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Well there have been many realy stonker movies made and unfortunatly some have been related to my favourite topic WWII.

Some good movies have been made to celebrate and condemn this War that effected the World.Weve all debated the best.

But what is the Worst?
Ive always had a Hatred for "At War With the Army"
staring Jerry (Lee?) Lewis and Dean Martin(?) its so had to tell who it was after i watched it.
I stayed up til 2 to start the video tape and taped over some really interesting stuff and then i watch this crap...-for shame.

The Navy gets the Gravy but the Army gets the beans!"

The thing was meant to be a Comedy but it made me sick

anyway that was 5 years ago.

then i saw escape from Athena
Sonny Bono-just No

Your thoughts on my pics and what you would pick?

PEARL HARBOR

why would someone take such and even and destroy it with love story? Note to directors and screen writers, make it action or romance BOTH DOES NOT WORK.

The Thin Red Line really ticked me off...

...I've never liked the Guns of Navarone, or Force 10 from Navarone...

...other than that, most of 'em that I've seen have at least been decent.

My favorite is still Enemy at the Gates.

PEARL HARBOR

why would someone take such and even and destroy it with love story? Note to directors and screen writers, make it action or romance BOTH DOES NOT WORK.

Yeah, I read somewhere that when they made that flick a guy who had actually been there saw it. He was like, "it's good that people get to know about these things, but what the hell is all this romantic s*it?!"
It appears, of course, that noone would go see it if there isn't some overly tender moments in there, even if it actually doesn't fit in a bit.

!!!???

PEARL HARBOR

why would someone take such and even and destroy it with love story? Note to directors and screen writers, make it action or romance BOTH DOES NOT WORK.

That movie's a disgrace to the US forces that fought the war! Basically they implanted a romantic heart into a WWII body.

Battle of the Bulge.

Or that one that Noel Coward (the draft dodging pansy) made about the Navy. I'll look it up.

Edit: "In Which We Serve". Should have shot the fucker instead.

Funny how last week there was a thread about favorite WWII movies and now it's the complete opposite.

well where do I start. Most of the films have been made by the Americans such as ATTACK with Jack Palance, PEARL HARBOUR, STARSHIP TROOPERS omg. There was the second battle of the bulge film about the defenders of Bastogne. But PEARL HARBOUR has to be one of the worst, good action scenes involving the attacks and the leading lady but the plot if there was one smelt worse than rotten fruit.

ANY way - In Which We Serve is based on a true story about the Destroyer HMS Kelly which was commanded by one of Britains greatest wartime commanders Lord Louis Mountbatten, although the film was made for properganda purposes to show the indomitable nature of the British people. And he didn't dodge the draft, he joined the navy of his own free will.

errrr since when was starship troopers a WW2 film?
personally i think the thin red line was pretty bad

Dosn't chage the fact it was crap-it just wasn't WW2 crap.

"Thin Red Line" or "Wake Island".

ANY way - In Which We Serve is based on a true story about the Destroyer HMS Kelly which was commanded by one of Britains greatest wartime commanders Lord Louis Mountbatten, although the film was made for properganda purposes to show the indomitable nature of the British people. And he didn't dodge the draft, he joined the navy of his own free will.

Noel Coward was never in the RN you twat. I have nothing but respect for the brave fighting men of the Royal Navy, and I would buy any true navy man a drink whenever I met him.

That said "In which we serve" was an awful film starring coward extra-ordinaire Noel "my name is somewhat ironic because I was an appeasement weasel" Coward. My comments had nothing to do with Lord Louis "brave in the wardroom" Mountbatten.

The Thin Red Line, Enemy at the Gates, and Pearl Harbour are all tied for the worst WW2 movie.... ever.

Well, since Pearl Harbor has already been lambasted repeatedly, I'm going to say U-571. It wasn't bad from a movie making perspective, but it's said to be a true story about a bunch of American navy personel who steal an enigma machine. There was such a story, but it was the British that performed the feat. Are we really so xenophobic as a nation that we can't even admit that other nations, even our closest allies, are capable of heroism?

Hell, America hadn't even entered the war when those events took place.

Pearl Harbour, no doubt. As said before, romance and actions can't be joined in one good movie.

PEARL HARBOR

why would someone take such and even and destroy it with love story? Note to directors and screen writers, make it action or romance BOTH DOES NOT WORK.

That was not a love story. That would require there to be a story and acting involved.

The Thin Red Line, Enemy at the Gates, and Pearl Harbour are all tied for the worst WW2 movie.... ever.

I rather liked enemy at the gates. Probably because it's so rare to see a WWII movie that isn't bribed into offering us two hours of nationalistic propaganda in exchange for our military footing the special effects bill.

I rather liked enemy at the gates. Probably because it's so rare to see a WWII movie that isn't bribed into offering us two hours of nationalistic propaganda in exchange for our military footing the special effects bill.

That doesnt excuse stupid love story sub plot, historical innacuracies, bad acting, bad story, bad directing, etc etc. I mean... that movie literally made me sick to my stomach watching it. Now if you want to see a good movie in the eastern theater rent Stalingrad. It will rock your fucking socks off.

...bad acting...

You mean Stalingrad isn't in the Thames estuary? o_O

You mean Stalingrad isn't in the Thames estuary? o_O

Im going to pretend to not have read that. Ok, a WWII film with good acting. Merry Christmans Mr. Lawrence. Takes place from the perspective of British prisoners in a Japanese prisoner of war camp. And Enemy at the Gates is still a steaming pile of shit.

rent Stalingrad.
If your talking about the German movie Stalingrad, I agree. I didn't like the Hollywood one. It was about unrealistic personal heroics and relations. The German language one is about everyone dying, usually in agony. Much more realistic.

If your talking about the German movie Stalingrad, I agree. I didn't like the Hollywood one. It was about unrealistic personal heroics and relations. The German language one is about everyone dying, usually in agony. Much more realistic.

Yes thats the one I was referring to.

Well, since Pearl Harbor has already been lambasted repeatedly, I'm going to say U-571. It wasn't bad from a movie making perspective, but it's said to be a true story about a bunch of American navy personel who steal an enigma machine. There was such a story, but it was the British that performed the feat.
Totally agreed. Taking historic events and distorting them is bad enough, but stealing the laurels is even worse. Besides, the flick is overly dramatized, they just overdid it. It contains just about everything that could go wrong and still be overcome and often reminds me of the time-honored "car wont start"-scene that is a staple for horror films.

U-571 inacurate and anoying. Closly followed by Pearl habour for the same reasons

Any WW2 film made during the war in America would have to rank in the worst... I don't know if anyone has seen the John Wayne one from around 1943, but they are such blatant propaganda pieces that acting, sets, plotline, is almost completely forgotten while depicting the killing of hundreds of idiotic Japanese/Germans who seem to do things like run into machine gun nests yelling, assuring either victory or heroic martyrdom for the Americans.

Any WW2 film made during the war in America would have to rank in the worst... I don't know if anyone has seen the John Wayne one from around 1943, but they are such blatant propaganda pieces that acting, sets, plotline, is almost completely forgotten while depicting the killing of hundreds of idiotic Japanese/Germans who seem to do things like run into machine gun nests yelling, assuring either victory or heroic martyrdom for the Americans.

The Japanese actually did run into machine gun nests screaming. You know... Bonzai! charges...

U-571 inacurate and anoying.

YES, YES AND YES. In my opinion the sheer arrogance to take a heroic and hard-fought event like the taking of the Enigma machine from a U-boat by the BRITISH and then pass it off an a good ol' American jaunt in the ocean is utterly astoundingly and so very wrong and shameful. :mad:

Closly followed by Pearl habour

Again, yes. Shockingly bad.

...I've never liked the Guns of Navarone, or Force 10 from Navarone...



I've read the books.

Do the movies suffer from the 'movies made from books' syndrome?

My vote goes to Windtalkers, seriously they shoot at a random direction and then 3 japanese guys fall over dead in their eagerness to be shoot by americans. And thankfully i realised that Pearl Harbor was a piece of shit before I saw it so I spared myself from seing what seems to be among the worst movies ever.

For comedy value "Churchilll: The Hollywood years" was ok but the only thing that akes it average was that Enfield, Reeves & Mortimer, Rick Mayall and the guys from "League of Gentlemen" were in it

Worst WWII movie eh... Pearl Harbor sucked, Hart's War was pretty lame as well in my opinion. Windtalkers wasn't too good either, most Nicolas Cage movies aren't the good....

But one of the best would be Enemy At The Gates! Can't believe that was nominated for a "worst". That movie didn't make either side look like the good guy, showed you how dicked up both sides were and gave a sniper to root for through the fight... Good stuff, good stuff...

Saving Private Ryan I think was the direst film I have ever wasted hours and hours watching. Just thinking about it makes me feel unwell.

Saving Private Ryan was a kick ass movie, except for that one translator guy, I want to kick the crap outta him, but other than him, the movie was cool, and gory, lots and lots of blood, gore, violence, cursing, all the stuff that makes good American movies great! :D

For connoiseurs only: Die Brucke. A anti warmovie about the last days of WWII and a small groop of H.jugend boys converted to Whermachtsoldiers and their mission to hold a unimportant bridge against mature US troops. one of the best ever.

U-572 and, together with the John Wayne films, the worst.

Padenie Berlina (The Fall of Berlin) (1950) by Mikhail Chiaureli -- a truly outrageous piece of Stalinist propaganda, and I've seen some.

Among the Western films I'd like to choose U-571 -- it's blatantly inaccurate.

Bill Dunn, the 1st American Ace of WWII (Flew w/ No. 71 Eagle Squadron in the RAF) wrote a bit about a movie called "Eagle Squadron" in his book "Fighter Pilot." Some Hollywood types make a movie about the whole Eagle Squadron thing, and so at the London premiere, all of these American pilots flying for the RAF are invited. Anyways, after about ten minutes of watching this god-awful film who's plot was a bunch of BS, the pilots started quiety slipping out. Supposedly, when the film was done and the lights came on, none of the pilots where still in the theater!
Anyway, I haven't seen it, and probably won't but it is a funny story. Funnier when you read it in his book.
My version wasn't even funny at all, come to think of it. Oh well.

Bad: Pearl Harbor (Nice FX, bad storytelling = romantic war crap)
Good: Tora! Tora! Tora!

Bad: Saving Private Ryan (The first 30mins rock. The rest is Forrest Gump in Europe. Don't like the portrayal of "the enemy" and all those morals Spielberg implanted in that movie. I mean, what the hell happened in War of the Worlds again...?)
Good: Band of Brothers (although also made by Run Forrest! & Spielberg)

Bad: U-571. WTF! That one was really annoying! Only because a German musician costarring in a German movie makes a good U-Boat flic, it doesn't mean that it works as well with a crazy story with Americans...
Good: Das Boot. (Even Duell im Atlantik - The Enemy Below with Robert Mitchum and Curd Jürgens is a lot better than U-571)

The Devil's General (Another Curd Jürgens movie in which he plays a conscious General of the Luftwaffe)

Other good ones & favorites: Die Brücke, A Bridge Too Far, Where Eagles Dare, The Big Red 1, Stalingrad, The Longest Day (saw it colorized last week - nice!), and I actually liked The Thin Red Line for its richness in contrast between the world and the war (the books lies here and waits to be finished).
The Bunker (some horrormovie set in - yeah, a bunker during WK2).

No matter how many good movies you've watched, it's always the really bad ones that get stuck in mind. That is annoying!

Windtalkers takes the cake in this category. The concept was just so stupid I couldnt even watch the movie properly. Indians, recruited for their very rare language, are placed on the front line with the infantry grunts. They are there to relay bomb coordinates to the ships without the enemy being able to decipher what they are saying. Why? The amount of time it took between the radio call and the shells hitting the ground was seconds. There is simply no need for that kind of complicated encryption on the tactical level.

The real windtalkers were indians used to relay messages that were strategic in value. Messages that actually had importance at the general staff level. Though that wouldnt make a very entertaining movie. All you would get are a bunch of natives huddled in a communication center. Instead, we got the indians as clueless soldiers who had to be babysat by Nicholas Cage and Christian Slater. Throw in the obligatory character who hates indians at first, picks on them at every corner, only to be saved by one later on in the film, making him change his attitude altogether. Very original.

The whole time watching this movie I expected Cage's character to rip off his uniform to reveal a superman outfit. He carries around a thompson which has infinite ammo, with the accuracy rate of a laser beam, knocking out Japanese as if they were taking a dive for some extra cash. No need for windtalkers, just land mr. invincible on the beach and let him take out the whole battalion by himself.

Horrible movie.

That said "In which we serve" was an awful film starring coward extra-ordinaire Noel "my name is somewhat ironic because I was an appeasement weasel" Coward.

Correct me if I'm wrong here but Coward was part of ENSA* and did spy work in Paris for the British during WWII, no? Are you just placing too much emphasis on the lyrics of Don't Let's Be Beastly to the Germans?

If you want to hurl opprobrium at some British humourist during WWII, then that poor fool PG Wodehouse should be at the top of the list.


* Every Night Something Awful

Merry Christmans Mr. Lawrence. Takes place from the perspective of British prisoners in a Japanese prisoner of war camp.

The problem with films like that, and even more so Bridge On The River Kwai, and to a lesser extent Empire Of The Sun is that they shirk from showing how horrific the Japanese POW camps actually were.

Okay, not the worst by any means, but down there because it's greatly overrated: Saving Private Ryan. I really could not stand that movie - it tried to be too real while leaving in too much fake. The premise is a bunch of guys going to save one guy, which I will inevitably not like. They have two truly sweet battle scenes in the movie, one of which is stupid as hell, because they could have just let the Germans start crossing the bridge and then blown it, thus taking out one tank and a bunch of people off the bat, not to mention having to be in some cramped city with no ammo because the pussy wouldn't bring it. Speaking of which, the movie kills off the awesome sniper, but not the lollygagging pussy. What the fuck? That's not even real. That German that killed the Hebrew Hammer would have blown his fucking head off coming down the stairs. As if he would have waited long enough to notice, "Oh, this guy's a little pussy faggot, I'll let him live." Besides, the Hebrew Hammer would have kicked the Nazi's ass, anyway. And, worst of all, after killing off the entire force sent to save Private Ryan save the candy-ass: they let Matt Damon live. Bullshit! Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit! Fuck Matt Damon! This movie was supposed to be good. Damn hi...

[At this point, Aldranin's heart implodes and he is rushed to the E.R. for an emergency transplant, available to he, alone, because he's so cool and all. He'll be back later.]

OH MY GOD I HATE PEARL HARBOR SO FREAKING MUCH

You can't convert Pearl Harbor into a love story! IT DOESN'T WORK!

Yeah, the visual effects were amazing, but, I mean, come on! There were so many gross inaccuracies. Like when they show all the Japanese ships sailing within spitting distance of each other... you don't put 6 big fleet carriers a couple hundred feet away from each other! A well-placed spread of torpedoes from a submarine would have knocked them all out. In actuality, the Japanese attack fleet was spread over about a hundred miles, because it was simply that big.

Then you've got the absolutely stupid depiction of the Doolittle (sp?) Raid... yeah, take a bunch of fighter pilots and make them fly bombers. The controls of the two are as different as night and day, but we can make them do it. ARGH! And they have the money to make all these amazing special effects, yet they have the B-25s taking off of a modern nuclear aircraft carrier... I don't even want to comment on that, because they did it with the Japanese planes as well. Then they show all of the bombers flying over Tokyo... but they actually spread out and hit 5 or 6 cities to make it seem like it was a massive bombing campaign.

IMO, one of the most horrible WWII movie ever to be produced. And there are some girls I know who absolutely love this movie and it makes me SICK. Tora! Tora! Tora! is infinitely better despite having been made 20 or 30 years earlier.

I don't know if i'm allowed post in here as my name is not Eva but i'll go ahead anyway.

I saw Windtalkers last night and it was soooooo bad, i mean just terrible.
Question: Are Americans so patriotic that they think everyone else in war is bad but them?

I mean it missed the point completely
And it was historically in accurate in places

Also, in war films, there is always one/two guy(s) who basically win the battle themselves.
What if we got all these "super" men together in one platoon?
Most would survive, and any that would die would only do so at the end in some sort of traumatic moment.
Ant than we wouldn't need all the hundreds of thousands of other soldiers, just 100 Nicholas Cage type soldiers. It would be great

Also, in war films, there is always one/two guy(s) who basically win the battle themselves.
What if we got all these "super" men together in one platoon?

...see also The Dirty Dozen.

U-571 is the worst IMO, hands down. My high school history teacher took us to see it for class, and after it he swore he'd never see a movie with me again cuz I went off about it. Geez, a freakin' depth charge goes off no more than 50 ft. away from the sub, and all it does is break the glass on a gauge! How much crap is that!

Tora! Tora! Tora! is infinitely better despite having been made 20 or 30 years earlier.

I wasn't a big fan. I hear that thrown around a lot as the best war movie ever, but I truly didn't jump out of my seat saying, "God, damn, that was a sweet movie." It just wasn't that entertaining. It couldn't figure out whether it wanted to be a history lesson or a war movie or a massive crock of shit implying the Jap sneak attack was an accident. Not a fan of that movie.

...see also The Dirty Dozen.

excellent, with more suggestions like this i will be able to build an unstoppable army for world domination, ha ha ha ha h........

i mean does anyone have more suggestions for reasons nothing to do with me and world domination

Saving Ryan's Privates - uh yeah... this is a parody, but it is still awful, thus making it the worse movie.

I'm not sure about others...but can I vote for Gallipoli as the worst movie for WWI? I hated it! It's so bad...our teacher made us watch it in grade 10 Canadian History.

Saving Ryan's Privates - uh yeah... this is a parody, but it is still awful, thus making it the worse movie.

I'm not sure about others...but can I vote for Gallipoli as the worst movie for WWI? I hated it! It's so bad...our teacher made us watch it in grade 10 Canadian History.

Canadian History... that's where they teach you how the Canadians burned down the White House, right? I would go ahead and assume that most movies one watches in such a class are going to suck.

Canadian History... that's where they teach you how the Canadians burned down the White House, right? I would go ahead and assume that most movies one watches in such a class are going to suck.
It seems you're thinking of pre-conferate history.

That is taught in earlier years, in grade 7 and 8. It's part of the Ancient and early Canadian history classes.

The history class in high school is confederate and post.

Most of the movies were fine. The one bad one, Gallipoli is a Hollywood production, which really sucks.

Platoon.

It seems you're thinking of pre-conferate history.

That is taught in earlier years, in grade 7 and 8. It's part of the Ancient and early Canadian history classes.

Am I understanding this correctly? 1814 is considered 'Ancient' history in Canada? If so, then that old chestnut about the nation having too much geography and not enough history appears to be true.

Platoon.

Yeah. That is a pretty bad World War II movie. 'Historically inaccurate' hardly covers it.

It seems you're thinking of pre-conferate history.

That is taught in earlier years, in grade 7 and 8. It's part of the Ancient and early Canadian history classes.

The history class in high school is confederate and post.

Most of the movies were fine. The one bad one, Gallipoli is a Hollywood production, which really sucks.

Am I understanding this correctly? They actually do teach you that the Canadians burned down the White House?

Yeah. That is a pretty bad World War II movie. 'Historically inaccurate' hardly covers it.
That's what I thought. As well, the enemy had the worst German accents I'd ever heard.

I'm not sure about others...but can I vote for Gallipoli as the worst movie for WWI? I hated it! It's so bad...our teacher made us watch it in grade 10 Canadian History. Wait... are you talking about the Peter Weir film, with Mel Gibson??? :confused:

...see also The Dirty Dozen. They weren't supermen, most of them were pretty inept except for Charles Bronson, Lee Marvin (duh) and Awesome Black Man (whose name I have forgotten).

Here's pretty much how their strategy works...

Lee Marvin: Ok, we've trapped the nazis and their wives in that bunker. Here's the plan... Black man, you do everything. Everybody else, sit back and watch.

They weren't supermen, most of them were pretty inept except for Charles Bronson, Lee Marvin (duh) and Awesome Black Man (whose name I have forgotten).

My point was that the cunning plan fails.

well, saving private ryan is a great movie from a cinematic poin of view but from a plot outlook its just a pile of crap. the opening scenes of D-day were amazing but that was about it. to be honest it didn't really out do 'the longest day' like it was probably supposed to. if your looking for an accurate representation of D-day watch 'he longes day' or read the book bt if your just looking for an hours and a half of mindblowing special effects and some awsomly bad characters then watch 'saving private ryan'

Windtalkers takes the cake in this category. The concept was just so stupid I couldnt even watch the movie properly. Indians, recruited for their very rare language, are placed on the front line with the infantry grunts. They are there to relay bomb coordinates to the ships without the enemy being able to decipher what they are saying. Why? The amount of time it took between the radio call and the shells hitting the ground was seconds. There is simply no need for that kind of complicated encryption on the tactical level.
Horrible movie.

I watched that film with my mom (who shouts adivce to characters on the screen, BTW). She did not beleive me when I told her that Nick Cage's job was to give the Navajo a 230 gr .45 ACP headache if it looked like the soldiers of Dai Nippon were going to overrun thier position.

VERY Horrible movie

A bit off topic, but did anyone else think that the film 'Antoine Fisher' was a little 'dark?' :)

yeah windtalkers has to be the worst WW2 film ever, one name sums it up

Nicholas Cage :headbang:

U-571 inacurate and anoying.

Finally, somebosy mentioned that one. It even caused a furore in the UK parliament because of it's falsification of history.

I'm not sure about others...but can I vote for Gallipoli as the worst movie for WWI? I hated it! It's so bad...our teacher made us watch it in grade 10 Canadian History.

Do you not like Australian accents or Mel Gibson? That movie was an accurate depiction of the experience of the ANZACs.

Monty Pythons' "the killer joke" segment.

"Worst World War II movie Eva!!!1!!"

I vote for "Battle of the Bulge" with Henry Fonda. If you believed this movie, Henry Fonda's character single-handedly turned the tide of the battle and saved Europe by peering into the driver's compartment of one of the new German Tiger tanks! :rolleyes:

That movie's a disgrace to the US forces that fought the war! Basically they implanted a romantic heart into a WWII body.

Whaaa you don't belive a bomber can fly out of the sky, straff and kill a squad of soldiers without hitting friendlies?!?!?! :p

U-571 is the worst IMO, hands down. My high school history teacher took us to see it for class, and after it he swore he'd never see a movie with me again cuz I went off about it. Geez, a freakin' depth charge goes off no more than 50 ft. away from the sub, and all it does is break the glass on a gauge! How much crap is that!
That, my friend, is German U-Boat technology :D:D:D That gauge-glass was imported from somewhere else!

No, seriously, the movie sucked cause the storyline was to frigging thin and just stupid, stupid, stupid.

Monty Pythons' "the killer joke" segment.

BLASPHEMER!

U-571, Pearl Harbour, Windtalkers (they meant to include a marine who stole Japanese gold teeth - but their military advisors said no...) - actually most produce from the US has a tendency to glorify it all.
I would also name that prisoner movie with the guy who throws the baseball against the wall and they end up storming this castle later. That was horrible.

Then there was one when some POWs captured a German train...or was that the same? They couldn't even find Germans to play the Germans.

And pretty much everything made during the war and in the 5 or 10 years afterwards. The stench of propaganda hanging in the air...

Battle of the Bulge.

Or that one that Noel Coward (the draft dodging pansy) made about the Navy. I'll look it up.

Edit: "In Which We Serve". Should have shot the fucker instead.
Ha HA.

Yes there are alot of stonkers there are many that i canna remember the name of but its amazing when you look at these shitters and how people died when they were shot and now they die good.

I also love the way they use explosions now back then they sucked.

I have to admit that I consider Apocalypse Now to be one of the vilest movies of all time.

Yeah. That is a pretty bad World War II movie. 'Historically inaccurate' hardly covers it.

Yes, especially since Platoon is set in Vietnam. It missed WW2 completely!

Hmm imagine if this was a thread on Abortion i would have been a one post Troll.

Well for all you guys and gals(?) out there upset about U-571 i also heard there was a movie about an American piolet where they make him out to be some type of hero but he really was a Meat Puppet that probably crashed his own plane more times than he shot down the hun.

Hes not exactly Cobber Cain-God Bless him.