child from her (so long as she left the man.) Thus, I think it is probably just an excuse for the same-old reason many parents don't report this type of thing - she didn't want to lose the man.

Second, everyone who knew is culpable in this child's death - every single one of them that saw it happen and didn't report it. However, the mother was the closest, she knew how often it was occurring, and she was, by virtue of being his parent, personally responsible for her child's wellbeing.

The mother is probably as responsible, and someone please mention the babysitter, I am pretty sure I am not the only one who saw the mentioning of the babysitter.

To me, everyone who knew of the crime happening and did not report it, is equally responsible and should be tried.

Human life could also survive if 90-95% of the females died.

Human life could also survive if 90-95% of the females died.

Probably, and it would take forty times longer to even begin to recover, and all the time our numbers were limited it would mean we were far more susceptable to diseases and the like.

Im not gay or a lesbian and I find it extremely harsh that a father can beat his OWN child to death because he fears the child is or might be gay. People should just be more tolerant of eachother. Respect everyones rights to believe in what they believe or be gay if they want to be gay. It isn't such a hard thing to stay out of someones business. No, I dont think that we were put on this earth to be gay... thats not how our bodies were made, but gay people have the right to do what they want, and shouldn't get hurt or killed for their OWN choice. The whole worlds problems would be gone if we all just talked rather than faught and killed. The Father probably is remorseful about killing his Son over such a petty thing, but ultimately he's got to be punished for his crime. It should not be tolerated and killing your son and saying that living with the fact that he killed his son is punishment enough... isn't good enough. Punishment is the only way.

Well lets see.
Cruel+Unusual punishments+America=Forbidden/Error 404 file not found
Code of Hammurabi=Eye for an eye (for same classes, but lets not go any farther)=Cruel=Forbidden/Error 404 file not found

This is even funnier when someone says he should be raped by a cellmate since most people I met on this form seem to think rape is worse then death. I think that makes a lot of posters hypocrites.

Only torture and death aren't cruel or unusual, the former because of the case, the latter because it happens almost everywhere in the world to people that aren't even sick criminals, like this guy is.

Cruel and unusual punishment is the biggest crock of shit argument in the world, and I've never met a single person in my life who used it that I didn't consider a stupid fuck. Cruel and unusual is what the criminals do, not what we do to punish them. It's quite obviously not unusual, and, even if it were unusual in the United States specifically, something is no longer unusual if people start doing it regularly. And it's not cruel to punish someone that beats a kid to death over an extended period of time via some means of torture resulting in death: it's just.

Im not gay or a lesbian and I find it extremely harsh that a father can beat his OWN child to death because he fears the child is or might be gay. People should just be more tolerant of eachother. Respect everyones rights to believe in what they believe or be gay if they want to be gay. It isn't such a hard thing to stay out of someones business. No, I dont think that we were put on this earth to be gay... thats not how our bodies were made, but gay people have the right to do what they want, and shouldn't get hurt or killed for their OWN choice. The whole worlds problems would be gone if we all just talked rather than faught and killed. The Father probably is remorseful about killing his Son over such a petty thing, but ultimately he's got to be punished for his crime. It should not be tolerated and killing your son and saying that living with the fact that he killed his son is punishment enough... isn't good enough. Punishment is the only way.did you read the article?

first it's sissy, wimp, weaking... not Gay don't think that was determined in a 3 yr old.
second most of the beatings were an attempt to *ahem* toughen him up.*

the title is rather misleading.

jesus christ, am i the ONLY one who read the article? the prosecutors are going to crucify him based on the statements that insinuate he was jealous of the child due to him not getting enough sex or attention, he wasn't trying to toughen him up, he was being more or less purposefully that rough.

Ihatevacations']jesus christ, am i the ONLY one who read the article? the prosecutors are going to crucify him based on the statements that insinuate he was jealous of the child due to him not getting enough sex or attention, he wasn't trying to toughen him up, he was being more or less purposefully that rough.
nope I caught that too... after all, slamming the kid into the wall for vomiting?

but for the punnishment, I'm leaving that up to the courts... until then, the image of that sick f$#k getting his payback in prison makes me feel all warm and fuzzy after reading that article.

And as long as they equate sissy with Gay, I'll say he was toughing the kid up...

You know, what he did isnt very uncommon in many cultures. Some of the best professional boxers had such an upbringing (Felix Trinidad and David Tua come to mind). His father started him way too young and didnt know where to draw the line. Obviously if the kid is peeing his pants, you have gone way too far. He shouldve known this and needs to pay dearly for what he did. We know he loved his son and wanted the best for him, so the fact that he has to live with the knowledge that he killed his own son for the rest of his life is already a greater punishment than anything society could give him. Nevertheless, there still needs to be justice. But this isnt a 1st degree murder case. This wasnt an intentional homicide. He should recieve a moderate prison sentence, somewhere between 5 and 25 years.

Oh boy. What, he tossed a 3-year old against the wall "by accident" now? It IS murder one. I don't favor capital punishment, but I do favor a life sentence. Preferably one in which the guards are kind enough to let his fellow inmates know what he did.

You know, what he did isnt very uncommon in many cultures. Some of the best professional boxers had such an upbringing (Felix Trinidad and David Tua come to mind). His father started him way too young and didnt know where to draw the line. Obviously if the kid is peeing his pants, you have gone way too far. He shouldve known this and needs to pay dearly for what he did. We know he loved his son and wanted the best for him, so the fact that he has to live with the knowledge that he killed his own son for the rest of his life is already a greater punishment than anything society could give him. Nevertheless, there still needs to be justice. But this isnt a 1st degree murder case. This wasnt an intentional homicide. He should recieve a moderate prison sentence, somewhere between 5 and 25 years.

You know, even if it was an accident, I'm a big fan of the death penalty for complete and utter fucking stupidity resulting in death, as well. People that stupid are too much of a risk to have around for their lives to be worth it. Is his son ever going to have another chance? Fuck no. So why should he?

did you read the article?

first it's sissy, wimp, weaking... not Gay don't think that was determined in a 3 yr old.
second most of the beatings were an attempt to *ahem* toughen him up.*

the title is rather misleading.
Not really


``He was trying to teach him how to fight,'' said Shanita Powell, Nysheerah Paris' sister. ``He was concerned that the child might be gay.'''

Interesting point. Eugenics is once again shown to be nothing more than an engine of cruelty and hatred, and Greenlander's argument about defending family allows such things to happen. As long as society is ignorant and hateful of others based upon their sexuality, the killing will continue.

You, Sir, are an ignorant and sad excuse for a human being, or even a dog in a kennel...

Anyone who tries to politicize and use the death of a three year old who died at the hands of his own sick and pathetic father, to their political gain is vile in the basest of ways. To try and twist this horrendous failure, a failure of the community and people and community agencies involved, in fact, failure by all of society for this boy, but to try and turn it into a political justification for a political debate should be beyond shame, but after the initial disgust of such a claim as yours, I'll assume that all good people will just ignore this claim for the blathering fool argument that it is…

Who cares what delusions where going through this man's, this parasite’s, head, when he did these things to his own son?

This guy was beating his kid since before the boy was even five months old, there is no real reason that this can be assigned to homophobia or anything outside of a father’s mental illness and family’s disgusting tolerance and the governments ultimate failure ~ (this guys family is sick enough to think that their sissy excuse alleves them of responsibility, nothing more).

But the truth is, prejudice and hate crimes exist in enough profusion that we don’t need to go around making more of them up, nor try to pretend that cases like this are one of them.

Better to ask, Why was this 21 year old man allowed to continue beating the life out of his own son for 3 years? We don’t know.

But what I know, is that the best way to deal with this now, now that it’s too late to actually interfere and help, the only thing to do is lock up the mother for not having come forward before now (a couple of years for the sake of principle) and to take this man to China where they know how to deal with this type of person ~ Which is to: Take him out back of the courthouse, shoot him in the head and then send to the executed prisoners parents a bill for the price of one bullet.



Through two days of testimony in the capital murder and aggravated child abuse trial of Ronnie Paris Jr., prosecutors have tried to establish that the boy's only refuge was with Bing.

The Florida Department of Children & Families placed Ronnie Paris with Bing in May 2002, after X-rays revealed the 5-month-old had suffered a broken wrist and leg while living with his parents.

Before that?

Hospital visits due to dehydration and vomiting.

And after Dec. 14, when he was returned to his parents?

Pathologist Sam Gulino detailed the boy's injuries during an autopsy: scars on the right cheek, right eye, left cheek. At least three deep bruises on his head. Brain swelling.

http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBUR4VB4BE.html


You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to use anything like this situation to your political and popularity gain… :eek: :rolleyes:

The mother should get a worse punishment. It seems that she very well knew what the husband did to the child, but did nothing to prevent it. Same with the babysitter. I think the crime for that is called child endangerment, or something like that.

And so the one who does nothing gets a worst punishment than the one who actually does the crime. Bravo, I new that there were some people who would hold this opinion. Thank you for proving it.

The murderer recieves 10 years. The one who saw and did nothing recieves 20. That is more or less what you are asking for. What wonderful mentality.

Only torture and death aren't cruel or unusual, the former because of the case, the latter because it happens almost everywhere in the world to people that aren't even sick criminals, like this guy is.

Cruel and unusual punishment is the biggest crock of shit argument in the world, and I've never met a single person in my life who used it that I didn't consider a stupid fuck. Cruel and unusual is what the criminals do, not what we do to punish them. It's quite obviously not unusual, and, even if it were unusual in the United States specifically, something is no longer unusual if people start doing it regularly. And it's not cruel to punish someone that beats a kid to death over an extended period of time via some means of torture resulting in death: it's just.

Yep.

The US Constitution (Amendment VIII) is the "biggest crock of shit ... in the word." The Founding Fathers and at least 150 years of US Supreme Court Justices are all "stupid fuck[s]."

:headbang: :headbang:

If he isn't convicted I'll give him the punishment he deserves :sniper: I can't believe sick assholes like this still exist.

There are some mental issues there
You think?

Uh, I didn't know I was gay until I was 15... if anything, the kid probably would of turned out to be heterosexual.. how can you tell when he is 3 years old? This is sickening.

How the heck could of he known? The kid isn't getting another chance.. so I hope he gets a needle in the arm.

Yeah, gays have it bad in Florida. I mean look at Miami/South Beach, they force gay men wear thongs and rollerskates, and to play dress up and perform for the public like circus animals! Simply atrocious! They even exiled a bunch of gays to the Keys! And now their killing gay children! When will the oppression stop?

Yeah, everything is about gay oppression.
This guy was obviously screwed up in the head. There are no gay 3 year olds. Children are not sexual beings despite efforts to use them to justify others insecurities.

...3 year olds. Children are not sexual beings...
That's not what Michael Jackson said...

...or did those jokes go out with his innocence ruling?

"Only in Jeb Bush's Florida."



I dont come down here often, but this statement has to be responded to, the above statement is wrong, and beyond the pail.

only the animal who killed his child is to blame, not the sitting Gov of Florida.


Yes, I know, I know what you will say, Mr Bush of Florida, and his Brother are not for homosexual marriage, but that does not mean they support child murder, that is wrong headed,and sinks to the level of the most low.



now I'm getting out of here. I said my 2 cents.

Thank you for saving me the trouble of writing this. In every country there are sick bastards who beat their kids to death - it isn't about politics, it's beyond rationality.

That's not what Michael Jackson said...

...or did those jokes go out with his innocence ruling?
Yeah I think they did.
What has a McDonalds Cheeseburger got to do with Michael Jackson?
The both involve a 40 year old piece of meat between two 8 year old buns


As horrible as this story is, I'm not really surprised. I'm sure worse things have been done for even worse reasons in white trash America.
Just look at most parent's reasoning for circumcising their children. It's almost as sadistic and pointless as beating your child to stop them from growing up to be sissies or weaklings.

And yes, he did it because he wanted to toughen up his son, he thought it would prevent him from becoming a weakling, not becoming gay. His sister said "gay", but his wife said "sissy". The sister was probably just similar white trash that thinks they are both one and the same.

Yes, I wish I had all my forskin!

http://www.cirp.org/library/history/

Oh, and the child was taken off of life support. By Florida's child welfare protection agency (the very same that is going after Michael Schiavo). Do these people have no shame?

Why let the child suffer? The doctors took him off for a reason; they don't have the hippocratic oath for nothing.

u r right y let a child go who has gone through all that emotional and physical trauma be forced to endure it. we knew he was going to die anyway y prolong it. yes i know we have all theses ppl out to abuse this guy but how come when an adult is murdered we dont shed tears because of a human life. i know that this story is sick. but maybe the father went through this sort of thing when he was a kid and had a lot of issues. im not vouching for him but im presenting another side of the story. :eek:

u r right y let a child go who has gone through all that emotional and physical trauma be forced to endure it. we knew he was going to die anyway y prolong it. yes i know we have all theses ppl out to abuse this guy but how come when an adult is murdered we dont shed tears because of a human life. i know that this story is sick. but maybe the father went through this sort of thing when he was a kid and had a lot of issues. im not vouching for him but im presenting another side of the story. :eek:
How about presenting some capital letters, *?

* punctuation, spelling and grammar

prolonged torture to near death daily should be this mans punishment ...

prolonged torture to near death daily should be this mans punishment ...
That would make the legal system just as bad as him.
I'm really sick of these responses. It's obvious you haven't read through the other replies, as a lot of people have said something along these lines and it has been properly debated.
Legal systems that punish psycho and unreasonable people in equally psycho and unreasonable ways were used in medieval and pre-medieval times. It is primitive, ineffective and unjust. Modern legal systems in developed countries should be focused on developing punishments and delivering justice in ways that are above this kind of primitive thinking.

That would make the legal system just as bad as him.
I'm really sick of these responses. It's obvious you haven't read through the other replies, as a lot of people have said something along these lines and it has been properly debated.
Legal systems that punish psycho and unreasonable people in equally psycho and unreasonable ways were used in medieval and pre-medieval times. It is primitive, ineffective and unjust. Modern legal systems in developed countries should be focused on developing punishments and delivering justice in ways that are above this kind of primitive thinking.

Punish this form of brutality with brutality, its a good deterant, an unjust punishment for the unjust, once a person takes a life, especially in a completely sickening way like this, this person forfiets the right to the safety of their own life. However maybe this article did get the better of me, rotting in jail for the remainder of life is a good pinishment, so long as the cell is small, dark, cold and isolated.

u said that ppl who take a human life should be punished. what happens to all the war veterans should they be tortured. dont tell me its different. one human life is as valuable as the next.

To take the life of an innocent is murder, soldiers who fight wars accept the fact that they will have to kill and thus accept the fact that their own death is justifyable. The non-milatary population does not make such commitments.

im not trying to bring up a lot of other stuff that has nothing to do with the poor child. its just that u have to look at in all ways.May be the father was abused like this by his father. Maybe the father threatened the mother not to say anything. Same for the nanny. Maybe he was so confused and mad cause he didnt want a child in the first place. MNow that we have showed every1 how angry we are at this sicko and said most of our angry words we need to start thinking about the y he did this. If he didnt want the child the mother couldve aborted it or left it for adoption. And if the father has mental issues is he or y hasnt he used it as an excuse??There are too many reasons y he could've done this and we can argue about this untill we are typing in our death bed. :confused:

ok tyvm i didnt think of it that way. u see most of the options are opionated and ill tell u im the first on that list its just to hear cold hard facts and when we do hear them we dont want to except them.

You think?

extensive tests have been undertaken to prove that I indeed do think.

I've only gone through the last couple of pages of this thread so forgive me if I'm repeating a point someone else has already made.

First point is that while this certainly happened in Florida, the attitudes that underlie this kind of behavior are widespread, not only throughout the US, but throughout most of the world. It was a cheap shot to single out Florida and Jeb Bush for this, and I promise you, you won't see me write that very often.

Here's the second, and to my mind, more salient point. Yes, the guy who did this is some kind of freak for doing this to his kid, but we do need to ask ourselves why he would find it so terrible should his child turn out to be gay that he felt the need to do this to a three year old. I'm not excusing his behavior or suggesting therapy or any crap like that. I'm talking about exploring the underlying societal issues that condone or even accent the notion that to be gay is 1) to be feminine, and 2) to be weak.

That, to me, is the underlying issue that no one really wants to get into here. What is it about our society that allows, condones or even at times encourages acts of violence toward gay men because of some fucked up ethos that says they're not manly enough? What causes that attitude? And how can we get past it?

I could get into a lot of stuff about how changing attitudes toward traditional gender roles is causing a change in the way we perceive gay men, for the better, and how part of this violence is the inevitable backlash against a changing world, but that'll take a lot longer and this post is long enough. Anyone want to take that up?

You, Sir, are an ignorant and sad excuse for a human being, or even a dog in a kennel...

*mercifully snipped*

You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to use anything like this situation to your political and popularity gain… :eek: :rolleyes:

And you ought to be ashamed of yourself for advancing eugenics. Period.

In case you hadn't noticed, some of us are kinda past the point of giving a flying fuck about popularity. We know we're disliked; we know we're probably here on borrowed time; but much and all as Vetalia's musings (based on my original post, by the way) ruffle the feathers of your righteous indignation, your 62-page rant-fest about how my sexual orientation is some kind of genetic aberrance to be corrected in utero henceforth is, in my non-humble opinion, sick beyond all believable bounds.

You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to invalidate other people's lives, other people's families, and other people's relationships. You should be ashamed for trying to stick your big, hairy, judgemental nose into everybody elses' bedchambers and livingrooms. And finally, you should be ashamed of yourself for taking aim at Vetalia, when you should have had the balls to direct your jet-plume of rage at me.

Or is it simply beneath you to address a transgendered person, O self-proclaimed defender of family? Am I somehow an untouchable? Are you somehow a Braman?

What?

This father should be stopped from having more kids. Kids should not be treated like that and at that age, the kid is still very fragile mentally and physically.

And you ought to be ashamed of yourself for advancing eugenics. Period.

In case you hadn't noticed, some of us are kinda past the point of giving a flying fuck about popularity. We know we're disliked; we know we're probably here on borrowed time; but much and all as Vetalia's musings (based on my original post, by the way) ruffle the feathers of your righteous indignation, your 62-page rant-fest about how my sexual orientation is some kind of genetic aberrance to be corrected in utero henceforth is, in my non-humble opinion, sick beyond all believable bounds.

You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to invalidate other people's lives, other people's families, and other people's relationships. You should be ashamed for trying to stick your big, hairy, judgemental nose into everybody elses' bedchambers and livingrooms. And finally, you should be ashamed of yourself for taking aim at Vetalia, when you should have had the balls to direct your jet-plume of rage at me.

Or is it simply beneath you to address a transgendered person, O self-proclaimed defender of family? Am I somehow an untouchable? Are you somehow a Braman?

What?

Chill man there's no way your going to get through to him and there's no way he's getting through to you so before it degrades anymore you might as well leave it. You made your point believe me. Theres no point you getting banned because of this.

*snip*


If you have issues with me, take it to the proper thread, or make a new one.

Taking shots at at me via an outrage thread of a murdered and abused child is pathetic... I won't say anthing else here, except to say child abuse has nothing to do with political debate.

If you have issues with me, take to the proper thread, or make a new one.

Taking shots at at me via an outrage thread of a murdered and abused child is pathetic... I won't say anthing else here, except to say child abuse has nothing to do with political debate.

I wish you wouldn't say anything else. Taking the moral high ground how noble of you :rolleyes:

Chill man there's no way your going to get through to him and there's no way he's getting through to you so before it degrades anymore you might as well leave it. You made your point believe me. Theres no point you getting banned because of this.

I'm sick and tired of him invalidating my life and the lives of others. If I get banned for standing up to an advocate of eugenics, I will have been banned for doing something worthwhile on this forum.

That's it, I've stated my case.

And incidentally, I prefer not being called, 'man', if you'd be so kind.

And incidentally, I prefer not being called, 'man', if you'd be so kind.

No offence ment Dobbs

Only in Jeb Bush's Florida. Simply horrid.

'TAMPA - Even though the boy would shake and wet himself, his father, Ronnie Paris Jr., would box with the 3-year-old, slapping him in the head until he cried because he didn't want his son to grow up to be ``a sissy,'' the boy's mother testified Monday.

Others corroborated Nysheerah Paris' testimony as the prosecution built its case during the first day of the capital murder trial of Ronnie Paris Jr., 21, accused of abusing 3-year- old Ronnie Paris until the boy slipped into a coma Jan. 22.

He died six days later with swelling on both sides of his brain.

``He was trying to teach him how to fight,'' said Shanita Powell, Nysheerah Paris' sister. ``He was concerned that the child might be gay.'''

http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBV5C523BE.html


Oh, and the child was taken off of life support. By Florida's child welfare protection agency (the very same that is going after Michael Schiavo). Do these people have no shame?

I know alot of people have wished death upon this arsehole, but I personally want him a jail for a long long time. I'm sure many more horrible thigs would happen to him there than he could possible recieve at trial.

:gundge: Too good, although I think if he is imprisoned he should suffer so terribly that he would wish for death.

Like having him beaten up daily until he pisses himself? Just tell the other inmates what he's in for.
(Sorry, sometimes my compassion-and-understanding gives out.)

I know alot of people have wished death upon this arsehole, but I personally want him a jail for a long long time. I'm sure many more horrible thigs would happen to him there than he could possible recieve at trial.
While I wish him the worst … there is something wrong about having us letting inmates do the job that we ourselves are not willing to do … specially whoever commits this act, they will be responsible if ever found out.

Potentially making other inmates lives harder just because we were unwilling to do something ourselves or more importantly not willing to stop it from happening is just wrong in my book

sad that there is still this kind of intolerence in this world :(


Even more sad that the father of a child could be so fucking ignorant. I cant even comprehend this stupidty. Teaching a THREE year old how to fight. And KILLING your own son in the process.

I'm disgusted. These stories sicken me. I think they also remind me of how to continue loving and caring for my own kids. I hope if there are any idiots on the borderline of doing something stupid like this, that maybe this story will open their eyes.

Only in Jeb Bush's Florida. Simply horrid.

'TAMPA - Even though the boy would shake and wet himself, his father, Ronnie Paris Jr., would box with the 3-year-old, slapping him in the head until he cried because he didn't want his son to grow up to be ``a sissy,'' the boy's mother testified Monday.

Others corroborated Nysheerah Paris' testimony as the prosecution built its case during the first day of the capital murder trial of Ronnie Paris Jr., 21, accused of abusing 3-year- old Ronnie Paris until the boy slipped into a coma Jan. 22.

He died six days later with swelling on both sides of his brain.

``He was trying to teach him how to fight,'' said Shanita Powell, Nysheerah Paris' sister. ``He was concerned that the child might be gay.'''

http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBV5C523BE.html


Oh, and the child was taken off of life support. By Florida's child welfare protection agency (the very same that is going after Michael Schiavo). Do these people have no shame?
That's just disgusting. I can understand wanting to teach your kid to fight and wanting him to be tough, but beating the hell out of a 3 year old until he slips into a coma because he might be gay? These people, both the father and the mother because she didnt' intervene, should be made an example of.

On the subject of Jeb Bush's Florida, well, it was a black (I'm assuming because of the mother's name) gay kid, so his life is probably not as valuable as a white woman's. :rolleyes:

Here's the second, and to my mind, more salient point. Yes, the guy who did this is some kind of freak for doing this to his kid, but we do need to ask ourselves why he would find it so terrible should his child turn out to be gay that he felt the need to do this to a three year old. I'm not excusing his behavior or suggesting therapy or any crap like that. I'm talking about exploring the underlying societal issues that condone or even accent the notion that to be gay is 1) to be feminine, and 2) to be weak.



Ok-lets just for a minute say that intolerance is ok. (I personally tolerate most people, until such time as they deliberately affect me in some way. I dont understand homosexuality, its origins, etc, but would in no way hold it against a person. I live and let live until someone gives me a reason to be otherwise.)
Now-can roughing a person up, or beating them, actually prevent or "cure" homosexuality? Did this imbecile actually think that with a harsh regimen and the ability to fight, that this 3 year old child could "overcome" homosexuality? As if you could tell with a boy that age anyway.

Again- I dont claim to understand homosexuality and dont want to come off as ignorant.

And that aside-I still dont understand how a man can deliberately harm his child in this manner. I dont know how he can live with himself after he has committed this deed. If he is even partially human, living with this will be the harshest punishment of all-worse than imprisonment. I couldnt imagine if one of my children died by accident or through my own negligence. But to cause it with your bare hands.

I am really sickened.

Yes, I wish I had all my forskin!

http://www.cirp.org/library/history/


Maybe your parents kept it in an album, like on "Meet the Fockers". Ask them-maybe there is still hope! :D

If he's capable for beating his 3 year old son, whats he capable of doing to his wife?
His wife was capable of taking the kid and going to the police. Then either hiding until he's arrested or staying with some big, tough, well-armed relatives until the scum who was beating her son was locked up.

What makes a child so special that people think that criminals should be treated different when doing something to a child rather than an adult. I can understand understand why up to 6 year olds are treated with a less harsh sentence, but higher then that should be the same.
Basic animal instinct to protect the young. Same reason those lions in Ethiopia protected the crying young girl from her kidnappers.

Bloody hell...that is unbelievable. "Trying to teach him how to fight"? Some people aren't meant to be parents.
Nothing wrong with trying to teach him how to fight. Beating on him is a whole different story.

When I have kids I'll teach them to fight, male or female, straight or gay. I'll buy them a speed bag, a heavy bag, and some gloves. When they're old enough I may do some very light sparring with them. By then they'll be young teenagers and they can handle it. I'll also enroll them in a good martial arts school that teaches real-life fighting skills. That's the right way to do it. You don't start throwing punches at a 3 year old to teach him anything.

And you ought to be ashamed of yourself for advancing eugenics. Period.

In case you hadn't noticed, some of us are kinda past the point of giving a flying fuck about popularity. We know we're disliked; we know we're probably here on borrowed time; but much and all as Vetalia's musings (based on my original post, by the way) ruffle the feathers of your righteous indignation, your 62-page rant-fest about how my sexual orientation is some kind of genetic aberrance to be corrected in utero henceforth is, in my non-humble opinion, sick beyond all believable bounds.

You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to invalidate other people's lives, other people's families, and other people's relationships. You should be ashamed for trying to stick your big, hairy, judgemental nose into everybody elses' bedchambers and livingrooms. And finally, you should be ashamed of yourself for taking aim at Vetalia, when you should have had the balls to direct your jet-plume of rage at me.

Or is it simply beneath you to address a transgendered person, O self-proclaimed defender of family? Am I somehow an untouchable? Are you somehow a Braman?

What?

Nice job, Dobbs. :cool: I would have said something, but I wasn't online. He must have posted later than 11:30 or so.

Nothing wrong with trying to teach him how to fight. Beating on him is a whole different story.

When I have kids I'll teach them to fight, male or female, straight or gay. I'll buy them a speed bag, a heavy bag, and some gloves. When they're old enough I may do some very light sparring with them. By then they'll be young teenagers and they can handle it. I'll also enroll them in a good martial arts school that teaches real-life fighting skills. That's the right way to do it. You don't start throwing punches at a 3 year old to teach him anything.


Yeah-three year olds still need to held and cuddled. They need to have books read to them and run and play with their father.

Long before anyone needs to be taught to stand up for themselves, they need to develop confidence and identity. They need to know they are cared for and have someone they can rely on. They need to learn to trust their instinct and develop a sense of right and wrong.

I'd rather have a child with self confidence that cant fight than a child that can fight, but is totally unsure and insecure. Those are the ones tha turn into bullies.

I agree the mother should've done more... they all should. but the problem is what... loose your son and have your spouse always blaming you for loosing your son... run/divorce, that MIGHT lead to stalking and kidnapping... it's a tough decision and her choice cost them her son and his freedom (I hope)


She most likely lost her freedom as well. Felony child neglect isn't a walk in the park.

Yeah-three year olds still need to held and cuddled. They need to have books read to them and run and play with their father.

Long before anyone needs to be taught to stand up for themselves, they need to develop confidence and identity. They need to know they are cared for and have someone they can rely on. They need to learn to trust their instinct and develop a sense of right and wrong.

I'd rather have a child with self confidence that cant fight than a child that can fight, but is totally unsure and insecure. Those are the ones tha turn into bullies.
I agree. Three is way too young to start, but every kid should know how to defend himself/herself when the child's old enough.

Ah I finally read the thingy (article).

This is basically what it said.

Father slapped boxed with his son because he was afraid that the son was a sissy.
Mother(?) said he (Father) was afraid the son might be gay
Witness (neighbor?) said the father was afraid that the son would be pushed around
Witness said he warned the father about being so rough with the child
Father was especially rough when the son was sick (He "slammed" his son against a wall, because he was vomiting)
Child tooken away after being admitted to the hospital after being admitted multiple times for vomiting
Returned 5 days after birthday
Slipped into a comma and died six weeks later

So it was to try to teach the son how to defend himself (if he was gay and pushed around).

Also the wife kept saying something along the lines of "I didn't call the police because I was afraid of them taking my child away..." which I agree with Juni(?) when he/she said that she was actually afraid of loosing her husband. Then she changed it at the end to she was afraid the police would put all the blame on her.

Yeah-three year olds still need to held and cuddled. They need to have books read to them and run and play with their father.

Long before anyone needs to be taught to stand up for themselves, they need to develop confidence and identity. They need to know they are cared for and have someone they can rely on. They need to learn to trust their instinct and develop a sense of right and wrong.

I'd rather have a child with self confidence that cant fight than a child that can fight, but is totally unsure and insecure. Those are the ones tha turn into bullies.
They need the love …
If you want to teach your kid a worthy lesson about self defense combined with lessons on discipline self reliance wait till they are 9 -12 and sign them up for some Karate lesions

The discipline the exercise the self understanding that comes from it will amaze you, and they will be learning to defend themselves at the same time as learning the lesson on digression on use of their talents.

But at 3 the kid needs love most of all (well besides food and water lol)

Yeah, everything is about gay oppression.
This guy was obviously screwed up in the head. There are no gay 3 year olds. Children are not sexual beings despite efforts to use them to justify others insecurities.

Actually, while a three year old certainly hasn't reached the age that he will begin exploring his sexuality, psychological studies have suggested that sexuality is determined by that age.

Wow. Reminds me of the threads about Nigeria killing a gay man, and a Pakistani man cutting his wife's feet off. I guess sadistic intolerant assholes cross all cultural boundaries. Humanity is in a sad state sometimes.

But the difference is that this man was a good Western man, and those others are just ignorant savages. :rolleyes:

But the difference is that this man was a good Western man, and those others are just ignorant savages. :rolleyes:
No, this guy was an ignorant savage too. The difference is that, at least in the case of the Nigerian gay man sentanced to death by stoning, our society punishes this sort of barbaric behavior, Nigerian society punishes being gay.

They need the love …
If you want to teach your kid a worthy lesson about self defense combined with lessons on discipline self reliance wait till they are 9 -12 and sign them up for some Karate lesions

The discipline the exercise the self understanding that comes from it will amaze you, and they will be learning to defend themselves at the same time as learning the lesson on digression on use of their talents.

But at 3 the kid needs love most of all (well besides food and water lol)


I agree. A kid should be able to look into his father's eyes and see how much he is worth reflected there. Not fear that he's gay, or disgust that he wont grow up to be a doctor. just a sense that he is loved and cared for no matter what happens.

My six year old is an orange belt in Tae Kwan Do. He loves to practice and belong. He didnt really have any security issues even before martial arts, he would have stuck up for himself anyway. He is in cub scouts now and I'm volunteering as a den leader. I think this is another good way to help kids develop a solid base for the future.
I also have advised both of my boys that the fear of getting beaten up can actually be worse than fighting itself. When I finally realized that in grade school, I went from dying a thousand deaths in anticipation, to holding my own and even beating the crap out of guys that should have been able to lump me up. I wasnt really big, or really strong at the time, but my attitude intimidated the ever present bullies and toadies. After a while, even my friends benefitted from this.

Governor Bush can most certainly be blamed for this death. BEFORE Jeb Bush was Governor the Florida child welfare system was under staffed and underfunded and Governor Bush's budgets over the years have slashed funding for the state welfare agencies even further so that required follow up visits to a troubled family are simply not done due to staffing shortages and children are routinely released from state care and foster homes back to abusive parents because of lack of funding.

If anyone reads the story they will see that the child was initially removed from the home. Had Governor Bush done something to fund the child welfare services the investigation might actually have been done properly and the child would never have returned to the home. If child protective sevices had talked to the same people that ae testifying in court, that child would never have been returned, but we'll never know, some over worked under paid case worker probably made one or two phone calls before moving on to the next two hundred cases that they had to resolve.

It is typical Republican rhetoric to talk about 'family values' but then cut the very government programs that are designed to protect and safeguard children and families.

I agree. A kid should be able to look into his father's eyes and see how much he is worth reflected there. Not fear that he's gay, or disgust that he wont grow up to be a doctor. just a sense that he is loved and cared for no matter what happens.

My six year old is an orange belt in Tae Kwan Do. He loves to practice and belong. He didnt really have any security issues even before martial arts, he would have stuck up for himself anyway. He is in cub scouts now and I'm volunteering as a den leader. I think this is another good way to help kids develop a solid base for the future.
I also have advised both of my boys that the fear of getting beaten up can actually be worse than fighting itself. When I finally realized that in grade school, I went from dying a thousand deaths in anticipation, to holding my own and even beating the crap out of guys that should have been able to lump me up. I wasnt really big, or really strong at the time, but my attitude intimidated the ever present bullies and toadies. After a while, even my friends benefitted from this.


Absolutely (I was being a bit generous with the 9 just pulled it out of my ass lol I meant more "not 3") I started when I was 6 ... and went through 3rd degree black belt (Mutt style lol) It helped me not only learn about myself but overcome the awkwardness later on of being a growing boy that was bigger and stronger then all his friends

It helped me learn my body my mind and my own strength so not only was I able to focus and control my movements (meaning I did not trip over my own two big feet some days like I was prone to) but also learn things like when playing with friends how to NOT hurt them by accident (mostly)

All in all that was the best thing in my youth and my kids would be enrolled (if I have any ... doubtful I have issues with my past)

Lol and I did the cub-boy scout thing as well it was lot of fun lol

Wow. Reminds me of the threads about Nigeria killing a gay man, and a Pakistani man cutting his wife's feet off. I guess sadistic intolerant assholes cross all cultural boundaries. Humanity is in a sad state sometimes.
We're not being culturally imperialist enough! :mad:

Europe must invade the US and spread homosexuality! :fluffle:

@ Drunk Commies deleted yet again: :rolleyes:

Absolutely (I was being a bit generous with the 9 just pulled it out of my ass lol I meant more "not 3") I started when I was 6 ... and went through 3rd degree black belt (Mutt style lol) It helped me not only learn about myself but overcome the awkwardness later on of being a growing boy that was bigger and stronger then all his friends

It helped me learn my body my mind and my own strength so not only was I able to focus and control my movements (meaning I did not trip over my own two big feet some days like I was prone to) but also learn things like when playing with friends how to NOT hurt them by accident (mostly)

All in all that was the best thing in my youth and my kids would be enrolled (if I have any ... doubtful I have issues with my past)

Lol and I did the cub-boy scout thing as well it was lot of fun lol

I agree-both of these can help build a strong foundation. But parents that care and nurture are the most important thing.

Not batting around a 3 year old till he dies.

I'm still sickened. I wish we didnt hear all these stories. make you wonder how many we dont hear about for every one we do hear about.

I agree-both of these can help build a strong foundation. But parents that care and nurture are the most important thing.

Not batting around a 3 year old till he dies.

I'm still sickened. I wish we didnt hear all these stories. make you wonder how many we dont hear about for every one we do hear about.
Yeah I was not trying to imply anything else love is the most important (again putting aside food water and shelter … the imitate needs) lol

Thats because gays are morally corrupt. The father HAD to kill him to teach him how to be loving and righteous.

Thats because gays are morally corrupt. The father HAD to kill him to teach him how to be loving and righteous.
Now I know you are being sarcastic here but may want to clarify that for some of our less bright posting friends lol

Now I know you are being sarcastic here but may want to clarify that for some of our less bright posting friends lol


It's like the proof of God thing. It's funny to watch the people who don't get it. :D

It's like the proof of God thing. It's funny to watch the people who don't get it. :D
Lol it is funny cause most of them will do an instant reply not read the two or three messages beneath it to clarify lol

You, Sir, are an ignorant and sad excuse for a human being, or even a dog in a kennel...
You, Sir, have flamed and personally attacked posters here once too often. Take a week to cool off.

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Thank you Frisbeeteria. Thank you. Thank you thank you thank you...

I feel a lot better, now.

I think it's amazing how we stretch these incidents to politicize them. Let's see what political issues has this been stretched to affect? Eugenics, circumcision (The older male in the Fantistic Four couldn't have made that stretch), abortion, homosexual rights (yes, this one is probably the smallest stretch), Jeb Bush, GWB, and a few more I can't think of off the top of my head. Sometime can't we just have some respect and let this be a case of a man beating his child to death? Isn't it sick enough without making it into something affecting some national movement?

@ Drunk Commies deleted yet again: :rolleyes:

I read this and thought he'd, in fact, been deleted again. *amused at self*

I read this and thought he'd, in fact, been deleted again. *amused at self*
Me too lol

You, Sir, have flamed and personally attacked posters here once too often. Take a week to cool off.

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Thanks, Fris. I wish I could have said something, but this is just as good.

Me too lol

9000 posts and the first sign I see of your intelligence - agreeing with me. ;)

NOTE: Not flaming, I'm teasing. I'm not actually suggesting UT is stupid.

Sometime can't we just have some respect and let this be a case of a man beating his child to death? Isn't it sick enough without making it into something affecting some national movement?

I agree. That's why I posted what I did earlier.

that guy was a moolie, right? Right.

that guy was a moolie, right? Right.

All, do not feed the troll.

that guy was a moolie, right? Right.

1) What does his ethnic background have to do with anything?
2) Don't use racial slurs on this board if you intend to remain here for long. Make your point civilly.

This was the FRIENDLY warning. Let's not go for the official one, shall we?

Only in Jeb Bush's Florida. Simply horrid.

I've lost my enthusiasm for his brother after four years of failure to even aggressively attack the real culprits of 9/11, legislative assaults on the Constitution, and the blahblahblah about irrelevant issues (gay marriage being the posterchild of that). But still, I don't know much about Jeb Bush. I just can't see why that comment was made...

You could blame it on reactionary hicks, but they're not confined to the South or to Republican-dominated states.

Oh, and the child was taken off of life support. By Florida's child welfare protection agency (the very same that is going after Michael Schiavo). Do these people have no shame?

Michael Schiavo is a psychotic murderer.

Killing people is bad enough but killin your own child, you own flesh? A grown man beating his own child into a coma deserves the chair or the chamber. Or at least life in prison.

"Only in Jeb Bush's Florida."



I dont come down here often, but this statement has to be responded to, the above statement is wrong, and beyond the pail.

only the animal who killed his child is to blame, not the sitting Gov of Florida.


Yes, I know, I know what you will say, Mr Bush of Florida, and his Brother are not for homosexual marriage, but that does not mean they support child murder, that is wrong headed,and sinks to the level of the most low.



now I'm getting out of here. I said my 2 cents.

While the government of Jeb Bush may not be to blame directly, it is part of the cultural movement that is to blame in this case and cases of machismo motivated violence like it.

Part of the driving force of extreme right wing politics (which is very much in place in America today) is an obsession with hyper-masculinism. The belief that the more manly the nation as a whole is, the better. In the case of this man he believed that it was better to err on the side of making his child more manly than erring on the side of him being alive.

With masculinity, as with most things, there is a laffer curve in which too much becomes destructive. If you become too verile and agressive rather than communicative and conciliatory, you become a raging psychopath. If you become analytical and logical to the exclusion of intuition and empathy, you become autistic. To pick one side to err on is foolish, and to think that the middle is just right next to where you are is more so. Both Bush's are a part of a culture that encourages all of those follies.

Seee?? There is some logic to getting pregnant via sperm donation. That way you have no egostical guy running around, and you can raise a boy to be well rounded (ie. let him take ballet lessons along with tennis or whatever...). Still, thats horrid. Is the prosecution charging it as a hate crime?

Yup. It's sad, all right.

Actually, while a three year old certainly hasn't reached the age that he will begin exploring his sexuality, psychological studies have suggested that sexuality is determined by that age.


Yeah, I have also heard that for ages 6 and 9 so whatever. From what I have gathered in my limited experience in science and psychology there is still debate about the nature vs. nurture issue. Seems to me that there are a lot of possibilities for things to go wrong for a lot of reasons.

Seems to me that there are a lot of possibilities for things to go wrong for a lot of reasons.

Seems to me people are very poor arbiters of what went or is right and wrong.