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As of 3:30 or so yesterday, I am a part of the California national guard. I ship to Fort Benning, Georgia, 27 Jun 06. My first weekend is next weekend, will probably get my uniform and everything right before that. I will be in the 1st Battalion - 185th Infantry Regiment(It may be 184th, Im confused about some renaming of things). I signed up as Eleven Bravo, Infantry. As of now, my pay-grade is only E-1 I believe, but if all goes well, I should be a PFC or so by the time I go to benning.

I made Body fat at MEPS, just barely. I have 20/20 eyesight, never knew before. I couldnt make out what my hearing tests meant, but I passed obviously. I got a 97 on my ASVAB. I will be getting a 10k kicker, half to be paid after my advanced training, half on my 3rd year anniversary with the guard.

Any comments?

If you get sent to Iraq, be sure to terrorize children instead of trying to be nice to them. That way, when the terrorists "justifiably" try and kill you, no matter who is around, you might have chased all the children away and made them hate you already.

Shouldn't you have written "around 1530 or so..."?

Uh, have fun. Or something.

Seeya.

*bursts out laughing*

Have fun risking your life for a pointless war

If you get sent to Iraq, be sure to terrorize children instead of trying to be nice to them. That way, when the terrorists "justifiably" try and kill you, no matter who is around, you might have chased all the children away and made them hate you already.

Ignored. Borderline flaming/trolling.

Shouldn't you have written "around 1530 or so..."?

Either works in a civilian setting, I suppose. Though in reference in MEPS, I probably should have.

well, when the draft comes, we'll all be with you in Iraq or some other Middle Eastern country!

Have fun risking your life for a pointless war

Seeing as its going to be at least 2 years before I would ever see combat, and then still fairly unlikely...

Congratulations, and good luck, stay safe, if you get stationed anywhere dangerous that is.

As of 3:30 or so yesterday, I am a part of the California national guard. I ship to Fort Benning, Georgia, 27 Jun 06. My first weekend is next weekend, will probably get my uniform and everything right before that. I will be in the 1st Battalion - 185th Infantry Regiment(It may be 184th, Im confused about some renaming of things). I signed up as Eleven Bravo, Infantry. As of now, my pay-grade is only E-1 I believe, but if all goes well, I should be a PFC or so by the time I go to benning.

I made Body fat at MEPS, just barely. I have 20/20 eyesight, never knew before. I couldnt make out what my hearing tests meant, but I passed obviously. I got a 97 on my ASVAB. I will be getting a 10k kicker, half to be paid after my advanced training, half on my 3rd year anniversary with the guard.

Any comments?
Yes. You GO, dude! I admire you! :)

Let me know if I can help in any way, or answer any questions you might have. I was in for a long time! :)

Ignored. Borderline flaming/trolling.

Hardly.

I was just wondering if you would be willing to do what you think is necessary to protect children.

Yes. You GO, dude! I admire you! :)

You didn't go back into your other thread, did you?

I hardly think that Chellis is who we want fighting for us.

As of 3:30 or so yesterday, I am a part of the California national guard. I ship to Fort Benning, Georgia, 27 Jun 06. My first weekend is next weekend, will probably get my uniform and everything right before that. I will be in the 1st Battalion - 185th Infantry Regiment(It may be 184th, Im confused about some renaming of things). I signed up as Eleven Bravo, Infantry. As of now, my pay-grade is only E-1 I believe, but if all goes well, I should be a PFC or so by the time I go to benning.

I made Body fat at MEPS, just barely. I have 20/20 eyesight, never knew before. I couldnt make out what my hearing tests meant, but I passed obviously. I got a 97 on my ASVAB. I will be getting a 10k kicker, half to be paid after my advanced training, half on my 3rd year anniversary with the guard.

Any comments?

Congrats, buddy. Thanks for serving - lots of us appreciate it. We'll be thinking of you.

Oh Chellis, you fool, you poor fool!
Just kidding. Congrats! A childhood friend of mine that beat me to OCS is a 2LT company commander out there- yeah, desperate shortage of officers to make a butterbar in charge of a company- but he is one squared away guy.
He is the CO of C 1/160 IN, 2LT Andrew Poincot. Telegraph me and I will tell you some great stuff to ask him about.

Yes. You GO, dude! I admire you! :)

Let me know if I can help in any way, or answer any questions you might have. I was in for a long time! :)

Something small...

At MEPS, and a few other places, I've seen army called DAR, and the guard DAG. What exactly do those mean?

Something small...

At MEPS, and a few other places, I've seen army called DAR, and the guard DAG. What exactly do those mean?
Not sure about the "D," but AR means "active reserve," and AG means "active guard."

Not sure about the "D," but AR means "active reserve," and AG means "active guard."

Yeah, I kinda assumed that...but all the army people had DAR, including active ones.

well, when the draft comes, we'll all be with you in Iraq or some other Middle Eastern country!

Speak for yourself, I'll be here running an underground rail road to Canada. I am so inelegible for millitary duty it's not funny (although they did send that amputee . . .) so I can be relitivly sure I'll be here to help keep the country from making slaves of it's people.

Good Job! That's one of the most honorable jobs in the country!

Yeah, I kinda assumed that...but all the army people had DAR, including active ones.

i think D stands for designated.

*edit*

and congratz.

i think D stands for designated.

Possible...but Airforce and navy didnt have them...Dunno...

Something small...

At MEPS, and a few other places, I've seen army called DAR, and the guard DAG. What exactly do those mean?

I believe if I remember correctly it is Domestic Active Reserve and Domestic National Guard. It just means you are not coming from Canada UK, PR, Guam etc.

Possible...but Airforce and navy didnt have them...Dunno...

hum... i thought i remembered seeing that when i was going through MEPS for AF a year ago.... guess i was wrong.

I hardly think that Chellis is who we want fighting for us.
This deserves to be quoted. What an attitude.

Suppourt the troops not the war. You go dude.

well, when the draft comes, we'll all be with you in Iraq or some other Middle Eastern country!

Not absolutely correct....

Having already served (and been discharged; and on top of it, am past my mandatory inactive reserve period); unless (between now and my 36th birthday, on June 4th, 2009) I choose to re-activate; I will never be forced to go to Iraq.

I can no longer be drafted... I am not on the rolls
I can no longer be involuntarily activated; I am passed such point
And my limit to re-enlist, is my 35th year...

I also have no plan to voluntarily assist the Bush Administrations goals.... And they cannot involuntarily make me.... SO I feel particularly great....

As of 3:30 or so yesterday, I am a part of the California national guard. I ship to Fort Benning, Georgia, 27 Jun 06. My first weekend is next weekend, will probably get my uniform and everything right before that. I will be in the 1st Battalion - 185th Infantry Regiment(It may be 184th, Im confused about some renaming of things). I signed up as Eleven Bravo, Infantry. {*snip*}

While a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, an Eleven bush is best.

Or something... :rolleyes:

Anyway, seriously, congrats.

This deserves to be quoted. What an attitude.

I'm sorry. Is it wrong to hope for the soldiers of my country to be the type of people who I would want to invite to a barbecue, rather than the type I would wish to have checked to see if they were sociopaths?

Is it wrong to wish that the soldiers of my country NOT be the type who think it is "justifiable" to knowingly and purposefully kill 20 children to get a single enemy combatant?

well, when the draft comes, we'll all be with you in Iraq or some other Middle Eastern country!
except for me, I can't see for shit and I have bad everything

I'm sorry. Is it wrong to hope for the soldiers of my country to be the type of people who I would want to invite to a barbecue, rather than the type I would wish to have checked to see if they were sociopaths?

Is it wrong to wish that the soldiers of my country NOT be the type who think it is "justifiable" to knowingly and purposefully kill 20 children to get a single enemy combatant?

Is it wrong? Gee, I don't know. Do you want to have a soldier 'class' in your society you can have 'agreement parties' and barbecues with? It's unfitting for a soldier to have ideals of his own? Jesus. And you are talking about sociopaths. Of course, it's up to the people who make the decions how somebody is allowed in the military. Apparently they don't agree with your 'barbecue method' when Chellis is in, right?

Yeah, I kinda assumed that...but all the army people had DAR, including active ones.
You stumped me on that one. Might be something they've started using since I had to get out in '97. [ puzzled look ]

As of 3:30 or so yesterday, I am a part of the California national guard. I ship to Fort Benning, Georgia, 27 Jun 06. My first weekend is next weekend, will probably get my uniform and everything right before that. I will be in the 1st Battalion - 185th Infantry Regiment(It may be 184th, Im confused about some renaming of things). I signed up as Eleven Bravo, Infantry. As of now, my pay-grade is only E-1 I believe, but if all goes well, I should be a PFC or so by the time I go to benning.

I made Body fat at MEPS, just barely. I have 20/20 eyesight, never knew before. I couldnt make out what my hearing tests meant, but I passed obviously. I got a 97 on my ASVAB. I will be getting a 10k kicker, half to be paid after my advanced training, half on my 3rd year anniversary with the guard.

Any comments?
Good luck and don't get yourself killed. Seriously.

I'm sorry. Is it wrong to hope for the soldiers of my country to be the type of people who I would want to invite to a barbecue, rather than the type I would wish to have checked to see if they were sociopaths?

Is it wrong to wish that the soldiers of my country NOT be the type who think it is "justifiable" to knowingly and purposefully kill 20 children to get a single enemy combatant?
In my over 34 years of association with the US Army in one form or another, I only encountered one soldier whom I could accuse of being a sociopath, and even he would never have knowingly endangered children.

In my over 34 years of association with the US Army in one form or another, I only encountered one soldier whom I could accuse of being a sociopath, and even he would never have knowingly endagered children.

And that's the way it should be.

Is it wrong? Gee, I don't know. Do you want to have a soldier 'class' in your society you can have 'agreement parties' and barbecues with?

I don't want to have a soldier "class" at all.

Meanwhile, I'm not sure what an "agreement party" is, but it doesn't sound like much fun.

It's unfitting for a soldier to have ideals of his own?

Not in the least. But it is pretty unfitting for any human being to think that the end-goal of killing a single enemy soldier justifies the means of taking 20 or more innocent children's lives in the process.

That type of lack of empathy pretty much defines a sociopath.

And that's the way it should be.
:)

Not in the least. But it is pretty unfitting for any human being to think that the end-goal of killing a single enemy soldier justifies the means of taking 20 or more innocent children's lives in the process.
And that, from what i can tell, is what Chellis was discusing in that other thread. Maybe he wants to be that soldier who is vigilant in the turret when the others are handing out candy..? And you say you don't want him to protect your country - or whatever he is ordered to do. What a fucked-up thing to say...

And that, from what i can tell, is what Chellis was discusing in that other thread. Maybe he wants to be that soldier who is vigilant in the turret when the others are handing out candy..? And you say you don't want him to protect your country - or whatever he is ordered to do. What a fucked-up thing to say...

I keep my politics out of my job. I was not wanting to respond to anything from Dem, but he keeps posting in my thread, despite my ignoring him. I will do whatever I am ordered to do, to the best of my ability. I want to win this war. Just because I believe that a certain car bombing was justified, relative to their cause, does not mean I am rooting for them to win or something.

Good luck and don't get yourself killed. Seriously.

Dont worry, thats the last thing I want to do ^_^

Hey, the last place my unit got sent was guantanamo bay. I wouldnt be surprised if I found myself in kosovo or afghanistan, or something.

And that, from what i can tell, is what Chellis was discusing in that other thread.

No, it isn't.

He didn't say that such behavior was unfitting of a human being. In fact, he quite clearly stated that it was perfectly justifiable.

Maybe he wants to be that soldier who is vigilant in the turret when the others are handing out candy..?

This doesn't have anything at all to do with saying that it is justifiable to kill 20 innocent children to get at one solider, now does it?

And you say you don't want him to protect your country - or whatever he is ordered to do. What a fucked-up thing to say...

I don't want someone sent to fight for my country that thinks it is ok to kill 20 innocent children in order to get to one soldier with good reason - he might actually do that. He might do something that puts countless civilian lives in danger because it means he kills one terrorist. That isn't the type of person I want fighting for my country. I don't think it is "fucked up" to hope that the soldiers who are supposed to fight for me wouldn't think this way.

Chellis said "it's okay to kill 20 innocent children"? I really need to read that other thread again ...from the start. Be back to you later.

Chellis said "it's okay to kill 20 innocent children"? I really need to read that other thread again ...from the start. Be back to you later.

what other thread was this?

My mother made me and my brother swear we would never join the military. My brother would be able to get enlisted easily. me, being almost blind in one eye? not so easy. though i think your brave for wanting to fight for your country, its not a career i would willingly go in to. It looks very scary.

This one, i believe http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432014&page=6&pp=15
I fucked the link up... I'm not surprised at all...

I hardly think that Chellis is who we want fighting for us.Dempublicents1 is who I want fighting in Iraq...

you can sure talk...but when...WHEN are you going to Walk the Walk Dempublicents1?

Seeing as its going to be at least 2 years before I would ever see combat, and then still fairly unlikely...2 years? What will you be doing for those 2 years? Are you sure you don't mean 2 months? Or are a you a 'split-op' or something? Whatever the case, you'll be in long enough to face combat.

2 years? What will you be doing for those 2 years? Are you sure you don't mean 2 months? Or are a you a 'split-op' or something? Whatever the case, you'll be in long enough to face combat.

Im still in high school for a year, in a delayed entry program. Then boot camp is at least 2 months. Then advanced training is like 3, if im correct. Then four months of training for deployment, if Im to be deployed. And thats assuming they plan to deploy right after I get out of AIT. Otherwise, I get to wait until my unit comes back from wherever they are deployed, and wait until they get sent out again. Either way, its at least like 20 months, depending how long AIT is. By then, supposedly at least, the national guard will be playing a smaller role in iraq. They might not even send me, as I will be going to college and all.

Oh crap. I went through that other thread (whole 12 pages), and found out that Chellis did not say "It's okay to kill 20 innocent children". I didn't even see him advocating the killing of 20 chilren, innocent or not. Maybe you could direct me to an exact post, dem?

Was it this post that bothered you...?
Americans try to bomb enemy forces, and children get killed. Its an unfortunate accident, but civilian casualties happen in war.

A suicide bomber attacks a humvee with american soldiers, and children get killed. The terrorists are baby killers.

Honestly, this is just idiocy. Nobody wants to kill children, and both side uses dead children to demonize the other. Both sides of this conflict are using similar tactics, such as terrorizing the populace(US does it simply by maintaining military control), using forbidden targets to defend themselves(US soldiers by children, Insurgents in schools or religious places), trying to make the other one look like its trying to kill civilians. Can nobody look at this from a realistic viewpoint?

US: Not worrying about why it started the war, its trying to accomplish it with minimum civilian deaths. It is trying to set up democracy and iraqi forces to deal with the country, it is trying to destroy insurgents, or those who aid insurgents, and sometimes, it kills those who arent either. Its unfortunate, but it happens.

Insurgency: Not worrying who makes up the insurgency, they are not trying to kill civilians as much as possible. Its trying to push the US out of Iraq, as they don't want the US in Iraq, for whatever reasons(religious, patriotism, etc). They try to kill US soldiers, and those who aid them(including many civilians, who either do help the us, or are suspected to be helping the US). The problem with the insurgency, is it doesn't have the intelligence(as in, soldiers in intelligence sectors) to really prove who is or isnt helping the US. But if they are suspicious, they attempt to kill them.

The Insurgency is made up of various people, however. Some are not Iraqi, some are misguided, and some are attacking things with very few combatants, so to speak. Its unfortunate, but the Insurgency needs as many people as it needs, so it takes anyone who will take up arms. Because of this, and not having a real good intelligence sector(an expansive one, but cant really get deep), accidents happen too. People who are completely innocent die. Children die, because its an attempt to hurt combatants.

The insurgency uses terrorism to an extent, as the US army does. But in the popular sense, they are not terrorists. They arent trying to kill civilians, just to scare the populace into doing what they want. They are trying to scare people from supporting the US, but if it had been french citizens in ww2, nobody would have called the resistance terrorists, if they had killed collaberators.

If you support the war, fine. If you dont, fine. But dont demonize either side. They are all humans, and they dont do things for the sake of being evil.
That's pretty fucked-up right there. Borderline sane!

My mother made me and my brother swear we would never join the military. My brother would be able to get enlisted easily. me, being almost blind in one eye? not so easy. though i think your brave for wanting to fight for your country, its not a career i would willingly go in to. It looks very scary.
It can be at times, but it's also one of the most rewarding things many have ever done.

Being in most military organizations gives you the opportunity to do something noble and right and just, while becoming a brother to those who do likewise. When you march through an earthly variant of hell, you know you can trust those who went with you. You become a significant part of something much greater than yourself, and you get paid for it.

Other than helping to raise five of the finest young people I know, having been in the US Army, and in combat with some of the finest people I have ever known, was the highlight of my life. I've never regretted it for one moment.

Oh crap. I went through that other thread (whole 12 pages), and found out that Chellis did not say "It's okay to kill 20 innocent children". I didn't even see him advocating the killing of 20 chilren, innocent or not. Maybe you could direct me to an exact post, dem?

Was it this post that bothered you...?

That's pretty fucked-up right there. Borderline sane!
Politically correct bullshit carried to its illogical extreme.

Dempublicents1 is who I want fighting in Iraq...

You shouldn't. I am utterly unfit for the military, and I know it. My contribution to society will ramain in the biomedical field, where I can be of some use.

you can sure talk...but when...WHEN are you going to Walk the Walk Dempublicents1?

I am. I am doing what I am well-suited for.

Bunnyducks Oh crap. I went through that other thread (whole 12 pages), and found out that Chellis did not say "It's okay to kill 20 innocent children". I didn't even see him advocating the killing of 20 chilren, innocent or not. Maybe you could direct me to an exact post, dem?

Are you a puppet? Seriously, I'm not going to play the word game with you people. Did I ever say he used that exact quote?

No. But if you follow the conversation that ensued after that particular post, you would see that Chellis, more than once, stated that such tactics were entirely justifiable and that, in fact, the terrorists shouldn't have waited or looked for a convoy not surrounded by 20 children. "Justifiable" - his exact word, and one that he decided to play the word game with when I dared to use a synonym.

Any comments?

Congratulations and thank you for joining. I wish you the best.
From; A US Air Force Senior Master Sergeant (E-8) Retired.

You didn't go back into your other thread, did you?

I hardly think that Chellis is who we want fighting for us.

So you are not willing to fight for us yet you are putting down those who are. You are willing to let others fight and possibly die for your right to “freedom of speech.” How utterly two faced and cowardly of you. :mad:

Speak for yourself, I'll be here running an underground rail road to Canada. I am so inelegible for millitary duty it's not funny (although they did send that amputee . . .) so I can be relitivly sure I'll be here to help keep the country from making slaves of it's people.

So why don't you leave for Canada now? Why wait?

Dempublicents1 is who I want fighting in Iraq...

you can sure talk...but when...WHEN are you going to Walk the Walk Dempublicents1?
He doesn't have to if he doesn't want to. Haven't you heard? The military is all volunteer now.

So you are not willing to fight for us yet you are putting down those who are. You are willing to let others fight and possibly die for your right to “freedom of speech.” How utterly two faced and cowardly of you. :mad:Im sure Dempublicents has some kind of "medical problem"..."his daddy is already there"...or other xcuse like that :gundge:

NSgeneral some Chickenhawks..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chickenhawk_(politics)

You stumped me on that one. Might be something they've started using since I had to get out in '97. [ puzzled look ]

Damn Eut, I thought you were another "old fart." Got out in 97? Hell, you are just a snotty nosed kid. :D I retired in 88. :(

Damn Eut, I thought you were another "old fart." Got out in 97? Hell, you are just a snotty nosed kid. :D I retired in 88. :(
I AM another "old fart," you twit! LOL!

I just didn't know when to get out. I would have been in up until last May when I turned 62, if I hadn't almost killed my fool self in that parachute jump at 53. :rolleyes:

So you are not willing to fight for us yet you are putting down those who are. You are willing to let others fight and possibly die for your right to “freedom of speech.” How utterly two faced and cowardly of you. :mad:

It's not that I am unwilling, more that I know I am unfit. It takes a certain type of person to be useful in the military - and I am not that type. Do you really think it would be better for me to join up and possibly endanger others by my very presence?

I do other things to benefit society, in other ways.

Edit: Meanwhile, I am not "putting down those who are." I am pointing out a certain person who I think is unfit on the basis of his own comments. It is no different than pointing out that some of my colleagues should not become medical doctors because they are unfit to do so. It doesn't mean that I have any problem with those who choose to be doctors - and are fit for the profession.

I AM another "old fart," you twit! LOL!

I just didn't know when to get out. I would have been in up until last May when I turned 62, if I hadn't almost killed my fool self in that parachute jump at 53. :rolleyes:

:) In the Air Force we learned it is not a good idea to jump out of good airplanes. Hell, sometimes we didn't even jump out of the bad airplanes. :D

Chellis congrats. Remember its an honor to serve your nation. There is a great respect by many many people for our armed forces. Dont listen to these people that want to knock you down for joining. They are just cowards that dont have enough respect for others or themselves to even listen to.

It can be at times, but it's also one of the most rewarding things many have ever done.

Being in most military organizations gives you the opportunity to do something noble and right and just, while becoming a brother to those who do likewise. When you march through an earthly variant of hell, you know you can trust those who went with you. You become a significant part of something much greater than yourself, and you get paid for it.

Other than helping to raise five of the finest young people I know, having been in the US Army, and in combat with some of the finest people I have ever known, was the highlight of my life. I've never regretted it for one moment.

Amen, that is exactly what its about. Great post....

:) In the Air Force we learned it is not a good idea to jump out of good airplanes. Hell, sometimes we didn't even jump out of the bad airplanes. :D
Don't knock it if you ain't tried it! :D

Actually, it's amazing you're still with us. LOL! :p

You shouldn't. I am utterly unfit for the military, and I know it. My contribution to society will ramain in the biomedical field, where I can be of some use.
Cool! You can develop military grade pathogens and neurotoxic chemicals. You know, "just for defensive research." ;)

If you get sent to Iraq, be sure to terrorize children instead of trying to be nice to them. That way, when the terrorists "justifiably" try and kill you, no matter who is around, you might have chased all the children away and made them hate you already.
I object to your flaming of the OP for his desire to defend his nation.

I keep my politics out of my job. I was not wanting to respond to anything from Dem, but he keeps posting in my thread, despite my ignoring him. I will do whatever I am ordered to do, to the best of my ability. I want to win this war. Just because I believe that a certain car bombing was justified, relative to their cause, does not mean I am rooting for them to win or something.
Just remember that according to UCMJ, you are not obligated to obey any orders that are illegal. But you must obey all others.

Benning: the toughest training ground in the whole US military. And the training center for the airborne forces and a recruiting ground spec ops if you think you can handle that. But it is the second biggest army base in the continental US, Fort Sam Houston being the biggest. I did basic there and airborne training there. Good luck.

Just remember that according to UCMJ, you are not obligated to obey any orders that are illegal. But you must obey all others.

Benning: the toughest training ground in the whole US military. And the training center for the airborne forces and a recruiting ground spec ops if you think you can handle that. But it is the second biggest army base in the continental US, Fort Sam Houston being the biggest. I did basic there and airborne training there. Good luck.

Aye. My recruiter told me the same, which just means I'll have to get in shape. Once I do that, im solid ^_^

Well i guess illbe seeing you in Iraq in 2 months then.

In all seriousness good on you.
i might get round to it in the next 2-4 years before its to late.

Well, have fun. I'm sure you will do fine and just ignore what some idiots say. They're just still pissed because they were picked on in high school or something. Just listen to what the old timers say and you should have a good experience. Hell, I'm even looking into reenlisting. But I'll wait til the current CinC has moved on. :D

Just ignore what the anti-war fanatics say here.. they rant about how it was wrong and crap to go into Iraq (they are dead wrong). Then they scream about some draft (the only draft that is being pushed is by democrats themselves). There won't be a draft.

It is an honor for you to serve in the military. Be proud, and ignore the little half wits. :)

Just ignore what the anti-war fanatics say here.. they rant about how it was wrong and crap to go into Iraq (they are dead wrong). Then they scream about some draft (the only draft that is being pushed is by democrats themselves). There won't be a draft.

It is an honor for you to serve in the military. Be proud, and ignore the little half wits. :)

I dont nessecairaly support the war, but I keep politics out of my job, heh. I am proud, though.

You shouldn't. I am utterly unfit for the military, and I know it. My contribution to society will ramain in the biomedical field, where I can be of some use.

So, what, you're post college? I think Chellis is still in high school. I don't appreciate you're calling a young man who is willing to serve our country a sociopath. Quote you: "That type of lack of empathy pretty much defines a sociopath."
Are you just trying to undermine our soldiers morale before they may be sent to a warzone?
He seems to have his head on straight from what I have read. And its not your place to criticize our soldiers before they go of to defend us regardless of domestic political conflicts.
You want to do something then you go and protest outide the Whitehouse and tell the chickenhawks what you think, otherwise you lack the courage of your convictions.
The soldier trusts in the American people to decide what his actions will be.
I have a feeling you would have been one of the dispicable punks that spit on American soldiers returning Vietnam, (as if Vietnam was'nt enough). Oh, but wait, you lack the courage of your convictions!

When will people learn that soldiers are outside politics?

I object to your flaming of the OP for his desire to defend his nation.

I object to you accusing me of something I haven't done.

Try again.

So, what, you're post college? I think Chellis is still in high school. I don't appreciate you're calling a young man who is willing to serve our country a sociopath. Quote you: "That type of lack of empathy pretty much defines a sociopath."

If you would actually attempt to read what I have said, instead of what you want to see, you would know that I would not make such a comment about most soldiers. My comments are not directed at soldiers - whom I generally have nothing but respect for - but at Chellis specifically.

However, Chellis has made it very clear that he thinks a tactic which involves killing 20 innocent children to get at even one enemy soldier is perfectly justifiable. That is a lack of empathy.

Are you just trying to undermine our soldiers morale before they may be sent to a warzone?

Not in the least. I simply don't want to see someone who might murder 20 children because it means he kills one terrorist sent off to a warzone at all.

He seems to have his head on straight from what I have read. And its not your place to criticize our soldiers before they go of to defend us regardless of domestic political conflicts.

Soldiers are not above reprieve. If a soldier has done or said something that is worthy of critique, then there is nothing wrong with criticizing it. It has nothing to do with domestic political conflicts, but with Chellis' own philosophy - as he has personally stated.

You want to do something then you go and protest outide the Whitehouse and tell the chickenhawks what you think, otherwise you lack the courage of your convictions.

I should go protest outside the White House because I think one particular soldier shouldn't be sent into combat? How much sense does that make? Do you honestly think anyone in the White House even knows of Chellis?

The soldier trusts in the American people to decide what his actions will be.
I have a feeling you would have been one of the dispicable punks that spit on American soldiers returning Vietnam, (as if Vietnam was'nt enough). Oh, but wait, you lack the courage of your convictions!

And here you demonstrate that you haven't bothered to read anything I've written. Having a dispute with one soldier does not mean that I hold all of them in low regard. I am very supportive of our troops.

Try again.

As of 3:30 or so yesterday, I am a part of the California national guard. I ship to Fort Benning, Georgia, 27 Jun 06. My first weekend is next weekend, will probably get my uniform and everything right before that. I will be in the 1st Battalion - 185th Infantry Regiment(It may be 184th, Im confused about some renaming of things). I signed up as Eleven Bravo, Infantry. As of now, my pay-grade is only E-1 I believe, but if all goes well, I should be a PFC or so by the time I go to benning.

I made Body fat at MEPS, just barely. I have 20/20 eyesight, never knew before. I couldnt make out what my hearing tests meant, but I passed obviously. I got a 97 on my ASVAB. I will be getting a 10k kicker, half to be paid after my advanced training, half on my 3rd year anniversary with the guard.

Any comments?

Hey-I have no clever jokes for you. I can tell you take this seriously as evidenced by your efforts to improve yourself and be accepted-and want to say a few things- #1. Thank You.
#2. Best wishes.

You have my respect and gratitude.

So why don't you leave for Canada now? Why wait?

I've actualy looked into the process of doing so and it requires that I have much more money in my bank account. Besides if I leave who will run the under ground rail road when people are forcibly conscripted? (i.e. drafted)

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