NationStates Jolt Archive

Adam and Eve, had two sons, and three daughters.

Yes, this is from Mencia.

I think there was some passage about Cain and Able finding some other women, but I don't remember how they got there. Maybe it's my immagination.

Anyway, Lot's daughters got him drunk and screwed him. Incest is kinda popular in the bible.

Probably not. Its just considered morally indecent.

Ahh, I knew I had to watch something great tonight.

Anyway, Lot's daughters got him drunk and screwed him. Incest is kinda popular in the bible.

Yes, that makes sense. Destroy Sodom and all of its people for immorality but then let it be ok for Lot's daughters to have sex with their father.

Double standard?

Ahh, I knew I had to watch something great tonight.

Hahaha

Ahh, I knew I had to watch something great tonight.
*banjo twangs in the background*

Not a sin...just...not right.

I mean could you picture having this conversation with your friend.

"Hey dude"
"Yea?"
"I got laid last night"
"By who?"
"My sister dude"
"Nice!"

Well I could... but then id feel very strange. :D

Not a sin...just...not right.

I mean could you picture having this conversation with your friend.

"Hey dude"
"Yea?"
"I got laid last night"
"By who?"
"My sister dude"
"Nice!"
Well I don't have a sister.

I do have an 11 year old brother.

But that just makes three problems.

Meh, so long as it's between two consenting adults, I don't give a damn.

My belief is that the taboo exists from a strong biological imperative to keep the gene pool clean from the possible genetic mutations that can arise if two closely related people reproduced. Other than that, I fail to see any good reason against it. *shrugs*

Well I don't have a sister.

I do have an 11 year old brother.

But that just makes three problems.

HAHAHA

Adam and Eve, had two sons, and three daughters.

Yes, this is from Mencia.

You forgot Lot's daughetes got him drunk and slept with him.

Well I don't have a sister.

I do have an 11 year old brother.

But that just makes three problems.


lmao :D

I'm guessing that it's a slow newsday?

You forgot Lot's daughetes got him drunk and slept with him.
I beat you to it.

Yes, that makes sense. Destroy Sodom and all of its people for immorality but then let it be ok for Lot's daughters to have sex with their father.

Double standard?

No double standard. Sodom was destroyed because of homosexual immorality. What Lot's daughters was hetrosexual. :D

Mmm, I wish I had a hot sister. Oh wait, not supposed to think such things. :headbang: Get out of my head, nasty thoughts.

I beat you to it.

Yes, I should have read further before jumping on the keys. :p

No double standard. Sodom was destroyed because of homosexual immorality. What Lot's daughters was hetrosexual. :D
The guy that the men of Sodom wanted to bang was actually an angel, so is that really homosexuality or is it beastiality because they wanted to screw a non-human?

No.

I don't care what any holy book says, or even know what they do say.

Quite frankly I think incest is given a bad rap. Doesn't mean I'd find it anything but disgusting to get it on with one of my relatives, but I see nothing wrong with it.

Intra-familial (hey, it sounds better than "incestuous", sounds like you're talking about bugs) marriage should be legalized and provided for along with same-sex marriages.

No animals or objects, of course. Neither is able to sign a contract.

Polygamy should be an option, but the existing wife(ves)/husband(s) of the person marrying another one would have to consent as well. I don't think many would choose polygamy anyway.

In fact, "not many" would choose any of these options. It's not as though traditional, monogamous, man-woman marriage would be threatened by allowing them.

Anyway, no, it isn't a sin.

I just think it's kinda funny. let's say if a brother and a sister have a child, he would only have one grandfather and one grandmother as well as one surname, and his mum would be his aunt and his dad would be his uncle, it just sounds weird. i bet it's happened before

You forgot Lot's daughetes got him drunk and slept with him.

Officially, they spiked his water with wine. Now, having noted the strong taste most wines have, I have a hard time believing that Lott didn't willingly participate in that, because in order to 1) get enough alcohol into your system to get pass-out drunk while 2) diluting the wine enough so as not to be able to taste it, he would have had to drink gallons of water, and even excluding the fact that drinking gallons of water will kill a person from salt imbalances, people just don't do that.

It always struck me that he got really lonely and depressed (he did lose his wife and home, after all), got rip-roaring drunk and did the nasty, then when his girls turned up pregnant and his new neighbors started asking questions, his story became "They tricked me!"

No double standard. Sodom was destroyed because of homosexual immorality. What Lot's daughters was hetrosexual.

According to Isaiah, Sodom was destroyed because the people were lazy.

I just think it's kinda funny. let's say if a brother and a sister have a child, he would only have one grandfather and one grandmother as well as one surname, and his mum would be his aunt and his dad would be his uncle, it just sounds weird. i bet it's happened before
Now there's a safe bet.

The guy that the men of Sodom wanted to bang was actually an angel, so is that really homosexuality or is it beastiality because they wanted to screw a non-human?

But is was a male angel so it had to be homobeastiality. :eek:

No.

I don't care what any holy book says, or even know what they do say.

Quite frankly I think incest is given a bad rap. Doesn't mean I'd find it anything but disgusting to get it on with one of my relatives, but I see nothing wrong with it.

Intra-familial (hey, it sounds better than "incestuous", sounds like you're talking about bugs) marriage should be legalized and provided for along with same-sex marriages.

No animals or objects, of course. Neither is able to sign a contract.

Polygamy should be an option, but the existing wife(ves)/husband(s) of the person marrying another one would have to consent as well. I don't think many would choose polygamy anyway.

In fact, "not many" would choose any of these options. It's not as though traditional, monogamous, man-woman marriage would be threatened by allowing them.

Anyway, no, it isn't a sin.
Damn, I wish you were my sister. :D :eek: :D :D

---Dies laughing---

Damn, I wish you were my sister. :D :eek: :D :D

Not a chance, buddy. Straight monogamist non-incestual 15-year-old here.

---Comes back to life to die laughing again---

Not a chance, buddy. Straight monogamist non-incestual 15-year-old here.
Damn, too young and not related enough.

Man in my book.. If a person feels like doing anything he-she should do it.. If you want to marry a dog fine thats your problem, wanna marry your sister hell sure go ahead.. As long as it brings no danger to anybody of course

Man in my book.. If a person feels like doing anything he-she should do it.. If you want to marry a dog fine thats your problem, wanna marry your sister hell sure go ahead.. As long as it brings no danger to anybody of course

If you married your dog and had kids, wouldn't it hurt your children to be half dog?

But is was a male angel so it had to be homobeastiality. :eek:
In random, unrelated news, in some Middle Eastern country it is perfectly ok for a man to have sex with a female animal, but if he does a male animal, he can be executed... Weird.

If you married your dog and had kids, wouldn't it hurt your children to be half dog?

You cant have offsprings from having sex with other animals...

the fact is angel have no sex,so its actually impossible to screw them;
no matter how they look,they r absolutely androginy,so unless the sodomitians had a good black n decker driller,i doubt they had a chance to do something to the angels!

MWHAHA! :D

You cant have offsprings from having sex with other animals...
Well medical science should start working on that problem immediately.

the fact is angel have no sex,so its actually impossible to screw them;
no matter how they look,they r absolutely androginy,so unless the sodomitians had a good black n decker driller,i doubt they had a chance to do something to the angels!

MWHAHA! :D
Now lets think this one through shall we? Sodomites...who are homosexual males...probably would have anal intercourse...and even angels probably have an anus. Gender has nothing to do with that one :p

Not a chance, buddy. Straight monogamist non-incestual 15-year-old here.

Would you be interested in a straight monogamist non incestual 16 year old bloke?

Now lets think this one through shall we? Sodomites...who are homosexual males...probably would have anal intercourse...and even angels probably have an anus. Gender has nothing to do with that one :p
Unless angels don't eat and have no need to excrete waste. But I'm pretty sure the angel in question had a mouth because he spoke to Lot, so they could always force it to perform oral.

I wouldn't consider incest a sin, and the bible seems to support it quite handily, depending on your interpretation of it, but I could never participate in such a thing as it's fairly disgusting (to me) and really screws up a family tree. :p

Man in my book.. If a person feels like doing anything he-she should do it.. If you want to marry a dog fine thats your problem, wanna marry your sister hell sure go ahead.. As long as it brings no danger to anybody of course


Actually, that would cause damage to other people. There is a certain social and ethical order that must be maintained to maintain the structeral and moral integrity of mankind.

Once you allow anyone to do anything as long as it doesn't hurt anyone you will find that society's cohesion will quickly break down.

Of course this will be all laughed off and considered absurd...but I ask you to go ask any school teacher what would happen if their students were allowed to do anything as long as it didn't hurt anyone else directly...

I wouldn't consider incest a sin, and the bible seems to support it quite handily, depending on your interpretation of it, but I could never participate in such a thing as it's fairly disgusting (to me) and really screws up a family tree. :p
If your family tree doesn't branch..... You might be a redneck -Jeff Foxworthy

Actually, that would cause damage to other people. There is a certain social and ethical order that must be maintained to maintain the structeral and moral integrity of mankind.

Once you allow anyone to do anything as long as it doesn't hurt anyone you will find that society's cohesion will quickly break down.

Of course this will be all laughed off and considered absurd...but I ask you to go ask any school teacher what would happen if their students were allowed to do anything as long as it didn't hurt anyone else directly...

School teacher huh.. *throws bottle at Daletha* Its cause of you people i nearly failed!!!!!!!!!!

If your family tree doesn't branch..... You might be a redneck -Jeff Foxworthy
Luckily, that particular one doesn't apply to me. You know which one does?
"If you have a set of matching salad bowls and they all have the words 'Cool Whip' on the side... you might be a redneck." :p

Unless angels don't eat and have no need to excrete waste. But I'm pretty sure the angel in question had a mouth because he spoke to Lot, so they could always force it to perform oral.
How did we get from sinful incest to orally raping an angel?

My mind...the strain...

Unless angels don't eat and have no need to excrete waste. But I'm pretty sure the angel in question had a mouth because he spoke to Lot, so they could always force it to perform oral.

Actually, that whole passage is demonstrative of culture. At the time, it was common for various city states to harass those who were from rival or enemy states; rape was the most common method both male and female. This contradicted with the Jewish hospitality commandments and was therefore highly offensive to the Jews; if God exists one can assume that their destruction was due specifically to that action, and if he doesn't it can be assumed that the Jews assigned an unrelated natural disaster to God to justify the immorality of the custom.

In recognition of why this forum was originally created, I would like to bring attention to the ancient king Mausolus who married his sister in the 4th cent. B.C. She unfortunately died before him, so he erected one of the seven wonders of the ancient world in memory of her.

*Is still laughing*

Actually, there's a scientific reason for incest not to be done: It increases the chance of genetic problems. Contraception solves it though, so it's not that big a deal. Either ways, good thing I'm an only child, I doubt it would be fun to live in the same house as your sister if she cheated on you. :)

How did we get from sinful incest to orally raping an angel?

My mind...the strain...
On a forum with as many characters as this one? It's a pretty natural progression here.

regardless of wether or not it is sinful - we can see two facts from it, and one opinion, that i think most everyone will, or should agree with me upon.
between brothers and sisters...
1 - it's a good way to have a child with birth defects
2 - it has been practiced in the past.
3 - it's fuggin' disgusting.

On a forum with as many characters as this one? It's a pretty natural progression here.

I'm surprised it stopped a sodomizing angels...

regardless of wether or not it is sinful - we can see two facts from it, and one opinion, that i think most everyone will, or should agree with me upon.
between brothers and sisters...
1 - it's a good way to have a child with birth defects
2 - it has been practiced in the past.
3 - it's fuggin' disgusting.

1. Yep
2. Yep
3. Yep

I'm surprised it stopped a sodomizing angels...
Well the thread's still rolling along. Who knows when space alien rape will be mentioned?

"If you have a set of matching salad bowls and they all have the words 'Cool Whip' on the side... you might be a redneck." :p
Can't say I have any with "Cool whip" on the side, however I do have the "I can't believe it's not butter" collection

I'm surprised it stopped a sodomizing angels...
Not the rabbits!

Well the thread's still rolling along. Who knows when space alien rape will be mentioned?
When someone mentions porn, which in turn mentions tentacle, which is linked with alien. Ah ha, I've discovered the plot lines!

How do you define a sin? I think it's a safe bet that all the major religions consider it a bad thing to do.

I'm pretty shocked by the number of people sticking up for incest on here actually. It's disgusting!!

regardless of wether or not it is sinful - we can see two facts from it, and one opinion, that i think most everyone will, or should agree with me upon.
between brothers and sisters...
1 - it's a good way to have a child with birth defects
2 - it has been practiced in the past.
3 - it's fuggin' disgusting.

1.yes
2.So? alot of stuff has been practiced in the past.. dosent really mean anything
3.To you yes.. But im preety sure alot of people have different opinions

Well the thread's still rolling along. Who knows when space alien rape will be mentioned?

Sometime around post #53.

Well the thread's still rolling along. Who knows when space alien rape will be mentioned?
You mean the aliens raping the humans or vice versa?

I am instantly reminded of the "Destory All Humans!" anal probe and the feature in The Sims 2 which allows a male Sim to be abducted by aliens and come back pregnant. :eek:

Allright... not going in any particular order here:

the fact is angel have no sex,so its actually impossible to screw them;
no matter how they look,they r absolutely androginy,so unless the sodomitians had a good black n decker driller,i doubt they had a chance to do something to the angels!

MWHAHA! :D


1. Where is it a fact that Angels are gender neutral?

Now lets think this one through shall we? Sodomites...who are homosexual males...probably would have anal intercourse...and even angels probably have an anus. Gender has nothing to do with that one :p

2. While Sodomites were noted for having homosexual relationships, you wouldn't have one of the most powerful city-states of the region having homosexual relations alone, else there would be no new little Sodomites.

My belief is that the taboo exists from a strong biological imperative to keep the gene pool clean from the possible genetic mutations that can arise if two closely related people reproduced. Other than that, I fail to see any good reason against it. *shrugs*

3. I realize this is nit picking, but mutation is not created simply from the act of incest. Mutation can as regularly with normal non related parents as with related ones. What the Lord-General might be thinking of is inbred traits that come from genes that are so recessive that they are very rarely found outside of families that allow the gene to be passed on from both sides.

4. Its hardly a sin... fairly dirty though. But thats just what would make it fun. ;)

5. I realize its hard to work up "what is sin" without consulting the bible for precidents, but most of those stories from the realy early old testimate have to be taken with grains of salt.

How do you define a sin? I think it's a safe bet that all the major religions consider it a bad thing to do.

I'm pretty shocked by the number of people sticking up for incest on here actually. It's disgusting!!
Well, it is only an opinion, albeit a popular one, that incest is disgusting. Just because the vast majority believes in something doesn't mean it's true.

Well, it is only an opinion, albeit a popular one, that incest is disgusting. Just because the vast majority believes in something doesn't mean it's true.

We're not talking about a matter of fact that can be true or not true though. This is all about opinion. There's no empirical measure of whether something is sinful or not!

Not a chance, buddy. Straight monogamist non-incestual 15-year-old here.

Are you Single?

cause you got a Streight Monogamist Non-incestual 17 year old right here


Either ways, good thing I'm an only child

There's still the option of your cousins lmfao :fluffle:


anyways, personally I find it disgusting

but if you keep it private it's none of my buisness

We're not talking about a matter of fact that can be true or not true though. This is all about opinion. There's no empirical measure of whether something is sinful or not!
Okay. I was simply explaining why some people, including myself, would defend incest.

We're not talking about a matter of fact that can be true or not true though. This is all about opinion. There's no empirical measure of whether something is sinful or not!
Well there is an empirical measure of what certain religions consider sinfull. Some have lists like the ten commandments.

1. Where is it a fact that Angels are gender neutral?

Indeed, Kaworu Nagisa seemed male to me.

Are you Single?

cause you got a Streight Monogamist Non-incestual 17 year old right here

Tried that. Still no response as of yet.

How sad are we that we have to chat up random girls on a forum?

There's still the option of your cousins lmfao :fluffle:

I think most of us have "funny feelings" (J.D from Scrubs) for a cousin.

VERY OT.

I have a sig again! It's still a work in progress, but please feel free to click the links in it.

Hitting on someone across the country that could probably end up being an evil rapists that just wants to meet you and kill you... Gotta love the internet :)

the fact is angel have no sex,so its actually impossible to screw them;
no matter how they look,they r absolutely androginy,so unless the sodomitians had a good black n decker driller,i doubt they had a chance to do something to the angels!

MWHAHA! :D
im pretty sure that there is a section of the bible, right there in genesis where lot and his daughters "continued his line" where angels and people mated and had children. its not one of the more popular parts as it makes no sense.

Hitting on someone across the country that could probably end up being an evil rapists that just wants to meet you and kill you... Gotta love the internet :)

Why do you think I have a small, sharp axe?

Incest was onlt popluar in the bible because we did not dominate the planet like we have for for 1000 years, it wasn't a choice back then, it was to expand and grow(at that point there were few Humans on the planet) come to think about it(we're all having incest) seeing that all of our roots date back to Adam and Eve.

When it's the only option for populating the planet, apparently God lets it slide.

Incest was onlt popluar in the bible because we did not dominate the planet like we have for for 1000 years, it wasn't a choice back then, it was to expand and grow(at that point there were few Humans on the planet) come to think about it(we're all having incest) seeing that all of our roots date back to Adam and Eve.

Provided you belive in Genesis.

Yes, that makes sense. Destroy Sodom and all of its people for immorality but then let it be ok for Lot's daughters to have sex with their father.

Double standard?



There are many things the Bible records but doesn't approve of :)

If you're referring to me, I was only Joking

cause I know I aint ever gonna get a girl, escpecially online

3. I realize this is nit picking, but mutation is not created simply from the act of incest. Mutation can as regularly with normal non related parents as with related ones. What the Lord-General might be thinking of is inbred traits that come from genes that are so recessive that they are very rarely found outside of families that allow the gene to be passed on from both sides.

Oh, I know..I said can. I suppose I should've emphasized that then.

There are many things the Bible record but doesn't approve of :)

Yeah. And all those contradictions.
Bible is history huh?

If you're referring to me, I was only Joking

cause I know I aint ever gonna get a girl, escpecially online

Same here.

I'm assuming you've at least kissed a girl.

Having lain with both Mom and Sis, I can say one thing about it:

The culture defines the disgust. There was nothing disgusting about what I did with the two female members of my family. My sister and I were experimenting as children and it carried on a bit into adulthood. My mother and I, though not in love, thought it would be best if it were tried to bring us closer together. I was the one who brought it up in all cases.

Now, as for the genetics, the first coupling between immediate family is no more dangerous than two strangers. However, a second generation mixed coupling creates the real danger. Each one after that generation increases teh chance exponeentially.

Yeah. And all those contradictions.
Bible is history huh?


Name a contradiction please :) (Only one, I don't want to spend all night working on an entire list of supposed "contradictions" :rolleyes:)

I'm assuming you've at least kissed a girl.


Nope not even close

never dated either

Having lain with both Mom and Sis

At the same time?

I can't imagine the awkwardness of breakfast time.

Name a contradiction please :) (Only one, I don't want to spend all night working on an entire list of supposed "contradictions" :rolleyes:)

Thou shalt not kill vs. Rest of Old Testament.

Nope not even close

never dated either

Dude, your preaching to the choir.

You cant have offsprings from having sex with other animals...

:eek: You can't? :confused: :D

Name a contradiction please :) (Only one, I don't want to spend all night working on an entire list of supposed "contradictions" :rolleyes:)
Oh, NR, I love you so much. You allow me to release all my negative energy towards the very extremists who surround me by debating you. I'm not going to do so on this thread... you are free of my criticism this time. I have no doubt that it will be easy for the nonChristians to find one of the thousands or possibly millions of contradictions in your beloved bible. Kiss, kiss! :fluffle:

How did we get from sinful incest to orally raping an angel?

My mind...the strain...

This is Nation States remember? This is what anarchy is like.

"Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother..." - Deuteronomy 27:22

"And if a man shall take his sister, his father's daughter, or his mother's daughter...it is a wicked thing..." - Leviticus 20:17

The answers can be found in the World's Best Seller!

How do you define a sin? I think it's a safe bet that all the major religions consider it a bad thing to do.

I'm pretty shocked by the number of people sticking up for incest on here actually. It's disgusting!!

Ancient Egypt.

At the same time?

I can't imagine the awkwardness of breakfast time.



Thou shalt not kill vs. Rest of Old Testament.



It reads thou shalt not murder, which makes a grand difference...and God is not human and, therefore, is not subject to the laws He creates. Next!

"Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother..." - Deuteronomy 27:22

"And if a man shall take his sister, his father's daughter, or his mother's daughter...it is a wicked thing..." - Leviticus 20:17

The answers can be found in the World's Best Seller!
Yes, but your "god" blessed an incestuous union in Genesis 17:16.

Yes, but god has blessed an incestuous union in Genesis 17:16.



Laws are not retroactive. In addition, half-sister =/= full sister.

It reads thou shalt not murder, which makes a grand difference...and God is not human and, therefore, is not subject to the laws He creates. Next!

First off, I was close, wasn't I?

Second off, are you saying that God contradicts his own laws?

I personaly believe that incest is wrong on way to many levels. I can't see it as anything but a sort of wierd perversion

Laws are not retroactive. In addition, half-sister =/= full sister.
They were still family. It was still incest. Are you saying you would support someone having a sexual relationship with their half-brother or half-sister? Are you saying that's any better than one with a full-blood brother or sister?

First off, I was close, wasn't I?

Second off, are you saying that God contradicts his own laws?



God's laws are esoteric in their application, as they are only to be followed by humans.

They are still family.



Even so, refer to my first point.

God's laws are esoteric in their application, as they are only to be followed by humans.

Okay then, what about Paul?

He said that we were all equal under Jesus, yet he told the women they should not speak in church.

I'll try to find the passages.

Okay then, what about Paul?

He said that we were all equal under Jesus, yet he told the women they should not speak in church.

I'll try to find the passages.

Found the passages:

Galatians 3:26-28

vs.

Corinthians 7: 1-9

In recognition of why this forum was originally created, I would like to bring attention to the ancient king Mausolus who married his sister in the 4th cent. B.C. She unfortunately died before him, so he erected one of the seven wonders of the ancient world in memory of her.


is that an example of necrophilia? :D

(is there a better way to mark the 100th post of a horribly wrong discussion...)

Psst... Noblemen, you could use this handy list: http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.c...ra/by_name.html

Thanks, it'll come in handy.

Thanks, it'll come in handy.
Quick, delete the link in the quote... it has to be a secret! :p

Quick, delete the link in the quote... it has to be a secret! :p

It's okay, the link doesn't work.

Now, I've an uncle who married his own cousin, which therefore makes one of my aunts my second-cousin as well (I think, if I've worked it out right). That's really rather disturbing, and in addition it means that I've two slightly inbred cousins.

But that marriage collapsed last year, they're now divorced, and the aunt is marrying another chap this summer. I don't know if I'm more outraged that they married within the family, that they divorced, or that she's planning to remarry whilst he's still alive.

It's okay, the link doesn't work.
Yeah, but they can still go to the main domain... *panics*

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/tools/cains_wife.asp

This is a link to a Christian website concerning this issue.

Although in todays culture it might be considered wrong...and even further it is Biblically wrong after the Law...it does not mean that back in the beginning it was that way.


Furthermore, I would like to point out that having more than one wife use to be acceptable. Look at the Patriarchs. You never see a condemnation of them for having more than one wife.

Later, however, Jesus and the Apostles said "one wife". Of course with Christ also came equality between men and women which means it was also "one husband" too...anyway... Just thought some might find this information useful.

Hmmm grains of Lot's wife... tasty

Provided you belive in Genesis.

You actually don't need to believe Genesis for that to apply. Even if you believe in evolution, only an incredibly small number in a very localized region would have mutated into Homo sapiens and they very quickly would not have been able to mate successfully with the less evolved members of the human family, so we really have to stem from a very small number, likely not even in the double digits, so, technically, whether you believe Genesis or not, everyone will have committed 'incest' at some point in their lifetime (provided they're not a virgin).

Here's a scenario:

You meet a woman. You hit it off immediately, and you soon start dating. Before long, you're both having passionate sex, and your in love.
Then...as if this is a shock
...it turns out she's your sister, who you never knew existed.

If you knew someone in this scenario, would your feelings be any different?

If you were in this scenario, what would you do?

You actually don't need to believe Genesis for that to apply. Even if you believe in evolution, only an incredibly small number in a very localized region would have mutated into Homo sapiens and they very quickly would not have been able to mate successfully with the less evolved members of the human family, so we really have to stem from a very small number, likely not even in the double digits, so, technically, whether you believe Genesis or not, everyone will have committed 'incest' at some point in their lifetime (provided they're not a virgin).

Very valid, indeed.

And I actually am a virgin, FYI.

:fluffle: <--- with same sex no

Very valid, indeed.

And I actually am a virgin, FYI.

I am too, actually. I've decided to abstain until marriage (I'm Roman Catholic).

:fluffle: <--- with same sex no
That wasn't the question, troll.

I am too, actually. I've decided to abstain until marriage (I'm Roman Catholic).

Me, I just can't get a girl.

Me, I just can't get a girl.

My condolences.

I am too, actually. I've decided to abstain until marriage (I'm Roman Catholic).

Good for you

My condolences.

Thank you.

Me, I just can't get a girl.

Just shows you need a woman ;)

Just shows you need a woman ;)

Huh?!?

The vaugeness of the sentence is annoying.

Me, I just can't get a girl.
So try guys. :p

Huh?!?

The vaugeness of the sentence is annoying.
He, like I, was trying for a not-so-high quality joke: the word "girl" implies youth, the word "woman" implies maturity.

He, like I, was trying for a not-so-high quality joke: the word "girl" implies youth, the word "woman" implies maturity.

Oh, I see.

Don't do it again, it's a shite joke.

And I will not try men.

He, like I, was trying for a not-so-high quality joke: the word "girl" implies youth, the word "woman" implies maturity.

exactermundo no offence meant my friend :)

Oh, I see.

Don't do it again, it's a shite joke.

And I will not try men.
Oh, c'mon, you might like it. :p

Oh, c'mon, you might like it. :p

And you might like sticking your tongue in a moving blender.

Ah, well, I've had fun chatting but I've got to go now.

And you might like sticking your tongue in a moving blender.

Charming

Saw this topic...

What. The. Fuck.

Anyone here who says incest isn't gross needs to be castrated or otherwise sterilized.

Saw this topic...

What. The. Fuck.

Anyone here who says incest isn't gross needs to be castrated or otherwise sterilized.

Not unless you got a beautiful sister like me. :)

J/k j/k.

But Incest is bad bad. For the reason that being so genetically close would cause all sorts of defects especially for the incest and incestee's children. :D

Okay then, what about Paul?

He said that we were all equal under Jesus, yet he told the women they should not speak in church.

I'll try to find the passages.



We are all equal in value under Christ. The genders have different restrictions placed upon them, however, in spirit, all are equal before God.

Yeah, but they can still go to the main domain... *panics*



I've known about the Skeptic's Annotated Bible for a while :D

Oh! Another thing I forgot to include in the NT's take on incest:


1 Corinthians 5:1 1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named[a] among the Gentiles--that a man has his father's wife!

I think Incest only became a sin after the levitical laws.. But I have to check on that.

Before that, Adam and Eve's children practically had a fun time with each other. But I guess they we're still genetically very pure.

*smirk*

After people suggested homosexuality is not a sin, it was just time passing before other people suggested that incest was not a sin. When is it going to be bestiality, huh?

Not unless you got a beautiful sister like me. :)

J/k j/k.

But Incest is bad bad. For the reason that being so genetically close would cause all sorts of defects especially for the incest and incestee's children. :D


Actually, the genetic mutations resulting from incest are still incredibly rare, as it only amounts to .02% (I think... it might possibly be .2%, I'll have to check). This is not a significant difference from no-incest mutation. It would take several generations of repeated incest before any significant increase in the risk of genetic problems would arise. Furthermore, incest has nothing to do with genetic mutation, it would only apply to rare genetic diseases, such as cystic fibrosis or sickle cell anemia. And, I know it may sound like I'm rambling here, but these are already more likely in some places because ethnicities tend not to inter-marry. For example, cystic fibrosis is more common in whites, and sickle cell anemia is more common in blacks. Well, I'll shut up now, before I bore you all.

By the way, I'm not condoning incest. It disgusts me, but I just want to make sure everyone has the right facts (in the interest of fairness and all).

Actually, the genetic mutations resulting from incest are still incredibly rare, as it only amounts to .02% (I think... it might possibly be .2%, I'll have to check). This is not a significant difference from no-incest mutation. It would take several generations of repeated incest before any significant increase in the risk of genetic problems would arise. Furthermore, incest has nothing to do with genetic mutation, it would only apply to rare genetic diseases, such as cystic fibrosis or sickle cell anemia. And, I know it may sound like I'm rambling here, but these are already more likely in some places because ethnicities tend not to inter-marry. For example, cystic fibrosis is more common in whites, and sickle cell anemia is more common in blacks. Well, I'll shut up now, before I bore you all.

Is it? Or is that just a theory? Is there any research on this?

Because what I was taught all along culturally, is that if you marry your sister/mother/cousin, your kids will become stupid or retarded.:) (not mutation, but I guess the kids don't come out so well). Read somewhere sometime ago that mixed kids statistically do better than average.

So your not supposed to marry close relations (at least a generation apart). Or thats what the Chinese practice regularly. (Or what my custom practice).

Of course its a sin!
They arent married! :D

A small story for you all.....

I was in a pub one time with a female friend of mine and there was a highly vocal bloke in there saying how DISGUSTING incest was and my friend and I decided to have fun with him, so we were all cuddly and affectioante and saying how its so good mum and dad are out so we can be alone and at first he was all mouthy and saying how awful we were, but then we started talking a bit dirty to eachother saying what we were going to do to eachother when we got home within his earshot.... and his attitude COMPLETELY changed and started asking us questions about when did we discover we fancied eachother and whats it like.....

How attitudes change when a bit of sexiness is added to the convo !!

Dirty buggar! :D

But is was a male angel so it had to be homobeastiality. :eek:

I realize you were just going for a quick joke, and I respect that. But I feel the need to point out that, according to Jesus, angels are genderless. No, I'm not basing that on Kevin Smith's Dogma. There is an exchange in the Bible (I suck at recalling verses, sorry) in which one of the Saducees attempts to trip Jesus up about the existence of an afterlife by asking him if a widow remarries, and then she and her new husband die, who is she married to in the afterlife? Jesus then replies that in the afterlife we are like the angels, we have no gender and no spouses. We all become united with God and, through him, eachother.

So wanting to have sex with an angel is not homosexual, unless you are also an angel.

Actually, the genetic mutations resulting from incest are still incredibly rare, as it only amounts to .02% (I think... it might possibly be .2%, I'll have to check). This is not a significant difference from no-incest mutation. It would take several generations of repeated incest before any significant increase in the risk of genetic problems would arise. Furthermore, incest has nothing to do with genetic mutation, it would only apply to rare genetic diseases, such as cystic fibrosis or sickle cell anemia. And, I know it may sound like I'm rambling here, but these are already more likely in some places because ethnicities tend not to inter-marry. For example, cystic fibrosis is more common in whites, and sickle cell anemia is more common in blacks. Well, I'll shut up now, before I bore you all.

Well, that's true (the science bit, not the last sentence), but that's not the drawback of incest. When genetically divergent members of a species mate they increase the diversity in the species. While each generation is significantly different from its parents, diseases are also mutating to be able to effect them (single strain viruses and bacteria like influenza are genetically unstable enough to evolve by mutation, unlike more complicated pathogens like measles and polio).

If brothers and sisters mate to the exclusion of more unfamiliar potential mates then the evolution will outstrip the genetic variation of each generation of host organism. In other words, animals become pathogen food. Similar problems arise in asexually reproducing animals. If they exist in any complexity, they are limited to regions bereft of pathogens and parasites.

This has led to an evolutionary sexual revulsion to people who look like oneself. It's probably why "exotic" is such a sexually charged compliment. Some part of your hindbrain is saying "wow, that person is nothing like you, you gotta hit that." Yes. Hindbrains talk in outdated hip-hop slang. They're very slow to evolve. ;)

There is, however, a point of diminished returns. Burmese tigers and Siberian tigers are the most genetically divergent tigers you could hope to find, but they are specialized to different environments. If you mate the two you end up with an animal that is poorly adapted to both environments and not particularly resistant to the ailments of either parent. Similar problems have resulted from failed lion breeding programs that mated lions of different pedigrees.

The BBC website has news stories about both of the last two paragraphs. I tried to find a link for the lion one, but only found stories about a rugby team.
Trust not lust. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/4372651.stm)

Yes, that makes sense. Destroy Sodom and all of its people for immorality but then let it be ok for Lot's daughters to have sex with their father.

Double standard?

No.... for fucks sake. If you took the time to read the bible you would have seen where his daughters got him drunk, banged him, then god cursed them and their offsprings for eternity for the sin of incest. GAH!

Yah, Incest is not a sin but it is nasty as hell. Can you imagin a family barbeque

Woman: Hi Bro
Man: How many times do I have to tell you, It's Babe or something else that doesn't suggest that we love each other.
Woman: For Fucks sake, Half the kids here are ours! One looks like a miniature version of you.

Am I right?


Originally Posted by The Noble Men
Me, I just can't get a girl.

Can never win, can we blokes?

Here's an interesting little item concerning the problems caused by unusual family and romantic situations.

www.wwco.com/gean/grandpa

teehee, thats very clever but its only because of they're legally related not by blood that it happened. I don't think incest is a sin but it seems like a pretty disgusting idea to me...we're supposed to widen the gene pool - isn't that the 'justification' for people having affairs? Men stick around long enough to ensure their baby will survive then go get someone else pregnent to ensure their genes carry on and women wait until their baby is old enough not to need constant care and then seek out other men to widen the gene pool.

Is incest a sin?

Well, sin is relative, sin is directly tied to a belief in some invisible incompetent father figure who hangs out on clouds. So sin is irrelevant.

As for incest itself, I think it's wrong because of physiological reasons, babies with 9 heads ect..lol

Also not to mention the creepy factor.

Actually, the genetic mutations resulting from incest are still incredibly rare, as it only amounts to .02% (I think... it might possibly be .2%, I'll have to check). This is not a significant difference from no-incest mutation. It would take several generations of repeated incest before any significant increase in the risk of genetic problems would arise. Furthermore, incest has nothing to do with genetic mutation, it would only apply to rare genetic diseases, such as cystic fibrosis or sickle cell anemia. And, I know it may sound like I'm rambling here, but these are already more likely in some places because ethnicities tend not to inter-marry. For example, cystic fibrosis is more common in whites, and sickle cell anemia is more common in blacks. Well, I'll shut up now, before I bore you all.

The most accurate answer on here. Keep it up Myrcia.

As for me: Personally, I don't care one way or the other. It isn't for me to decide how one should go through life! If siblings or any other family members want to be together. Fine. As long as its private, I don't care.

Oh hell... Your condolecing Noble Men for not having a girlfriend, heck youll have to condolence half the world including me... ANYWAY

The fact that you guys think incest is so sick is because its been taught to you that way. Your whole beliefs are preety much taught to you as a kid, and repeated over and over and over. This is also why teenagers in america get all shocked when you tell them and try to teach them that communism isint evil.. So preety much everything you know and think is just what your parents or goverment and especially the bible tells you to think...

If you married your dog and had kids, wouldn't it hurt your children to be half dog?

EH, never seemed to bother Inuyasha. :D

EH, never seemed to bother Inuyasha. :D

Inuashas a Demon+dog+human=badass looking anime character

Is it? Or is that just a theory? Is there any research on this?

Because what I was taught all along culturally, is that if you marry your sister/mother/cousin, your kids will become stupid or retarded.:) (not mutation, but I guess the kids don't come out so well). Read somewhere sometime ago that mixed kids statistically do better than average.

So your not supposed to marry close relations (at least a generation apart). Or thats what the Chinese practice regularly. (Or what my custom practice).

Well, I can't seem to locate the source of those percentages, so you can disregard those... I'll keep looking for them though. The stupidity/retardedness you mention usually results (at least on the literal "retarded" end) from genetic disease. Genetically, mating with a close relative increases the chances of that being passed on, but you could have the same level of risk if you mate with someone from a different continent that has a remotely similar family history. And besides that, not all of these defects necessarily have to be caused by incest. For example, if a woman is over age 35 and has a child, that child is at a greatly increased risk of having Down syndrome. So the results typically associated with incest may not even be because of the incestual relationship. Although the child would probably be scarred by his fellow children because of his parents' relationship...

Well, that's true (the science bit, not the last sentence), but that's not the drawback of incest. When genetically divergent members of a species mate they increase the diversity in the species.

If brothers and sisters mate to the exclusion of more unfamiliar potential mates then the evolution will outstrip the genetic variation of each generation of host organism. In other words, animals become pathogen food. Similar problems arise in asexually reproducing animals. If they exist in any complexity, they are limited to regions bereft of pathogens and parasites.

This has led to an evolutionary sexual revulsion to people who look like oneself. It's probably why "exotic" is such a sexually charged compliment.

There is, however, a point of diminished returns. Burmese tigers and Siberian tigers are the most genetically divergent tigers you could hope to find, but they are specialized to different environments. If you mate the two you end up with an animal that is poorly adapted to both environments and not particularly resistant to the ailments of either parent. Similar problems have resulted from failed lion breeding programs that mated lions of different pedigrees.

Yes, you're absolutely right, and the increased diversity is why all the dominant, or advanced organisms on the planet utilize sexual reproduction. I think the (relatively small) threat of having children with genetic problems is being used to support the idea that incest is bad for the species (which it is), even though it's not really why incest causes problems.

The most accurate answer on here. Keep it up Myrcia.

Thank you, I do what I can.