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Okay please don't take this as an insult, PLEASE!!.

But I just got done reading the christian bible(Again) and I wonder does anyone here actually follow all the rules in it? In particular Leviticus, I mean wow that has a lot of really odd rules.

So does anyone follow the bible word for word, If so why?

No, thats not the point. The point is to tell people what to do, then do the opposite :-) j/k. Beats me, seems like it would be difficult, though. You sure don't have to to be a fantastic person, though!

No, thats not the point. The point is to tell people what to do, then do the opposite :-) j/k. Beats me, seems like it would be difficult, though. You sure don't have to to be a fantastic person, though!

I once met someone who really really tried to follow the bible but would often break a rule and go repent.... very funny......

What no one? Oh okay.... Maybe its against one of the rules Yup there it is "Don't answer threads that make-ith your lord look odd?"

i do

i do

Really? So??? Have you burned anybody recently?

What no one? Oh okay.... Maybe its against one of the rules Yup there it is "Don't answer threads that make-ith your lord look odd?"
It's the secrest 11th commandment, only visible by the light of the full moon. 'Thou shalt not taketh the piss, or I will rain down upon thee with great vengeance etc etc. ;)

Okay please don't take this as an insult, PLEASE!!.

But I just got done reading the christian bible(Again) and I wonder does anyone here actually follow all the rules in it? In particular Leviticus, I mean wow that has a lot of really odd rules.

So does anyone follow the bible word for word, If so why?

many of the Old Testament laws were written for the good of the tribes of israel...

EG, how to properly sacrifice a cow

Of course, the Ten Commandments are still practical.

Okay please don't take this as an insult, PLEASE!!.

But I just got done reading the christian bible(Again) and I wonder does anyone here actually follow all the rules in it? In particular Leviticus, I mean wow that has a lot of really odd rules.

So does anyone follow the bible word for word, If so why?

the reason for all those rules was to keep people pure. supposedly, the sacrifice of jesus helped to make all those rules obsolete

It's the secrest 11th commandment, only visible by the light of the full moon. 'Thou shalt not taketh the piss, or I will rain down upon thee with great vengeance etc etc. ;)

I actually have a list of commandments I made up, going up to 32 I think?

Let's see 12th commandment: "Thou shalt not wear Short-Pants on the Sabbath Day!:

Okay please don't take this as an insult, PLEASE!!.

But I just got done reading the christian bible(Again) and I wonder does anyone here actually follow all the rules in it? In particular Leviticus, I mean wow that has a lot of really odd rules.

So does anyone follow the bible word for word, If so why?

No. It's a bunch of hogwash.

the reason for all those rules was to keep people pure. supposedly, the sacrifice of jesus helped to make all those rules obsolete

There are A lot of arbitrary rules in the new testament too....

There are A lot of arbitrary rules in the new testament too....
Are you refering to the Letters to the Churches? And, no, I'm not a 'Everything must be taken literaly or you'll got ot T3h H3llz0rZ!111!' People.

the reason for all those rules was to keep people pure. supposedly, the sacrifice of jesus helped to make all those rules obsolete

yeah, Jesus brought a new covenant.

then again, he said to honor God's commandments and keep them holy (paraphrasing)

I actually have a list of commandments I made up, going up to 32 I think?

Let's see 12th commandment: "Thou shalt not wear Short-Pants on the Sabbath Day!:
Heh. I will now provide to the world, the General Rule of Commandments:

The 'n'th Commandment: Thou shalt not... thou shalt not... look, I'm sick of all these commandments, just don't do anything, ever, and we'll take it from there, mm'kay?

No, thats not the point. The point is to tell people what to do, then do the opposite :-) j/k. Beats me, seems like it would be difficult, though. You sure don't have to to be a fantastic person, though!

No they would be a self rightous arse I promise you

Okay please don't take this as an insult, PLEASE!!.

But I just got done reading the christian bible(Again) and I wonder does anyone here actually follow all the rules in it? In particular Leviticus, I mean wow that has a lot of really odd rules.

So does anyone follow the bible word for word, If so why?
I do not follow the bible word for word, but I am not atheist (per se), nor am I Christian. My official label would be "Agnostic Spiritualist".

I kinda stopped believing when I read Noah turned 600

I kinda stopped believing when I read Noah turned 600
Well, obviously, Noah was a vampire. That's why the dodos went extinct... he got hungry and needed a little snack, and then, just like that, he destroyed the dodos' chances of surviving totally and completely. :p

The archaic laws of the Old testament were written to purify the isrealites so that they might join God in the after life. However, when jesus came and died for us, he made all of those sacrificial laws obsolete. But if that is the case then why do we still read the Old Testament? Because the Old testament is the history of the religion, the cration, Adam and Eve, Moses, David, Job...

Plus, sometimes its fun to look back ansd make fun of the stupid crap our ancestors did to please God. "Eat meat on a Friday.... Stoned to Death"

I kinda stopped believing when I read Noah turned 600

Methuselah did it for me with his 960. Maybe it was 960 months not years; that would put Methuselah at 80 and Noah at 50, which seem reasonable.

One thing that needs to be realized is that one thing Jesus taught is that to have love for your fellow man is the most important thing. One reason why Jesus supposedly came was because the Jewish people were following laws of dogma so closely that they were forgetting the original intent of gods word.

Not to mention that there have been so many alterations to the bible(over 4000 different cersions if I am correct), and so much political scheming behind these alterations that it is not surprising that many of the laws or rituals that modern Christians follow today have been horribly distorted.

(http://www.rotten.com/library/religion/bible/historical-construction/ for further information on this issue)

The archaic laws of the Old testament were written to purify the isrealites so that they might join God in the after life. However, when jesus came and died for us, he made all of those sacrificial laws obsolete. But if that is the case then why do we still read the Old Testament? Because the Old testament is the history of the religion, the cration, Adam and Eve, Moses, David, Job...

Plus, sometimes its fun to look back ansd make fun of the stupid crap our ancestors did to please God. "Eat meat on a Friday.... Stoned to Death"
Do we make fun of Job. there's a story that has a real old testament god in it.
There's no love in that relationship.

Leviticus is used most often as a way to persecute minorities, mostly gays and women but when you point out the hypocracy of picking and choosing your rules rabid Christians (as opposed to the reasonable ones) always have a really good reason why picking the laws you like is OK.

as a Pagan it's all pap to me but if you get something out of it that doesn't involve burning me at a stake then good luck to you.

damn! alot of atheists here, at least i know i am amoung friends :)

I feel alone now :(

anyway, I believe and read the bible, i'm a pk(pastor's kid) so i know a majority of it.

I believe that the old testement laws,no including the 10 commandments, have pretty much passed away and become archaic because when Jesus came, he fullfiled them so there was no more need for things, such as a sacrifical lamb. I also believe that the 10 commandments have a pratical value in today's society, becuase they give people rules to follow and guidelines on how best to help your fellow man.

I feel alone now :(

anyway, I believe and read the bible, i'm a pk(pastor's kid) so i know a majority of it.

I believe that the old testement laws,no including the 10 commandments, have pretty much passed away and become archaic because when Jesus came, he fullfiled them so there was no more need for things, such as a sacrifical lamb. I also believe that the 10 commandments have a pratical value in today's society, becuase they give people rules to follow and guidelines on how best to help your fellow man.
And why were the commandments not thrown out with the rest ?

damn! alot of atheists here, at least i know i am amoung friends :)
Well some of us are agnostic or just "not theist" but as with other religions we have become used to being minimized

No. It's a bunch of hogwash.

Totally agree with ya

Okay please don't take this as an insult, PLEASE!!.

But I just got done reading the christian bible(Again) and I wonder does anyone here actually follow all the rules in it? In particular Leviticus, I mean wow that has a lot of really odd rules.

So does anyone follow the bible word for word, If so why?
No one is expected to follow the letter of the law. According to Christian theology, the law was instituted to convict men of their inability to "work their way to heaven." With the coming of the Messiah ( Jesus Christ ), the law was fulfilled through him. By accepting him, an individual is declared justified ( or righteous ) and thus does not have to fulfill the Old Testament law.

Lawyer: "You must love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself."

Jesus: "You have answered correctly; do this and you will live."

The first time I opened a bible(two days ago), I found two dollar bills on page 342. I really should have read it, might be a sign, but I dont want to be a part of any religion that tries to bribe me.

The first time I opened a bible(two days ago), I found two dollar bills on page 342. I really should have read it, might be a sign, but I dont want to be a part of any religion that tries to bribe me.
Lol (true story) a friend of mines brother hid some condoms in there and forgot them when he moved out

after a bible study class I was incredulous (just read through song of solomon)

I was going to show him cause he did not beleive me ... guess where the condoms were lol

No. Tell me.


The Old Testament, especially Leviticus, is written for Jews of the Jewish religion. Your title says: The Christian Bible, though...so what's your question?

For those that understand, there is no necesary explanation. For those who refuse to understand, there is no possible explanation.

GOD bless!

all u have to do is know wether r not wat u r doing is glorifying god or not. some things u just cant do with the big red words that r reapeted ova and ova agin. some things have changed with the times so its kinda like u have to know if its right or not :fluffle:

Okay please don't take this as an insult, PLEASE!!.

But I just got done reading the christian bible(Again) and I wonder does anyone here actually follow all the rules in it? In particular Leviticus, I mean wow that has a lot of really odd rules.

So does anyone follow the bible word for word, If so why?

It was commonly considered that it was actually impossible to observe ALL the Levitical 'law', which is why there is so much material about how your wrongdoings could be ameliorated.

For a Christian to try to follow Levitical law, without belief in the sacrificial atonement, is ludicrous.

But then - most 'christians' follow a fake Ten Commandments, anyway...

It was commonly considered that it was actually impossible to observe ALL the Levitical 'law', which is why there is so much material about how your wrongdoings could be ameliorated.

For a Christian to try to follow Levitical law, without belief in the sacrificial atonement, is ludicrous.

But then - most 'christians' follow a fake Ten Commandments, anyway...
Can I sacrafice my gunipig?

Can I sacrafice my gunipig?

Yeah... go for it. Don't know if it will do you any good, though. :)

Yeah... go for it. Don't know if it will do you any good, though. :)
Damn too late!

Levitical laws are no longer needed; everything is made 'clean' in the blood of Christ. Christ was the final sacrifice to attone for all sins to be commited. They did do a wonderful job of keeping Israel healthy, though...
Except for the fact that anyone who said "OH MY GOD!" or refused to follow directions was smited(sp?) where they stood, or had a chasm open up under them and all their family.:O
It worked, though...:D

Which part of the bible are you supposed to follow? The old or the new? Or how about the parts that were cut out? Do you sacrifice your best lamb or you favorite child?

I'm not about to believe in all of that garbage. I believe in some kind of God, sure. Doesn't mean I have to like him. The only parts of the Bible which I would deem useful at all are the gospels (Matt., Mark, Luke, John) And Revelation.

Over the years I've grown to hate the religion more and more, as well as what it is doing to today's society. I'm probably going to get flamed for that, but oh well. I have a right not to have my life controlled by Jesus freaks. Theocracy of all kinds does not work.

Also: To anyone who feels like trashing me for this... :upyours:

Levitical laws are no longer needed; everything is made 'clean' in the blood of Christ. Christ was the final sacrifice to attone for all sins to be commited. They did do a wonderful job of keeping Israel healthy, though...
Except for the fact that anyone who said "OH MY GOD!" or refused to follow directions was smited(sp?) where they stood, or had a chasm open up under them and all their family.:O
It worked, though...:D

the bible doesnt say you cant say "OH MY GOD!"

If anyone were able to follow the precepts of at least the New Testament word for word, they would be divine or at least a saint on the order of John the Baptist, whom Christ Himself called 'the greatest of all the children of men'.

Christ Himself knows that those with the best intentions often fail at keeping the precepts of the Law. The Fathers of the early Church - pre-Schism - deliberated on how best to interpret the more figurative passages of New Testament Scripture once there was a canon accepted as such by the Ecumenical Councils. For example: one does not literally cut off one's hand or pluck out one's eye to avoid falling into sinful habits -- That means cutting off those associations that lead one into them.... and so on.

If anyone were able to follow the precepts of at least the New Testament word for word, they would be divine or at least a saint on the order of John the Baptist, whom Christ Himself called 'the greatest of all the children of men'.

Christ Himself knows that those with the best intentions often fail at keeping the precepts of the Law. The Fathers of the early Church - pre-Schism - deliberated on how best to interpret the more figurative passages of New Testament Scripture once there was a canon accepted as such by the Ecumenical Councils. For example: one does not literally cut off one's hand or pluck out one's eye to avoid falling into sinful habits -- That means cutting off those associations that lead one into them.... and so on.

It always amuses me how Christians claim to live according to the law, but will accept a less-painful version for the bits THEY don't like, while still claiming the same strength of condemnation for the bits they think other people should have to conform to...

I won't use this as a comment to support the Christians, but perhaps the Bible does have strange rules. On the same note, American states have strange laws that still exist. Such as, for one, it is illegal to give or receive oral sex. Does anyone care about such a law? No. Does that make everyone in California a criminal? No.

And I was disappointed in the poll. It assumed that either everyone in this world is Christian or atheist.

Grave, you don't really think it means to cut off your body parts? You're just messin' with that guy and it’s a mean thing, for all you know, he’s got a straight razor in his pocket! :eek: :p

As the believers are the body of the church, and the church is the bride of Christ, and Christ is the right hand of God, and the Earth is his foot stool, etc., I think we can understand that we are the body symbolisms involved.

With that in mind, we can again ask ourselves what it means to have our own right hands (our best friends) our eyes - more friends, who keep us in touch in our social world etc., But if they make us sin, we are to cut it off, to separate ourselves from those that make us sin, even if they are a part of our 'body.' ... To argue otherwise is to pretend that Jesus meant he was going to rebuild Herods temple in 3 days.

Quoting LazyHippies
the bible doesnt say you cant say "OH MY GOD!"

The Bible does. It says "Thou shalt not take the Lord's name in vain."

If you say "OH MY GOD" in a situation where you are not directly addressing the Christian God, should He exist, then it is taking it in vain.

Grave, you don't really think it means to cut off your body parts? You're just messin' with that guy and it’s a mean thing, for all you know, he’s got a straight razor in his pocket! :eek: :p

As the believers are the body of the church, and the church is the bride of Christ, and Christ is the right hand of God, and the Earth is his foot stool, etc., I think we can understand that we are the body symbolisms involved.

With that in mind, we can again ask ourselves what it means to have our own right hands (our best friends) our eyes - more friends, who keep us in touch in our social world etc., But if they make us sin, we are to cut it off, to separate ourselves from those that make us sin, even if they are a part of our 'body.' ... To argue otherwise is to pretend that Jesus meant he was going to rebuild Herods temple in 3 days.

Do I really think that Jesus said anything about cutting off body parts? Well - first I'd have to debate the reality of Jesus, and the reality of the story told in the bible... but, that's not why we are here...

My point is that if Jesus says homosexuals are bad, the Christian flag is waved on that behalf, and it is taken as gospel (unintentional pun, I guess). Yet, if Jesus says pop out your eyeballs, well, OBVIOUSLY that must be a metaphor - and yet, we are talking about a time when such punishments MIGHT be meted out for wrongdoing... and the Jesus story would not be stretching TOO FAR to suggest that the truly zealous might punish themselves in such a manner.

My problem with this bread-and-water version of Christian philosophy, is that it is dishonest. It is claiming to believe the inerrant word of God, and then changing the 'word of god' when the ramifications are unpleasant... or, in the case of the un-rebuilt temple, proved to be untrue.

If you can accept that the temple is a metaphor, and that Jesus' inspiring self-mortification is metaphor, it is dishonest to not accept that the crucifixion and resurrection story might also be metaphor.

And yet, the Christian movement teaches that as though there were evidence... as though it were indisputable fact... and yet STILL tries to weasel out of the less attractive aspects of the faith.

The Bible does. It says "Thou shalt not take the Lord's name in vain."

If you say "OH MY GOD" in a situation where you are not directly addressing the Christian God, should He exist, then it is taking it in vain.

'In vain', perhaps... but that isn't 'his' name...

In context, it is. After all, how many Christians call their god 'Elohim'?

If you can accept that the temple is a metaphor, and that Jesus' inspiring self-mortification is metaphor, it is dishonest to not accept that the crucifixion and resurrection story might also be metaphor.


The resurrection story a metaphor? Since they didn't understand the temple metaphor when he said it, but had to explain it later ~ nor did they understand the Jonah comment when he made it ~ until he explained it again later … what then would make us think they would 'get' the resurrection metaphor until he came again later to explain it to them, they wouldn't have 'gotten it' otherwise (sounds like maybe you have found, discovered a proof that he must have come back or else we would never have heard of it! :eek: :D ) ....

But that's all besides the point, some poor milk and bread Christian is going to hurt himself because he thinks now that he just needs just more faith to start cutting off body parts... You shouldn't do that.

Aw, never mind. I warned them in this thread already, they'll believe what they want to believe... go for it.


*waits with a sponge and tourniquet*



lol

The Bible does. It says "Thou shalt not take the Lord's name in vain."

If you say "OH MY GOD" in a situation where you are not directly addressing the Christian God, should He exist, then it is taking it in vain.

Right, it says you should not take his name in vain, but 'God' is not God's name. Therefore, saying OH MY GOD is not using his name in vain, in fact it is not using his name at all. God's name is the great mystery known as the tetragrammaton. God's name as it appears in the bible is YHVH or YHWH. Most scholars believe the original pronunciation is Yahweh, although Yehowah (Jehova) is probably the best known pronunciation. Regardless of how you choose to pronounce it, the fact remains that 'God' is not God's name. therefore you are free to use the word 'God' as you wish without violating the third commandment (although I would advise against the phrase God damnit for different reasons).

The resurrection story a metaphor? Since they didn't understand the temple metaphor when he said it, but had to explain it later ~ nor did they understand the Jonah comment when he made it ~ until he explained it again later … what then would make us think they would 'get' the resurrection metaphor until he came again later to explain it to them, they wouldn't have 'gotten it' otherwise (sounds like maybe you have found, discovered a proof that he must have come back or else we would never have heard of it! :eek: :D ) ....

But that's all besides the point, some poor milk and bread Christian is going to hurt himself because he thinks now that he just needs just more faith to start cutting off body parts... You shouldn't do that.

Aw, never mind. I warned them in this thread already, they'll believe what they want to believe... go for it.


*waits with a sponge and tourniquet*



lol

It is somewhat comic... since I don't honestly believe MY scepticism is going to inspire self-destruction. On the contrary, it seems to require a very dedicated faith to travel THAT far down that path.... Luther, for example, who was an affirmed self-mortifier.

Regarding the 'resurrection' metaphor... I'm not saying this is one of Jesus' own metaphors... for all I know, Jesus and Mary Magdalene ran off to Egypt and produced a score of happy babies... I have no reason to believe the scriptural version of the crucifixion and resurrection. To me, THAT makes more sense if you consider it metaphor.